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Minutes
August 18, 2004
REPRESENTING THE CITY OF CARMEL:
John Dobosiewicz, Planning Zoning
Nick Redden, Engineering
Angelina Butler, Planning Zoning
Chuck Shupperd, Vectren Energy
Scott Brewer, Urban Forester
John South, County Soil Water
Bill Akers, 911 Communications
Mark Westermeier, Parks Department
Steve Broermann, County Highway
Sue Dillon, Parks Department
Gary Duncan, Engineering
Dean Groves, Cinergy
Judy Hagan, Township Trustee
Dick Hill, Engineering
Greg Hoyes, County Surveyor's
Gary Hoyt, Fire Department
Candy Feltner, Clay Regional Waste
Via e -mail: Candy Feltner, Clay Regional Waste
Page 3. Carmel Clay Central Park (Site Development Plan)
Page 6. Carmel Science Tech Park, Block 14, lot 1- Options Charter School
Docket No. 04070019 UV
Page 7. Docket No. 04070034 Z: Traditions on the Monon PUD
Page 9. Docket Nos. 04070035 Z and 04070036 DP /ADLS: Monon Main
Page 11. Docket Nos. 04070037 Z and 04070038 ADLS: 96th Street Office Park
Page 12. Kite Medical Office Complex, Phase 2
Page 13. Docket No. 04070033 DP /ADLS: St. Vincent Medical Office Building
Page 15. Mayflower Park, Block 6, lot 2 Ed Martin
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Page 16. Carmel High School Marching Band Tower
17. Carmel Clay School West Side Transportation Facility
Page 18. Docket No. 04080015 PP Amend: Heather Knoll Subdivision
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Carmel Clay Central Park (Site Development Plan)
Filed by Carmel Clay Parks Department
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER:
John Blackketter, SCHNEIDER CORPORATION
Kent Forman, GEUPEL DEMARS HAGERMAN
Gary Smith, GEUPEL DEMARS HAGERMAN
Steve Baker, SUMMIT CONSTRUCTION
Frank Parisi, WILLIAMS ARCHITECTS
Charlie Wilson, MERIDIAN ENGINEERING
Barry Simpson, MERIDIAN ENGINEERING
Gabe Courier, MERIDIAN ENGINEERING
Randy Michelski, JGR
Bill Wood, CIVIL ENGINEER
Mark Woernle, JF NEW
Comes now Carmel Clay Central Park, Site Development Plan. The site is located between the
northeast corner of College Avenue and 1 11 Street. This project will entail several buildings, a
Recreation Center, Family Aquatics, a Special Events Pavilion, Toilet Shelters, and a Heritage
Pavilion. We have recently compiled a bid release inclusive of the building pad and partial site
grading package.
Blackketter: We have schematic layouts for sanitary sewers to a specific vertical design, water
line layout and water pressure calculations based on demand for each building.
Gas, electric and telephone data has been collected. Overall grades to the project
have been put together by B.Wood with Smith Group JGR. We know we are
serving the Monon Recreation Center, which will be the biggest component to
this Park. We are aware of the high pressure gas main across the project and to
take care in grading above with utilities below.
Hoyes: J. Blackketter, I just received yesterday the plans and drainage calcs. I will get with
Kent Ward on these. One comment I have is the Richard Moffitt Drain will need to
be reconstruction as it serves drainage for College Avenue and 111 Street. You
could route it directly west and then north along the road.
Blackketter: Is it at all available for vacation? We will be pouring all the water into the lagoon.
Hoyes: We can check into that. We will get you a comment letter.
Groves: We talked about this last month. I did not get any site plans.
Shupperd: We talked about this a couple of months ago there is issue with the high pressure
mains, encroachments, and the type of equipment going over those lines. We
would want a list of equipment. We are also concerned about line depths. This is a
thirty- year -old line. We need to get together for meter load and set up
requirements. We will want to know every water, sewer and, conduit crossing
with a case -by -case depths and cross sections.
Blackketter: We will have a lot of equipment crossing out there.
South: I would like to see construction broken down into segments. I would like to see
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areas constructed and finished instead of tearing up the whole site to minimi the
amount of sediment produced. You have three distinct discharge points, one at
111 Street and two culverts on the Monon. Look closer for the need for sediment
basins. Need more detail, calcs and, drawings to show the appropriate amount of
sediment basin is provided in those areas. Beef up seeding specs. Need a copy of
the specs. Future building pads and site work will require additional Erosion
Control Plan. Water quality aspects, be more specific in what you are doing for
water quality. You need to include in your Erosion Control Plan the use of any
offsite sewer, water, gas, and utility.
Blackketter: All utilities are onsite or perimeter.
South: The access road from the east, if it is for construction will need to be shown on the
plans.
Brewer: Who is your Landscape contact?
Blackketter: Randy Michelski with JGR.
Brewer: You do not show any species specified. I will get with Parks and have
ongoing comments. Issue with planting details and I will get with you on
those as well.
Hill/Redden: I have a comment letter for you after this review. I will hi -lite a few issues.
Need drainage calcs. Submit all civil plans on 24' x 36'. Show existing
rights -of -ways along all the thoroughfare frontages. The right -of -way per
the Thoroughfare plan on College Avenue is forty -five feet (45') half, 111
Street is forty feet (40') half, Westfield is a forty feet (40') half and 116
Street is a seventy feet (70') half. Label all City entrances and roadways on
the plans. What is the path requirement J. Dobosiewicz?
Dobosiewicz: Alternative Transportation Path (ATP) is a ten feet (10') asphalt path along
all four perimeters.
Hill/Redden: Align the entrances off of College Avenue, 111 Street and, Westfield
Boulevard so the left turn movements are aligned with left turn movements
on the existing subdivisions. Secondary access on 116 Street will be right
in/right -out only. Looking at connecting the existing auxiliary lanes on the
opposite sides of 111th Street and College Avenue. Please provide
entrance /exits auxiliary lane provision for left turn lanes on the main line
streets at the entrances at College, 111 and, Westfield Boulevard. College
is a Secondary Arterial with 111 and Westfield Boulevard Collector
streets. We will have more comments as we go along.
Hoyt: Basement planned in any buildings?
Blackketter: No.
Hoyt: I need a set of plans that show water distribution and Fire Hydrant
locations.
Akers: I will require another meeting with you for street naming of the interior
streets and addressing issues for the buildings and shelters.
Dobosiewicz: The ATP and requirement for the ten feet (10') asphalt path along the
perimeter. If the Parks Department has an alternative to that requirement I
would suggest that is presented to the appropriate committee and an
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amendment made to the Comprehensive Plan that would support the
alternative.
Westermeier:
At COAT?
Dobosiewicz:
Yes, that would be the appropriate committee for that. They would ask for
a Sponsor for a Comp Plan Amendment that would bring that before the
Plan Commission and ultimately the City Council. With regard to access to
the site we would expect Passing Blisters or auxiliary lanes not
encumbering through lanes, and turning movements at all proposed
entrances. In addition to that, I am not sure if we have been out to view the
condition of 111 Street. It would be typical that we would ask a
Developer of a site to provide for road widening to bring those perimeter
streets up to a minimum standard in particular, 111 Street and College
Avenue. Regards to parking spaces we would like the petitioner to give us
information on what is provided, the Industry standard and, what our
ordinance standard requires onsite.
Baker:
There is a bid package out on for September 2, on the mass earthwork for
the building pad on the Community Rec. Center. Our goal is to mobilize in
October to move dirt. Do we need to come back for an ILP?
Dobosiewicz:
You want to work with the individual agencies to satisfy their comments
from this meeting.
Baker:
Are we good for this time frame?
Dobosiewicz:
It will be up to you whether you can get those comments answered. You
will need to meet with Jeff Kendall in Building and Code Enforcement and
discuss with him the pre submittal process.
Blackketter:
Now this bid package that we referred to is mass earthwork plan with some
sanitary sewer work. No other utilities are being constructed, no other
surfaces. This is the only improvement at that time.
Dobosiewicz:
If you want to segment with mass earthwork is phase one, get that
permitting process started that would be appropriate. We do not have a
permit for earthwork and you are risking final approval.
Baker:
We still need an ILP?
Dobosiewicz:
Yes.
Feltner:
An overall set of sewer plans sanitary sewer construction plans needs to be
submitted for review. Please submit two sets of plans to the District for
review by the District's engineers. District project application needs to be
completed and sent to the District. An IDEM construction permit will be
needed. All IDEM submittal information should be provided following the
District's plan review. Comments were faxed to project engineers.
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Carmel Science Tech Park, Block 14, lot 1- Options Charter School
Docket No. 04070019 UV Chapter 20D.01
Filed by Scott Wyatt of Campbell Kyle Proffitt
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER:
Scott Wyatt, CAMPBELL KYLE PROFFITT
Kevin Davis, OPTIONS EDUCATION
Ken Keltner, LLC
Comes now Carmel Science and Tech Park, Block 14, Lot 1 Options Charter School. The
applicant seeks Use Variance approval for a charter school. The site is located at 530 West
Carmel Drive and is zoned M- 3/Manufacturing Park District. The property and building already
exists. We will be relocating an existing school from 340 Ridge Point Drive. After the legislation
was passed Carmel was the Sponsor and they required us to go through the process getting the
proper Use Variance. The reason behind relocation is they wanted larger and better resources.
There is an Academy Plus in the area already. We do not believe it will have any adverse impact
on parking but if at any time it becomes an issue they will bus students in from another location.
The student limit is 130. They do attract students outside the area but the majority will be from
Carmel.
Hoyes:
No comments.
Groves:
No comments.
Shupperd:
No comments.
South:
No comments.
Hill:
No comments. Is this in the existing Corporate Headquarters?
Keltner:
Yes.
Brewer:
No comments.
Hoyt:
Do you know if this is mastered or separate?
Kelnter:
Best lock with separate master keys.
Akers:
No comments.
Dobosiewicz: We are requesting the installation of a sidewalk or path across the frontage
of Carmel Drive prepare a site plan for the review by the BZA.
Keltner: Who is requesting the sidewalk?
Dobosiewicz: The City.
Keltner: When we originally built that building the City approved the building site
without the sidewalk. They contracted with Browning Investments for
$5,000.00 (five thousand dollar) Bond Issue for the sidewalk development.
Speaking with the President of Browning Investments, Scott Hershman the
City failed to exercise their option and let the Bond expire six (6) years
ago. I think it is the City's responsibility.
Dobosiewicz: I am glad you conveyed that the Department will be requesting that the
BZA approves the Use Variance subject to the installation of the sidewalk
by the property owner. Sidewalk is not a City requirement it is a
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development standard and if sidewalk was not installed at the time of
original construction. We area making that request today and it will be a
"conditions subject to" our recommendations to the BZA.
Feltner: Application needs to be submitted to the District to determine if this
changes the GPD that have been filed for this location. Additional fees
may be due. District permit must be completed before Carmel issues
building permit. Comments were e- mailed to Scott Wyatt.
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Docket No. 04070034 Z: Traditions on the Monon PUD
Filed by Jim Shinaver of Nelson Frankenberger
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER:
Jim Shinaver, NELSON FRANKENBERGER
David Leazenby, BUCKINGHAM PROPERTIES
Gary Murray, MID STATES ENGINEERING
Chad Karum, MID STATES ENGINEERING
Shaun Sullivan, CENTEX HOMES
CITIZEN AUDIT:
Shane Carney 110 8 th Street
Comes now Traditions on the Monon, PUD. The applicant seeks to rezone approximately 11
acres from R -1 /Residence and B -2 /Business Classifications to Planned Unit Development (PUD).
The site is located northwest of 136th Street and Range Line Road. This will be a Townhome
development and Centex will be the builder. We will be coming back for through TAC for the
Development Plan.
Hoyes:
I sent G. Murray a letter, no comments.
Dobosiewicz:
The proposal is to over detain on the west side of the Monon to allow this
type of direct discharge.
Hoyes:
No.
Groves:
No comments on the rezone.
Shupperd:
No comments.
South:
Flood -way or plain on the site?
Karum:
Yes.
South:
Please show it. Soils are manageable. Consider storm water quality
detention basin on site?
Karum:
We are considering catch basin.
South:
Recommend storage with stone and pavers. This does not change any site
details it changes nonporous pavement to porous pavement.
Brewer:
The idea behind this porous pavement is to put it on top of structural soils
so you can have a rooting structure, rooting areas underneath the porous
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Hoyt: Okay, what is the height of the building?
Karum: Three (3) story.
Hoyt: Fire walls and sprinkled?
Karum: No.
Hoyt: I need a set of plans for water distribution and hydrant locations. Is there
an amenity building?
Karum: Not at this time.
Dobosiewicz: Can you prepare an exhibit that shows that club area with that template
exercise on the site plan with turn movements?
Hoyt: I think that is a great idea.
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pavement. It also took care of storm water. I did not get a copy of the
PUD. With a PUD we ask that they meet or exceed current ordinances. It
does not currently meet the standards. You will want my comments earlier
than later.
Dobosiewicz:
We must have a standard in place for landscaping before you get to the
Plan Commission. We need you to provide to us in the language of the
PUD that you are going to meet perimeter buffering requirements, parking
lot screening, interior plantings, and give us a number you are comfortable
with.
Shinaver:
You will receive the amended PUD to address these items. Please send us a
comment letter when you do receive it.
Brewer:
Minor comments on planting details, species comments, and screening.
Dobosiewicz:
You will want to screen more between the uses to the east, the funeral
home, the PSI property, the cemetery is to the north.
Brewer:
You show four (4) sidewalks to the Monon are you intending to keep the
buffering along the Monon?
Leazenby:
Yes and we have revised that down to one.
Hill:
Sending comments to you. Are you providing onsite detention?
Karum:
We will be creating a pond west of the Monon so that this flows to the
east, by the time we outlet this the effect at Range Line is zero.
Hill:
You will need to provide drainage calcs with that. This will have normal
Board of Works approval, curb cuts, sewer, and water.
Karum:
We have a meeting set up already.
Hill:
We will also want to see some performance guarantees set up. We do not
like to see narrow streets with sharp radiuses. Are these private streets?
Leazenby:
Yes.
Hill:
We will be looking at our standard entrance requirements for a -cell/d -cell,
and passing blisters. There is a need for right -of -way dedication here.
Range Line Road will require additional right -of -way dedication. I will give
you a comment letter.
Hoyt:
I will be sending you a copy of our turning radiuses. Curbing is it chair
back?
Karum:
Rolled.
Hoyt: Okay, what is the height of the building?
Karum: Three (3) story.
Hoyt: Fire walls and sprinkled?
Karum: No.
Hoyt: I need a set of plans for water distribution and hydrant locations. Is there
an amenity building?
Karum: Not at this time.
Dobosiewicz: Can you prepare an exhibit that shows that club area with that template
exercise on the site plan with turn movements?
Hoyt: I think that is a great idea.
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Akers:
For street name purposes I will need at least seven (7) to ten (10) names
for now.
Dobosiewicz:
We have someone here from the public. Sir, I would like you to state your
name for the record.
Carney:
My name is Shane Carney. I am surrounded by this development and I just
wanted to listen in.
Dobosiewicz:
All of our issues have been addressed. There are some extra things that
have come up as a part of this meeting for preliminary discussion regarding
drainage. I would like you to take a look at and report to the appropriate
TAC members, information on the opportunity for some innovative storm
water management practices to incorporate into your proposal as well as,
the turning radius. Include this in your packet to the Plan Commission. We
are seeing more townhomes and attached single family products. Can you
G. Hoyt investigate the possibility of our modifying the standard regarding
sprinklers and alarms, when the current standard requires smoke alarms
only? Do you think the standard should be that units like these that are
interconnected should have an attached alarm to notify everyone in the
building that a fire has been detected in another part of the unit?
Hoyt:
I think it would help us tremendously to know what building we are going
to. Providence at Old Meridian is becoming a difficulty knowing where to
respond.
Dobosiewicz:
We do need to sit down and talk about this.
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Docket Nos. 04070035 Z and 04070036 DP /ADLS: Monon Main
Filed by Jim Shinaver of Nelson Frankenberger
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER:
Jim Shinaver, NELSON FRANKENBERGER
Gary Murray, MID STATES ENGINEERING
David Leazenby, EDEN LAND COMPANY
Chad Karum, MID STATES ENGINEERING
Comes now Monon Main, Development Plan/ADLS and Rezone. We are amending this project
from a straight Rezone to a Planned Unit Development, (PUD). The applicant seeks to rezone
approximately 4 acres from B -1/ and B -3 /Business classifications within the Old Town Character
Sub -area to B -3 /Business within the Old Town Main Street Sub -area and create a live -work
development. The site is located at 320 West Main Street. This project will be a combination of
Townhomes Condominium Units that will be live /work units designed to permit flexibility of
residential on two floors with one floor as a live /work or low intense retail.
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Hoyes:
I sent you a letter, no comments on the Rezone. I will need drainage calcs
and an outlet permit when you get to that point.
Murray:
We do have an onsite detention system.
Groves:
No comments with Rezone. I do have concerns about metering, our
equipment location, and easements.
Murray:
This will be Condos and Townhomes so a one gang -meter per building set.
Shupperd:
No comments on Rezone, we will wait to comment.
Shinaver:
We can send a new set of revised plans to you and D. Groves.
South:
Erosion Control Plan needs more detailing. Storm water quality what do
you intend? The underground detention basin is not considered a water
quality practice. This will be a challenge for you. The Green Islands, Bio-
detention areas, and Porous pavements are possibilities as well as, lots of
trees. Suggest you put some thought to that.
Brewer:
I have walked the site. I need a copy of the PUD and a Tree Preservation
Plan. I have made some suggestions about changing the driveways making
them more interior drives to save on the green space on the perimeter. The
Landscape Plan should be on an engineered plan. I will get you a letter.
Hill:
We have several comments I will a hi -lite a few. The main street is
classified as a Residential Parkway with a fifty feet (50') right -of -way
requirement. There is a planned roundabout at 4th Avenue SW and Main.
We are looking at a seventy feet (70') radius circle centered on that
intersection. Will this be platted?
Murray:
No it is condos.
Hill:
City anticipates improving Main Street across the frontage of this
development. These improvements may include, two westbound traffic
lanes, a -cell/d -cell, tapers at the Main Street entrance, and on- street
parking. The City expects the developer to participate in these
improvements. We would like to get together with you to determine the
best way to meet these improvements.
Hoyt:
(Passing letter) I need set of elevations. Will this be sprinkled?
Leazenby:
Take the Ryland and Centex products it is the same concept. These are
residential not commercial, not like the Amli with retail but to look the
same.
Hoyt:
These are three stories? I would like to see more hydrant locations.
Amenity building? Ground floor up, no underground?
Leazenby:
No.
Akers:
I will defer this to later for inner street naming.
Dobosiewicz:
We have had numerous discussion and meetings. I do not have anything to
add. I would encourage your preparedness for the Plan Commission with
regard to Main Street.
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Docket Nos. 04070037 Z and 04070038 ADLS: 96th Street Office Park
Filed by Jim Shinaver of Nelson Frankenberger
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER:
Jim Shinaver, NELSON FRANKENBERGER
John Konstantina Tinera, Owners
John Blackketter, SCHNEIDER CORPORATION
Doug Franklin, SCHNEIDER CORPORATION
Comes now 96 Street Office Park, Rezone and ADLS. The applicant seeks to rezone
approximately 3.5 acres from the S -2 /Residence Classification to B -1 /Business to create an office
building. The site is located at the northwest corner of Haverstick Road and 96th Street
Shinaver:
This is a Rezone with ADLS approval. Similar to the Eden project, if we
obtain the Rezone and DP approval we will come back to you again for a
final TAC review. The property is just north of 96 Street, west of
Keystone Avenue. Haverstick Road borders on the east and Wild Cherry
Lane on the west. This parcel is approximately 3.5 acres and heavily
wooded.
Hoyes:
Is this in the area of the annexation of 2005? No comments until then.
Submit drainage calcs. No drains in the area but keep us in the loop.
Groves:
IP L area, no comments.
Shupperd:
We have gas on the north side of 96 Street. We will need meter sizing.
Your contact is Jerry Breech.
Brewer:
As part of the Rezone from residential to business use, you fall in line with
others along 96 Street. This is a completely wooded lot so I will need a
woodland evaluation, tree inventory, and proposed woodland mitigation
plan. I will get comments to you. I will want to walk the site.
Hill:
No comments.
Hoyt:
Sprinkled?
Blackketter:
Maybe.
Hoyt:
If it is 15,000 square feet above ground it has to be sprinkled. Basement?
Blackketter:
No.
Hoyt:
Knox -box and remote enunciator at main entrance. I need a set of plans for
water distribution and hydrant locations.
Broermann:
There is a seventy -five feet (75') half right -of -way on 96 Street and a
sixty feet (60') half on Haverstick. Wild Cherry Lane is a private drive
there was an agreement reached in 1993 on Wild Cherry Lane.
Dobosiewicz:
Once Cherry Lane intersects your seventy feet (70') half right -of-
way... (interruption),
Broermann:
Yeah, we will want a curb -cut. We also feel a left turn lane is necessary on
96 Street. Due to the amount of traffic through there we were thinking of
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centering that turn lane and adding six feet (6') of pavement to each side of
the road for minimal impact. Water, where will it go? No sewers out that
far. Will this be platted?
Dobosiewicz: Not platted, so we want to make sure all the right -of -way requests are
cleared.
Akers: Two -story building with how many tenants?
Shinaver: One to six.
Akers: When the address is assigned I want to see the address put on the
monuments sign out front or on the building.
Dobosiewicz: I want to see you amend the plans to include all locations of rights -of -ways
and pavement edges within 100 feet of the site. So we can evaluate those
needed improvements within the 96 Street right -of -way and on Haverstick
Road. S. Broermann one comment I did not see was the removal of
existing vegetation within the right -of -way. The Plan Commission will want
to see that. No additional comments.
Feltner: Revised sanitary sewer construction plans need to be submitted for review
by the District with detail of sewer connection. District application needs
to be completed. District sewer connection permit will be required.
Comments were faxed to project engineers.
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Kite Medical Office Complex, Phase 2 (Development Plan and ADLS)
Filed by Paul Reis of Drewry Simmons, Pitts Vornehm
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER:
Paul Reis, DREWRY SIMMONS VORNEHM
Joe Rogers, WOOLPERT
Comes now Kite Medical Office Complex, Phase 2, DP /ADLS. The applicant proposes a medical
office building. The site is located northeast of 126th Street and US Highway 31, at the 13000
Block of North Pennsylvania Street. The site is zoned B -2 /Business within the US 31 Overlay
Zone.
Reis: This is the second phase of Kite Medical Office complex, which is roughly south of
the Hilton Gardens and north of 126 Street. The first phase has been approved
this is a three story building with 95,000 square feet. Unlike the traditional
buildings along US 31 the build -to lines do not apply to this parcel due to the
variance we obtained.
Hoyes: Need outlet permit and it appears drainage is being handled along section one.
Groves: We would like a fifteen feet (15') utility easement along Pennsylvania and the dive
in where the transformer is sitting.
Dobosiewicz: How do we need to coordinate with landscaping?
Groves: We will need to get together on this.
Shupperd: Will you have gas service? We will extend from phase one to this building.
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Reis: At this point we are not showing gas.
Duncan: I will get you a comment letter later today. We do not have a lot of comments. I
was not involved with phase one so the only question I have is the ATP calls for
ten feet path on Pennsylvania Street and you show a five feet sidewalk in phase
one. I am assuming that was approved?
Dobosiewicz: I need to clarify that.
Brewer: No plans for phase one, can you get that to me? The same comments for phase one
would apply on phase two. Diversity has decreased I would like to see you have
more diversity. On the original site you planted both sides of the pond and on this
plan you did just one side. We may need a thicker buffer around the pond on the
building side. I would also like no Ornamental Pears planted. You show Junipers
and Currants on the same plan they are alternate hosts for disease. Cortillia
Cordata change that species due to Japanese Beetles.
Hoyt: Is this phase being built together both phases at once?
Reis: Yes.
Akers: How many tenant spaces?
Reis: Not sure yet.
Dobosiewicz: This item will go before the Special Studies Committee on Thursday September 9,
2004 and proceed to Plan Commission, Tuesday September 21, 2004. I have not
heard anything that is crucial apart from landscaping so resolve that and the
sidewalk issue.
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Docket No. 04070033 DP /ADLS: St. Vincent Medical Office Building
Filed by Mary Solada of Bingham McHale
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER:
Greg Ewing, BINGHAM MCHALE
Dennis Olmstead, STOEPPELWERTH ASSOCIATES
Tom McLaughlin, DUKE CONSTRUCTION
Glenn Hoge, BREMNER WILEY
Ross Guyer, BREMNER WILEY
Aaron Haschel, CSO ARCHITECTS
Comes now St. Vincent Medical Office Building, DP /ADLS. The applicant seeks approval for a
medical office building. The site is located at 10801 North Michigan Road. The site is zoned B-
2 /Business within the US 431 Overlay Zone.
Ewing: This site is just north of the Marsh Supermarket on Michigan Road. This is a
Medical Office building with approximately 39,400 square feet, red brick; cast
stone facade two -story building with 177 parking spaces and a retention pond to
the north of the site. No direct access off of US 421. We have filed for variances
for landscaping, wall and ground signs, and facade projection.
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Hoyes: I sent a letter to M. Solada. We will need letters from INDOT on drainage. Talked
with B. Robinson needs to be some regrading on the site to make sure some of the
inlets do not become outlets.
Groves: Ron Booher's area. Coordinate comments to him. He will need New Service
Application and Auto -cad older than 2004.
Shupperd: gas?
McLaughlin: Yes.
Duncan: No comments.
Brewer: You are only developing a third of the site at this time? I thought originally your
pond was going to connect with the one to the north?
Dennis: We cannot connect to that pond due to a telephone cable and exposure from US
421.
Brewer: You have tree preservation requirements and I do not see any. Landscape buffer to
the west you have utilities and landscaping in the same place. You do meet
numbers for the buffer yard requirements. Species choose alternatives on the
Ornamental Pears. No Washington Hawthorns closer than ten feet (10') to
pavement due to the thorns. You show forty —two (42) Maples species ringing the
parking lot would like you to diversify that number.
Hoyt: (Passing letter) Sprinkled?
McLaughlin: Yes.
Hoyt: I would like to setup a meeting to discuss location of the connection and exterior
door on riser room. Install Knox -box and caps. Need water lines shown on plans,
is there a basement?
McLaughlin: No.
Hoyt: We would like the Knox -box and remote enunciator panel at the main entrance.
Hydrants within one hundred feet (100') of connection.
Broermann: We will need a permit for the connection to Weston Point. Give some
consideration to making the drive public. It still needs to be built to the County's
standards if it remains private.
Akers: Number of tenants?
McLaughlin: Four to eight (4 -8). The first floor is one and the rest are upstairs. We want the
address on the ground sign and the building.
Dobosiewicz: You are showing the thirty feet (30') green belt you need to add six feet (6') to
that. So it will be thirty -six feet (36') from the right -of- way line to the parking
spaces. The Department recommendation was for you to add the additional ten
feet (10') buffer area to the residence to the east. Our Department will recommend
denial of that variance request. I think there is room on the site for the additional
space by adjusting the location of the building. The Development Plan (DP) will
show the entirety of the real estate not just your particular site so when future
development happens to the north it will be an amendment to the DP. The Legal
Description and Development Plan will be filed for the parent parcel. Another issue
is signage, you are requesting three (3) building identification signs and one
ground. Our recommendation is to reduce the height of the sign panels to six feet
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(6'). Due to the number of variances on this project we will limit this to one
identification sign.
Feltner: Sanitary sewer construction plans need to be submitted for review by the District's
Engineers. A District project application must also be submitted. Please submit
two sets of plans to the District for review by the District's Engineers. District
project application needs to be completed and sent to the District. An IDEM
construction permit may be needed. If necessary, all IDEM submittal information
should be provided following the District's plan review. Comments were faxed to
project engineers.
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Mayflower Park, Block 6, lot 2 Ed Martin
Filed by Mark Settlemyre of Foresight Engineering
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER:
Mark Settlemyre, FORESIGHT ENGINEERING
Comes now Mayflower Park, Block 6, Lot 2 Ed Martin. The applicant seeks approval of an
amended development plan to add additional parking and display area for an existing automobile
sales business. The site is located at 9896 North Michigan Road.
Settlemyre: Our proposal is to expand the existing parking approximately .84 acres. It is
currently grass draining to an existing pond. We will mirror the existing parking,
landscaping, and lighting. This is for a display area for new cars.
Hoyes: M. Settlemyer I fax you a comment letter last night. The Hamilton County
Surveyor's Office will not grant approval. This has an illegal Storm Water Lift
Station and was not installed as a part of this project or presented to our office for
approval.
Dobosiewicz: This will not be presented to the Plan Commission until this is resolved.
Settlemyre: What can I do to make this work?
Dobosiewicz: We will let you figure that out. I am not sure what you can do but I suggest that
you talk with your Lawyers and get back with us.
Settlemyre: Is this a dead issue if we cannot get the elevation up?
Hoyes: Can you get into the parking lot itself?
Settelmyre: Yes, if we could look solely at the parking lot with detention off the lot, then yes,
there is fall there.
Hoyes: That would be acceptable for the parking and we will deal with the Lift Station
through Chrysler.
Dobosiewicz: We will look for something in writing from you before we forward this to the Plan
Commission.
Settlemyre: I will need to due more extensive calculations.
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Dobosiewicz: So then, the plans for the original Development Plan are inaccurate and not built
per plan?
Hoyes: They show it draining into US 421. We have another case where INDOT gave out
wrong elevations and Lift Stations were used.
Dobosiewicz: We will look for this to be resolved.
Groves: No comments.
Shupperd: No comments.
Duncan: No comments.
Brewer: Graphic details you need to remove the one -third top burlap binding and plant root
flare at grade level. You also need to replace the dead /dieing trees and plants on
existing site. You have all Red Maples around the parking lot. Ash is no longer
allowed and I would use another tree besides the Red Maple. If you are looking
for ways to limit your porous pavement J. South or I can give you some help.
Hoyt: No comments
Broermann: Sent letter, no concerns.
Dobosiewicz: We would like an extensive report on drainage for the Plan Commission to review
and the determination of the parking lot expansion. Fences or a dumpster?
Settlemyre: Yes, existing dumpster and a barrier along the back parking lot at 99 Street,
maybe cut posts?
Dobosiewicz: Submit what you are proposing and complete the curb around the dumpster area.
Whose maintenance responsibility is the pump?
Hoyes: Who knows? We are completely in the dark on this.
Settlemyre: Are we still on schedule for the September Plan Commission date?
Dobosiewicz: The Surveyor will let us know when they have enough information to forward this
project.
Hoyt: Control gates?
Settlymer: No.
Feltner: Detailed plans need to be submitted to the District. If paving crosses exiting sewer
lines, District inspections will be required. Comments were faxed to project
engineers.
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Carmel High School Marching Band Tower
Filed by Aaron Reynolds of Paul I. Cripe, Inc.
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER:
Aaron Reynolds, PAUL I CRIPE
Comes now Carmel High School, Marching Band Tower. The applicant seeks to construct a new
structure (Marching Band Tower). The site is located at the northwest corner of 136 Street and
Keystone Avenue.
Hoyes: No comments.
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Groves: What kind of loading? Power is a long way away.
Dobosiewicz: Can you provide the BZA color elevations?
Brewer: Buffer yard requirements. Can we get together on this?
Feltner: Revisions will be needed along with more detail on the sanitary sewer lines.
District application needs to be completed. District sewer connection permit will
be required. Comments were faxed to project engineers.
Hoyt: We want a Knox -box on the building.
Duncan: We need to address the ADA requirements?
Dobosiewicz: I think the school needs to address how emergency equipment will find the
location and get a letter to us explaining that.
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Carmel Clay School West Side Transportation Facility
Filed by Aaron Reynolds of Paul I. Cripe, Inc
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER:
Aaron Reynolds, PAUL I CRIPE
Comes now Carmel Clay School West Side Transportation Facility. The applicant seeks to
construct bus transportation facility. The site is located at the southeast corner of 126 Street and
Shelborne Road.
Hoyes: I sent a comment letter. We need drainage calcs on the pond, and an outlet permit.
There is a lot of trash in the open ditch that needs to be addressed.
Reynolds: I believe we have the outlet permit.
Hoyes: There will be a fueling station and storm inlets near each other? Get with J. South
to work that out.
Groves: This is Ron Booher's area. He will need Auto -cad, loading, and updated plans.
Shupperd: Need to get with Tom Bowers about bigger size of service, metering and location.
Duncan: Passing comment letter. No further.
Brewer: Around the northeast corner of the building it appears the plant list does not match
the plans. I also noticed this area is replacing a natural drainage area with no
additional buffer plantings or preservation. Species comments you have Austrian
Pines please choose an alternate. You have Thornless Honey Locust change those
to something else.
Hoyt: Passing a comment letter down. Sprinkled?
Reynolds: Undecided.
Hoyt: Lift in there?
Reynolds: Yes.
Hoyt: Square feet?
Reynolds: 3,500 and it was not required per code to be sprinkled.
Hoyt: Is there a hydrant near?
Reynolds: Yes, 400 feet away.
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Hoyt: Not on the loop road?
Reylonds: No.
Hoyt: That is a long way to lay hose and we could not drive it. I would like to see a
hydrant along the roadway. I would also like a Knox -box on the building.
Akers: I will get you a letter with the address on it.
Dobosiewicz: Has a variance been filed for not curbing the parking?
Reynolds: Yes. We filed a Special Use for (interrupted).
Dobosiewicz: No, a variance? You need to file that. I would suggest in the area you have label
for future bus parking that you locate the chain -link fence on the outside of the
future parking area so when you add the additional parking you are not
interrupting the landscaping on that side. Two spots on the plan where I want you
to add pedestrian walks. From the employee parking to the building and the south
end to the bus area, north of the gate. Provide a pedestrian plan for the whole site
showing how we move kids and people around on this site?
...END...
Docket No. 04080015 PP Amend: Heather Knoll Subdivision
Filed by Dennis Olmstead of Stoeppelwerth Associates
REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER:
Neal Smith, PITTMAN PARTNERS
Dennis Olmstead, STOEPPELWERTH ASSOCIATES
Ken Brasser, PLATINUM PROPERTIES
Comes now Heather Knoll Subdivision, PP Amend. The applicant seeks to amend the initial
primary plat to become 159 total lots on 76.994 acres The site is located northwest of 141S
and Towne Rd. The site is zoned S -1 /Residence -ROSO. We originally brought this through and
since have acquired additional land that allows us to complete the Thoroughfare Plan to 146
Street.
Dobosiewicz: The Lot that was excluded is now better incorporated?
Olmstead: Right, we would like to do this with a frontage road and a hammerhead for
that group of Lots facing 141S Street.
Hoyes: This will drain through the Lake and the Stultz and Almond. You will have
this existing portion to vacate otherwise looks okay.
Dobosiewicz: When you developed this did you go to Murphy and purchase easement for
the storm sewer?
Smith: No, it already existed we just got letters for approval.
Dobosiewicz: I will work with Ray Roehling about that path.
Groves: This is Ron Booher's area he will need Auto -cad.
Shupperd: We are already there and laying out lines.
Duncan: We have approved section one and want revised drawings. You show a
temporary construction entrance where the old entrance
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was... (interruption).
Dobosiewicz:
We are encouraged that the Plan Commission will approve this. If it is
approved they will close the currently approved entrance at 141 Street and
have only one entrance.
Duncan:
The Legal Drain reconstruction is that underway?
Brasser:
Yes.
Duncan:
I assume you are working with the County on this? We are requesting a
passing blister on the north end of 146 Street. Provide a commitment for
right -of -way. The a -cell/d -cell on the north end needs to meet the
dimensional requirements for arterial it is currently short. We would like to
look at the hammerhead and alignment with Lakeside.
Brewer:
I need an amended Landscape Plan sent.
Hoyt:
I would like a Knox -box on amenity building. Not in favor of hammerhead
at Lot 63. I would like to see a cul -de -sac.
Dobosiewicz:
Are you okay with the narrow width?
Hoyt:
Yes, as long as we can turn around without backing.
Olmstead:
A normal size cul -de -sac?
Hoyt:
Yes. Are these single or two story?
Olmstead:
Two.
Hoyt:
I will get you some specs on the trucks. Need hydrant locations and
hydrant markers centered perpendicular to hydrant.
Broermann:
We will need a permit for the connection at 146 Street.
Akers:
Lot 64, the existing residents are they staying? Do they realize their address
will change?
Smith:
We will notify them of that.
Akers:
Six (6) names were approved so send me some more.
Dobosiewicz:
Suggestions to reduce the length of the cul -de -sac away from 141 Street
right -of -way. The street that stubs to this direction stub it into the property
to the east. Need you to submit a revised Landscape Plan, a revised road
commitment estimates, and the ROSO calcs that show you are in
compliance. I would encourage you to discuss with your neighbor the
necessary right -of -way for the sidewalk and road connection or a Legal
Description so we can move forward if you are not fruitful.
Feltner:
Sanitary sewer construction plans need to be submitted for review by the
District's Engineers. A District project application must also be submitted.
Please submit two sets of plans to the District for review. An IDEM
construction permit may be needed: if so, all IDEM submittal information
should be provided following the District's plan review. Comments were
faxed to project engineers.
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