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Technical Advisory Committee Minutes: June 16, 2004
CARMEL CLAY
TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Minutes
June 16, 2004
REPRESENTING THE CITY OF CARMEL:
Angelina Butler, Planning Zoning
Chuck Shupperd, Vectren Energy
Scott Brewer, Urban Forester
John South, County Soil Water
Steve Broermann, County Highway
Kathleen Walro, Urban Forestry, Intern
John Dobosiewicz, Planning Zoning
4.
Gary Duncan, Engineering
Amanda Foley, Engineering
Docket No. 04050024 SUA
Brooke Gajownik,
5.
Dean Groves, Cinergy
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Dick Hill, Engineering
*Cherry Creek Estates, Sec 1A, lot 4 Sales Trailer
Greg Hoyes, County Surveyor's
Bill Akers, 911 Communications
Gary Hoyt, Fire Department
Jim Blanchard, Biding Code Enfrcmt
David Littlejohn, Pinning Zoning Intern
Candy Feltner, Clay Regional Waste
Via e -mail: Bill Akers, 911 Communications
Via e -mail: Jim Blanchard, Building Code Enforcement
Via e -mail: Candy Feltner, Clay Regional Waste
Public Audit: Barry Smalstig, Page 6.
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Tabled
Central Park
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Docket No. 04030042 Z: Townhomes at Guilford PUD
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4.
Carmel/Clay Schools Clay Middle School: Special Use Amendment
Docket No. 04050024 SUA
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5.
Stanford Park, Sec 3 Amenity Area Docket No. 04050026 SU
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*Cherry Creek Estates, Sec 1A, lot 4 Sales Trailer
*Docket No. 04050045 PP Amend: Cherry Creek Estates
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8.
Docket No. 04050028 DP /ADLS: Walnut Creek Marketplace
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Docket No. 04050039 PP: Glen Oaks Subdivision
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*Docket No. 04050051 Z: Alexandria of Carmel Edward Rose Rezone
*Docket No. 04050052 ADLS: Alexandria of Carmel
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Page 13. Docket No. 04050048 DP Amend:
North Haven, Blk D, lots 1 -2: CP Morgan Bldgs 2 3
Page 15. Docket No. 04050046 ADLS: Greyhound Commons, Ph II Fox Hound
Page 17. Docket No. 04050053 DP /ADLS: North Meridian Medical Pavilion
Page 19. Docket Nos. 04060002 SUA and 04060003 V:
Carmel Lutheran Church Expansion
Page 20. Docket No. 04060005 SP: Lakeside Park, Sec 3 Secondary Plat
Page 21. Docket No. 04060006 SP: The Ridge at Hayden Run, Sec 3 Secondary Plat
Page 22. Docket No. 04060007 SP: The Trails at Hayden Run Secondary Plat
Central Park
Filed by Alan Armstrong of A J Armstrong
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS:
The applicant seeks to construct a Public Park. The site is located east of College Avenue and north of 111"'
Street. The site is zoned P -1 /Parks and Recreation.
TABLED.
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Docket No. 04030042 Z: Townhomes at Guilford PUD
Filed by Dave Sexton of the Schneider Corporation
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS:
Steve Pittman, PITTMAN PARTNERS
Neil Smith, PITTMAN PARTNERS
Dave Sexton, SCHNEIDER ENGINEERING
The applicant seeks to rezone approximately 9.5 acres from R- I /Residence to PUD /Planned Unit
Development. The site is located at 1224 S. Guilford Road. We are proposing 100 Townhomes going across
the street with the construction with Pulte. Utilizing the site for detention ponds and courtyards. Significant
landscaping. The front elevation will be all brick with decks off the back overlooking the courtyard.
HOYES:
No additional comments.
GROVES:
Show pole line along the road. Concerned about entrance if the poles are in the way of
DOBOSIEWICZ:
the excell/decell lanes. We need to sit down and work out the transformer layout.
HOYT:
Please call to get this going.
SHUPPERD:
We have a main out of Lennox. We need to sit down for meters and banks, for
BROOKE:
service.
GROVES:
We can meet together with Shupperd in my office and work out both details.
SHUPPERD:
Earlier than later.
HILL:
I faxed my comments. Looking for improvements and passing blisters.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
Coordinate that with the Developer on improvements Guilford is an old street. Want a
follow up with Developer across the street on passing blisters.
HILL:
Will that eliminate the Wetlands?
DOBOSIEWICZ: They are looking at environmentals. It is undetermined at this point.
HILL:
Are the streets private?
PITTMAN:
Yes.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
South access, provide ingress /egress.
HOYT:
Which way will the north end buildings face toward the street or away?
PITTMAN:
We have not decided but you will have an access to them.
BROOKE:
You will need street name approvals.
BREWER:
Good species diversity and tree preservation around the pond.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
We have not compared PUD with plans. If there is glitch we will work it out. Verify
thoroughfare right -of -way on Guilford.
FELTNER:
Sanitary sewer construction plans need to be submitted for review by the District's
Engineers. A District project application must also be submitted. Please submit two
sets of plans to the District for review. An IDEM construction permit may be needed:
if so, all IDEM submittal information should be provided following the District's plan
review.
BLANCHARD:
Are there any structures that will be removed? If so, how many? No earth moving to
take place until a demolition permit is on file. Are there any abandoned wells, septic
tanks, or fuel tanks? If so, no earth moving to take place until a demolition permit is
on file and/or Morris Hensley has been contacted. (571 -2673) Demolition permit
applications may be picked up the office of Building Code Enforcement at City
Hall, on the 1S floor. Will there be a construction trailer, model home, and/or
temporary sales office? If so, will need Temporary Use Application. (Pick up
application at the Division of Building Code Enforcement at City Hall on the 1 st
floor.) How many stories are the buildings? We will need specific details for the two
hour fire separation wall from foundation to roof on this town home construction. If
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the buildings are not sprinkled, draft stopping shall be installed. To subdivide attic
spaces not to exceed 3,000 square feet. We also will need to see the method of draft
stopping on the construction plans. What is the approximate square footage, from the
smallest to the largest, and what is the estimated cost of construction? A pre submittal
meeting will be required. No building permit will be issued before the pre submittal
meeting. You may get a copy of the pre submittal checklist and commercial
procedures on our website www.ci.carmel.in.us Make sure you have all agencies
approvals prior to contacting Sarah Lillard for your pre submittal meeting.
Slillard gci.carmel.in.us Ten day permit turnaround after your pre submittal meeting.
AKERS: Need street names. Do the dead -end streets connect to another future project?
...END...
Carmel/Clay Schools Clay Middle School: Special Use Amendment
Docket No. 04050024 SUA
Filed by Michael Schipp of Fanning /Howey
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS:
Herb Thompson, FANNING HOWEY ARCHITECTS INC
Michael Schipp, FANNING HOWEY ARCHITECTS INC
Petitioner seeks approval to place 2 modular classrooms on -site. Chapter 5.02 Special Use in the S -1
zone. The site is located at 5150 E 126th Street. The site is zoned S -1 /Residence Low Density.
We want to relocate the two labs /modulars /trailers from Forest Dale to Clay Junior High southwest
corner site between the receiving and staff parking just during construction. Demo the front half
moving displaced administration to trailers. Adults and Administration only, no students. Time frame
July 2004 through March 2005.
HOPES:
I faxed you a letter. No further comments.
GROVES:
What do you propose for finding power?
SCHIPP:
Using existing and running existing from second floor mezzanine.
GROVES:
Feed from building?
SCHIPP:
Yes.
SHUPPERD:
No gas, no comments.
HILL:
No comments.
HOYT:
I faxed you a letter. Make sure modulars are connected to building monitors
and alarms.
GAJOWNIK:
No comments.
BREWER:
Looking for Tree Preservation Plan. If you can get me that.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
BZA June 28, packet deadline June 18, but I would like to approve this
administratively. If you can get us a letter advising us to withdraw you from the
BZA later today we can put this in motion.
BLANCHARD:
The ramp shall have a slip resistant walking surface. Outdoor ramps and
outdoor approaches to ramps shall be designed so that water will not
accumulate on walking surfaces; and in climates subject to snow and ice, shall
be designed to minimize the accumulation of same. Project will require a State
Construction Design Release for the foundation. Are the restrooms located less than
500 feet from the modular units? Will there be a construction trailer? If so, will need
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Temporary Use Application. (Pick up application at the Division of Building Code
Enforcement at City Hall on the 1st floor.) A pre submittal meeting will be required.
No building permit will be issued before the pre submittal meeting. You may get a
copy of the pre submittal checklist and commercial procedures on our website
www.ci.carmel.in.us Make sure you have all agencies approvals prior to contacting
Sarah Lillard for your pre submittal meeting Slillard gci.carmel.in.us Ten day permit
turnaround after your pre submittal meeting. *Please contact Jim Blanchard 571-
2450 or Jblanchardgci.carmel.in.us for any additional comments or concerns in
regard to this project.
...END...
Stanford Park, Sec 3 Amenity Area Docket No. 04050026 SU
Filed by Ed Flemming of Stoeppelwerth Associates
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS:
Doug Elmore, PLATINUM PROPERTIES
Gordan Kritz, STOEPPELWERTH ASSOCIATES
Petitioner seeks special use approval for an amenity area. Chapter 10.02.A Special Use.
The site is located northeast of 131 st Street and Shelborne Road and is zoned R -4 /Residence.
Three Ryland Townhomes with three (3) Football fields. They are regulation size being used by the Dad's
Club. North parking has drainage problems so a lake has been inserted in that area and we have moved the
parking to the east. We have a small building for storage and concessions. The site will be irrigated from the
east pond. No permanent Score Board, Bleachers or Goals.
HOYES:
I have sent comments on the overall Stanford project. No further.
GROVES:
This is Ron Booher's area. He will need a set of prints, 2004 Auto -cad, Loading
Requirements and Serviced Request.
SHUPPERD:
Gas?
ELMORE:
The concessions will have portable heaters so we are not sure yet.
SHUPPERD:
Okay, no gas in Section One of Stanford yet. Let us know as soon as you can if you
will need gas.
HILL:
Concession will need availability for water. Give us an estimate on usage.
Is the parking private? We do not recommend inverted crowns.
DUNCAN:
We do not see ADA spaces. You will need those. You will need to provide ADA
access to the fields themselves.
SOUTH:
Dirt work? How will you do all three sections and amenity area?
ELMORE:
All at once.
SOUTH:
I will ask for a unified plan that ties it all together. You have piecemealed the project,
and I need it submitted whole. Current construction sequence is more for residential it
needs to be more of a unique construction that addresses this site specifically.
ELMORE:
Then we will get together with you.
SOUTH:
Well- groomed ball fields mean fertilizer and weed control. Recommend a more Turf-
like field by reducing storm water pollutants with slow release fertilizers and not over
fertilizing with controls.
HOYT:
No comments.
GAJOWNIK:
No comments.
BREWER:
I have a comment letter here for you (passing letter to petitioner). There appears to
be some changes on parking lot block "A" in landscaping. I need a set of engineered
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revised plans. I need a plan for the concession area, not just section three. Attached is
illegibly sized schedule for planting detail and notes. Show Limits of Construction,
Graphic Tree Protection and overhead lines.
DOBOSIEWICZ: Layout is great. Work out sidewalk in front of the houses starting at the street and
encircles the fields with several accesses to come out along the drive here. Need this
type of landscaping plan added to the construction plans. Greg Hoyes will have
comments for you on that area to the south with regard to the sanitary. Shingles and
building material for the concession building to match Stanford Subdivision. One area
called out, a grouping of shrubs on the north side middle they need to be put
somewhere other than where they are. The sidewalk needs to be on the home side of
the swale and on the home and landscaping side of the field.
BLANCHARD: No plans. No comments.
FELTNER: Building permit should NOT be issued be issued unless the District has issued a
connection permit and any work on the sewer connection will require a District permit
and inspection. A District project application needs to be submitted along with
construction plans for review.
W 110I0
*Cherry Creek Estates, Sec IA, lot 4 Sales Trailer Docket No. 04050027 UV
Filed by Nicole Perry of Pulte Homes of Indiana, LLC.
PUBLIC AUDIT: Barry Smalstig
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS:
Gordan Kritz, STOEPPELWERTH ASSOCIATES
David Compton, PULTE HOMES
Nicole Perry, PULTE HOMES
The applicant seeks use variance approval for a sales trailer. Chapter 5.01 permitted uses. The site is located
at 5882 Cherry Creek Blvd. and is zoned S -1 /Residence Low Intensity. The structure is already there today.
Cherry Creek has a Model on the left as you drive in. We would like to continue the use of this Sales Trailer.
Our request is to continue to use this trailer.
HOYES:
GROVES:
SHUPPERD:
HILL:
DUNCAN:
SOUTH:
HOYT:
BROERMANN:
BREWER:
DOBOSIEWICZ:
AKERS:
BLANCHARD:
No comments.
No comments.
No comments.
No comments.
No comments.
No comments.
No comments.
No comments.
No comments.
No comments.
No comments.
Temporary Use application may be obtained from the Building of Code Enforcement
office on the 1S floor of City Hall. For questions, contact Code Enforcement Officer
Jesse Pohlman at (317) 571 -2423, or: jpohhnan gci.carmel.in.us
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*Docket No. 04050045 PP Amend: Cherry Creek Estates
Filed by Dennis Olmstead of Stoeppelwerth Assoc.
PUBLIC AUDIT: Barry Smalstig
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS:
Gordan Kritz, STOEPPELWERTH ASSOCIATES
David Compton, PULTE HOMES
Nicole Perry, PULTE HOMES
The applicant seeks to amend the initial primary plat to be 353 total lots on 174 acres The site is located
southeast of Hazel Dell Pkwy and Cherry Tree Rd. The site is zoned S -I /Residence -ROSO.
HOYES:
This is Carmel's Jurisdiction.
GROVES:
We need new updated site plans and 2004 Auto -cad.
SHUPPERD:
No comments.
HILL:
I faxed you a letter. Not sure if it can be simplified per your letter.
COMPTON:
We have stopped the traffic off the end of the cul -de -sacs by adding landscaping.
SOUTH:
I am not satisfied with the use of the topography out there with the rolling landscape.
I would like to see more of the ground left as is. Storm water pipe discharges into
pond number five close to the outlet of that pond. Move pipe to the west end of the
pond.
HOYT:
Did we downsize the lots to accommodate more homes?
COMPTON:
There are two different size lots and we just added additional sixty -five (65) Empty
Nester type smaller lots.
HOYT:
What are the hatch marks in the eyebrow?
GORDAN:
You are looking at the Open Space Plan.
HOYT:
I will send you the radius for my trucks and specs on the Ladder. What is the height
of these?
COMPTON:
Single- story, no basements.
GAJOWNIK:
No comments.
BREWER:
No plans need Open Space and Landscape Plans.
GORDAN:
Passed plans to Scott Brewer in meeting.
BREWER:
Do not plant Hawthorn within fifteen feet (15') of pavement or sidewalk.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
Look at shortening the southern most ends of the two cul -de -sacs. You need to pull
them back forty feet (40') to the north. I am okay with lots 331 346 to be oddly
shaped. Especially this one at the eastern most edge it may be difficult considering the
depth of lot 273. As this new section reaches Cherry Creek Boulevard from that point
east we would like you to provide a ten feet (10') asphalt path provided on both sides
of the street. I know there has been issue with the alignment of Cherry Creek Road
and acquisition of right -of -way to produce the curbing out at Spring Lake Estates. On
Cherry Creek Boulevard see if the City would condemn that area for that
improvement? I met with the Spring Lake Homeowner's Association and they want a
meeting with you to discuss their issues. Once that is done maybe looking into
extending the fence over to the intersection. Meet with residents and work out your
issues before the Public Hearing. Regarding engineering I believe not curbing the
median has left that area rutted. I would like to see design and incorporate the new
section while providing the curb. Let's go ahead and complete the Cross Section. The
entrance off of Cherry Creek make sure you design that correctly for the purpose of
the entrance across the street acting as your passing blister. It appears you need right
of -way frontage for your d/cell we would like you to pickup the entirety of this
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property across his frontage. Your d/cell already takes up two thirds of his property.
Comments pertaining to the positioning of the Cemetery you have done your
environmental work?
COMPTON: We have gotten an X -ray of it and approval letter from DNR.
DOBOSIEWICZ: We need a copy of that letter from DNR with a copy of your signage.
...END...
Docket No. 04050028 DP /ADLS: Walnut Creek Marketplace
Filed by Mary Solada of Bingham McHale
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS:
Cindy Schembre, DUKE
Tom Mclaughlin, DUKE
Greg Ewing, BINGHAM MCHALE
Greg Snelling, WOOLPERT
Brent Davis, CSO ARCHITECTS
The applicant proposes a retail center, located northeast of 99th Street and Michigan Rd/US 421. The site is
zoned B -3 and B-2/Business within the US Highway 421 Overlay. We have changed the name to West Carmel
Marketplace. Proposed a five (5) tenant space building and along US 421 frontage two (2) `B" shop building
with a nine (9) tenants each. We will be filing Variances from foundation plantings and number of signs with
additional Variances relating to facade material changes. We will also be filing a Plat to formally subdivide the
parcel, the three buildings you see on the plan the in -line existing next to Super Target and the two `B" shop
buildings toward the US 421 frontage. The buildings and the parcels around those buildings will be identified
as blocks. Identifying future development areas with common and drainage areas. We will also be filing a Plat
Vacation because of the parcel immediately south of the Super Target or Block "F" of the West Carmel
Center. We will propose another new publicly dedicated street called 99 Street. That will be our primary
proposed entrance to the site and a proposed extension of Commerce Drive. We propose a private frontage
road. Proposing drainage ponds and Wetland at the rear of the parcel south far east corner of the lot and
keeping it "as is
HOYES:
I sent a comment letter. You have one Regulated Drain and we will need to
reconstruct. We talked to the County Surveyor about the pond layout and common
area. Our office would like to work with Duke for a Regional Pond like the two in
Ash Brook. Also some water quality treatments. Let's set a site meeting.
GROVES:
This is IP L.
SHUPPERD:
Jerry Breech is your contact. Fill out and send in your Customer Data Sheet. We will
extend from Super Target down Commerce Road. Hit the `B" shops from Michigan
Road banks and meters.
HILL:
You are outside Carmel's jurisdiction.
SOUTH:
Storm Water Pollution Prevention Plan is unapproved at this time. The proposed
large building site is that area going to be disturbed?
SNELLING:
We show it as a soil stockpile.
SOUTH:
We would be interested in seeing a Regional Pond too.
SNELLING:
We have new Wetland Laws that will not allow in -line ponds. We have been advised
not to disturb the Wetlands.
SOUTH:
That would be my understanding too that you could not use the Wetlands for treating
your commercial water. On the other hand by front lacing the ponds around a
Wetland area this will no longer be Wetland area. You will drain them by cutting off
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the water supply to the Wetlands. We would support utilizing the ground in a better
fashion.
SNELLING: We would like to meet with you about this.
HOYES: You will have to keep the drain in its existing channel.
HOYT: All three buildings are sprinkled.
SNELLING: Yes.
HOYT: Do they have basements?
SNELLING: No basements.
HOYT:
What is the building height?
SNELLING:
A story and a half (1 %2) with the largest building in back at twenty -four (24) at the
parapet.
HOYT:
What about Fire Alarms?
SNELLING:
Potentially.
HOYT:
We would like a Knox -box and Knox caps on all the buildings. Painted fire lanes
around the building and we would like to discuss additional locations for hydrants.
BROERMANN:
We have issues with the connection to Commerce Drive. We need to sit down and
review this. J. Dobosiewicz we would like you to be present at that meeting.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
Okay. The opportunity for Commerce Drive to connect out of 96 Street is
significant. Hearing Greg Hoyes' comments about some of their detention to be
designed in such a manner Clay Regional will have an opportunity to work with the
County to spread out some the cost while using TIF Dollars for the new connection.
BROERMANN:
Do you know where it will come out?
DOBOSIEWICZ:
We looked at five or six lots that we will need to acquire to make it necessary to bring
it down and connect up.
BROERMANN:
We are looking for alignment.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
We are moving in that direction.
GAJOWNIK:
No comments.
BREWER:
Sent a comment letter to Mary Solada. Falls under the US 421 Overlay and does not
meet it. Also request a meeting with a Landscape Architect. No foundation planting is
fine just increased buffering. I have some suggestion for the parking lot.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
Larger islands?
BREWER:
Yes, and more plants. Plant material must adhere to nursery stock. Diversity
comments on large Maple trees you need to punch that up regarding species.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
You have had a letter for a while I need your responses. Suggest working with Greg
Hoyes and the State on accommodating goals for Commerce Drive and TIF resources
for the Regional Drainage needs. We will push this back on the calendar to give you
the time you need but get us revised plans and a couple of meetings.
AKERS:
Need a set of Plans.
BLANCHARD:
Morris Hensley of the Carmel Utilities office will need to be contacted regarding the
well. (317) 571 -2673. A Demolition permit will be required. An application may be
obtained from the Building Code Enforcement office on the 1S floor of City Hall.
No earth moving until the demolition permit is on file. If there is an elevator in this
retail center, please contact Morris Hensley at (317) 571 -2673, for a possible well
permit. Each required accessible means of egress shall be continuous to a public way.
The exit discharge shall be illuminated at all times. Will there be a construction
trailer? If so, will need Temporary Use Application. (Pick up application at the
Division of Building Code Enforcement at City Hall on the I st floor.) A pre
submittal meeting will be required. No building permit will be issued before the pre
submittal meeting. You may get a copy of the pre submittal checklist and commercial
procedures on our website. www.ci.carmel.in.us Make sure you have all agencies
approvals prior to contacting Sarah Lillard for your pre submittal meeting
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Slillard gci.carmel.in.us Ten day permit turnaround after your pre submittal
meeting. *Please contact Jim Blanchard 571 -2450 or Jblanchardgci.carmel.in.us for
any additional comments or concerns in regard to this project.
FELTNER: Revised plans need to be submitted to the District. Building permits should NOT be
issued unless the District has issued connection permits.
...END...
Docket No. 04050039 PP: Glen Oaks Subdivision
Filed by Dave Barnes of Weihe Engineers
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS:
Dave Barnes, WEIHE ENGINEERING
Jim Langston, LANGSTON DEV ELOPMENT
The applicant seeks to plat a residential subdivision of approximately 51 lots. The site is located on West
Road, just north of West 131 st Street. The site is zoned S- I /Residence Estate. We are satisfied and petitioner
is happy but Clay Regional has had many conversations with us. Carmel Utilities and Clay Waste.
HOYES:
I sent comment letters. This will be a Regulated Drain Subdivision with a new
Regulated Drain in Belle Wood to the west. You will need to contact the property
owners to see if they are interested in becoming regulated. I have a copy of a letter
that you can use. Also keep in mind the people to the south of the site regarding
drainage.
GROVES:
This is Ron Booher's area. Need final, Auto -cad 2004 and Service Request.
SHUPPERD:
We will extent service up West Road.
HILL:
I faxed you preliminary requirements. Looking for road improvements will defer to J.
Dobosiewicz for excell/decell and passing blisters. What is the left drive offset with
the wide lane and no sidewalk?
LANGSTON:
Proposed right -of -way reduced to forty feet (40').
DOBOSIEWICZ:
In the Thoroughfare Plan there is an option for residential configuration for forty feet
(40') right -of -way with sidewalk on one side.
DUNCAN:
Drainage calcs needed.
SOUTH:
Regarding soils need to look at existing swale on Lot 24; you are not addressing that
area. You need to capture the Drain Tile under that Lot according to the TOPO off
site swale with approximately eight (8) acres of Watershed. Concern about a pond at
the north end as far as having enough water to keep it full. Would like to see
quantitative calcs on that. There is an existing sediment trap turning that into a 4 -bay
at the end of construction.
HOYT:
I sent a letter regarding hydrant markers. I would like a note on the plan stating those
will be installed. No amenity building. How do you access Lot 42 44 on Dolan
Way without making a U -turn?
LANGSTON:
We have an ingress /egress easement. Our plan is to make one cut there and a shared
drive will take you to 42 44.
HOYT:
The problem comes in when I am dragging a hose from this first hydrant down this
narrow area with this buffer that will probably have trees planted in it. I will never
make the turn without driving over these things. I would like to see this cut back
significantly for clear access in front of both 42 44.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
Without a median?
HOYT:
Yes, we do not like medians they are a hindrance to us.
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DOBOSIEWICZ: This is showing twenty feet (20') of pavement.
HOYT:
But if I have to get to Lot 44 and turn my standard truck around which is forty-nine
feet (49') long. They will be forced to go on down, turn around and come back. I will
send you my turning radius for my trucks. I am surprised that the School System has
not made comments yet. If you are going to keep it like this then it must be rolled
curbs not chair back. When we get a call we are trained to respond quickly and safely
so we will be driving over these curbs.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
What about moundable median?
HOYT:
As long as you do not plant trees because we will drive over it to get to the house and
if we drive over it other people will too. I will send you my radius and Ladder Truck
information too.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
We will work on it.
GAJOWNIK:
No comments.
BREWER:
E- mailed you D. Barnes. No plans on Open Space. Need to take out trees for CFD
that is okay with me. Preservation areas need to be clearly marked on the plans along
with utilities. Avoid chopping the trees.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
I know there is an example out there of how to make this work. There is a nice degree
of tree preservation in there and not with a rear yard swale but another way.
We want to see how you will preserve trees based on construction.
BREWER:
If that northern pond is reduced, plant trees there or a reforestation project there.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
On Lots 38, 39, 42, 43, 44, 46 47 when the water drains off the backs is there
actually a swale there before you get to the pond? We will work with Surveyor's
office and get you a formal letter. We have a couple of issues with non access
easement along West Road. West Road is going to be an Overlay you will need three
feet (3') pavement widening and stone shoulder. I assume you will not get support
from the neighbor across the street for a passing blister. I would like to see you pull
those improvements over. I show you have a three (3) lane and a decell? One more
requirement Lots 1 -4 without a waiver will need to face the street for a seventy -five
feet (75') lot line.
LANGSTON:
I thought it was fifty (50)?
DOBOSIEWICZ:
I know the Ordinance is changing maybe it has not been adopted. You guys are under
the wire it is fifty (50) today. You will need to provide an entry plan for signage and
covenants. There are changes being made to Dolan Way. I would follow up with Cort
Crosby about that. You need to label rear and side differences on the plat.
AKERS:
Need to change Letts Lane to Letts Circle it is basically a circular street.
BLANCHARD:
Are there any structures that will be removed? Any abandoned wells, septic tanks, or
fuel tanks? If so, no earth moving to take place until a demolition permit is on file
and/or Morris Hensley has been contacted. (571 -2673) Demolition permit
applications may be picked up the office of Building Code Enforcement at City
Hall, on the 1S floor. Is the subdivision open to all builders? (If the subdivision is one
builder, please contact Jim Blanchard [iblanchardgci.carmel.in.us or 571 -2450]
regarding the master permitting program.) Who will be the primary builders? What is
the approximate size /cost of the homes to be built? Will there be a construction
trailer, model home, and/or temporary sales office? If so, will need Temporary Use
Application. (Pick up application at the Division of Building Code Enforcement at
City Hall on the 1st floor.) All lots will need to be identified before we can issue any
permits. This can be lot numbers on curb, or a sign on the lot itself. Builders on lots
around the proposed pond will be required to give elevations on plot /site plan that the
lowest opening in basement will be above the 100 -year lake elevation.
FELTNER:
Sanitary sewer construction plans need to be submitted for review by the
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District's Engineers. A District project application must also be submitted. An off
site sewer extension may be needed to service this development. Please submit three
sets of plans to the District for review. An IDEM construction permit may be needed:
if so, all IDEM submittal information should be provided following the District's plan
review.
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*Docket No. 04050051 Z: Alexandria of Carmel Edward Rose Rezone
*Docket No. 04050052 ADLS: Alexandria of Carmel
Filed by Paul Reis of Drewry Simmons Pitts Vornehm
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS:
Mark Monroe, DREWRY SIMMONS PITTS VORNEHM
John Houchin, EDWARD ROSE DEVELOPMENT
Steve Hormann, EDWARD ROSE DEVELOPMENT
Sara Taylor, PAUL I CRIPE
David Lach, PAUL I CRIPE
The applicant seeks approval to rezone a property from OM/SFA Single Family Attached to OM/MF Multi
Family. The site is located southeast of Pennsylvania Street and 131 st Street and The applicant seeks
approval for multi family buildings. The site is located southeast of Pennsylvania Street and 131 st Street and
is zoned OM/MF Old Meridian Multi Family. Lighting nothing has been changed. We have distributed two
sets of plans. We are getting our site plan together and will distribute it soon.
HOYES: Part of this new proposed project falls outside the WR Fertig watershed. You will
have to hold the release rate established in phase -one.
GROVES: We will need new service request, updated site plans and Auto -cad 2004, loading and
transformer locations.
SHUPPERD: We will extend gas from the Hotel and Main Street. If you use gas we will meet onsite
to bank the meters.
HILL:
No comments on the rezone. We have had many meetings on this project. We will
reserve comment for the revised plans.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
Per ADLS approval do we have descriptions of the right -of -way on Main Street and
Pennsylvania? There are setback issues. We require a fifty feet (50) corner cut?
HILL:
45 or 50?
DOBOSIEWICZ:
Fifty (50) at the intersection coordinate with Engineering on that corner -cut.
SOUTH:
Recommend with all the construction plans the identification and abandonment of
wells and septics that are out there. Incorporate water quality practices into the plan.
We will wait for the full construction plans.
HOYT:
I will send you our turning radius information. I am guessing the construction plans
will show hydrant locations so I will wait for those.
GAJOWNIK:
No comments.
BREWER:
I sent you an E -mail M. Monroe. Buffer level for plantings was not listed on your
plans and I need to know what the plants are in order to review them. All Ash species
are restricted and not allowed. Please choose an alternate. I have a list of alternatives.
On the rezone you need to show provisions for tree preservation or mitigation.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
I sent you a letter. On the site plan we would like to see you back -out the asphalt path
to the edge of the right -of -way along Pennsylvania. Need parking breakdown. Page 15
identifies floodlights at a 90- degree cut -off we do not like to see those. The
Department does not have issue with the rezone. Need you to provide information on
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bicycle parking locations and the trash enclosure locations. Are you aware of the
additional property for sale to your east?
MONROE: Yes.
AKERS: No comments on the rezone. On the ADLS I need approx 5 -6 street names.
Where are the fronts of the buildings? We will have a meeting with Address
Committee on this project before addresses are assigned.
BLANCHARD: Are there any structures that will be removed? If so, how many? No earth moving to
take place until a demolition permit is on file. Are there any abandoned wells, septic
tanks, or fuel tanks? If so, no earth moving to take place until a demolition permit is
on file and/or Morris Hensley has been contacted. (571 -2673) Demolition permit
applications may be picked up the office of Building Code Enforcement at City
Hall, on the 1S floor. Is the subdivision open to all builders? (If the subdivision is one
builder, please contact Jim Blanchard [iblanchardgci.carmel.in.us or 571 -2450]
regarding the master permitting program.) Will these multi family units be town
homes, condominiums, or apartments? How many stories are the buildings? If it is
town home construction, we will require specific details for the two -hour fire
separation wall from the foundation to the roof. If the buildings are not sprinkled,
draft stopping shall be installed. To subdivide attic spaces not to exceed 3,000 square
feet. Show one -hour occupancy separation (wall and floor ceiling assemblies)
including attics and crawl spaces. What will be the approximate square footage from
the smallest to the largest, and what is the estimated cost. A pre submittal meeting
will be required. No building permit will be issued before the pre submittal meeting.
You may get a copy of the pre submittal checklist and commercial procedures on our
website. www.ci.carmel.in.us Make sure you have all agencies approvals prior to
contacting Sarah Lillard for your pre submittal meeting Slillard gci.carmel.in.us 10-
day permit turnaround after your pre submittal meeting. *Please contact Jim
Blanchard 571 -2450 or Jblanchardgci.carmel.in.us for any additional comments or
concerns in regard to this project.
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Docket No. 04050048 DP Amend:
North Haven, Blk D, lots 1 -2: CP Morgan Bldgs 2 3
Filed by Blair Carmosino of Duke Construction
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS:
Greg Snelling; WOOLPERT
Jeff Stone, DUKE
Brent Davis, CSO
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The applicant seeks approval to build two office buildings. The site is located at the northwest of 96th Street
and Gray Rd. The site is zoned R -5 /Residence. This came through in 2001. This is their Headquarters'
building. Today we are defming the locations of the buildings.
HOYES: We have a regulated drain north of here. You fall in the jurisdiction of Carmel.
GROVES: IP L, but we do have overhead transmission lines running on your side of the road.
SHUPPERD: We can get gas to the Headquarters off Gray Road. We will need a service request
and load requirements to Jerry Breech.
HILL: I faxed you comments. Sanitary sewers are served by Carmel. Additional availability
will be required. I have laid out typical connection fees for office type buildings. I
believe all the availability acreage fees are paid up front. We would like for you to
supply us with additional contour elevations on the grading plan to give us a better
idea on drainage flow include the parking. On the plat the survey reference is
Mayflower Park.
SNELLING: We will revise that.
HILL: Is the monumentation complete?
SNELLING: With an iron pin?
DOBOSIEWICZ: Yes.
HILL: This will be approved by the Board of Works. On the plans you show eight -inch (8
laterals?
SNELLING:
We were trying to avoid a main extension. After Utilities comments we will extend the
main and run two (2) laterals but because of the depth of the sewers one will be an
eight inch (8 and flatten slope trying to keep it at four or five percent. Then for the
main extension we will require Performance Guarantees.
SOUTH:
I faxed you my comments. Storm Water Pollution Prevention Plan is not approved.
There are a couple of issues that are address by my letter. Justification is weak on the
pond. The pond is adequate but I need more info on the existing pond.
HOYT:
I sent you a fax. I would like for us to sit down to discuss additional hydrants. How
many stories. Will they have basements?
SNELLING:
One -story and no basements.
HOYT:
We would like a Knox -box on each of the buildings. No alarms just a flow switch for
the sprinklers?
SNELLING:
That is correct.
BREWER:
No letter yet. After comparing the plans from 2001 to the new plans, there is a
significant reduction in the amount of green space and trees from the plans. In the
parking area there were 127 trees on the old and 55 on the new. Need to get that
number back. Overhead lines need to be shown on plans. You have species problems.
You show only three geniuses, show more diversity. On the graphic tree planting
details it should read plant root flare at grade level.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
C200 complete construction of sidewalk along the south side entrance and one
additional connection to the ten feet path along the frontage. Then on the west side of
the proposed building on lot one and provide a walk down for people to get to the CP
Morgan building. I will look for resolution on landscaping with S. Brewer. We will
get you a formal letter this week. Identify building setbacks. Parking 18 times
whatever our Ordinance requires 9 x 20 or 10 x 18, work that out and on the other
side make sure your landscaping is not adjacent to the parking lot.
AKERS:
Need to change Letts Lane to Letts Circle. It is basically a circular street.
FELTNER:
Sanitary sewer construction plans need to be submitted for review by the District's
Engineers. A District project application must also be submitted. An off -site sewer
extension may be needed to service this development. Please submit three sets of
plans to the District for review. An IDEM construction permit may be needed: if so,
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all IDEM submittal information should be provided following the District's plan
review.
BLANCHARD: Will both buildings be built at the same time? If not, what is the time frame for each?
The means of egress, including the exit discharge, shall be illuminated at all time the
building space served by the means of egress is occupied. Will there be a construction
trailer, model home, and/or temporary sales office? If so, will need Temporary Use
Application. (Pick up application at he Division of Building Code Enforcement at
City Hall on the 1st floor.) A pre submittal meeting will be required. No building
permit will be issued before the pre submittal meeting. You may get a copy of the
pre submittal checklist and commercial procedures on our website.
www.ci.carmel.in.us Make sure you have all agencies approvals prior to contacting
Sarah Lillard for your pre submittal meeting Slillard gci.carmel.in.us Ten day permit
turnaround after your pre submittal meeting. *Please contact Jim Blanchard 571-
2450 or Jblanchardgci.carmel.in.us for any additional comments or concerns in
regard to this project.
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Docket No. 04050046 ADLS: Greyhound Commons, Ph II Fox Hound
Filed by Blaine Paul of American Consulting, Inc
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS:
Paul Blaine, ACE
The applicant seeks approval to build a restaurant building. The site is located southeast US Highway
31 and 146th Street. The site is zoned PUD /Planned Unit Development. Grading is complete. Design
has not changed.
HOYES:
No comments.
GROVES:
You show a five by five (5 x 5) transformer pad that is more like eight feet (8')
conduit we do not like more than two to three bands. The connection needs to be in
the grassy area not under pavement. Are you the Engineer?
BLAINE:
Yes.
GROVES:
Let's get together on the conduit layout. Minimize the bends and pick up lines some
place.
BLAINE:
We have been guessing at the point of access.
GROVES:
We have a pad buried and so we should meet.
SHUPPERD:
We received the load sheet for the restaurant. We will extend service from Lowes.
HILL:
After BZA or Plan Commission approval you will need Board of Works approval for
water availability for the restaurant. I will need number of seats to calculate the
connection fee. When we approved Greyhound Commons and Abuelo's I did not
know those plans included all of the development. I did not think they included the
entire development.
BLAINE:
They did and submitted detailed plans for each individual project.
HILL:
Original plan shows one water tap and these plans show a different location.
BLAINE:
We will not know until later. Then we will update.
DUNCAN:
Does the parking support what you have?
BLAIN:
I believe it is yes and we are addressing it.
HOYT:
Is the building sprinkled?
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BLAINE: Yes.
HOYT: If we could set up a meeting to discuss location of the hookup. Typically we like to
see a hydrant within fifty feet (50) of the hookup.
BLAINE: What about moving the hydrant to the island to the east?
HOYT:
That is okay but you will need to give up that parking place. I will need clear access.
BLAINE:
Define clear access.
HOYT:
Two (2) guys pulling a five -inch hose. We typically ask for an exterior entrance to the
Riser Room. We would like a Knox -box on the building. Is this a single -story
building?
BLAINE:
Yes.
HOYT:
Basement?
BLAINE:
No.
HOYT:
Occupant load 300? You will need a full fire alarm system.
BREWER:
Talked with Kathleen yesterday about getting me a complete parking lot and site
plans. Need a graphic tree planting detail on the plan. It would be nice if in front you
planted two shade trees, maybe add one by the patio.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
Provide allowable sign size. Wall packs modified to ninety (90) degree cut-off. We
will look for revised for the parking to reduce the number. Need a black and white
showing the rooftop monitoring equipment.
BLAINE:
Is it permitted for two signs one on the east and one on the west?
DOBOSIEWICZ:
It would require a variance to place it on the north side. Let me think about the
variance. I will get back to you.
SOUTH:
No Rule Five permit required.
BLANCHARD:
The means of egress, including the exit discharge, shall be illuminated at all
times. Will there be a construction trailer, model home, and /or temporary sales
office? If so, will need Temporary Use Application. (Pick up application at he
Division of Building Code Enforcement at City Hall on the 1st floor.) A pre
submittal meeting will be required. No building permit will be issued before the
pre submittal meeting. You may get a copy of the pre submittal checklist and
commercial procedures on our website www.ci.carmel.in.us Make sure you have
all agencies approvals prior to contacting Sarah Lillard for your pre submittal
meeting Slillard gci.carmel.in.us Ten day permit turnaround after your pre
submittal meeting. *Please contact Jim Blanchard 571 -2450 or
Jblanchardgci.carmel.in.us for any additional comments or concerns in regard to this
project.
AKERS:
This will be addressed off of Lowes Way, as will the other three buildings on the
property.
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Docket No. 04050053 DP /ADLS: North Meridian Medical Pavilion
Filed by Tom Eagley of Lauth Property Group
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS:
David George, ACE
Mike Hartman, LAUTH
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The applicant seeks approval for a medical/office building, located northwest of Old Meridian Street and
Meridian Street (US 31). The site is zoned B -3 and B-6/Business, within the US 31 Overlay Zone. This will
be a one building Medical Center with access off of US 31. It will have a drive off of a frontage road. We
have associated parking for the medical building itself.
DOBOSIEWICZ: The footprint will change but will the parking?
GEORGE:
No.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
The pond is getting bigger. The building is getting bigger. This site may change
GROVES:
because Illinois Street is coming through there. It may come back to TAC.
HOYES:
I would suggest we wait until the plans are finalized. Owned and leased by Lauth then
GEORGE:
the storm sewer will remain private?
GEORGE:
Yes.
HOYES:
Before you get an improvement outlet we will want to see the offsite easement.
GEORGE:
The pond is where now?
GEORGE:
I received a letter from the State saying the frontage road is no longer the County's
SHUPPERD:
and the County says by annexation it is no longer theirs. Now Carmel's build -to line
HILL:
is twenty feet (20) off the right -of -way. Essentially, it has brought the building closer
to the corridor and the pond was completely in the wrong place. Now everything
GEORGE:
flows downhill and to the corner and they are in the low end and in the right spot for
HOYES:
grading. Parking ration is still four per thousand and meets the ordinance.
HOYT:
I based my comments on plans that are no longer any good so I will wait on the
DUNCAN:
finalized version.
GEORGE:
Can we get revised plans to you and come sit down with you?
HOYT:
Okay.
GROVES:
New Service Request form for loading, hard copy, Auto -cad 2004, meter set, we need
to be within ten feet (10') of pavement.
GEORGE:
Can it be underground?
GROVES:
Unless you get the Ritz to agree to it, not likely. It will cost extra and we use
easements not a right -of -way.
GEORGE:
Is that an exclusive easement?
GROVE:
No.
SHUPPERD:
We have a gas main out there. We will need load requirements to size meter.
HILL:
I already sent a comment letter to you. Needless to say, I did not realize it is ours.
Could I get a copy of that letter?
GEORGE:
Yes.
HOYES:
Have you seen the INDOT plans for US 31?
GEORGE:
Yes, they are not asking a lot of us.
DUNCAN:
If you can change the comments from INDOT to the City of Carmel. You show the
Sanitary Force Main off your property why is that?
GEORGE:
We can do that.
DUNCAN: Will the Water Company require an easement there? At this point it will be in our
right -of -way.
SOUTH: The Storm Water Pollution Prevention Plan is not approved yet. Some of the
revisions will be a positive change. Building the pond on the west side will possibly
make a diversion along the west side directing water into it to address the perimeter
flow issues. Show some of your erosion sediment control for your off -site storm
sewer primarily inlet protection and seeding. Look at your sequencing more directly
on this site. The dry detention pond practices do not mesh with post construction
water quality practices. Pave side ditch, relationship of your inlets and outlets are
close.
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HOYT:
I would like to schedule a meeting to look at your new drawings. I like to see
additional fire hydrant connections and they need to be within fifty feet (50'). How
many stories?
GOERGE:
Three.
HOYT:
I would like an Enunciator Panel and Knox -box added to the building. I will need an
elevation and utility plan.
BREWER:
Revised drawing will change my comments and I will send you a letter. There are
preservation requirements in the US 31 Overlay that will apply. I know the plan has
been to clear -cut and grade. I just want to remind you that this is the second project in
close proximity where you have taken a fully wooded site, clear -cut it. You will need
to landscape heavier than required or preserve existing trees or you will have a large
public outcry. Is the twenty feet (20') setback you now have does include the
greenbelt in the front along frontage road? When the freeway upgrades is there any
reason the entrance needs to be aligned?
GOERGE:
We will meet with you separately.
BREWER:
I would like to see a table with the buffer yard requirements verses the buffer yard
plantings that are proposed. Northeast corner there are no plantings in those areas so
you need to change that. Also, there is a US 31 requirement for the parking lot shade
tree screening. I have asked your Arborist Consultant to inventory those areas
required.
DOBOSIEWICZ:
Get with Scott Brewer to make sure you conform to that ordinance. If you need to do
the waiver then you will need to meet with Scott to determine what will work. We
sent you a letter. Make a determination on required sidewalk along frontage road.
Work with Engineering on that. Get your revised plans as soon as you can. If you are
ready for the Public Hearing in July than you will need to get your comments back to
us as soon as possible. Provide a sidewalk connection at the front of the building west
as a pedestrian path.
BLANCHARD:
Are there any abandoned wells, septic tanks, or fuel tanks? If so, no earth moving to
take place until a demolition permit is on file and/or Morris Hensley has been
contacted. (571 -2673) Demolition permit applications may be picked up the office
of Building Code Enforcement at City Hall, on the 1S floor. If there is an elevator
to be installed, please contact Morris Hensley at (317) 571 -2673, for a possible well
permit. Each required accessible means of egress shall be continuous to a public way.
The means of egress, including the exit discharge, shall be illuminated at all times the
building space served by the means of egress is occupied. Will there be a construction
trailer, model home, and/or temporary sales office? If so, will need Temporary Use
Application. (Pick up application at he Division of Building Code Enforcement at
City Hall on the 1st floor.) A pre submittal meeting will be required. No building
permit will be issued before the pre submittal meeting. You may get a copy of the
pre submittal checklist and commercial procedures on our website
www.ci.carmel.in.us Make sure you have all agencies approvals prior to contacting
Sarah Lillard for your pre submittal meeting Slillard gci.carmel.in.us Ten day permit
turnaround after your pre submittal meeting. *Please contact Jim Blanchard 571-
2450 or Jblanchardgci.carmel.in.us for any additional comments or concerns in
regard to this project.
AKERS:
Contact me for address on the project.
FELTNER:
Building permit should NOT be issued be issued unless the District has issued a
connection permit and any work on the sewer connection will require a District permit
and inspection. A District project application needs to be submitted along with
construction plans for review.
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Docket Nos. 04060002 SUA and 04060003 V: Carmel Lutheran Church Expansion
Filed by Larry Kemper of Nelson Frankenberger
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS:
Larry Kemper, NELSON FRANKENBERGER
Mike Engledow, SCHMIDT ASSOCIATES
Jamie Shinneman, WHEIHE ENGINEERS
The applicant seeks special use amendment and development standards variance approval for a church
expansion, located at 4850 East 131S Street. The site is zoned S- 1 /Resience Low Density.
HOYES:
Drainage calcs looking good. Site currently outlets into a roadside ditch. Is Carmel
comfortable with that?
HILL:
We will look at that.
GROVES:
We have a 300 KVA transformer out there. Are you feeding from existing?
ENGLEDOW:
Yes.
SHUPPERD:
Will you be adding gas equipment for heating? We will need size and meter load.
HILL:
There are a few Board of Works approvals required for this. The curb -cut
modifications there may be additional water and sewer. The rights -of -way for Gray
Road and 131S Street are proposed?
SHINNEMAN:
Forty feet (40') dedicated so far but believe we are looking at an old document. What
should they be?
DUNCAN:
Forty-five (45) on Gray Road.
HILL:
The plans indicate a section of sidewalk that is not there.
SHINNEMAN:
I am sure it is there it just did not show up.
HILL:
We will want a drainage meeting with you and the City Engineer.
SOUTH:
Spill prevention plan still needs to be upgraded. You are showing a catch basin insert
for storm water quality. I do not remember it on the plan.
HOYT:
I sent a letter to J. Shinneman. The sprinkler line going into the building will they
retrofit the areas of the new construction with sprinklers and include the area at the
opposite end?
ENGLEDOW:
Yes.
HOYT:
If you do not already have a Knox -box we will want one on it. Will there be a
basement and two stories?
ENGLEDOW:
Yes and 2000 square feet basement.
BREWER: No letter to you yet. Talked with Shaun Ryan, none of the landscaping plants are on
the plans need those revised. Any conflicts with easements and overhead lines need to
be shown on the plans. Show sewer lines too with your landscaping. Need to move
plant material into the entrance planting areas. You area losing a lot of trees along
131S Street, you will need to replace those somehow. Parking lot islands have to meet
a minimum so make them larger.
SHINNEMAN: What are you looking for?
BREWER: Nine feet (9) wide islands are too small. Small islands equal small trees no matter
what the species. Show graphic tree planting details for the protection area. If you
show the limits of construction make sure the tree protection is outside that area. You
will be installing a new privacy fence I would like you to show graphically that you
will make no impact on the existing trees during installation.
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BUTLER: I sent a review letter out to you. I will wait on your comments.
BLANCHARD: Will there be an elevator? If there is an elevator to be installed, please contact Morris
Hensley at (317) 571 -2673, for the possible well permit. The means of egress,
including the exit discharge, shall be illuminated at all times. Will there be a
construction trailer, model home, and/or temporary sales office? If so, will need
Temporary Use Application. (Pick up application at he Division of Building Code
Enforcement at City Hall on the 1st floor.) A pre submittal meeting will be required.
No building permit will be issued before the pre submittal meeting. You may get a
copy of the pre submittal checklist and commercial procedures on our website
www.ci.carmel.in.us Make sure you have all agencies approvals prior to contacting
Sarah Lillard for your pre submittal meeting Slillard gci.carmel.in.us Ten day permit
turnaround after your pre submittal meeting. *Please contact Jim Blanchard 571-
2450 or Jblanchardgci.carmel.in.us for any additional comments or concerns in
regard to this project.
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Docket No. 04060005 SP: Lakeside Park, Sec 3 Secondary Plat
Filed by Dennis Olmstead of Stoeppelwerth Assoc
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS:
Ed Fleming, STOEPPELWERTH.COM
Ray Rohling,
The petitioner seeks to plat 33 residential lots on 17 acres The site is located southwest of 141S Street and
Towne Rd and is zoned S- I Residence Estate.
HOYES: No plans, no comments.
GROVES: Ron Booher is your contact. We will need Auto -cad and a new service request.
HILL: I fax you my comments. You are now in the City of Carmel. You will need Board of
Works approvals, Performance Guarantees, and Engineer's approvals.
HOYT: No plans, no comments.
BREWER: I talked with Ray Roehling yesterday. I need an engineered plan of this section. On
the graphic planting detail show "root flare" planted at grade level. No longer allow
Ash species. Please substitute.
BUTLER: Sent you a review letter Friday.
AKERS: No comments, in process of addressing.
FELTNER: Sanitary sewer construction plans need to be submitted for review by the District's Engineers.
A District project application must also be submitted. Please submit three sets of plans to the
District for review. An IDEM construction permit may be needed: if so, all IDEM submittal
information should be provided following the District's plan review.
...END...
Docket No. 04060006 SP: The Ridge at Hayden Run, Sec 3 Secondary Plat
Filed by Dennis Olmstead of Stoeppelwerth Assoc
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS:
Ed Fleming, STOEPPELWERTH
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Steve Cook, TRINITY HOMES
The petitioner seeks to plat 47 residential lots on 30.8 acres The site is located southeast of 141S Street and
Shelborne Road and is zoned S -1 Residence Estate.
HOYES: No plans, no comments.
GROVES: This is Ron Booher's area. Auto -cad and service request, lot sizes.
HILL: This is the City of Carmel. I outlined our requirements in my letter to you. What is
the purpose of the median in the collector?
FLEMING: To slow traffic.
HILL: Walkouts and basements?
COOK: Just basements.
HILL: I noticed the emergency flood route. Is this in an emergency flood route and should
there be minimum flood protection grade on some of those houses?
HOYES: The ordinance requires it
HILL: We also noticed pipes terminate in the middle of a lot, between two lots in the yard
with rip -wrap. Traditional we have all kinds of problems with this. Is there any
alternative?
HOYES: Is there a possibility for beehives?
DUNCAN: I made a note on structures 151 152 there is less than twelve inches from the top of
the pipe to the bottom of the pavement aggregate. I need to review this to determine
our position.
HOYT: I sent you a letter. Will this have an amenity building?
FLEMING: No.
BREWER: Show on the plans "root flare" comment needs to read "planted at grade You have
quite a number of Ash species. You show ninety -three (93) for the whole
development. You need to substitute that species. Show overhead lines, utility lines
and drainage easements etc.
BUTLER: I sent you a review letter Friday.
FELTNER: Sanitary sewer construction plans need to be submitted for review by the District's E
engineers. A District project application must also be submitted. Please submit three
sets of plans to the District for review. An IDEM construction permit may be needed:
if so, all IDEM submittal information should be provided following the District's plan
review.
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Docket No. 04060007 SP: The Trails at Hayden Run Secondary Plat
Filed by Dennis Olmstead of Stoeppelwerth Assoc.
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONERS:
Ed Fleming, STOEPPELWERTH
Todd Schaefer, CENTEX
The petitioner seeks to plat 65 residential lots on 40 acres The site is located northwest of 141S Street and
Towne Rd and is zoned S -I Residence Estate (ROSO). We are doing this in one section. Utilities, sewer will
be extended from the southeast corner of the job into this site.
HOYES: No comment letter yet. We do have problems with the seventeen (17) interconnected
ponds. We are getting complaints at the original Hayden Run. I will get you a
comment letter as soon as I can.
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GROVES:
This is Ron Booher's area. He will need Auto -cad, new service request, home sizes, if
it is gas or electric.
HILL:
I sent you a comment letter. This is the first submission to the Trails there is not
another existing section on the Trails?
FLEMING:
That is correct.
HILL:
On the Site Development Plan why is the acceleration lane taper showing existing?
FLEMING:
Because it was installed with The Ridge along with the passing blister.
HOYT:
Amenity building?
FLEMING:
No.
BREWER:
This is a better plan but needs planting details and notes on the plan. You have thirty-
six (36) different Ash trees. You need to substitute the Ash for an alternative. I think
there are overhead lines on 141S Street. We may have conflicts with buffer yard
plantings. You can move those back if they are in conflict. Move to the berm or
between the berm. You also show twenty -one (2 1) Green Spire Linden they are
susceptible to Japanese Beetles. I suggest replacing with American Bass Wood or
Sterling Silver Linden.
FELTNER:
Sanitary sewer construction plans need to be submitted for review by the District's
Engineers. A District project application must also be submitted. Please submit three
sets of plans to the District for review. An IDEM construction permit may be needed:
if so, all IDEM submittal information should be provided following the District's plan
review.
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