HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes PC 03-21-00CARMEL /CLAY PLAN COMMISSION
MARCH 21, 2000
The regularly scheduled meeting of the Carmel /Clay Plan Commission was called to
order with the Pledge of Allegiance at approximately 7:00 PM in the Council Chambers
of City Hall, Carmel, Indiana.
Members present were: Marilyn Anderson; Kent Broach; David Cremeans; Leo
Dierckman; Madeline Fitzgerald; Wayne Haney; Ron Houck; Nick Kestner; Kevin
Kirby; Norma Meighen; Bob Modisett; Jim O'Neal; Pat Rice; John Sharpe; and Paul
Spranger.
Steve Engelking, Director, Terry Jones; Michael Hollibaugh; and Laurence Lillig were
present representing the Department of Community Services. John Molitor, counsel, was
also present.
The minutes of the previous meeting were approved as submitted.
G. Reports, Announcements, Department Concerns:
lg. John Schuler appeared before the Commission and gave a brief up -date on
the Old Meridian Task Force. The Commission referred this item to the April 11 Special
Study Committee.
2g. Item 3h. on the Agenda is TABLED to the April meeting due to faulty
Notice of Publication. Item 3i. under Old Business has been TABLED to the April
meeting. Item lj. under New Business, McDonald's, has been WITHDRAWN.
3g. The Agenda was then re- ordered to hear items 6h. and 7h. concurrently as
the first item of business.
H. Public Hearings:
6h. Docket No. 62 -00 Z, Rezone application for the Carmel Redevelopment
Commission to change the official Zoning Map. The petitioner requests a
favorable recommendation for a rezone of 17.677 acres from I -1 /Industrial to C-
1 /City Center. The site is located on the southwest corner of the intersection of
City Center Drive and 3 rd Avenue Southwest. The site is zoned I -1 /Industrial.
Filed by Rick Roesch, President, Carmel Redevelopment Commission.
7h. Docket No. 63 -00 OA, Petition to amend the Carmel /Clay Zonng Ordinance,
creating the C -1 Zone District. The proposed amendment would create a new
zone district, the C -1. The purpose of the C -1 District (City Center) is to create
and protect land areas for the development of the Carmel City Center project, a
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central mixed -use complex of retail, residential, office, and community facilities
designed to meet the cultural and economic needs of the Carmel community.
Filed by the Department of Community Services.
Mayor James Brainard appeared before the Commission together with Rick Roesch to
present the C -1 Zone District (City Center). Representatives of Amli Company, one of
the Redevelopment Commission's bids, were also in attendance.
The City Center project was originally announced in May 1997 as a means of providing a
cultural and business center to the City of Carmel and a focal point for the City. The
location of the City Center is easily accessible from the Meridian corridor and Keystone
Avenue, and provides a business amenity hub as well as a City center with public
buildings for cultural events, performing arts, and a museum.
The City is partnering with the private sector. At the time the Economic Redevelopment
Commission was created, the Plan Commission voted to approve the economic
development district that allowed the City to purchase the land utilizing bond funds. The
City entered the Master Plan and will bidding off various components of the
development.
The project will include residential, office buildings, townehomes, and a parking deck.
The buildings will be at street level rather than much lower. The Monon Trail will cut
through the middle of the public area; there will also be a performing arts center and a
museum building. The Tax Incremental Financing district may allow the City to proceed
with the construction of the performing arts and museum building sooner than originally
anticipated. None of the district affects the tax dollars; the money will be coming from
the growth in the immediate and adjacent areas.
The required style of architecture will be Georgian, Colonial or Federal that fits in with
the current City Hall buildings. The green areas are extended so that it becomes one
complex overall. The corner at 126 and Rangeline Road will become the main corner in
Carmel. The City is also revitalizing Olde Towne Carmel to make sure that that area
remains vibrant and healthy.
The area is currently zoned I -1 /Industrial. The wetlands areas will be maintained; those
wetlands that have been disturbed were mitigated at a 5 to 1 ratio. The Hamilton County
Parks Board granted approval to mitigate two of their park sites: one at the Cox Hall site;
one at Strawtown in northern Hamilton County. There will be educational features
connected with the wetlands working through the Indiana Department of Environmental
Management.
In the C -I Zone District Ordinance, the City would be the applicant in each instance; no
private developer would be allowed as an applicant. Upon obtaining a successful bid, the
City would apply for development approval. Prior to the Redevelopment Commission
awarding a bid, the Redevelopment Commission would have entered into a detailed
project agreement, and the bids would require minimum ADLS standards. The City is
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asking for an abbreviated procedure whereby the Director of the Department of
Community Services can hold a public hearing in accordance with State law to handle the
ADLS matter.
NOTE: Commissioner Nick Kestner abstained from discussion and voting, since he is a
property owner in the subject area.
Members of the public were invited to speak in favor of the Rezone and the Amendment;
the following appeared:
Fred (last name president of the Carmel Station Homeowners Association, stated that
he had met with the Mayor but there were some small concerns. Trash dumpster
locations seemed to be at a minimum and may not be adequate to service the area. The
ten foot green belt buffer between the proposed development and the Subdivision was not
deemed to be adequate for screening and maximum privacy, especially on Carmel
Garden. The apartments are upscale and high -end rent and the residents are in favor of
the project.
Members of the public were invited to speak in opposition to the petition; the following
appeared:
Dave Coots, attorney, 255 East Carmel Drive, Carmel, appeared before the Commission
representing adjacent property owners in the Industrial area, Ralph Petty, 3 rd Avenue SW.
The major concern is the property rights of the adjacent property owners, residential
properties as well as industrial properties, and that their rights are not, at some point in
the future, impinged by the City. For instance, if the City were to say "You are in an
industrial zone, you are adjacent to the new Civic Center Zone, and before industrial use
is expanded, the property owners must buffer against the newly developed Arts Garden to
the tune of $4 million or whatever the price tag would be, and bulldozers and pipes stored
on site will not be permitted...." Obviously, the property owners would have an interest
in seeing that the businesses can be expanded from time -to -time or as the need requires
without having to come back before the Plan Commission and /or the Board of Zoning
Appeals for a variance or some architectural approval to do what the industrial uses have
been doing from the beginning of the industrial park. Any expansion at a future date of
the industrial use should not require the businesses to do something over and above what
the present ordinance requires.
Dan Moriarity of CSO Architects responded to the trash concern. It has been the policy
of AMLI to have one large dumpster with a compactor at one central collection point.
Laurence Lillig reported that the Department is recommending that the Commission
suspend the rules on Docket Nos. 62 -00 Z and 63 -00 OA and that they be forwarded to
the City Council with a favorable recommendation.
In response to questions regarding the C -1 Zoning, Laurence Lillig stated that the only
entity that can petition for a rezone to C -1 is the City of Carmel.
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Ron Houck had some specific concerns regarding the 10 foot landscape buffer and an
accessory building that is allowed to encroach 5 feet into the landscape buffer.
Relegating ADLS approval to the Department Director who is a direct report of the
Mayor is an inherent conflict and this is a concern. Light spillage at the adjacent property
lines is also a concern.
Michael Hollibaugh responded that the Department Staff would deal with lighting issues
on the ADLS; the design calls for a typical down lighting, shoebox style light that does
not have the spillage of an angle type fixture.
Madeline Fitzgerald expressed some concerns with the timing and opportunity for
review.
Leo Dierckman commented that the same Department Staff is responsible for reviewing
the ADLS package and if the City is going to try to sell the balance of the parcels, it is
critical that the first piece be done properly. Leo stated that he is comfortable with the
proposal.
Michael Hollibaugh reported that the existing wetlands on the property caused some re-
design by AMLI and the City.
Pat Rice referred to the 10 foot landscape buffer and asked if there could be some
commitments made as to the kind of landscaping and what exactly is proposed. Also, Pat
Rice did not feel that Mr. Coots' concern was adequately addressed.
Mayor Brainard responded that no city official is able to predict what the Council will
pass in terms of future Ordinances and requiring adjoining landowners to act. However,
the City is sensitive to the adjoining land owners and their land value is increasing as a
result of the proposed project. Even if there were covenants running with the land, it
would not control what a Council could do with an Ordinance 10 or 20 years in the
future.
In regard to the landscape buffer strip, an AMLI representative will meet with the
adjoining property owners and work out some solution.
Kevin Kirby stated that the City can develop this center without going through Plan
Commission. The hybrid of public /private partnership is relatively new to the City; the
specifications for the project have been developed by the City. The property would not
have to be rezoned were it not for a small technicality. It is the City's project; it is the
City's plans and specifications; AMLI cannot deviate from the plans.
John Molitor commented that after initial approval of ADLS by the Department, the plan
cannot be changed or altered without prior approval of the Plan Commission.
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Bob Modisett moved for the suspension of the rules in order to vote on these Dockets this
evening.
Bob Modisett moved for the approval of Docket No. 62 -00 Z and Docket No. 63 -00
OA. APPROVED 14 in favor, none opposed, Nick Kestner abstaining.
lh. Docket No. 44 -00 PP, Primary Plat application for the Richard Carriger
Company. The petitioner seeks approval to plat 21 lots on 39.360 acres to be
known as Treesdale Subdivision. The site is located northeast of West 96
Street and Towne Road. The site is zoned S -1 /Residential (Very Low Intensity)
and is being developed as a Qualifying Subdivision under ROSO.
Filed by Adam L. DeHart of Keeler -Webb Associates for the Richard Carriger
Company.
Adam DeHart, 486 Gradle Drive, Carmel, appeared before the Plan Commission along
with Richard Carriger, custom homebuilder, and Gary Aletto, one of the owners of Lucky
LLC, landowner of ground being presented for primary plat approval.
The petitioner is seeking primary plat approval for 21 lots on 39.36 acres. Windemere
Subdivision lies to the northeast, Bob Altum's to the north, Camden Walk opposite the
subject site on Towne Road, and Summer Lakes to the southeast.
The property is zoned S -1 /Residential (Very Low Intensity) and is being developed as a
Qualifying Subdivision under the Residential Open Space Ordinance. The Secondary
Plat has set aside 10 lots on 27 acres for large lot, estate homes. The Ordinance requires
30% open space -this has been provided by the developer in the form of a five -acre lake
at the northeast portion of the property. In the center of the property is an additional lake
that covers just over two acres.
The Thoroughfare Plan requires a 50 foot common area buffer along the 70 foot one -half
right -of -way of Towne Road. Around the perimeter of the project, a landscape berm
serves as linkage to the common areas along Towne Road and the large lake areas. The
development is served by a single, "U" shaped road, with two entrances on Towne Road
approximately 900 feet apart.
Construction in the near future would be for Section I; modifications and updates to the
existing horse stables will also be done. The berm area in the Subdivision will probably
be used by the stable owners for riding.
The two lakes make up approximately 7.7 acres. The lakes provide a wrap- around effect
for lots 9 and 10 and also provide lake frontage to as many homes as possible. The
common area along Towne Road comprises approximately 1.5 acres and the linkages
between the common area along Towne Road and the lakes comprise approximately 3
acres. The signage on the project is cut -face limestone with country- style, coach lights.
The entry detail incorporates cut stone and rough limestone finish with limestone cap
stone; individual columns with wrought -iron between will be along the frontage on
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Towne Road. There will be landscaping at the entrance and in those areas where fencing
is involved. There are existing landscape trees on the property that will remain after
being thinned out. The landscaped berms will provide privacy to the estate home lots and
will also provide an aesthetically pleasing appearance to the open pastureland.
The lots vary from eight tenths of an acre to 2.8 acres; the homes vary from 6,000 to
18,000 square feet. The streets will be constructed to Hamilton County specifications.
The development will be served by domestic water and sanitary sewer currently not
available to the area.
The petitioner has met with the surrounding homeowners to introduce the proposed
development. The petitioner has also filed a petition with the Hamilton County Drainage
Board to obtain approval to reconstruct the legal drain that passes through the property.
Members of the public were invited to speak in favor of the proposed development; no
one appeared.
Members of the public were invited to speak in opposition to the proposed development;
the following appeared:
Robert McKinney, legal owner of 10 acres of ground immediately south of and adjacent
to the subject site. Mr. McKinney stated that approximately 900 feet of the legal drain
runs through his property. Mr. McKinney stated that his daughter and son -in -law occupy
the premises and have a lease and option to purchase the property. Mr. McKinney
reported that it was his understanding that the lakes would be changed in size and raised,
the berm would be increased, and the entire drainage plan would be changed. The
drainage plan, as presented to Mr. McKinney, was a ditch through his property- -this has
now changed and there will be no activity on Mr. McKinney's property. Mr. McKinney
stated that he did not have a copy of current plans for the drainage and respectfully
requested that this Docket be deferred until all information is available. Mr. McKinney
referred to a letter from Adam DeHart regarding the drainage and a letter from Steve
Cash of the County Surveyor's office regarding requirements for the Fitch Jessup
regulated drain. According to Kent Ward, this project or any other project that might be
located at this site would be required to reconstruct the drain based upon the
reconstruction plan. Mr. McKinney stated that there is currently a flooding problem, and
putting in 21 homes, 6,000 to 18,000 square feet with driveways, will cause serious,
additional waterflow problems. Mr. McKinney felt that this development was premature,
in view of the drainage.
Lisa McKinney Goldner appeared before the Commission and stated that she has lived on
the property along with her family since 1996. There are numerous concerns with the
proposed development. Craig Dobbs (part owner with Gary Aletto) had explained that
the berm will be decreased to 8 feet; Mr. DeHart stated the berm would be 4 to 6 feet.
Ms. Goldner referred to her letter to the Commission dated 3/16 stating her concerns.
The runoff from the tall berm will make the McKinney property very wet and the water
will not run to the Fitch Jessup drain. Ms. Goldner asked for clarification on the
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drainage plans. There are safety and health concerns with the quantity of water over Ms.
Goldner's property. Ms. Goldner stated that there are show animals on her property and
she does not want them drinking the standing water. The runoff from the ponds will
contain contaminants, pesticides, etc. that will leech into the ground. The drainage will
have a negative impact, both present and future, for riding purposes. The McKinney's are
on well water; the proposed development will be placing hydrants next to the ponds and
they may or may not fill the ponds utilizing the hydrants. If the developer does use the
hydrants, the same aquifer would be utilized as the McKinneys at 100 feet. It is cost
prohibitive to bring in water from 106 Street to 96 Street.
Kathy Betalak, 9765 Towne Road, just south of the McKinneys, stated that she and her
family are not opposed to the development but rather are opposed to the drainage plan
and the release of water over the southeast corner of the Betalak's property. There is also
a ground water issue related to the construction of the two large retention ponds. Ms.
Betalak stated that her concerns were expressed in a letter dated March 15 and sent to
each Commission member. Ms. Betalak stated that drainage plans regarding the
reconstruction of the Fitch Jessup drain have been changed by the developer and
engineers. It is Ms. Betalak's understanding that the most recent plans are that the
developer does not intend to make any changes to the McKinney property or the Betalak
property. The construction of 21 homes and driveways, sidewalks and roadways, will
eliminate the important function of soil and absorbing water, and the Treesdale
Subdivision will increase the total volume of surface water flowing across the southeast
corner of the Betalak property. It is reasonable to expect that the Treesdale Subdivision
be responsible for proper drainage through the Betalak property and into the
Bramblewood Subdivision. The elevation drop is minimal between the Treesdale
Subdivision and the Bramblewood Subdivision, and since pipes must be set two feet
below grade, multiple, circular or oval pipes are required to resolve the drainage issue.
The cost of the alternative has complicated the resolution of the drainage issue, not the
lack of cooperation of the surrounding property owners. If Treesdale is not held
financially responsible for making improvements to the Fitch Jessup drain now, as
Hamilton County requires, they will not have to deal with the future impact of their
Subdivision on the Betalak and McKinney properties.
Ms. Betalak stated that the other major concern is the ground water issue. The current
source of water for the Betalak home and horse barn is a well. Municipal sources have
been looked into and the cost of connecting is relatively high, since there is no hook -up
nearby. The concern is that the ground water could be used to maintain the water level in
the two ponds and this will affect the water table and the function of the well in dry
periods. Well records in the area indicate that a deep, high capacity well is already in
place on the Treesdale Subdivision property. Mark Basch from the Department of
Natural Resources, Division of Water in the State of Indiana, has expertise in the area of
water rights and monitors water levels in the area. Mr. Basch is very aware of concerns
of homeowners with wells, since there are many golf courses, large estates, and new
developments in the area. In 1991 during the PGA Tournament at Crooked Stick, nearby
homeowners experienced problems with their wells because ground water was being used
to maintain the golf course. Mr. Basch stated that in 1999, the number of calls his
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department received from homeowners in the area was significantly higher than in
previous years. Mr. Basch also verified the legitimacy of the homeowners concerns that
pumping ground water into the two Treesdale retention ponds could impact the water
level in the area and consequently, the neighboring wells. Ms. Betalak asked that the
homeowners concerns be addressed and that this project not be approved until further
review and resolution can be determined.
Dave Cremeans reported that the Plan Commission had received letters from Kathleen
and Christopher Betalak, Lisa Goldner and Robert McKinney stating drainage concerns.
Rebuttal: Adam DeHart stated that there had been a meeting with the Hamilton County
Surveyor this week. There are drainage issues involved with this project. A petition has
been filed by Lucky LLC for the reconstruction of the legal drain within Treesdale's 36
acres and Treesdale is required to do the reconstruction. The construction documents and
drainage calculations were modified and the McKinney's and the Betalak's have seen
those calculations. Modifications were requested of the petitioner Monday and these will
be turned in tomorrow- -these modifications will take care of issues only concerning
lakes, storm sewers, and drainage on the Treesdale site only. The revisions include the
pool elevation of both of the ponds, the connector outlet between the ponds, and the
outlet connector pipe. The drainage issue and reconstruction of the drain, be it on site or
off site, is under the jurisdiction of the Hamilton County Drainage Board and the
petitioner has been actively working with the Board and the Surveyor's Office.
The design of the berm on the south side of the property allows for a swale to be installed
between the berm and the property line to pick up the drainage. As a matter of note, the
land owner prior to the McKinneys had petitioned the County Drainage Board in 1994 to
reconstruct the entire drain, about 2600 feet, and the fee was determined to be $500,000.
to install a storm sewer. The problem with the storm sewer design at that time was that it
provided for a cut through an 18 inch, high pressure Indiana Gas Pipeline. Pipes cannot
cut through pipes, and ongoing negotiations with Indiana Gas have allowed the petitioner
to come up with a design that stays away from the pipe and also takes care of the on -site
drainage. The petitioner is accepting a 10 year storm from the north of all properties in a
76 acre drainage collection area. The petitioner is reducing and oversizing the ponds to
the point that only a 2 year storm is being released. Any new design of the proposed
revision -the open ditch -has not been revised to date. Any revisions and signatures for
off -site drainage will be forwarded and signed and applied to the Drainage Board by all
property owners involved. To date, the only signature on the petition is the owners of
Lucky, LLC.
The item as to how the ponds are to be filled the ponds will be dug by normal, earth
moving procedures. The area has a low water table and the ponds will fill by themselves
of storm water, probably less than a year, and the maintenance will be taken care of by
fountains maintained by the Homeowners Association. The fountains and the level of the
ponds will need to stay fresh to maintain the fish and animal activity that keeps the pond
alive. Any filling of the ponds would not be done by ground water wells. A fire hydrant
is strategically placed for use in filling the ponds; there are two other hydrants for fire
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protection. The issue of changing the existing water table or aquifer on site -these
properties will have fire protection from the domestic water line and each home will have
domestic service provided by Indianapolis Water Co. There will be no new wells drilled
on this site.
Adam DeHart stated that what is before the Drainage Board deals solely with the storm
drainage facilities and the maintenance of storm drainage on the Treesdale site and
accepting off -site water from the north as the water flows from north to south. The
McKinneys and the Betalaks will be kept apprised of the continuing issue of off -site
drainage and any new plans that may evolve. The petitioner is willing to work with the
neighbors, the Drainage Board, and the County Surveyor's Office for an acceptable
resolution.
Laurence Lillig gave the Department's recommendation that this item be forwarded to the
April 11 Subdivision Committee for further review. Secondly, lots 9 and 10 do not have
any frontage on a public road; access is via the common area. There are two remedies.
The description of the two lots could be changed so that they would have 50 feet of
frontage by extending them, or a request could be filed for Subdivision Waivers to grant
access off the common area. If the petitioner elects to file for waivers, the Department
recommends that the Plan Commission suspend the Rules of Procedure for the 25 day
notice. It is impossible to make that deadline between now and the April Plan
Commission meeting; however, it is possible to be within the State Statute's 10 days
notice deadline. In regard to the drainage issue, the County Surveyor has not yet seen a
revised drainage plan and are concerned that this issue be addressed before any approval.
Dave Cremeans questioned the sanitary sewer availability in the area and asked that this
be explored by the Subdivision Committee.
Docket No. 44 -00 PP, Treesdale Subdivision, was referred to the Subdivision
Committee that will meet April 11 at 7:00 PM in the Caucus Rooms.
Ron Houck moved to suspend the 25 day Notice requirement and allow the petitioner to
seek Subdivision Waivers for lots 9 and 10. APPROVED 14 in favor, one opposed (Leo
Dierckman.)
2h. Docket No. 47 -00 OA, A proposal to amend Chapter 3: Definitions of the
Zoning Ordinance by adding the following definitions:
Alteration, Material Alteration, Minor
Alteration, Substantial Diameter at Breast Height (dbh)
Dwelling, Multiple- Family Dwelling, Single- Family
Family Group Home
Sexually- Oriented Business Through Road
Filed by the Department of Community Services.
Mike Hollibaugh of the Department of Community Services appeared before the
Commission to explain the update in the definitions to Chapter 3 of the Zoning
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Ordinance. As a part of the process, the definitions come closer in compliance with the
Indiana Code.
Members of the public were invited to speak in favor of the proposed Amendment, the
following appeared:
Rebecca Mortel, Sycamore Farms Subdivision in Carmel, appeared before the
Commission in support of the amendment to the definitions in the Zoning Ordinance.
Ms. Mortel spoke from an experience of a group home that had proposed to locate in her
subdivision. There was some question as to the definition of a "group home" and what it
entailed. After thoroughly researching a "group home" license application, Ms. Mortel,
as spokesperson for her Subdivision, was in support of the definition of Group Home.
Members of the public were invited to speak in opposition to the proposed Amendment;
no one appeared and the public hearing was closed.
John Molitor explained the editing of the definitions in the Zoning Ordinance.
Jim O'Neal moved for the suspension of the rules in order to vote on Docket No. 47 -00
OA. APPROVED 14 in favor, one opposed (Ron Houck.)
Jim O'Neal moved for the APPROVAL of Docket No. 47 -00 OA, Chapter 3:
Definitions of the Zoning Ordinance. APPROVED 14 in favor, one opposed (Ron
Houck)
3h. Docket No. 57 -00 PP, Hazel Dell Pond Subdivision
TABLED due to faulty notice
4h. Docket No. 59 -00 PP Amend, Primary Plat Amendment application for Centex
Homes. The petitioner requests approval to plat 67 lots on 23.323 acres within
the Haverstick Subdivision. The site is located northwest of the intersection of
East 131 Street and River Road. The site is zoned S -1 /Residential (Low
Intensity) and was originally granted Primary Plat (11 -94 PP) approval under the
old Cluster Ordinance.
Filed by Thomas L. Kutz of Centex Homes.
Philip A. Nicely, attorney, 8888 Keystone Crossing, Indianapolis appeared before the
Commission representing the applicant. A minor change is being requested in the
Primary Plat that was originally approved in 1994 to provide Centex with the ability to
upgrade a portion of the development that will include Executive Home Series, a more
elegant home than is currently being built in the area. In order to accomplish this goal,
the Primary Plat will need to be amended.
At the time Haverstick was platted in 1994, the development was to include both garden
series homes and the designer series homes. At the time the Executive Home Series was
developed, it was deemed appropriate to replace some of the garden series homes and
some of the designer series with the Executive Homes. In order to accomplish this, the
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proposed change provides for a separate entrance from the main boulevard to the
Executive Homes to create a separate identity. The sizes of some of lots will also be
increased for the Executive Homes. The end result is three fewer lots, the same amount
of open space, and the introduction of an up -scale series of homes. The separate entrance
will denote the Executive Homes.
Members of the public were invited to speak in favor or opposition to the petition; no one
appeared and the public hearing was closed.
Laurence Lillig reported that the Department offers no objection to a vote this evening.
Marilyn Anderson asked for clarification of the wooded space and access. Tom Kutz
responded that the property Marilyn is questioning is owned by the City and is a well site.
The Subdivision does not have access to the area.
Ron Houck moved for the suspension of the rules. APPROVED 15 -0.
Ron Houck moved for the approval of Docket No. 59 -00 PP Amend, Haverstick
Subdivision. APPROVED 15 in favor, none opposed.
5h. Docket No. 61 -00 DP /ADLS, Development Plan and Architectural Design,
Lighting Signage applications for REI Investments. The petitioner requests
approval for two hotels totaling 166,000 square feet on 8.070 acres to be known
as Residence Inn and Spring Hill Suites. The site is located northwest of the
intersection of East 116 Street and Pennsylvania Street. The site is zoned B-
6 /Business and is located within the US 31 Overlay Zone.
Filed by Elizabeth Hobbs of REI Investments, Inc.
Bob Modisett recused himself from discussion and voting on this Docket due to a conflict
of interest.
Gene Valanzano, land use consultant for Baker Daniels, 300 North Meridian Street,
Indianapolis, appeared before the Commission representing the petitioner, REI
Investments, Inc; Meridian Mile Associates LP is the owner of the property. Also in
attendance were Mike Wells, Liz Hobbs and Drew Sasnick.
Approval is being sought to develop two hotel suites at 11811 North Meridian Street.
Both hotels are proposed as Marriott franchises. The Residence Inn would be an
extended -stay facility; the second would be Spring Hill Suites, a medium -stay facility.
Both facilities would be developed by REI Investments.
The Residence Inn is proposed on the northern part of the site. The units are all suites
and are 50% larger than the typical hotel rooms found in the market. They are
constructed with a residential atmosphere with apartment -style units. The units would
feature one bedroom suites, two bedroom suites, studio suites, and two -level penthouse
suites.
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The amenities would include a gatehouse that would house the hotel's front desk, hearth
room and public space, complimentary breakfast buffet, hospitality hours every evening,
weekly dinner themes, complimentary newspapers for the guests, complimentary grocery
shopping service, swimming pools, heated sauna, a sport courts for volleyball and
basketball. Each guest room would feature a fully equipped kitchen with appliances
(sinks, stoves and refrigerators), and separate living and sleeping quarters. The
customer base for the Residence Inn is largely business travel, and a typical stay averages
12 nights per stay. The average income of a guest is in the upper $60,000. range; the
average age of an occupant is 40 years; and the business background is that 66% of the
persons that stay at a Residence Inn are at managerial or professional levels and 18% are
at technical sales or administration levels. "Business Travelers News" in 1997 ranked the
Marriott Residence Inn as the Number One extended stay facility.
The Spring Hill Suites is slightly different than the Residence Inn. It is an all suites
project, the rooms are approximately 25% larger than the standard hotel room, and
separate eating areas, separate working areas, and separate sleeping areas are featured
within the units. The amenities also include complimentary continental breakfast,
swimming pools and spas, exercise rooms, business center, and complimentary daily
newspaper. In terms of room amenities, the rooms are slightly scaled down; they do
include a small microwave, mini refrigerator, in -room coffee makers, two telephone lines
for voice and data communication are provided, ironing boards, and enclosed closets.
Up -scale from a typical hotel room. The customer base is more a 50150 mix between
traveling business customers and leisure travelers. The typical stay at a Spring Hill
Suites is 2 to 4 nights. The average household income of Spring Hill Suites clients is
between $65,000/$72,000; the average age is between 41 and 46 years.
REI filed a Use Variance with the Board of Zoning Appeals to allow for units with
individual kitchen facilities; the Variance was approved by the BZA on February 28.
The site is located on the east side of Meridian Street, north of 116 on Pennsylvania
Street; Conseco office building is to the northeast of the site on the opposite side of
Pennsylvania. Primary access to the site is via Pennsylvania Street and would align with
College Drive. One parking space per room is allotted, a total of 256 spaces have been
provided on site. Trash enclosures in a material to match the brick in the buildings are
provided; the gates are cedar covered.
The Ordinance requires a minimum of 15% landscaping; the petitioner has provided
17 Six percent of the surface area of the parking lot is required to be landscaped, the
petitioner is excess of that requirement. There is a total of 164 trees on site and 718
shrubs. There is landscaping around the perimeter and in the parking lot; trees include
White Ash, flowering pears, crabapples and redbuds. The lighting is a shoebox style
fixture, down lighting. The petitioner is aware that the Department has some concerns
with the levels of illumination at a few points along the property line; the petitioner is
willing to make some adjustments. As yet, there are no definitive plans for wall lighting
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fixtures; however, if there were lights on the building, they would be either low mounted
on the building or ground mounted and would wash up on the building.
Mr. Valanzano presented samples of the brick to be used on the buildings and stone
accent pieces. There will be standing seam metal roof features. The main portion of the
Residence Inn roof line is at 50.3 feet. The gatehouse, attached to the main building, is
one -story with a roof peak height of 25.3 feet. The Springhill Suites building is 68.5 feet
at its highest point.
The sign package includes a ground sign and wall signs. The sign package is incomplete
at this point. It is hopeful that the signage can be presented in detail at the Committee
level.
Members of the public were invited to speak in favor or opposition to this petition; no
one appeared and the public hearing was closed.
Laurence Lillig reported that the Department is recommending that this item be
forwarded to the April 11 Special Study Committee meeting.
John Sharpe asked that the petitioner be prepared to answer questions regarding traffic
impact on Pennsylvania and the widening of Pennsylvania. Mr. Sharpe wanted to be sure
that the public is aware that College Drive (Street) that runs through the Conseco campus
will be closed off and will not be a thoroughfare.
Kevin Kirby commented that College will be closed, torn up, and will not connect with
any other street, outside the Conseco campus.
Laurence Lillig stated that the center one third of College that passes through the
Conseco campus will be converted to a mini park -like setting connecting the Conseco
campus. At the point where College Drive connects with Pennsylvania Street on the
east/west and from Congressional Blvd. on the east side, there will be two cul -de -sacs;
the only connection between them will be via the Conseco parking lots on the north and
south.
John Molitor clarified that the street is not College Avenue that becomes Congressional
Boulevard as it goes north, it is the east/west street called College Drive that connects
Congressional and Pennsylvania.
Docket No. 61 -00 DP /ADLS, Residence Inn and Spring Hill Suites, was forwarded to
Special Study Committee that will meet on April 11 at 7:00 PM in the Caucus Rooms of
City Hall.
3h. Docket No. 64 -00 CPA, Comprehensive Plan Amendment application for the
Carmel /Clay Plan Commission. This proposal would add to the Carmel /Clay
Township Comprehensive Plan (2020 Vision) a series of specific
recommendations resulting from a multi jurisdictional transportation and land use
study titled the 96 th Street Corridor Study.
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Filed by the Department of Community Services.
Michael Hollibaugh of the Department of Community Services appeared before the
Commission. This particular petition would amend the Carmel /Clay 2020
Comprehensive Plan by establishing specific policies and recommendations for land use
along, and improvements to the 96 Street Corridor between College Avenue and the
Hamilton /Boone County Line. Mike Hollibaugh introduced John Meyers to explain
further.
John Meyers of Parsons, Brinckerhoff, Quaid and Douglas, 47 South Pennsylvania Street,
Indianapolis, appeared before the Commission and explained the purpose of the project,
described the process and reviewed findings and recommendations. The DOCS was
directly involved in the planning process that has resulted in the Study Report. A
combination technical discussion and public input supported this process. The purpose of
the study was to look at land use and transportation along 96 Street between Michigan
Road and Keystone Avenue. The study was sponsored by the Indianapolis Metropolitan
Planning Organization who represents the City of Indianapolis, Marion County, and the
major urbanized parts of Hamilton County and Johnson County.
This was a regional planning study and included Carmel, the City of Indianapolis,
Hamilton County, INDOT, and representatives in the transportation working group from
Nora Community Council, Deerfield Neighborhood Assoc., Cedar Knolls Neighborhood
Assoc., and Clay West Information Council. The group met monthly for approximately
10 months. There were three public meetings during the study period: February,
September, and October. These meetings were well attended and there was a lot of
involvement from the public.
The study area had three major interchanges: one on each end at Michigan and Keystone,
and one in the middle at Meridian. These interchanges affected transportation patterns
and land use greatly. The land use is essentially a residential corridor until the "nodes"
where the interchanges are -at that point, there are strong commercial areas. The traffic
patterns show that the three nodes tend to suck traffic from around them; in between are
much lower traffic volumes. The function of 96 Street is a conduit to those interchanges
and in that way, it is very different from 86 Street, from 106 Street, and from 116
because it is not serving cross county traffic of any distance. This is a significant point in
respect to the findings of the study group.
Usually, improved capacity on roadways improves access on the other end which causes
development which causes an increase in traffic- -that is not the case here. If 96 were
widened to 4 lanes, it would draw traffic from 86 Street, 106 Street, and in effect,
would begin to serve a different function. It would no longer be a collector serving the
major nodes where the interchanges area, it would, in fact, because of the capacity of a
four lane road, serve more as a through roadway. INDOT saw this as an advantage and
advocated four lanes. INDOT has an issue with interstate highways and sees these as
having a purpose for long distance travel. It was difficult for committee members to
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think of a residential street, such as 96th Street, serving as a reliever to I465. It 96
Street were made 4 lanes, it would carry a significant increase in traffic.
The findings and recommendations: 96 Street is residential in character for most of its
length, with the exception of the nodes mentioned earlier. There are quality of life issues
in addition to the traffic movement issues. Comprehensive Plans of all of the agencies
involved on both side of the county line recommend preserving the existing
neighborhoods and protecting them from "commercial creep" that might come from these
nodes. As long as development occurs within existing residential zoning categories, there
would be a minimum impact on the need for additional lanes on 96 Street. Public
comments were very strong in advocating the retention of the residential land uses and
residential character of the area.
The interchanges have a very significant effect locally in the immediate vicinity, such as
the Meridian interchange has a significant impact from Springmill to College, and
beyond that, very little impact. This is true at the other interchanges as well. The
findings of the study were based on land use assumptions made that if the land use
assumptions change significantly, such as significant rezones of land currently zoned
residential, that would affect the recommendations; this is also true if the capacity is not
there at those interchanges.
The study group did find that accommodating the traffic levels outside of the commercial
nodes is feasible with a two -lane road if it is a well designed two -lane road with auxiliary
lanes at intersections and major entry points. Citizens opposed the widening of 96
Street outside the commercial areas. There is a need to improve all of the intersections
along 96 Street because they are really "key" in terms of what can be done with the
lanes along the entire route. Certainly there is a need to improve four way stops that exist
in western Clay Township; depending on development, similar statements could be made
at College, Springmill and Westfield Boulevard. Either round abouts or traffic signals
could be used at the various intersections along the route. If signalization were used, the
addition of a left turn lane would be needed at every approach; so every approach to a
signal should have at least two lanes. At Towne, Ditch, Springmill and College, based on
the forecast of traffic signal installation, there would also be a need in at least one
direction of an additional through lane. The intersections would have to be widened to
accommodate two through lanes through the intersection, and then narrow down on the
other side. This is a compromise in safety and a discomfort in having to merge on the
other side of every intersection -this is one of the disadvantages of traffic signals.
If round abouts are designed properly, they can operate well with a two lane road with a
higher capacity without having to have the need for an additional through lane and having
to merge on the other side. Round abouts improve traffic flow during non -peak periods,
they are compatible with a four lane roadway design if the road is widened later, and
there is an opportunity for aesthetic treatment that is consistent in a residential setting.
Over time, the round abouts are less expensive to maintain and they do not use
electricity. Public input showed the likelihood of acceptance of round abouts.
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Since 86 Street and 116 Street are primary arterials, and since I465 is intended to serve
longer distance travel, these routes should be the focus in addressing long term, regional
travel needs. Any improvements to 96 Street should be designed to minimize right -of-
way impact, support residential neighborhoods, and advance overall residential character,
and where feasible, consideration should be given to residential parkway techniques that
provide for safe and efficient flow of traffic in a neighborhood setting. Where feasible,
improvements along the corridor should incorporate multi -use paths and a special effort
should be made to connect the Monon Trail to multi -use paths on Michigan Road.
It is the recommendation of the study group that adjoining jurisdictions should continue
to cooperate and coordinate when making land use and transportation decisions in the
corridor. In terms of intersections and roadways, subject to final engineering, round-
abouts should receive primary consideration for design and implementation at Springmill
Road, Ditch Road, Towne Road, and Shelborne Road. Since improvements are already
warranted, these engineering studies should commence as soon as feasible. These studies
should consider and address potential back -ups from proposed or potential signalized
intersections or entry points to ensure that back -ups will not occur through the round-
abouts. Round abouts should be constructed only if the engineering studies show that
blockages will not occur. The 96 Street/Meridian Street intersection should be
improved to accommodate localized, commercialized traffic in a manner that does not
encourage development traffic in residential areas.
A right turn lane should be considered at 96 and Westfield Boulevard. The main
problem at this intersection on the Hamilton County side is that there is only one lane
northbound; half the traffic turns right toward Keystone, the other half goes north. If
there were a right turn lane, it would provide a significant amount of signal time for the
other movements. The reason there is no right turn lane now is that it would have to be
built over a bridge. The bridge over I465 would have to be widened to accommodate a
right turn lane; it is still a recommendation because of the impact it would have. This is
in lieu of building a bridge extending 96 Street across I465.
In regard to roadways, 96 Street should be widened to four lanes with a center left turn
or 5 lanes between Michigan Road and Shelborne, and between Springmill and College,
subject to specific studies of development in these areas, and between Haverstick and
Keystone Avenue. In other words, those sections that are a part of or adjacent to the
commercial areas will need additional lanes and that should be done depending upon the
development itself. 96 Street should be up- graded to an improved, two -lane roadway
between Shelborne and Springmill, between College and Real Street, and between
Westfield and Haverstick. The improved roadway should provide adequate intersection
treatments, standard lane widths, and auxiliary lanes at major entry points. Where
possible, right -of -way for widening should be taken from undeveloped land. As
development and land use changes occur, right -of -way should be dedicated consistent
with the functional classification of secondary arterial or higher, depending on location,
and right -of -way from property already developed should not be taken until the need is
specifically identified in the corridor design study.
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Members of the public were invited to speak in favor of the petition that would amend the
2020 Comprehensive Plan and incorporate the 96 Street Corridor Study; the following
appeared:
Sharon Clark, 11932 Pebblebrook Lane, County Commissioner who participated in the
96 Street study, commented that there was good representation from all segments of the
community and the County has already begun design for the intersection at 96 and
Towne Road that will incorporate a round about. There is also a TIF District set up
between Shelborne Road and 96 Street (county line) to widen and again support the
study results.
Mark Rattermann, 11257 St. Andrews Lane, representing the Original Clay West
Information Council, appeared before the Commission and stated that Brian Shapiro had
represented the Clay West Council. There were several meetings and a lot of citizen
participation. Mr. Rattermann was complimentary of the MPO and all organizations that
participated in the corridor study. Mr. Rattermann was definitely in favor of the findings
and recommendations in the 96 Street study.
Members of the public were invited to speak in opposition to the petition; no one
appeared.
Laurence Lillig reported that the Department is recommending suspension of the Rules in
order to come to a vote this evening. The Department further recommends that this item
be forwarded to the City Council with a favorable recommendation.
The public hearing was then closed.
In response to questions from Ron Houck, John Meyers stated that there is not sufficient
right -of -way along the 96 Corridor to accommodate the enhanced treatment talked
about. Where newer developments are in place, there may be opportunities to do some
things where setbacks are less; a detailed Corridor Study should occur that would
specifically look at the entire route.
Marilyn Anderson questioned the levels of service at a number of signalized intersections
in the study. John Meyers responsed that levels E and F are unacceptable; D may not be
the most desirable, but it is generally deemed to be acceptable in urbanized areas. "D" is
the standard used in Indianapolis Carmel /Clay looks for a "C" level of service.
Kevin Kirby moved for the suspension of the Rules in order to vote on this petition.
APPROVED 15 -0.
Kevin Kirby moved for the approval of Docket No. 64 -00 CPA, 96 th Street Corridor
Study. APPROVED 15 -0.
Pat Rice moved that the Corridor Design Study be initiated by MPO using Federal Funds.
APPROVED 15 -0.
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I. Old Business:
Docket No. 98 -99 Z, Rezone application for Kite Real Estate, Inc. The
petitioner seeks approval of a rezone to PUD /planned unit development in order
to construct two retail buildings on 37.076 acres. The site is located southeast of
East 146 Street and US 31. The site is zoned B -2 /Business, R -1 /Residential and
R -4 /Residential within the US 31 Overlay Zone and the SR 431 Overlay Zone.
Filed by Paul G. Reis of the Reis Law Firm.
Paul Reis, attorney, 12358 Hancock Street, Carmel, appeared before the Commission
representing Kite Real Estate, Inc. Paul Kite of the Kite Companies was in attendance as
well as County Commissioner Sharon Clark; Michael Howard, County Attorney; David
Roush of Ratio Architects; and Steve Fehribach of A &F Engineering.
Mr. Reis reported that the petitioner had met with the Special Study Committee 4 times in
order to review and modify the PUD Ordinance and to further refine the Architectural
Design, Lighting, Landscaping, and Signage for this project. The petitioner has also met
with the president of Danbury Homeowners Association, subdivision immediately to the
east, and an agreement has been reached with the homeowners for the construction of a
screening wall and related landscaping for the benefit of the Danbury Estates
neighborhood.
Significant development, design, and signage requirements have been added to the
proposed Ordinance, plans, and renderings. The renderings were described; the design
shown includes the sign package. The sign for the garden center is 25.5 square feet, the
lumberyard sign is 22.5 square feet, the main Lowe's sign is 144 square feet; all signage
is in accordance with the PUD Ordinance. The north facade faces 146 Street. A
limestone colored cap as opposed to the blue trim has been incorporated into the design;
the glass is a dark, green /grey color and samples are available for inspection. There is no
signage on the east facade; the west facade will have one Lowe's sign, approximately 100
square feet as provided for in the Ordinance. There are all brick materials used in the
building, the roof is metal, dark grey in color.
The south building has changed substantially. The glass tower has been eliminated. If
this building goes to a multi tenant building and steel access doors or overhead doors are
included on the south facade, the petitioner will add an 8 foot masonry screening wall so
that it cannot be seen from the northbound ramp coming onto the property. If there is
more than one tenant, the signage is defined and sized as per the Ordinance -it is
measured perpendicular to the right -of -way of Keystone Avenue. The signage consists of
white letters with white returns, and will be consistent on all of the buildings within the
center itself.
The landscape plan is two -phase because there is no tenant thus far for the second
building. There is a possibility that the second building may not be built initially; in that
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event, the area will be seeded, and retention ponds with landscaping will be installed.
There is also perimeter landscaping. As discussed at the committee level, there are
aerator jets in the two retention ponds and also in the larger retention pond to the south so
that the ponds are maintained and there is no stagnant, standing water in the ponds.
There is also up- lighting around both buildings -no wall packs. The car corral has been
designed so that it is the same materials and compatible with the buildings themselves so
that there is a consistent look throughout. There is a center identification sign on
Greyhound Pass extension, 10 feet high and 75 feet in sign area; this sign will reflect
Lowe's and additional signage depending on how the second building develops.
The wall proposed between Danbury Estates and the Lowe's project was approved by the
Danbury Homeowners and involves evergreen trees being planted along the east side of
the wall. The east side of the wall will be irrigated so that the trees will have water and
the area will be maintained. The strip will be kept by the developer and maintained by
the owner of the center.
The petitioner has discussed at length with the Special Study Committee the potential re-
use of the Lowe's building should Lowe's no longer occupy the space. The same
development standards have been provided in the second building as far as size of the
retail space, the users, etc. so that it is all compatible and consistent throughout. Mr. Reis
was complimentary of the Special Study Committee for exercising extreme patience and
consideration and were very helpful in putting together a very attractive plan and project
for the community.
Paul Spranger reported that the Committee had worked diligently with the petitioner in
making changes to the project because of its location. There were a number of
concessions made by the applicant and a number of different approaches were looked at.
It is a use in the 31 corridor that is non conforming, however it is an isolated parcel
because of what will happen with the interchange. The Committee voted to recommend
approval, four in favor, Jim O'Neal opposed. One area that was not scrutinized as
carefully as it could have been is the HVAC tower and the screening.
Jim O'Neal was complimentary of the petitioner for working well with the Committee.
Jim O'Neal stated that his reason for the negative vote is that the north Meridian Task
Force had been working for four years to keep North Meridian, from 146 to 96th Street,
as attractive as possible from the standpoint of landscaping, architectural and types of
businesses. The Lowe's store in the Glendale area has goods spread over a vast area. It is
difficult to see how the Lowe's at 146 and Meridian could keep everything under cover,
in fact, it would seem impossible for Lowe's to keep all of the promises made to the
Special Study Committee once Lowe's opens for business. It is the feeling that if this
project is built, it will be a continuation of development north of 146 Street to the south
and east side of Meridian. If the project is eventually approved by City Council, Jim
O'Neal challenged the City and the developer to keep this project as neat and clean as the
developers have promised because Carmel deserves the best.
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Ron Houck commented that given the area north of 146' Street and how it has
developed, the Lowe's project is probably not unreasonable.
Pat Rice questioned the screening of the HVAC unit atop the building. Paul Reis
responded that there was a specific item in the PUD Ordinance that deals with the HVAC
screening. It specifically states that any rooftop mechanical equipment visible from an
adjoining street or highway shall be screened with suitable walls or fencing, subject to the
approval of the Plan Commission or committee of the Plan Commission.
Pat Rice specifically questioned the material used for the screening of the HVAC.
Dave Roush of Ratio Architects submitted a sample of the metal, standing seam, roofing
material and stated that this would not enclose any mechanical. Any mechanical
equipment located on the roof would be concealed by a high parapet. Typically, an eifus
material or materials consistent with the building would be used. However, at this point,
it is not anticipated that any equipment will be visible.
Leo Dierckman moved for the approval of Docket No. 98 -99 Z, Kite Real Estate, Inc.,
subject to this project being taken out of the U.S. 31 corridor pursuant to City Council's
amendment to the Overlay Zone on March 20, 2000.
Laurence Lillig reported for the Department that the character and use proposed by this
petition are disparate with the planning policies for the US 31 corridor as well as
fundamentally inconsistent with the deliberate limitation of pure retail in the corridor. It
is with this in mind that the Department recommends this item be forwarded to the City
Council with a negative recommendation.
John Molitor, Counsel, commented that the Ordinance incorporates defnitions as they are
in effect on October 22, 1999. Some additional definitions were forwarded earlier
tonight. John Molitor suggested that the petitioner might want to wait to go before
Council until April 17 because of the addition of the definition of Sexually- Oriented
Business. Also, towards the end of the PUD, there are some provisions as to ADLS and
Development Plans that refer to re- submissions to the Committee of the Plan
Commission -this is generally dealt with in the Rules of Procedure. John suggested that
procedures or amendments to ADLS and Development Plans be in accordance with the
Plan Commission's Rules of Procedure. Also, the PUD has the effect of automatically
removing the project from the 31 corridor.
Leo Dierckman then amended his motion to provide that any re- submission or appeal of
this project would be in accordance with the Plan Commission's Rules of Procedure and
to eliminate the condition in the original motion that this project be taken out of the U.S.
31 Corridor.
The motion was then restated:
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Docket No. 98 -99 Z, Rezone application for Kite Real Estate, Inc. was recommended
for APPROVAL, AS AMENDED to provide that any re- submission or appeal of the
project would be in accordance with the Plan Commission's Rules of Procedure, and
also, to eliminate the language that would take this project out of the US 31
Corridor. APPROVED 9 in favor, 6 opposed (Dave Cremeans; Wayne Haney; Nick
Kestner; Norma Meighen; Jim O'Neal; and John Sharpe.)
2i. Docket No. 5 -00 PP, Primary Plat application for SCM Development. The
petitioner seeks approval to plat 6 residential lots on 13.13 acres to be known as
Springwood Subdivision. The site is located northwest of the intersection of West 106
Street and Spring Mill Road. The site is zoned S -2 /Residential and is being developed as
a Non Qualifying Subdivision under ROSO. The petitioner also seeks approval of the
following Subdivision Waivers:
6 -00 SW
SCO 6.3.20
to plat a private street
7 -00 SW
SCO 6.2.1
to subdivide land within a floodway
8 -00 SW
SCO 6.3.19(4) to plat lots within 50 feet of Springmill Road
9 -00 SW
SCO 6.3.22
to alter accel /decel /passing blister design
10 -00 SW
SCO 8.9.1
to terminate internal sidewalks 60 feet short of the
Springmill Road right -of -way
11 -00 SW
SCO 8.9.2
to install a 4 foot wide, meandering sidewalk instead of an
8 foot wide multi -use path
18 -00 SW
SCO 7.4
to plat 4.0% open space
19 -00 SW
SCO 7.6(F)
to forego submittal of an Open Space Plan
20 -00 SW
SCO 7.7(A)
to circumvent minimum design standards
21 -00 SW
SCO 7.7(B)
to alter existing natural open space
22 -00 SW
SCO 7.7(C)
to exclude Primary Secondary areas
23 -00 SW
SCO 7.7(D)
to forego protection of Primary areas
24 -00 SW
SCO 7.7(F)
to forego protection of Secondary areas
25 -00 SW
SCO 7.7(J)
to forego protection of Woodlands
26 -00 SW
SCO 7.7(K)
to forego submittal of a Woodlands Evaluation
27 -00 SW
SCO 7.7(L)
to forego protection of vegetation
Filed by James J. Nelson of Nelson Frankenberger for SCM Development
Jim Nelson, attorney, 3663 Brumley Way, Carmel, appeared before the Commission
representing SCM Development. Also in attendance was Mike Klein of SCM
Development. As a result of the review process, there were some changes made to the
plan at the Subdivision Committee level. The real estate will be developed as
Springwood Subdivision and is located northwest of the intersection of West 106 Street
and Springmill Road. The primary plat was presented to the Commission for public
hearing on February 15, 2000. The plan for Springwood is to create a residential
community consisting of 6, large, residential homesites with the lots ranging in size from
1 1/2 acres up to 3 acres. From the inception, the plan was to provide for a small enclave
of estate homesites, providing for up -scale home, with the emphasis on intimacy, and
privacy.
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At the time this development had public hearing, four of the six lots had been sold; as of
this evening, all six lots have been spoken for. During the review process at the
Committee level, the following changes were made. The plan was amended to include
sidewalks internal to the development that began at the entrance gate and proceeded on
all sides of the internal roadway. A variance is still required because the sidewalks do
not extend from the entry gate eastward to Springmill Road. In order to accommodate
schoolchildren, sidewalks have been provided internal to the development and a
pedestrian gate that would permit schoolchildren to walk through the entry to arrive at the
bus. In lieu of the alternate transportation pathway, a four foot wide, concrete sidewalk
has been provided adjacent and parallel to Springmill Road, consistent with the type of
perimeter sidewalk treatment that now exists on developed portions of Springmill Road.
The next change involves lot 93. Lot #3 is 3 acres in size, adjacent to the floodway of
Williams Creek, and heavily wooded. The developer has created an area 1.3 acres in size
that is designated as a conservation easement. Within the conservation area, the
developer has precluded any removal of trees of any kind or nature except as may need to
be removed as part of any drainage work along Williams Creek. To the west is a 15 to 20
acre parcel of real estate that is now and has been for many years, designated as a
conservancy district.
The Primary Plat application does provide for a number of variances from the Residential
Open Space. These variances arise from the private nature of Springwood and the fact
that the open space and tree preservation areas occur on individual lots rather than in a
separate area to be owned by the association or accessible by all members of the
community.
At the Subdivision Committee, the questions was asked if the Commission was able to
reduce the amount of required open space from 12.5% to 4 Under Section 7.14, the
Commission is given the opportunity to do that, however, it cannot exceed 35 In
considering 18 -00 SW, it would be in the form of a variance as opposed to a Subdivision
Waiver.
Ron Houck reported that the Subdivision Committee did examine each of the waivers, or
requests, and what necessitated each one. The Committee felt that community standards
dictated that sidewalks were something that should be provided in every subdivision to
allow for safe passage and the petitioner did agree. Also, deferring the installation of a
multi -use, external path was not totally in keeping with the philosophy of inter-
connecting subdivisions and parcels of land; with that, the petitioner agreed to install a
four foot wide sidewalk consistent with the subdivision to the north. The sidewalk is
appropriate, will meet community standards, and will not impose an undue burden on the
developer. The Committee voted unanimously to approve the proposed subdivision with
the waivers requested and the petitioner's agreement to install the sidewalk.
Laurence Lillig reported the Department's position that the Subdivision could be
constructed without the requested Waiver. Further, the Department has concluded that
this petition is not in harmony with the purposes of the open space chapter, nor has the
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petitioner demonstrated that the Waivers will produce equal or better results than a plan
without the Waivers. The Department does not support the Waiver requests and suggests
that this item be forwarded to the April 11, 2000 Subdivision Committee for additional
review. In respect to Docket 6 -00 SW, the Committee requested that a private inspection
be done on the streets.
The petitioner agreed to provide the Department with a private inspection demonstrating
that the streets are built to County standards; this is further spelled out in a formal letter
from the petitioner dated March 8, 2000.
John Molitor recommended that the Commission suspend its Rules and consider the
Waiver in batch rather than individually. If the Waivers are not granted, it would be in
order to send it back to Committee for further review.
In response to questions from Madeline Fitzgerald, Ron Houck stated that given the
nature and design of this small subdivision, the Committee felt that it was not
inappropriate to allow private streets in this instance. The 6 lot owners have spoken up to
say that they are willing to maintain the private streets and they understand the terms up
front.
Jim O'Neal moved for the suspension of the rules. APPROVED.
Jim O'Neal moved for the approval of all of the Waivers and one Variance, APPROVED
13 in favor, none opposed.
Jim O'Neal moved for the approval of Docket No. 5 -00 PP, Springwood Subdivision.
APPROVED 13 in favor, none opposed.
3i. Docket No. 12 -00 PP, Maebeck Commons Subdivision.
TABLED to the April 18 meeting.
4i. Docket No. 36 -00 ADLS, Architectural Design, Lighting Signage application
for Equicor Development. The petitioner requests approval of two multi- tenant,
multi -level general office buildings on two parcels totaling 4.386 acres to be
known as Fidelity Keystone Office Park. The site is located northwest of the
intersection of East Carmel Drive and Keystone Way. The site is zoned B-
8 /Business.
Filed by David B. Huffman of CSO Engineers for Equicor Development.
Gordon Byers, attorney, appeared before the Commission representing Equicor. Mr.
Byers deferred to the Special Study Committee report.
Paul Spranger, chairman of the Special Study Committee, reported that the committee
granted "Limited Approval" of the project due to the issue of access. There is no street
frontage on this parcel of real estate and the petitioner was allowed time to work this out
with the City. Steak N' Shake submitted a letter agreeing to workout access via a curb
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cut in conjunction with the City Streetscape renovation. Additionally, a FAX was
received by Steve Engelking from Gordon Byers stating that the Carmel Board of Public
Works had approved ingress /egress from Carmel Drive to the site.
Gordon Byers responded to questions from the Commission in regard to traffic. Gordon
stated that a sign package was not submitted and the applicant understands that he will
have to come back to the Plan Commission for signage approval. With respect to the
ingress /egress, the petitioner has been working with the City on this point. At the time
the City renovates the Carmel Drive Streetscape, the Keystone Way access will be
limited to right in /right out. As a solution, the petitioner has proposed two lanes out and
one lane in to the property. The reason Steak N' Shake is relevant is that the City put the
burden on the petitioner to align the intersection with Steak N' Shake and Steak N' Shake
has agreed, as evidenced by the letter. The petitioner will have ability to stack traffic on
site and have access out, both to the west and the east as well as access into the site. The
plan for ingress /egress was approved by the Board of Public Works and Safety.
The petitioner also owns the bank property and the legal descriptions will be consolidated
and frontage will not be an issue, as it relates to signage and building permits. An
attempt will be made to time the construction of the project with the Carmel Drive
Streetscape improvement.
Ron Houck moved for the approval of Docket No. 36 -00 ADLS, Fidelity Keystone
Office Park. APPROVED 13 in favor, none opposed.
5i. Docket No. 38 -00 PP, Primary Plat application for Kosene Kosene. The
petitioner requests approval to plat 24 lots on 10.65 acres to be known as Fairgreen
Trace Subdivision, Phase II. The site is located northwest of the intersection of East
116 Street and South Range Line Road. The site is zoned R -1 /Residential and is being
developed as a Qualifying Subdivision under ROSO. The petitioner also seeks approval
of the following Subdivision Waivers.
39 -00 SW SCO 6.5.1 to plat lots with less than 50 feet of road frontage
40 -00 SW SCO 6.3.6 to plat a residential street with 40 feet of right -of -way
41 -00 SW SCO 6.3.6 to construct a residential street 24 feet in width
42 -00 SW SCO 6.3.15(3) to plat a residential street with radius less than 150'
43 -00 SW SCO 7.7 (D)(7) to clear more than 50% of the scrub woodlands
Filed by Roger C. Ward, Jr. of Roger Ward Engineering for Kosene Kosene.
Gary Weaver, 50 East 91 Street, Indianapolis, appeared before the Commission
representing the applicant. The petitioner has been working to eliminate the number of
variances. Changes have been made in the street configurations- -the street extensions
now terminate in cul -de -sacs; this allowed the petitioner to preserve the trees in the center
of the site.
The variance to reduce 50 feet of road frontage is only for the largest lots within the
development at the curb line. At the building line, the lot width is the same as all other
lots. Mr. Weaver stated the petitioner's case for the variances being requested.
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The petitioner has met with the City Engineer who agrees with the plan as presented.
The traffic patterns are workable and acceptable. Fairgreen Trace I is being extended,
and the open space in the original plan is being extended and connected. The petitioner is
eliminating the request for Variances 40 -00 SW and 42 -00 SW.
Ron Houck reported that the Committee was concerned about on- street parking and had
asked that the street width be increased from 24 feet to 26 feet. Also, there was a concern
regarding the path leading to the east via an access between two lots.
The petitioner stated that they have allowed for a larger lot adjacent to the existing pond
to accommodate the path.
Ron Houck stated that the Committee had requested that the path be put into place as a
part of the development. The Committee had also requested decorative signage posted
that would allow parking on one side of the street.
Laurence Lillig reported that the Department only received revised drawings today. The
drawings reflect the need for 42 -00 SW. The Engineering Department still has concerns
with the proposed layout and is willing to work with the petitioner.
Ron Houck moved to TABLE Docket No. 38 -00 PP to the April meeting.
APPROVED 12 favor, Jim O'Neal opposed.
New Business
1j. Docket No. 37 -00 ADLS, McDonald's, OFFICIALLY WITHDRAWN
There being no further business to come before the Commission, the meeting was
adjourned at 11:45 PM.
David A. Cremeans, President
Ramona Hancock, Secretary
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