HomeMy WebLinkAboutCorrespondenceJAMES J. NELSON
CHARLES D. FRANKENBERGER
JAMES E. SHINAVER
LAWRENCE J. KEMPER
JOI-IN B. FLATT
FREDRIC LAWRENCE
JAMES A. NICKLOY
CHRISTOPHER A. FERGUSON
Christine Barton Holmes
City of Carmel
One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
Enclosures
Ltr to C Holmes 041510
NELSON FRANKENBERGER
A PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION
ATTORNEYS AT LAW
3105 EAST 98TH STREET, SUITE 170
INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA 46280
PHONE: 317- 844 -0106
FACSIMILE: 317- 846 -8782
April 15, 2010
Re: Long Branch Market Michigan Road Kroger
Dear Christine:
Enclosed you will find 9 copies of the informational brochure for the above referenced
item to be heard by the Plan Commission on April 26, 2010. Also attached is a CD with a digital
.pdf of the entire brochure.
Should you have any questions regarding this, please do not hesitate to call.
Very truly yours,
NELSON FRANKENBERGER, P.C.
Jon C. Dobosiewicz
Land Use Professional
JANE B. MERRILL,
Of Counsel
JON C. DOBOSIEWICZ,
Land Use Professional
March 12, 2010
Carmel Plan Commission
Re: Kroger Petition Docket No. 09100009
Please let this letter serve to document that Property Advocacy Group on behalf of our clients,
Fred and Suzanne Fehsenfeld with principal residence located at 4415 W. 116 Street, support
the Kroger petition for Development Plan and ADLS Approval subject to the most recent set of
commitments provided to the Carmel Plan Commission.
Sincerely,
Steve A. Pittman
President
Property
Advocacy
Grou
12400 N. Meridian Street, Suite 190
Carmel, Indiana 46032
(317) 573 -6692
Tingley, Connie S
From: SHARLETTE MORDOH [smordoh @sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:05 AM
To: Idierkman @carmel.in.gov; Dutcher, Dan; Dorman, Jay; Grabow, Bradford S; Irizarrym Heather M;
Rider, Kevin D; Tingley, Connie S; rripma @carmel.in.gov; Schleif, Carol; Stromquist, Steven R;
Torres, Madeleine; Westermeier, Susan; Hancock, Ramona B; Hollibaugh, Mike P
Subject: Zoning for Kroger on North Michigan Road Docket 09100009
I am a resident in the Townes of Weston Pointe that will be adjacent to the new Kroger store being
developed on the land currently occupied by Altums.
Since my residence is so close to the property, I have been following the zoning issues that are
being proposed. I am against several and here is a list:
1. The full exemption from the requirement that no more than 75% will be retail. Having 100%
will violate the current requirements that would help transition from retail use for the existing
neighbors.
2. The outlot and gas station being allowed less that 120 feet from Michigan Road.
3. Signage variances for height, number of signs, total square footages allowed, signs not facing a
right of way and the electronic signs for the gas station.
4. Drive -thrus that are planned for front and side of the buildings.
All of these variances are objectionable and my choice for making Carmel my home was because of
all of Carmel's high standards.
Thank you in advance for you attention to this matter.
Sharlette Mordoh
4035 Weston Pointe Drive
Zionsville, IN 46077
317 873 5251
smordoh @sbcglobal. net
1/25/2010
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Tingley, Connie S
From: Hancock, Ramona B
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:11 AM
To: Tingley, Connie S
Cc: Conn, Angelina V
Subject: FW: Proposed Kroger in West Carmel
Attachments: Plan Commission and Board of Zoning Appeals.doc
FYI
From: mpi98mcgil @aol.com [mailto:mpi98mcgil @aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:41 AM
To: Hancock, Ramona B; Hollibaugh, Mike P; Dierckman, Leo J; Dutcher, Dan; Dorman, Jay; Grabow, Bradford
S; Irizarrym Heather M; Rider, Kevin D; rripma @carmel.in.gov; Schleif, Carol; Stromquist, Steven R; Torres,
Madeleine; Westermeier, Susan
Subject: Proposed Kroger in West Carmel
Please see the attached regarding our opposition to the proposed Kroger along Michigan Road between 106th
and 116th Streets.
Gia and David McGill
4105 Much Marcie Drive
Zionsville, IN 46077
317 431 -8630
1/20/2010
Ramona Hancock
Administrative Assistant
Plan Commission
One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
January 19, 2010
Dear Members of the Plan Commission and Board of Zoning Appeals:
We are deeply concerned about the proposed Kroger along Michigan Road between 106
Street and 116 Street in West Carmel. We live in the townhomes at 4105 Much Marcle
Drive, just south of the proposed development less than 100 feet from the proposed south
line. You have heard or will be hearing from several of our neighbors and we felt our
voice should be heard as well.
Our family includes 5 year old twin boys and they are the major reason for our concern.
Our children go to bed at 8:OOpm daily and awaken at 6:45am for school. So we are very
much opposed to truck deliveries, trash pick -up, construction noise pollution, large -scale
HVAC systems, drive -thru pharmacy, Recycling Drop -off, barking dogs at the proposed
Kennel, etc due to the immense level of noise these things present during times when
children are sleeping. It is a major concern.
Another point of concern is the proposed sidewalk into our neighborhood from the
Kroger site. There has been a significant rise in the number of burglaries and robberies at
the businesses around this corridor. A sidewalk would offer an "escape route" to
someone running either from a business into the neighborhood or from the neighborhood
into the parking lot. It is a major safety concern.
The neighbors and residents of this area really need to be heard. There are many negative
issues involved in this project the way it is proposed now. Can we take another look at
this and find common ground between the people and the Kroger so that this could be a
mutually beneficial situation.
Thank you for your time.
Gia and David McGill
4105 Much Marcle Dr
Zionsville, IN 46077
317 432 -5114
Tingley, Connie S
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From: Dale Ankrom [dea @deainc.us]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:44 AM
To: Dierckman, Leo J; nkestner @carmel.in.gov; Dorman, Jay; Grabow, Bradford S; Irizarrym Heather
M; Rider, Kevin D; rripma @carmel.in.gov; jhagan @carmel.in.gov; Stromquist, Steven R;
mtorres @carmel.gov; Westermeier, Susan
Cc: ctingley @carmee.in.gov; Tingley, Connie S
Subject: Docket No. 09100009 DP /ADLS: Long Branch Market w/ Kroger
To All:
My wife Susie and our family live in the Woodhaven neighborhood and are extremely concerned
with the proposed development and the upcoming zoning process.
We believe the Plan Commission should, at the very least, uphold the standards of the Michigan
Road Overlay Zone and refuse to dissolve the restrictions otherwise.
In addition to being a neighbor in the immediately affected community, I am a commercial
architect and real estate developer and have been involved in many developments such as this for
over 30 years and have numerous concerns.
1. The Mich. Rd. Overlay Zone. I realize typically commitments can always be modified or changed,
however, it should be binding (The existing in-
place standards) and should be upheld in good faith. I would certainly hope, our
neighborhood should have been protected from uncontrolled
development growth, affecting our quality of life.
2. Have you truly analyzed the Overlay Zone documents and developer's requests, that addresses
traffic, parking, etc, as well as typical
developmental standards? We are very concerned about the impending potential disasters with
increased traffic, the Woodhaven residents'
other neighborhoods and importantly, emergency vehicles' ability to make a left /south turn onto
421.
I'm sure there will be well over 300 500 parking spaces required and the typical turn -over ratio
is based upon every two hours on an eight to
10 hr. day. This means potentially well over 3,000 vehicles per day could use the lot, entries,
etc. to the property. Our neighbor, Tom
Rushworth, identified that it may take a couple of fatalities to get someone's attention to do
something. We want to be "on- record" as
identifying this likely problem now.
3. Our neighborhood is home to some professional community- minded people who regularly make
a positive difference for our local communities
and our state. I would hope our show of unity would have some influence. We are also not
opposed to signing a letter drafted to be sent to
anyone on the BZA, Plan Commission, Carmel City (Mayor included) and even Gov. Daniels as it
may relate to a state road and the likely
potential hazards that will be created.
4. It sounds as if the process has progressed to the point where we have only a little chance to halt
it and only a small voice in the ultimate
developmental outcome. We certainly did not realize this potential development nighmare when
we chose to live in the neighborhood. If this is
to pass and become reality, we also want very many restrictions (lighting, noise, visual,
traffic etc.) placed as possible to maintain our quality
of life. We want, and would desire from zoning leaders such as you, to control: Percentage of
retail; No gas stations; Limited or no Drive
Thru's; Very stringent lighting controls; Adequate screening/ fencing controls; Stringent sign
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controls and some solution to the impending
traffic debacle that will be created, endangering citizens and emergency vehicles in the
immediate area.
I/ we are out of town and will not be able to attend the meetings, however, be assured, we are
extremely concerned about your positions and the outcome regarding quality of life and
development growth for the sake of local revenue. How would you feel if this was in your back yard
and neighborhood? We are part of your community. Please stand up for our rights.
Dale and Susie Ankrom
DEA, Inc. Architecture
Westgate Crane Development Co., LLC
317 513 -8584 cell
317 -257 -1880 office
Tingley, Connie S
From: Chris Koch [chkoch99 @hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:37 PM
To: Tingley, Connie S
Subject: RE: Opposition to the Long Branch Market Variance Requests
Ms. Tingley:
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As I received a little more informtion and insight about the other requested variances I wanted to
also voice my concern on one more. If it is not too late, can you please share this additional
concern with the BZA members as well:
I am also opposed to the variance request from the "maximum allowed setback from the US 421
right of way For a similar reason that I am opposed to the 75% retail restriction, I believe is is
important to maintain a "friendly" transition to the existing residential areas neighboring that
property and by keeping the intense commercial development as close to Michigan Road as
possible.
I cite the development project just south of the proposed Long Branch Market as an example. The
commercial strip mall that includes Stone Creek restaurant has the condos behind the commercial
development as a transition to make better neighbors for the Weston's to the east of the
development. The Long Branch Market proposal does not call for any such transition or buffer to
any of the residential neighbors to the North or East.
Thanks,
Chris Koch
From: chkoch99 @hotmail.com
To: ctingley @carmel.in.gov
Subject: Opposition to the Long Branch Market Variance Requests
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:31:59 -0500
Ms. Tingley:
Please distribue this email to the Carmal Board of Zoning Appeals members.
Dear Carmel Board of Zoning Appelas Member:
We are writing this letter to voice our concerns over the proposed variance requests by the
developers of the Long Branch Market proposal on Michigan Road that is being presented to you at
the 26th of January zoning appeals meeting.
First and foremost, we oppose the requested variance to lift the 75% retail restriction that is included
in the zoning of that parcel of land. It is our understanding that the 75% restriction was put in place on
land north of 106th street to protect the neighboring residential areas and create a "transition" from the
heavier retail development farther south on Michigan Road to the residential areas north of 106th Street.
Approval of a variance to lift that restriction would be of no benefit to the Woodhaven neighborhood or
any of the other surrounding residential neighborhoods and would negate the reason the zoning
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requirement was originally put in place.
We are also opposed to the proposed variance requests to allow for a maximum sign area and a
changable copy of a sign. In the Zoning Ordiance for the Michigan Road Overlay Zone, the stated
purpose of the overlay zone is to provide for "consistent and coordinated treatment of the properties
bordering U.S. Highway 421." It is our concern that allowing for those signage variances will not be
consistent with the other development onf Michigan Rd. and make the Kroger signage stand out and
make the development appear overly commercialized.
In closing, we thank you for reading this email and ask that you consider our concerns as well as the
concerns of our neighbors before you grant approval to the aforementioned variances. One of the main
attractions for us to this neighborhood was the quiet, peaceful and serene setting that had all the
conveniences of the stores and restaurants farther south on Michigan Road. Part of that buffer that
separated Woodhaven from the development south was Altum's nursery. Our personal preference
would be for Altum's to remain there forever, but since the Long Branch Market proposal is for Altum's
to no longer remain there, we ask that you enforce the 75% maximum retail retail requirement to keep
the transition of lighter commercial development north of 106th Street and ensure that they operate
within the existing signage codes to remain consistent with the other development on Michigan Road
and maintain the otherwise "tactful" commercial development in that coridor.
Sincerely,
Chris and Kristin Koch
4477 Haven Court
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Tingley, Connie S
From: Hancock, Ramona B
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:23 AM
To: Tingley, Connie S
Cc: Conn, Angelina V
Subject: FW: Proposed Long Branch Development/ Kroger 09100009
Connie:
FYI
Ramona
From: Julia OMalley [mailto:juliaann2 @yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:22 PM
To: Hancock, Ramona B
Subject: Proposed Long Branch Development/ Kroger 09100009
Ramona Hancock
Administrative Assistant
Plan Commission
One Civic Center
Carmel, IN 46032
Members of the Plan Commission and Board of Zoning Appeals:
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I live at 4120 Much Marcle Dr. with my three children aged 8, 13 and 16. I am writing this in regards to
the proposed Long Branch Development/ Kroger 09100009 project. I feel that it is important for me to
voice my concerns in regards to this project. Obviously my main concern is for my children and their
safety. I realize that I can't prevent Kroger from proceeding however, being that my family will be
adversely affected by this project, I feel that my wishes and demands should be taken into
consideration.
Being that the Altum's property sits between two residential neighborhoods, the current zoning
restriction of 75% retail should be kept and enforced. It is imperative that sufficient buffer between
residential and commercial use be in effect. Having studied other retail developments up and down the
Michigan Street corridor, this project is the only one that has a Big —box store (Super Kroger) but up
against a residential neighborhood. Where is the usual buffer street or green space that is normally
planned for a project of this size? If things go as the current plans show, Kroger and its HVAC units
will literally be in my backyard. It goes without saying the significant amount of noise pollution, light
pollution and safety issues that this will cause. My children are all of school age, it is imperative that
their sleep schedule not be disturbed. My children's bedrooms all face the proposed Kroger site
therefore; there should be no truck deliveries, trash pickup, construction times or drive thru hours
between the hours of 8 pm to 7 am.
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Having read my neighbor Casey Carter's letter that he recently submitted to you, I will re- iterate the
developmental requirements that we are requesting:
1. Mounding on the south of proposed development, north of the Townhomes of Weston Pointe
must be 10' in height with an 8' fence built with masonry post and neutral color fencing.
o Landscaping facing the Townhomes will be dense with 8' 10' pine /spruce trees.
o Trees will be replaced by developer if and when they die with trees of same height.
o Tree line currently in place will remain protected and preserved during
demolition /construction/grading /finishing with fencing of some sort.
o Mounding /fencing /plantings to extend west of the northern most point of current Real
Estate/Insurance /School Building to the currently proposed Weston Pointe road access.
o Elimination of Southern most parking island (currently 8 spaces). Island to become a
planting /tree /pine /spruce island.
o Mounding shown on final plans with elevations consistent with above requirements.
2. Signage must be consistent with current tenants along 421/Michigan Road. Lettering must not be
allowed larger than what currently exists at Marsh. Number of signs must be consistent with
current tenants along Michigan road.
In addition to the above requirements, I would also like to mention that the residents whose backyards
face the Altum's property have had to deal with past drainage issues (I have pictures of ducks paddling
in the "lake" in my backyard to prove it!). This problem should be taken into consideration. Drainage
must be kept on the Kroger development side with some type of drainage system to prevent future
drainage issues.
I am completely opposed to a sidewalk access from the Kroger parking lot into my neighborhood. This
proposed sidewalk would not connect to any existing sidewalk system so obviously it serves no
purpose., What this sidewalk would create is an easy access to the back of our townhomes. This
definitely creates a safety issue for all residents whose homes are near this proposed, unnecessary
sidewalk.
In conclusion, I am asking the Plan Commission and Board of Zoning Appeals to consider my concerns
and those of my neighbors. This planned development will affect our safety, health and well being. It
does not benefit any of us in anyway. Please do not allow these plans to pass in their current form.
Thank you for your consideration in these matters.
Sincerely,
Julia A. Price
1/20/2010
Tingley, Connie S
From: CWIC2 [cwic2 @yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:04 AM
To: Tingley, Connie S
Cc: Martin, Candy; Forwarding Email, Sharp, Rick; Rider, Kevin D
Subject: Long Branch Market (Kroger) BZA Hearing
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Carmel has striven to set high standards via zoning ordinances. The Michigan Road Overlay Zone is an
example of those high standards resulting in quality development, which in turn has made it a very
desirable area.
The proposed Long Branch Market w/Kroger seeks to benefit from locating within this thriving area,
while attempting to avoid many of the very provisions that have resulted in the area's success. The
filing of 11 variances points not only to an unwillingness to work within the rules, but a desire to be
exempted from standards the other businesses met in order to locate in this highly desirable area. Of
particular concern are the requests to be exempted from some of the most fundamental of requirements.
The variances regarding maximum 75% gross floor area permitted for retail uses and the drive thru
locations flout the very purpose of the Overlay Zone. What hardship exists that reasonably results in 6
variances for signage! Please consider that there are additional ramifications with granting these sign
variances: it would encourage other existing businesses in the Overlay Zone to ask for their own sign
variances. Please refuse to set a precedent for ignoring the sign standards of the Overlay Zone.
Perhaps reasonable, small differences could be addressed regarding frontage on a public street, some
signage issues, and perimeter fence designs. However, "small" differences could be expected to be
worked out by the Plan Commission while they upheld as much as possible the high quality standards
required of everyone choosing to locate in the Overlay Zone. As proposed, this development is asking
you to make important standards just disappear for them. If variances can essentially make zoning
ordinances go away, what is the point of establishing zoning ordinances to begin with?
This property is desirable, within a highly desirable corridor, on a much traveled "gateway" road. There
is no hardship to the property making these variances necessary, just a desire to be exempt from the very
standards that have made this area so desirable they want to locate within the Overlay Zone. How
ironic. We strongly urge you to refuse the variances so as to uphold the high standards as written and
which already exist in this important corridor.
Marilyn Anderson, President
1/20/2010
MaryEllen Bormett, Vice President Dee Fox, Secretary
Tingley, Connie S
From: Julie A. Camden [jc @camlawyers.com]
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:06 PM
To: Tingley, Connie S
Subject: Krogers and Woodhaven subdivision concerns
I am writing to give you my opinion on what should be done to allow Krogers to be placed on Michigan Road where
Altum's nursery currently is located.
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The neighbors in our subdivision met and decided we had three major concerns. Currently, to the best of everyone's
knowledge in this neighborhood, we have received no commitments from the developer. Our concern is that the law firm
will come and represent that they addressed our concerns, when in fact this is not true. Although I have called Charlie
Frankenberger, and he has spoken to me, he hasn't called me back with commitments.
The three concerns we have are:
1. First and foremost, we do not want the 75% requirement exceeded, as the overlay is there for a reason. While
Kroger's stated one reason it wanted this is financing, this is simply not our concern. The only other reason they
could provide is for flexibility. However, if Krogers if forced to comply with these provisions, they could move the
store forward, which would eliminate a lot of the neighbors' concerns. Krogers may not want to do this because it
might cause their gas station to be eliminated.
2. Secondly, we want a ten foot mound with 8 foot fir or spruce trees (consistent with what the neighborhood
currently has we've been told that pines will not do well), and proper draining with a fence behind the trees
(facing Krogers). This should eliminate the unsightly trucks, lights, etc. This is similar to what Krogers did at 96
street and Meridian. Additionally, this would prevent depreciation to our homes for the Krogers visibility factor. I
moved into Woodhaven almost a year ago today due to its name, and the massive amounts of woods. Allowing a
Krogers not to have this would severely hurt my property value, as I would back up to dumpsters, where a pond
currently sits. Additionally, we would lose the pond, where we currently have "Big Bertha," a huge carp exceeding
5 feet in length that many of us neighbors feed.
3. Finally, we want the dumpsters relocated, with proper rat control measures in place. Currently, they are not
restricting the times that the dumpsters pick up, and since they're located close to our neighborhood, we fear that
the sound will wake us up at 4 a.m., when the trash services usually pick up and drop down the dumpsters with a
loud crash. We made a suggestion that the dumpsters go in between the Krogers and the northern part of the
adjacent store. However, this placement is not mandatory, so long as it's further from where we live.
While the neighbors have more generalized concerns also, these are the big issues. Other looming small issues are
lighting (obviously Carmel has a code that deals with this), and the hours trucks can be there. Initially, it sounded to me
that John Dobosiewicz committed to no trucks of any sort from 7 P.M. to 7 A.M. including dumpster trucks, so that our
children could sleep, etc., without the noise disturbances to the neighborhood. However, at the subdivision meeting at
the neighboring church, we were informed that no such commitment had been made. Obviously, this needs clarification,
and the subdivision would like the 7 -7 restriction, so that we are not disturbed by noise.
Julie A. Camden
Camden Associates, P.C.
9000 Keystone Xing, Ste. 660
Indianapolis, IN 46240
(317) 770 -0000 Phone
(888) 339 -9611 Fax
1/20/2010
Tingley, Connie S
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From: James R. Parker [JRParker @indy.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:02 AM
To: Tingley, Connie S; nkestner @carmel.in.gov; Dorman, Jay; Grabow, Bradford S; Irizarrym
Heather M; Rider, Kevin D; rripma @carmel.in.gov; jhagan @carmel.in.gov; Stromquist, Steven
R; mtorres @carmel.gov; Westermeier, Susan
Subject: Property Owner's Input Regarding Docket No. 09100009 DP /ADLS
Attachments: Planning_commission_letter.doc
Dear Commission Members,
Please see the attached letter with my concerns.
Thank you.
James R. Parker
1/20/2010
JAMES R. PARKER 77368 ROYAL CIRCLE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 -8699
January 16, 2010
TO: Nick Kestner, Jay Dorman, Brad Grabow, Heather Irizarry, Kevin Rider, Rick
Ripma, Judy Hagan, Steve Stromquist, Madeline Torres, Susan
Westermeier
RE: Docket No. 09100009 DP /ADLS: Long Branch Market w/ Kroger (Altum's
site)
Dear Planning Commission Members,
I am writing you in regards to the requested variances being proposed by the
developer of the Kroger store and retail center along Michigan Road. Although
I'm very pleased to hear that another grocery such as Kroger is being planned,
I'm not happy to hear that the developer wants to over -ride a number of the
requirements of the Michigan Road Overlay Zone.
The other developers in this area have had to comply with these requirements,
why should this developer be allowed to disregard them? In my opinion,
loosening these requirements will ultimately result in this area looking similar to
the retail area along Keystone just south of 156 street (which is an eye- sore).
There are a number of residential areas that surround the Michigan Road
Overlay. As a property owner, I want to ensure that the area stays attractive thus
helping to keep the property value high throughout the western boundary of
Carmel.
When this topic is discussed in the next meeting, I urge you to reject the variance
proposal and help keep this section of Carmel up to the standards of excellence
that we expected when we moved to the community. Thank you.
Best regards,
James R. Parker
E- mail: iroarkerPinc/y.rr.com Phone: 317.873.9610
Tingley, Connie S
Sincerely,
Catherine Jones
1/20/2010
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From: Catherine Jones [apothecathy @gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:12 AM
To: Tingley, Connie S; Hancock, Ramona B
Cc: Hollibaugh, Mike P; Dierckman, Leo J; Dutcher, Dan; Dorman, Jay; Grabow, Bradford S;
Irizarrym Heather M; Rider, Kevin D; rripma @carmel.in.gov; Schleif, Carol; Stromquist, Steven
R; mtorres @carmel.gov; Westermeier, Susan
Subject: citizen objection to Long Branch Development Kroger
Attachments: Tong _branch_objection_cjones.doc
Members of the Plan Commission and Board of Zoning Appeals:
I am writing concerning the proposed Long Branch Development Kroger 09100009.
I live adjacent to this site and have attached a letter stating my concerns. I will mail an official signed
copy also, but wanted you to have more time to read it before the upcoming Plan Commission Meeting.
I was also hoping it will go on record for the meeting. I am still working on a crime report for the
surrounding areas and will send that when it becomes available. Thank you in advance for considering
my objections.
Ramona Hancock
Administrative Assistant
Plan Commission
One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
Members of the Plan Commission and Board of Zoning Appeals:
I am writing concerning the proposed Long Branch Development Kroger 09100009.
I live at 4132 Much Marcle Drive with my two children ages 5 and 8. I have many concerns over
the plans for this development and have outlined them below.
75% Retail Use
Pharmacy Drive -thru
January 15, 2010
The current zoning restriction of 75% retail should be kept and enforced. The property sits
between two residential neighborhoods, and there should not be such and abrupt divide between
residential and commercial. The current plans do not provide sufficient buffer between residential
and commercial use. The current plan pushes the retail use to every corner of the lot, using just
about every available square foot of land. The current proposal puts my home within mere feet of
a Big -box store (Super Kroger). It is so close, that the HVAC units on top of the proposed site
will likely affect my children's sleep as their bedrooms face the Altum's property. This is
drastically out of character for the current retail establishments already in place along the
Michigan Rd corridor. Most if not all large stores have a buffer street between residential areas
and retail stores with plenty of green space. The close proximity will cause significant,
detrimental light pollution, noise pollution, and safety concerns.
There is no need for a pharmacy drive -thru in such close proximity to residential housing. A
pharmacy drive -thru will cause significant light and noise pollution. As a pharmacist myself, I
have experienced working a drive -thru. Drive -thru customers cannot see how busy it may be on
the inside of the store and impatient customers will honk to gain attention. This would happen
more often at night because there is only one person on staff to field the phones, pickup and drop
off windows, and drive -thru. Customers seemed to often be less understanding and more prone to
honking at night. The honk of a car is an extremely loud abrupt sound, even more than delivery
trucks or trash pick up. We do not want to be disturbed by the loud honking of impatient
customers and our children should not be awakened by this sort of disturbance. Therefore, I
oppose the variance allowing a pharmacy drive -thru.
Noise pollution Quiet Hours
Below is an excerpt from the National Sleep Foundation's website
www.sleepfoundation.org
Age
Newborns (1 -2 months)
Infants (3 -11 months)
Toddlers (1 -3 years)
Preschoolers (3 -5 years)
School -aged Children (5 -12 years) 10 -11 hours
Teens (11 -17) 8.5 -9.25 hours
Adults 7 -9 hours
Older Adults 7 -9 hours
Sleep Needs
10.5 -18 hours
9-12 hours during night and 30- minute
to two -hour naps, one to four times a day
12 -14 hours
11 -13 hours
According to the above chart, my two children ages 5 and 8 should have 11 hours of sleep per
night. They awaken at 7am to board the Carmel Clay bus which arrives at 7:40am. This puts
bedtime (quiet -time) at 8pm. Therefore, the proposed Kroger going in adjacent to my children's
bedroom windows should have quiet hours of 8pm to 7am not the proposed midnight to 5am
schedule. The store should have no truck deliveries, trash pickup, construction times, or drive
thru hours during this time period. I am asking this not only for my own two children, but for the
nine children extremely close to the development (ages 1, 5, 5, 5, 8, 8, 14, 16, 16) most of
whom have bedrooms facing north toward the proposed Kroger. I would also like to mention the
many adults who will be disturbed and the children and residents further down the streets who
will be affected to a slightly lesser degree (there are 130 units in our neighborhood).
Signage
The proposed sign is out of character for the area. The Marsh sign less than Y2 mile away is
approximately 5 feet high. The Kroger sign does not need to be 9 feet high. It is out of character
for the area. This variance should not be allowed.
Outlots
Crime has been increasing over the last year, especially among the strip malls and outlots along
the Michigan Road corridor. More specifically, there has been an increase in the number of
robberies and burglaries. Having two outlot stores next to Kroger will increase the crime in our
area. We also have many vacant outlot stores near us. There isn't a significant need for these
types of establishments in our area and it will only bring in more crime. A more detailed crime
report is in the works and will soon follow this letter.
Sidewalk
The proposed plan has a sidewalk from the Kroger parking lot into our neighborhood. This is a
security concern. This proposed sidewalk also does not connect to any existing sidewalk system.
We do not want access to our neighborhood from the proposed Kroger parking lot and store. On
August 15, 2009, Lovely Nails at 4000 W 106 St, Carmel, IN was robbed at gunpoint. This
store is less than '/2 mile from our neighborhood. The suspect fled through the back door and into
the neighborhood behind the store (the Westons the connecting neighborhood to the south of
us). The police locked down the neighborhoods looking for the suspect. This recent incident is a
terrifying example of what we are trying to avoid in our community. The sidewalk also opens the
possibility of crime in the opposite direction with a robbery occurring in our neighborhood and
the suspect fleeing into the Kroger parking lot. I object to the proposed sidewalk due to safety
concerns.
On -site Recycling Areas
I absolutely object to on -site recycling areas. I am personally an advocate for recycling. I
currently pay for recycling services from Republic Waste Services. Recycling bins cause
significant noise when persons drop off glass and metal objects. Most importantly, these
containers are available 24 hours a day with no control over when a person can drop items off.
This has high potential for disrupting mine and my young children's sleep. It is a hazard to their
health and well- being. These types of drop off recycling areas are more appropriate for a
commercial or non residential area.
Kennel
Similar to the Recycling Area idea, there is little control over the noise a kennel can generate.
Kennels are noisy, and dogs do not generally stop barking to follow ordinances. A kennel should
not be an allowed use for this area.
In summary, my objections to the proposed Kroger development are significant and will affect
my family and my neighbors' safety, health, and well being. The current plans are also an
aberration to the current character of West Carmel. I am asking the Plan Commission and Board
of Zoning Appeals to consider my concerns as a citizen and neighbor to this development. Please
do not allow the plans to pass in their current form. Thank you for your consideration in these
matters.
Sincerely,
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CARMEL BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
Date: January 15, 2010
To: BZA Members
From: Rachel Boone
Department of Community Services
MEMORANDUM-
Re: Docket No. 09110015 -25 V: Long Branch Market w/ Kroger Altum's Site);
The Petitioner for Long Branch Market w/ Kroger (Altum's site) has asked that the Department of
Community Services convey this message to you:
The purpose of this message is to explain the continuance of the Kroger matter. This was
originally scheduled for hearing on January 6 but had to be continued until January 26 due to a
notice glitch not caused by the applicant. So, it was rescheduled to be heard on January 26;
however, this matter has received significant public input, and the public hearing before the
Plan Commission will be only 5 days earlier on January 21. In light of this and the fact that the
Plan Commission will determine not only DP /ADLS, but also whether to authorize the
applicant's proposed B -3 /Business use, we think it is premature to ask the BZA to hear this
matter on January 26. In this regard, one of the requested variances is from the 75% retail
ceiling, which will be directly affected by the Plan Commission's deliberation on use. In short,
we thought it would be more considerate to the BZA and to the public if the BZA hearing were
forestalled until at least after the first Plan Commission Special Studies Committee meeting.
Should you have any questions or comments, please call the Department at 317 -571 -2417.
Sincerely,
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Rachel Boone
Planning Administrator
Filename: BZAMEMO- 2010 -0115 Long Branch Market w/ Kroger (Altum's site)
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317/571 -2417
Tingley, Connie S
From: MaryEllen Bormett [mebormett @me.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:11 PM
To: Tingley, Connie S
Subject: Long Branch Market
Hello. I am a resident of western Clay Township. A proposed zoning or ordinance change
has come to my attention that I would like to share my input on. I am active in my
community and am the HOA president of my neighborhood, Laurel Lakes. I believe that the
look and feel of our community is important to all of us and thus want to express my
feelings regarding the proposed changes for the Altium's property.
It is my understanding that when the zoning change was granted to Altiums to be built
there, there were some stipulations put on the property to limit the uses. I believe this
was a good decision as it is in a transition area and has immediately surrounding
residential property. This was a smart. move not only to be considerate to the immediately
surrounding properties but also for the general good of the community to organize our city
into logical areas of commercial, industrial and residential areas for obvious reasons. I
feel that nothing unforeseen has happened in our community to warrant a change_ position,
for the limitations on that property. The commercial located farther south on Michigan
road provides two options for groceries, several restaurants, several banking options,
clothing stores, home improvement stores, several pharmacies and all general services
that our community needs to service the surrounding area.
To approve the change in zoning to add yet another grocery store seems to just be looking
to add more commercial and not to be looking at the overall needs or desires of the
community as a whole. If there was a goods vendor of needed service that was not located
within an easy drive of the area homes, I think at that point a zoning change could
responsibility be considered if that store could not be accommodated
in the existing commercial area. But that appears to not be the case
regarding this proposal. Thus I believe this proposed change should be denied as it does
not add any needed services to our community and would stretch out the commercial area on
Michigan road unacceptably far to the north into the residential and rural area.
Finally I want to share with you that I recently took a poll of my neighborhood asking all
residents to respond with their input on a vast majority of topics regarding our area from
residential density to commercial sites being added to our community so that I could
adequately know my communities sentiments when representing them regarding the newly
proposed Comp Plan and regarding other zoning considerations that arise from time to time.
The unanimous opinion was that the responding residents of Laurel Lakes were not
interested in increasing the density of the zoning and were not interested in seeing
commercial development outside of the already defined commercial areas. Thus, as I write
to you I am sure my letter represents the sentiments of not only myself, but also many
more residents in this area.
Thank you for your time and service to our community!
Sincerely,
MaryEllen Bormett
HOA President, Laurel Lakes
2430 Hopwood Drive
Carmel IN 46032
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Tingley, Connie S
From: Casey Carter [denali9674 @hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:13 AM
To: Tingley, Connie S
Subject: RE: Letter to Board of Zoning Appeals
Attachments: Tingley Letter.pdf
Dear Ms. Tingley,
I wanted to send you this letter in regards to the proposed Kroger store on US421 in West Carmel.
I would like this letter to get into the hands of those members of the AREA PLAN COMMISSION and
the BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
I will also be'sending this to Ramona Hancock.
Thank you,
Casey M. Carter
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Connie Tingley
Secretary
Board of Zoning Appeals
One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
January 6, 2010
Ms. Tingley and Members of the Plan Commision and Board of Zoning Appeals:
I am writing in regards to the currently proposed Kroger along Michigan Road in West Carmel between 106 Street
and 116 Street. I feel that it is important for me to state some of the concerns that I have about this development. I
live at 4138 Much Marcle Drive within feet of the south line of the proposed development. I have tried to outline
my concerns in this letter. I have organized it into three categories: developmental requirements, design concerns
and zoning commitments. I feel that these issues are important to this proposed development. I feel that these
should be addressed before proceeding toward a possible approval.
Developmental Requirements
1. Mounding on the south of proposed development, north of the Townhomes of Weston Pointe must be 10'
in height with an 8' fence built with masonry posts and neutral color fencing.
a. Landscaping facing the Townhomes will be dense with 8' 10' pine /spruce trees.
b. Trees will be replaced by developer if and when they die with trees of SAME height.
c. Tree line currently in place will remain protected and preserved during
demolition /construction/grading /finishing with fencing of some sort.
d. Mounding/fencing /plantings to extend west of the northern most point of current Real
Estate /Insurance /School Building to the currently proposed Weston Pointe road access.
e. Elimination of Southern most parking island (currently eight spaces). Island to become a
planting/tree /pine /spruce island.
f. Mounding shown on final plans with elevations consistent with above requirements.
g. Fence /guardrail (1 -3' high) around wet pond to prevent another person from driving into pond
similar to accident on Nov. 2, 2009 at the pond at the entrance to the Townes of Weston Pointe.
2. Signage must be consistent with current tenants along 421/Michigan Road. Lettering must not be allowed
larger than what currently exists at Marsh. Number of signs must be consistent with current tenants along
Michigan Road. It must be enforced!!
Design Concerns
1. Sidewalk access at the Eastern most point near townhomes to be eliminated. There is not a need for a
FOURTH access point at this location. Currently proposed three other access points will suffice. Proposed
townhome access point would create a path to nowhere as no other sidewalk system exists close by.
Location would create an easy path to the back of our townhomes becoming a safety hazard by inviting
unwanted trespassers onto our areas.
2. There are currently only two drive -thrus viewable from US421, the Burger King in front of Home Depot
and the drive thru for the Goodwill, current zoning does not allow for these types of drive thrus. The drive
thru should be located on the back of the proposed Kroger. If it is allowed access to the drive -thru
pharmacy on the south of the proposed Kroger would enter north toward the building and exit toward the
west, reversing the currently proposed drive thru plan. This would prevent light pollution, possible traffic
interference from deliveries /trucks /etc. It is understood that the North drive thru follows this pattern of
driving towards the building.
a. Area at the south of the building and around the drive thru will be heavily landscaped. Currently
states on Sheet C2.0 "S29" -see Landscape Plan. Landscape plan shows no plantings there.
Require heavy landscaping in this area.
b. Car stacking in the pharmacy drive thru is not shown. How many cars can this drive thru currently
hold at one time?
c. Without satisfying these demands I cannot waive the variance to allow the Drive Thru on the side
of the building, put it on the back where the ordinance says it is to go.
3. Loading dock to face East instead of south, preventing light pollution to developments to the north and the
south.
4. Traffic plan (page C2.1- (truck route)) must be better stated, eliminating any reference to usage of the north
drive. Turning radius noted at each area where a truck will be turning. Explanation of how truck will make
turn just north of fuel station and turning south along current proposed "truck route Are trucks turning
from the left turn and then turning right? Is this the best the developer can come up with? Does this not
seem dangerous?
5. How will drainage on the mounded sides facing current residential areas be addressed? Won't it drain
towards the townhomes and other residences? Drainage must be kept on the Kroger developmental sides
by storm structures of some sort; this must be shown on a detailed drawing before approval is given.
6. Is a gas station necessary for this site? Why the current location? If it is to be allowed it must be moved
between the two outlots or not at all.
7. By allowing another grocery store, (by my count 10 currently exist within a 5 mile radius!!!) Carmel will
NOT allow another one in the area, specifically saying no to a future Wal -Mart proposed on the west side
of 421.
8. Concern over the INDOT contract for a light in front of proposed site. Numerous residents of the
Townhomes as well as tenants /owners of the Commercial area along Weston Pointe Drive stated that a
Tight was proposed and promised at the intersection of Weston Pointe and 421/Michigan Road. A request
submitted with Planning and Zoning to find the plans for the Townhomes at Weston Pointe and the
commercial area along Weston Pointe Drive; no plans have yet been disclosed to me. Current traffic
patterns make it incredibly difficult to turn South onto 421 from Weston Pointe Drive. How will the
proposed light in front of the proposed Kroger alleviate this difficulty in exiting Weston Pointe Drive? In
the developmental plan for the townhomes a light was suggested and encouraged, yet never put in. I have
discussed this with Planning and Zoning, Engineering and INDOT and no one can give me an answer as to
why this was not put in. This needs to be revisited.
9. Current lighting plans show a bubble down type of globe (Tab 11 page 2), where will this go? We were
told at neighborhood meeting at Zionsville Presbyterian Church that the street lights would be "shoe box"
lights with no bubble down type of globe.
10. Why is there no B -shop separation proposed? Wouldn't this be a more attractive option to the community?
Zoning Commitments
1. Commitment for Grocery Truck Food Delivery/Trash Pickup no later than 7:OOpm and no earlier than
7:OOam.
2. Commitment made to remove /demolish Kroger structure if it were to ever become vacant or empty and
return site to its original condition before any development existed.
3. A written pest/rodent plan.
General Concerns with this Process
Better communication with residents and ad joiners. The tabling of meetings and rescheduling has become difficult
to stay informed, the developer is not required to renotice? Was two separate meetings with neighbors to the north
and neighbors to the south necessary? Why no contact with the Home Owner's Association about the neighborhood
meeting for the Townhomes? Does Carmel not require contact with HOA's? Why not?
a. The developer's "Explanation of Request" states that the "applicant has worked diligently with
surrounding property owners..." The only diligence that has been taken is buffering. They presented
their information and plans to us and as of the final packet that is currently available that is what they
are "giving" us as neighbors.
When will all of this construction begin if approved? Initial application stated immediately upon approval of
permits, yet I have heard that Altum's will continue its operation through 2010 which is different than the initial
application.
Who will enforce the approved commitments? How are these commitments enforced?
This development is not sufficient for the area. It does not benefit the residents the way that it is being promoted.
To many issues exist that need to be remedied before this is allowed to be passed. There is too much at stake to not
take a step back and take another look at what it is that the neighbors and residents are asking for. This is not the
best design for the area and should be reconsidered. The commitments that currently go with this property do not
allow for this type of 100% retail development.
Thank you for your time,
Casey M. Carter
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To whom it may concern:
December 15, 2009
FAX NO 3178146691 P. 01
Timber Ridge llomc Owners Association
Scott Herbst
910 Tillson !)rive
Zionsville, IN •1(077
(c) 317- 7119•GS43
(w) 317- 814- Ca710
I alit the president of 'Timber Ridge 1luulc Owners Association ("1C111IOA and am
Providing comments on plans for a Kroger, Incline; station and the eventual development
of two out -lots ,•t) the real estate commonly known as 1 1335 North Michigan Iond an�1
currently occupied by Altums (tlae "Development
Several nlctnhcrs of'fR1•l()A attended an informational meeting hosted on Wednesday
1)cccrnber 2, 2,000 and our comments are based on material presented in that meeting, by
the developer and Nelson cti 1°rankcnbcrgcr, Based ott that meeting, our members share
and support the concerns raised by the Woodhaven home Owners Assoi ltil:
"Woodhaven as articulated at the informational meeting. We understand those
concerns Inciudc, but ;Ire not limited to:
Lighting pollution,
Noise pollution, including restrictions on nighttime deliveries, mitigating the
noise caused by the compressors suppottirtg too refrigeration equipment, which
run ;'.4/7/350, and noise from testing or Ole emergency generator (perhaps lint 'ling
For only one hour between the hours of 10 AM 4 PM each week and ex:tucling
weekend and holidays),
1)ultupster location and pest control,
Traffic (we understand a light will be added at I3ennett Parkway And that laic L1rtvc
ut
11h0 North etul of too development will be for ingress only which are boils
uhsolutc minimums to address our issues on traffic and safety),
O I'hc appropriateness of a gas station on this project. and
DEC -15 -2009 TUE 03:29 PM REAMED INC
FAX NO. 3178146691 P. 02
Esthetics, including visual and physical buffers,
We understand that the developers also Seeks variances on the; mix of businesses that can
00ealpy the out-lots and seine members of Woodhaven have suggested a prohibition on
fast food leases and have reminded the developer that the intention of the c.)ttinl
tegultttions was to provide lower intensity transition Zones that abut residential
t1C1gllborlioOd,i. We again support Woodhaven' s views on these natters.
Wc. also have a unique issue that was not adequately or accurately addressed in the
informational meeting. We believe that (he Development niay exacerbate severe
erosion issues on several of our property owners' land via the Long Branch (reek
(the "Creek
f!y way of b(tokgroun(1, we believe the Development will drain into Lone; Branch
ilrat cute tinder i'1ichiltnn rand ttnd across the northern edge of our subdivision and the
southern edge: of Pittman 1'ztrms. Since the widening of Michigan load, tlii, \tucrway
lie Se4.'11 severe erosion and is threatening property owners' homes in our tiubdiVisio11,
We arc in CIISGt1sSiolaS Willi both INDO'1' and the County regarding these ptoblen1!( zinc)
have had informal discussions with the Pittman family. 1Nn1T1' and the County will need
to perlurin studies bclore any rernediation can he perforated.
Our concern is that water from the dcvelohment will further exacerbate this s erious
erosion issue:, \Vu understand retention ponds will be located at the back (fur Vag side) of
the i)evelopntent. Our fear is that the natural slope of the land will allow water to flow
tc)\v rcl Michigan Road and this creel.. '1 he developer mistakenly reported that the i,onc
IIrwich ('reek 11owod west to e:►sl .uld was unable to address our conc•crns in the
illlorl )ational meeting.
lf you have any questions, please call me at 317 709.6843.
Voty truly yours,
C7 ;v& t -14
Seen 1-;, 1lerL,st, President,
hither Ridge 1 Iomc Owners Association
cc: Nelson Ac t i' nkenberger (via fax 846-8782)
Steve litttn;tn (via e aril steve(c"r?pitttnnnpartncrs.com)
Tingley, Connie S
From: MRS MISSUS [the_missus2001 @yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:19 PM
To: Tingley, Connie S
Subject: Proposed Kroger development along Michigan Road
Connie, would you please distribute this email to the BZA members. Thanks so much.
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12/11/2009
Oh dear, a developer wanting to change rules that were put into place after much thought and work, and
for many very good reasons. We'd sure appreciate your support in adhering to those rules and now
allowing changes thereto that would definitely have an adverse effect on surrounding residents. Thank
you very big. Barbara Layton
JAMES J. NELSON
CI- IARLES D. FRANKENBERGER
JAMES E. SHINAVER
LAWRENCE J. KEMPER
JOHN B. FLATT
FREDRIC LAWRENCE
JAMES A. NICKLOY
CHRISTOPHER A. FERGUSON
Christine Barton Holmes
City of Carmel
One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
November 18
December 15
December 21
January 5
January 19
NELSON FRANKENBERGER
A PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION
ATTORNEYS AT LAW
3105 EAST 98TH STREET, SUITE 170
INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA 46280
PHONE: 317 844 -0106
FACSIMILE: 317- 846 -8782
November 6, 2009
i
JANE B. MERRILL,
Of Counsel
ON C. DOBOSIEWICZ,
Land Use Professional
Re: Long Branch Market Michigan Road Kroger
Dear Christine:
Enclosed you will find applications for Development Standards Variances. Our
anticipated schedule is as follows:
TAC
Plan Commission Public Hearing
Board of Zoning Appeals
Special Studies Committee
Plan Commission (if forwarded out of January 5 committee)
We will soon be conferring with you to review the variances that are being filed. Should
you have any questions regarding this, please do not hesitate to call.
Enclosures
Lir to C Holmes 110609
Very truly yours,
NELSON FRANKENBERGER, P.C.
Jon C. Dobosiewicz
Land Use Professional