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CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION
SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE
TUESDAY, MARCH 3, 2009 6:00 PM
CAUCUS ROOMS, 2n Floor
Carmel City Hall
One Civic Square
Carmel IN 46032
Members present: Wayne Haney, Woody Rider, Rick Ripma, Madeleine Torres.
Department Staff in attendance: Director Michael Hollibaugh, Christine Barton Holmes,
Rachel Boone; Legal Counsel John Molitor.
Also present: Ramona Hancock, Plan Commission Secretary.
The Special Studies Committee considered the following items:
1. Docket No. 09020013 ADLS Amend: First Merchant's Bank Signage
The applicant seeks approval for one new sign with black letters during the day and white
at night. The site is located at 11333 N. Meridian St. and is zoned B -5. Filed by Paul Reis
of Bose McKinney Evans on behalf of First Merchant's Bank.
Present for Petitioner: Paul Reis, attorney; Bill Redman, First Merchants Bank.
Overview:
Propose One Wall Sign
Sign would be black letters during the day, white at night
Logo will remain gold day and night
Sign size is 100.86 square feet; 105 square feet is allowed under Ordinance
Owner of complex is in process of amending total sign package
Owner has indicated via letter that they support sign proposed by First Merchant's Bank
Owner will return with revised sign package for 3 buildings
Before constructed and installed, a new sign package will be approved with proposed
colors
Size conforms to Ordinance as well as Logo.
Dept Report, Rachel Boone:
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Building already has established sign package
development grandfathered and will accommodate Brighthouse
Screening Committee should consider as a whole rather than one tenant
Dept supports black during day, white at night with logo
Dept preference is to keep the green color
Dept would like to move forward with this tenant
New tenants would have to follow proposed package
Owner of building considering new sign package
Committee comments:
Positive comments on the logo
Positive comments regarding proposal
Motion: Woody Rider "To approve Docket No. 09020013 ADLS Amend, First Merchant's Bank
Signage," seconded by Madeleine Torres, voted 4 -0 Motion Carried.
2. Docket No. 09020003 ADLS Amend: Bright House Communications Building
The applicant seeks approval for a new communications equipment building. The site is
located at 352 Gradle Dr and is zoned I -1 /Industrial. Filed by Joseph Scimia of Baker
Daniels, LLP for Bright House Networks, LLC.
Present for Petitioner: Joe Scimia, attorney; Bryan Conn, land use consultant; Kerry Faust,
Brighthouse Network.
Overview:
Request for amended ADLS
Brighthouse current location sw corner of Monon Trail and Second Street
Brighthouse hub being re- located to 352 Gradle Drive (relocated at request of City due to
redevelopment of Carmel City Center)
Proposed site currently consists of one, wood -frame structure consisting of 3,250 square
feet, plus parking facility
Petitioner proposes to construct an additional 1,200 square foot facility located
immediately to the west of the wood -frame structure
Current property houses general offices, switching and transmission equipment
New Site on Gradle Drive is within an existing Industrial Park
New site will not house mobile equipment
Existing and landscaping proposed
Pads, shadowbox fence, and retaining wall being constructed
HVAC is a muted gray/beige color, screened by retaining wall and landscaping
HVAC makes no more noise than typical residential unit
Petitioner will increase level of landscaping for site
Engineers and administrative staff OK with wooden shadowbox structure
Employees usually on a 12 -hour shift
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Drainage easement runs entire length of property--drainage flows west to east
County Surveyor's Office and Carmel Engineering working with site Engineer to reduce
storm water runoff
Department Report, Christine Barton Holmes:
No outstanding issues
Industrial use located in I -1 (no standards)
Petitioner is screening site with shadow -box fencing and landscaping
Concerns with possible noise from HVAC units and visual impact addressed
Bicycle racks not necessary at this location
Motion: Woody Rider "to approve Docket No. 09020003 ADLS Amend, Bright House
Communications Building," seconded by Madeleine Torres, voted 4 -0 Motion Approved.
3. Docket No. 08080020 ADLS: Hotel Indigo
The applicant seeks design approval for a 5 -story hotel building. The site is located
northeast of 131S St. US 31 and is zoned B -6 /Business within the US 31 Overlay. Filed
by Jay Gibson of CDG Consulting, Inc.
Present for Petitioner: Jay Gibson, (Civil Engineer responsible for site work)
CDEG Consulting, Inc., Jovan Rayle. Architect.
Overview:
Petitioner has not yet received final construction plan approval from Carmel Engineering
Petitioner has applied for outlet permits for stormwater drainage
Developer of overall infrastructure working with Urban Forestry to submit a tree
preservation/ mitigation plan (trees were removed by Developer prior to construction)
Petitioner is working on securing a cross parking easement
Design Changes- -Jovan Rayle, Architect:
Petitioner considered alternate materials— concrete panels, additional brick, and stone
Eliminating EIFS from top and end points
Stucco not a user friendly product for this climate
Stucco freezes and cracks
Few jobs locally utilize stucco
Stucco would be constant maintenance
EIFS has insulation value
EIFS reduced to 10% (used on top banding and balcony area)
Mural wall will have bar lighting on art work
Petitioner requests approval to use EIFS rather than stucco for reasons /points previously
stated
Department Report, Christine Barton Holmes:
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Met with petitioner regarding positives and negatives of EIFS
10% EIFS allowed and as a trim piece.
Department is comfortable with amount and placement of EIFS
Department is comfortable with cross easement agreement for parking
Engineering Issues —this is part of a much larger site with its own issues
Committee Member Comments:
Uncomfortable with parking arrangement— spaces can be counted twice
Lost confidence in petitioner —not following thru on their commitment regarding use of
stucco
Stucco is used in cold climates Minnesota, Chicago, etc.
When will parking be installed —not a huge issue
EIFS is lightweight, provides insulation, OK for trim
Building not designed to carry weight of cast stone
Bar lights on art work —can be softened with rotating /shielding direction
Art work subject to final approval of Special Studies Committee
Request written agreement /commitment from petitioner submitted one week prior to full
Commission meeting (copy to Rick Ripma)
NOTE: Rachel Boone reminded the Committee that the Petitioner will be returning to Committee
for signage review /approval
Motion: Madeleine Torres "to forward Docket No. 08080020 ADLS, Hotel Indigo to full Plan
Commission with recommendation for approval, subject to all commitments being submitted in
writing prior to Plan Commission meeting, (petitioner is to return for signage, seconded by
Wayne Haney, voted 3 -1 (Ripma) MOTION CARRIED.
4 -5. Docket No. 08070022 DP Amend /ADLS: St. Vincent Sports Performance Center
The applicant seeks site plan and design approval for a sports performance /training/
physical therapy center and medical offices and also seeks zoning waiver approval:
Docket No. 08070023 ZW ZO §27.01: required parking spaces
The site is located at 13400 N Meridian St. and is zoned B -6 /Business within the US 31
Overlay and OM/MM Old Meridian District, Mixed Medical. Filed by Darrell Phillips
for BremnerDuke Healthcare Real Estate.
Present for Petitioner: Paul Reis, attorney; 3985 West 106 Street, Suite 110,
representing BremnerDuke Healthcare Real Estate.. Also in attendance: Site
Engineer, and Fred Prazeau, landscape architect.
Overview:
Previous discussion between Fred Prazeau, landscape architect and Scott
Brewer, Urban Forester—landscape issues resolved.
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Major issue was parking
Petitioner submitted an analysis confirming excess parking (174) spaces
available
Petitioner states adequate parking for the campus
Coordinated campus parking important for St V
Petitioner will provide for a transit system within development
At this time, all items addressed
Department Report, Christine Barton Holmes:
Engineering Dept. has resolved all outstanding issues
City Urban Forester present this evening to answer any questions if need be
LEED elements and parking detail submitted
Deparatment is OK with parking—no variance needed
Department recommends positive consideration
Urban Forester Report, Scott Brewer:
Site visit made today
Tree preservation was a question
Petitioner will quarantine area to preserve trees
Motion: Madeleine Torres "to forward Docket No. 08070022 DP Amend /ALDS
St. Vincent Sports Performance Center and Docket No. 08070023 ZW, (required
parking spaces) to the Plan Commission with a positive recommendation," seconded
by Woody Rider, voted 4 -0 Motion Carried.
6. Docket No. 08120012 ADLS: Carmel Executive Suites
The applicant seeks design approval for a 3 -story office building. The site is
located at 11708 N College Ave and is zoned B -2 /Business. Filed by Scott
Yeager of Yeager Properties, Inc.
Continued to April 2 nd Committee meeting.
Meeting adjourned at 7:00 PM.
Rick Ripman, Chairperson
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Ramona Hancock, Secretary
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