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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes SpecStdy 04-02-09G\ P 4 RTNERy -j OF CAP FoRT�n� City of arme /ND I AN P CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE APRIL 2, 2009 CAUCUS ROOMS, 2 nd FLR CARMEL City Hall One Civic Square Carmel IN 46032 6:00 PM Minutes Members present: Wayne Haney, Woody Rider, Rick Ripma Susan Westermeier (late arrival) Members absent: Madeleine Torres DOCS Staff Present: Christine Barton- Holmes, Rachel Boone; John Molitor, Legal Counsel Also Present: Ramona Hancock, Secretary, Carmel Plan Commission The Special Studies Committee considered the following items: 1. Docket No. 09030005 ADLS Amend: Payless Liquors Signage. The applicant seeks approval for internally illuminated channel letters. The site is located at 9609 N. College Ave. and is zoned B -3 /Business. Filed by Charles Key of Payless Liquors, Inc. Present for Petitioner: Roger Reagan for Payless Liquors, 9609 N. College Ave. Overview: Request is for internally illuminated channel letters Wall signage on storefront Sign size is 72.5 square feet Department Report, Rachel Boone: Previous ADLS for Center did not allow illuminated signage Dept is in support of illuminated sign Size fits within the Sign Ordinance Sign is illuminated, white lettering during day and night with black returns Motion: Woody Rider "to approve Docket No. 09030005 ADLS Amend, Payless Liquors Signage," seconded by Wayne Haney, approved 3 -0 Motion Carried S: /P1anCommission /Minutes/ Committees /SpecialStudies /2009apr02 I ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417 2. Docket No. 09030012 ADLS Amend: Midwest Eye Institute (Springmill Medical Office Building Phase II) The applicant seeks approval for an amended wall sign and for a new directional ground sign. The site is located at 200 W. 103 St. It is zoned B -3 /Business. Filed by Charles Hunt of United Sign And Awning. Present for Petitioner: Charles Hunt, United Sign and Awning, 1857 Shelby Street, Indianapolis; Barbara Bernhardt, Midwest Eye Institute Overview: Requesting Approval for Amended Wall Sign Wall Sign is 73.78 square feet Sign is constructed of aluminum, individual back -lit letters painted white Proposed wall sign being relocated closer to center section of building Request includes Directional Ground Sign at rear of building Intention is to have ground sign match the brick color in the buldg Sign is at the entrance to the north parking lot Will change out existing sign at some future date to match propsed sign Department Report, Rachel Boone: Proposed Ground Directional is 24 square feet in area and 4 feet tall Ground Directionsal Sign requird a variance fos gins size, height, and sign not facing a public right -of -way Sign Letters made of white cutout PVC—background of textured brick Design of proposed directionals should better match existing ground sign Dept is OK with font change Proposed sign does not fit aesthetically Dept questions placement of the sign to center of buidiing Dept is recommending approval of the Wall Signs No Director Signs on site Dept would almost recommend two directional signs —south end and cose to entrance Committee Comments: Wall sign being moved —why? How many tenants in bldg? (up to 4) Percentage of Space? (45% of bldg is occupied by Midwest Eye Institute) Barbara Bernhardt said the placement of the sign is for patients to readily identify and is on the west side of the bldg— street side is east. Through signage, trying to get patients around to the west side of the building. Motion: Woody Rider "to approve Wall Sign Only for Docket No. 09030012 ADLS Amend, Midwest Eye Institute (Springmill Medical Office Bldg Phase II") seconded by Sue Westermier, approved 4 -0 Motion Carried Motion: Woody Rider to Table the Directional Sign for Docket No. 09030012 ADLS Amend, S: /PlanCommission /Minutes/ Committees /SpecialStudies /2009apr02 2 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417 Midwest Eye Institute (Springmill Medical Office Building Phase II) seconded by Sue Westermeier, approved 4 -0 Motion Carried. 3. Docket No. 09030006 ADLS Amend: Old Meridian Plaza Building 2 VFW (RA Franke Addition, lot 8B). The applicant seeks approval for exterior building and site plan modifications for Building 2. The site is located at 12863 Old Meridian St. and is zoned OM/MU- Old Meridian, Mixed Use. Filed by Ersal Ozdemir of Keystone Group, LLC. Present for Petitioner: Charlie Frankenberger, attorney, Nelson Frankenberger; Ersal Ozdemir and Joe Peters, Old Meridian LLC; Jon Dobosiewicz, Land Planner, Nelson Frankenberger; Les Olds, Carmel Redevelopment Commission. Overview: Subject Site is 2.5 acres Located between 131 Street on the north and East Carmel Drive on the south, on the east side of Old Meridian Street Two buildings previously approved on this site to allow a 4- story, 60,000 square foot building immediately adjacent to Old Meridian and occupying the majority of frontage on the site The second building approved is smaller and located east of and behind the Old Meridian building Subject of current petition is the smaller, off street building—initially intended as a Veterinary Hospital Currently determined that the off street building site provides opportunity for the re- location of the existing VFW Post currently located at 34 First Avenue NW in the Carmel Arts Design District Re- locating the VFW Post will allow the development of the existing VFW building in a manner consistent with the ambiance of the Old Town District Re- locating the VFW Post will also provide a comfortable and more attractive place for the VFW site The petitioner is requesting ADLS Amendment approval from the Special Studies Committee and a Variance from the Board of Zoning Appeals /Hearing Officer for height, occupiable floors, and the sign Proposed Site Plan allows the VFW to own some additional land beyond the foot- print of the building Per the Original Site Plan, the owner of the off street building owned only the land directly beneath the building Original off street building was split level/2- stories; revised building is all one story Petitioner requesting Committee approval of ADLS Amend allowing the revised building that allows relocation and redevelopment of the VFW site. Department Report, Christine Barton Holmes: Majority of outstanding issues in published Dept Report have been addressed Up -dated Landscape Plan received Board of Zoning Appeals Hearing Officer to hear tomorrow regarding reduction in height to one story. Plans also received for bike parking and connectivity S: /P1anCommission /Minutes/ Committees /SpecialStudies /2009apr02 3 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417 Request Petitioner confirm that mechanical equipment will be located behind the building and screened with shrubbery Signage —signs will be before the BZA on April 27 Department Recommends positive consideration ADLS Amend may be approved by Committee rather than returning to Plan Commission Charlie Frankenberger confirmed that the mechanical equipment will be located behind the building and screened with shrubbery Committee Comments /Questions: Any shared parking? Is Committee approval contingent on BZA approval? Not necessary, but don't see why you would not Motion: Woody Rider "to approve Docket No. 09030006 ADLS Amend, Old Meridian Plaza Building 2, VFW (RA Franke Addition, lot 8B, contingent upon BZA approval on March 27th," seconded by Sue Westermeier, approved 4 -0 Motion Carried 4. Docket No. 08120012 ADLS: Carmel Executive Suites. The applicant seeks design approval for a 3 -story office building. The site is located at 11708 N College Ave and is zoned B -2 /Business. Filed by Scott Yeager of Yeager Properties, Inc. Present for Petitioner: Scott Baldwin, Baldwin Brothers on behalf of Scott Yeager, Yeager Properties. Overview: Most all comments and concerns addressed Samples of Materials Distributed Entire Building Front had more stainless steelit is now more tinted glass Materials are bright yellow EIFS, (now pale yellow) glass, stainless steel architectural features, bottom of building is gray, cast stone Department Report, Christine Barton Holmes: Outstanding issues from Urban Forestry Engineering currently being worked out Issues with landscape plan —some plantings over utility lines and must be moved Dept of Engineering has received revised plans and still working on reviewing Final Issue is the number of signs total sign square footage Petitioner has submitted two signs —due to street frontage, only one sign permitted If petitioner goes forward with two signs, will need a development standards variance filed Building is unique and will be a nice addition to the corridor Recommend forwarding to full Commission with favorable recommendation Committee Comments /Questions: Any architectural restrictions? Bright Yellow is somewhat offensive Aesthetics—broken up Recommend continuing at Committee level S: /P1anCommission /Minutes/ Committees /SpecialStudies /2009apr02 4 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417 Uniqueness is good Overall design of building is not a problem Can't warm up to the building Surrounding area? Building will definitely stand out —good or bad Petitioner states the yellow is more pale than actually shown and petitioner will commit to pale yellow. Surrounding area includes an office building, the back -side of a pseudo /flex office building, and College Avenue—predominantly low -rise office. Additional Dept Comments, Christine Barton Holmes: No architectural restrictions in this area—outside Home Place and outside Meridian Corridor Overlay A couple of issues outstanding, but almost resolved at this point Aestheticsa lot of materials being used, colors are not the same tones but are the same hues and help tie the building together visually Cast -stone is similar to what is being used on the strip center Proposed building will be noticeable because it is different, but will not be 'Jarring," especially since the yellow is paled -down. Motion: Woody Rider "to send Docket No. 08120012 ADLS, Carmel Executive Suites to the full Plan Commission with a negative recommendation," seconded by Wayne Haney, approved 3 -1 (Ripma) Motion Carried 5. Docket No. 08110006 DP /ADLS: Greyhound Commons, Phase III Key Bank (Kite PUD) The applicant seeks site plan design approval for a bank. The site is located at the southeast corner of 146 St. and Lowes Way. The site is zoned R -4 /Residence, pending a PUD /Planned Unit Development rezone. Filed by Kite Greyhound III, LLC. TABLED 6 -7. Docket No.s 08110007 OA 08110008 Z: Kite PUD Rezone, Expansion (Key Bank). The applicant seeks rezone and ordinance amendment approval to expand Kite PUD Ordinance Z- 344-00 to include 1.7 acres at the southeast corner of 146 St. and Lowes Way and to modify text. The site is currently zoned R -4 /Residence, pending a PUD/ Planned Unit Development rezone. Filed by Kite Greyhound III, LLC. TABLED 8. Docket No. 09030014 ADLS Amend: Hilton Garden Inn. The applicant seeks approval for wall sign color change from bronze to red during day /white at night. The site is located at 13090 N. Pennsylvania Ave. and is zoned B -2 within the US 31 Overlay. Filed by Linda Poore of Hilton Garden Inn. Present for Petitioner: Linda Poore, General Manager of Hilton Garden Inn at Main Street and Pennsylvania. S: /P1anCommission /Minutes/ Committees /SpecialStudies /2009apr02 5 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417 Overview: Hotel Originally opened with white signage on a white building Initial signage amended approx two years ago Signage compromised to bronze during day and white at night Guests and Carmel residents say they do not know Hilton Garden Inn is in being and at this location Standard for Hilton Garden Inn is a continuous red sign Would like a red sign day and night but willing to compromise Petitioner willing to go red sign during the day, white at night Department Report, Rachel Boone: Petitioner compromised initially with the bronze Petitioner returning for red sign and is compromising with red at night A number of other hotels along corridor that have a color sign during the day /white at night Department is in support of the request for red sign during the day, white at night Committee Comments /Questions: Signage is needed —hotel is difficult to find Motion: Sue Westermeier "to approve Docket No. 09030014 ADLS Amend, Hilton Garden Inn," seconded by Woody Rider, approved 4 -0 Motion Carried Meeting adjourned at 6:50 PM. Rick Ripma, Chairperson Ramona Hancock, Secretary S: /P1anCommission /Minutes/ Committees /SpecialStudies /2009apr02 6 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417