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CARMEL /CLAY PLAN COMMISSION
April 15, 2003
MINUTES
The regularly scheduled meeting of the Carmel /Clay Plan Commission met at 7:00 PM in the
Council Chambers of City Hall, Carmel, Indiana.
Members in attendance were Marilyn Anderson; Stephanie Blackman; Jerry Chomanczuk; Dave
Cremeans; Leo Dierckman; Dan Dutcher; Wayne Haney; Ron Houck; Nick Kestner; and Pat Rice,
thereby establishing a quorum.
DOCS Staff in attendance were Mike Hollibaugh, Director, and Jon Dobosiewicz. John Molitor,
Legal Counsel, was also in attendance.
The minutes of the March meeting were approved as submitted.
John Molitor referred to a proposed amendment to the Rules of Procedure —this item will be
reported on further for Commission action at the completion of regular business this evening.
Jon Dobosiewicz reported that the Ritz Charles Accessory Building was inadvertently omitted from
the Agenda. This item will be heard this evening as the last item of business.
H. Public Hearings
1h. Docket No. 05 -03 DP /ADLS; Old Meridian Professional Building
The applicant seeks approval to construct an office building. The site is located at
the southwest corner of Old Meridian Street and Pennsylvania Street. The site is
zoned B -6 /Business within the US 31 Overlay Zone.
Filed by James K. Wheeler of Coots, Henke Wheeler for John N. Kirk and
Lowell Thomas Kirk.
Jim Wheeler of Coots, Henke Wheeler appeared before the Commission and distributed
informational booklets to the members.
Due to inadequate time for review, the Commission tabled this item to its next regularly
scheduled meeting, May 20, 2003.
Note: Commission members should remember to bring their informational booklet to the
meeting next month.
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2h. Docket No. 43 -03 CA, 44 -03 ADLS Amend;
Indiana Development Training Center
(Commitment Amendment ADLS Amend)
The applicant seeks to construct a building addition. The site is located at 11075
North Pennsylvania Street. The site is zoned B -5 /Business.
Filed by Richard F. Steldt of Richard F. Steldt and Associates for J. B. M. J. M.
of Indiana, Inc.
Richard Steldt, Architect, Milwaukee, Wisconsin appeared before the Commission representing
the applicant. Also in attendance: Mike Flores, Director of Indiana Development Training
Center, and Bob Doster, Schneider Engineering.
Indiana Development Training Center is a campus for developmentally disabled residents, some
of which live on campus, some visit the campus. The current proposal is to construct a building
addition and modify the site plan to allow classroom sizes more in keeping with their needs in
administering education. On the northern side of the addition is a gymnasium with 20 -foot high
ceilings with the ability to have a basketball court on it. On the opposite side is a room that will
be used for vocational training; adjoining this is a dock area where products can be picked up
and shipped.
The center, existing building will be remodeled to allow for 10 more beds. The current layout of
the parking and the construction of the addition will present a new front to Pennsylvania Street.
The addition will match the existing brick and roof materials. The landscape plan meets the
Ordinance.
Bob Doster, Schneider Engineering, spoke to the Commission in terms of the grading and
drainage, and storm water management. In regard to the landscape plan, along 111 Street and
along Pennsylvania Street, there is an existing legal drain approximately 30 feet wide. Some of
the existing landscaping is in the legal drain; however, additional planting is prevented in this
area. Therefore, the existing landscape will be maintained as much as possible along
Pennsylvania Street and along the frontage of 1 I I Street as well as the interior landscaping.
Members of the public were invited to speak in support or opposition to the petitions; no one
appeared and the public hearing was closed.
Jon Dobosiewicz reported that the Department's questions in regard to the landscaping have
been answered with the legal drain in place. There is one other issue with a sidewalk identified
along l l I t Street the Ordinance requires a 10 -foot asphalt path and this should be addressed
by commitment for improvement at some future date when those facilities are extended or
expanded adjacent to this parcel.
The Department is asking the Plan Commission to approve the Commitment Amendment this
evening. The exclusive issue that the commitment involves is the site plan. At the time of the
original submission, there was much concern about improvements on the site and how they
would be laid out. The proposed plan would replace the previously approved plan. Upon
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construction of an accessory building 18 months ago, the plan was amended at that time. The
other building addition is an ADLS amendment and the Department is requesting that the
Committee take final action on May 13, 2003. At this time, the Department is asking the Plan
Commission to suspend its Rules of Procedure to act on the Commitment Amendment this
evening, and final action on the ADLS at the Committee level.
Jerry Chomanczuk asked whether or not the parking requirements are in accordance with the
Ordinance. Mr. Steldt responded that the petitioner is actually providing more than required.
The Ordinance requires one space per staff member, and one per bed. This requirement is being
met, however, no residents in the facility drive and shift over lapping is provided in the
maximum.
Ron Houck had additional questions about parking spaces. Jon Dobosiewicz responded that this
project was reviewed under the category of nursing, retirement, or convalescent facility.
Mr. Steldt said they are adding approximately 50 parking spaces to meet the Ordinance. At
present, there are about 170 spaces.
Ron Houck asked about the level of disability and the proposed gymnasium. Mr. Steldt
responded that the disability is not physical in all cases; some are developmentally.
Mike Flores, Director of Indiana Development Training Center, said all of the children are
ambulatory, get around quite well, and are mentally retarded with some accompanying emotional
problems and severe learning disorders such as autism. The children are very active and the
outdoor spaces would not change at all according to the plan. Typically, the gymnasium facility
would not be available for outside sources, although Indiana Development Training Center does
enter into sports leagues with similar facilities such as Lutherwood, Damar, Noble Centers, etc.
Leo Dierckman was willing to suspend the Rules of Procedure; however, there were only 9
persons in attendance and 10 are required. Further action was delayed in the evening until
additional members joined the meeting.
3h. Docket No. 45 -03 DP /ADLS; Mark Swanson Building
The applicant seeks to construct a multi- tenant building. The site is located at
550 East 106th Street. The site is zoned 13-5 /13usiness and is within the Home
Place District Overlay Zone.
Filed by Mark A. Swanson.
Mark Swanson, architect, 10610 North Park Avenue, Indianapolis 46280, appeared before the
Commission representing the applicant. Dennis Lockwood, architect was also present.
The current proposal is for the construction of an office facility in the Home Place area located
on 106 Street between Ruckle Street to the west and Park Avenue to the east, approximately
two blocks west of the intersection of College Avenue and 106 Street. The Ameritech building
is to the west and Carmel Glass Mirror to the east.
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The property is currently zoned B -5 /Business and is .69 acres in size. There is approximately
295 feet of frontage on 106 Street, about 102 feet deep. The building is located in the center of
the property with a parking lot on each side. The site is also located within the Home Place
Overlay Zone. The proposal is for a two -story building containing about 13,260 square feet
There are existing trees on the north side of the property and a walk will be constructed along the
southern edge of the property and the building. The building materials are steel, faced with brick
veneer and stucco (EFIS) materials. The rooftop mechanical equipment will be shielded from
view with stucco materials. There will be a central corridor through the middle of the building
with circulation on each side, a stair tower and public restrooms on each side. The stair tower
will be faced with EFIS material.
Mark Swanson stated he had held preliminary meetings to look at the feasibility of the project
with the County Surveyor's Office, County Highway Department, DOGS, and the City Urban
Forester. The petitioner has already been before the Technical Advisory Committee for review
and has updated his plans to meet requirements from the TAC committee. The petitioner has
also met with the Greater Home Place Neighborhood Association and was given favorable
approval.
The plans also provide for an identification sign on the south elevation, the size of which is
2'3 "X18'8 The sign is "Plexiglass" with backlit letters with the address above. On the east
and west elevations are locations for signage, the same composition as on the front of the
building. The signs will be 13 feet X 2 feet, also "Plexiglass" and backlit, located at the top of
the building over the second story windows. The rear elevation is primarily brick and stucco, the
lower section of the building is brick veneer wainscott, with stucco above that with windows on
the second floor and on the first floor on the north side of the building.
There will be two light standards, one at each parking lot, not to exceed 15 feet in height. There
will be a wall sconce used near the entry on the east and west sides. There is a wall- washer
fixture located under the sunscreens on the building and will "wash" the building with accent
lighting. There will also be four accent lights on the front of the building where there are no
sunscreen lights.
Members of the public were invited to speak in support of this petition; the following appeared:
Jack Edwards, 10475 Cornell Street, Indianapolis 46280, resident of Home Place, spoke in
favor of the proposed building. The plans were shared with the Greater Home Place
Neighborhood Association and the building will be a great asset and improvement to the
community. Decorative assets not only enhance the appearance of the building but also screen
the mechanical functions. The building has been designed to blend with the neighboring
properties and keeps in spirit with the overall Home Place Overlay Ordinance.
Dick Klar, 10842 North Central Avenue, Indianapolis 46280, President of the Greater Home
Place Neighborhood Association, said Mark Swanson had presented the plans to the Home Place
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Board and received support. Previous projects by Mark Swanson have been done with the
community in mind and the community has supported his efforts 100
Place Neighborhood Association
Jon Dobosiewicz reported for the Department that most of the issues have already been
addressed by the petitioner. One issue for the Plan Commission to decide is the level to which
the building conforms to the requirements, that is buildings will have flat fronts with large
window or door openings. It is the Plan Commission's position to interpret and defend the
Ordinance. If the Plan Commission supports this design, then the Department would suggest
that the petitioner file for a variance from the Home Place Overlay.
Nick Kestner asked if there were a sidewalk or multi purpose path; also, is the signage a box
sign?
Ron Houck encouraged the petitioner to bring samples of signage, show details on the light
fixtures, and specify locations on the building.
Jon Dobosiewicz said the Department will respond to the revised plan and have the information
available to the Committee on May 13'.
Docket No. 45 -03 DP /ADLS, Mark Swanson Building, was forwarded to the Special Study
Committee for further review on May 13, 2003 at 7:00 PM in the Caucus Rooms of City Hall.
Note: Petitioner is to come to Committee prepared to address: The level to which the building
conforms to the requirements; sidewalks; multi purpose path connection; signage; lighting
fixtures and location; material samples.
Note: At this time, the Commission returned to Docket No. 43 -03 CA and 44 -03 ADLS
Amend, Indiana Development Training Center.
Dave Cremeans moved to suspend the Rules of Procedure in order to vote on Docket No. 43 -03
CA, Commitment Amendment, seconded by Leo Dierckman and Approved 10 -0.
Dave Cremeans moved for approval of Docket No. 43 -03 CA, Indiana Development Training
Center, with commitments as shown in the informational packets, seconded by Leo Dierckman.
Dave Cremeans then amended his motion for approval of Docket No. 43 -03 CA, Indiana
Development Training Center, to include language regarding the path and dedication of
additional right -of -way along Pennsylvania Street as negotiated with the City Engineer. Final
approval of Docket No. 44 -03 ADLS Amend will be at Special Study Committee on May 13,
2003. The amended motion was seconded by Leo Dierckman and APPROVED 10 -0.
The Commission then continued with Item 4h on the Agenda.
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4h. Docket No. 48 -03 DP /ADLS; Meridian North Medical
The applicant seeks to construct a multi- tenant building. The site is located at the
southwest corner of 136th Street and US 31. The site is zoned B -5 /Business and
is within the US 31 Overlay Zone.
Filed by Adam Dehart of Keeler -Webb Associates for F.C.C. Development Corp.
Frank Cosmas, 6214 Northwood Drive, Carmel, FCC Development Corp. appeared before the
Plan Commission representing the applicant. The applicant is seeking approval to construct a
two -story, multi tenant building consisting of 21,000 square feet at the southwest corner of 136
Street and US 31, within the US 31 Overlay Zone
The entry to the site will be a shared ingress /egress with a 24 -foot ingress /egress easement for a
tie -in to the Illinois Street extension. A 45 -foot easement is also proposed for the future
widening of 136 Street. The required parking numbers 70 spaces; the applicant is providing 72
parking spaces
The mechanical equipment will be screened from view. Currently, there is a forced main at this
location, and a lift pump will be installed. A stub is also proposed for future tie -in for gravity
sewer when Illinois Street is extended. There is an existing detention pond that was designed for
the entire 5 -acre site; however, the applicant will be located on a portion of the 2.5 acre -site.
Members of the public were invited to speak in opposition to the petition; the following
appeared:
Judy Miller, 13622 Oakridge Road, Carmel 46032, expressed opposition to the petition by
reason of traffic and related congestion. Ms. Miller was also not in favor of a two -story building
on this property.
Scott Wiatt, attorney with Campbell Kyle Proffitt, Carmel Drive, Carmel, appeared before the
Commission on behalf of his client, Dr. Beeson. Dr. Beeson's office is located just opposite the
applicant's property, and requests this item be tabled to allow Dr. Beeson an opportunity to speak
with the petitioner regarding certain issues including lighting, parking, signage and access
easement.
Jill Weihe, 958 West 136 Street, Carmel 46032 expressed opposition because of possible
negative impact on the existing Creek and wildlife in the area.
Rebuttal:
Mr. Cosmas said a traffic study had been submitted to Commission members. Attempts have
been made to sit down with Dr. Beeson and discuss the proposal, but the applicant was told the
Dr. was "....very busy and didn't have time to sit down and talk with us." Mr. Cosmas said
provisions have been made in the form of easements to tie in to Illinois Street. Eventually, the
entryway will be abandoned when Illinois Street is constructed. Under the guidelines of the US
31 Overlay, the building must meet a two -story height requirement.
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The public hearing was then closed.
Jon Dobosiewicz reported for the Department. Mr. Dobosiewicz referred to additional
information distributed by the petitioner that included information requested by the Department
as well as two other items. The two additional items referred to zoning waiver information —the
height of the building, and to allow the Development Plan to proceed at less than five acres in
size. At the time the original Development Plan was proposed, it was anticipated that there
would be future development on this site and a single driveway cut was approved and easements
provided for access into this area for future development. Since the initial Development Plan
proposal, the tract was illegally subdivided and not in conformance with the Subdivision Control
Ordinance placing both properties in non compliance with the Ordinance. The petitioner has
filed a Primary and Secondary Plat that will be before the Technical Advisory Committee
tomorrow; these will also be reviewed by the Plan Commission next month.
At this time, it appears that Dr. Beeson may be willing to negotiate and resolve any issues with
this owner. Ultimately, the petitioner does need to file a Primary Plat—if it is for a one -lot
subdivision, then official notice should be sent to the adjoining owner (Dr. Beeson) that his
property is in violation of the Ordinance. However, the issues could be resolved if the petitioner
were willing to prepare a two -lot subdivision and provide easements in conformance with the
previously approved commitment that Dr. Beeson entered into with the Plan Commission and
the City at the time his site was approved. It is a continued understanding with the Plan
Commission and the City that there are traffic congestion issues. This petitioner is prepared to
grant the City additional right -of -way for improvements at the intersection as well as future
Illinois Street to be in conformance with the City Thoroughfare Plan. There is no question there
is additional traffic, and issues must be prioritized to handle the additional traffic. The Plan
Commission would not be in a position to deny the request for Development Plan and ADLS
approval for this site subject to a generated concern based upon traffic on 136 Street.
If there are appropriate improvements recommended by the City Engineering Dept., we could
explore that issue to determine if additional improvements are necessary at their entrance. The
Department's recommendation is that this item be sent to the Special Study Committee for
further review on May 13, 2003.
Jon Dobosiewicz said a new traffic study had not been presented to the Department; Mr. Cosmas
was unclear as to whether or not a new Traffic Study had been done or whether an existing study
was submitted.
In response to questions from Dave Cremeans, Jon Dobosiewicz stated that typically, a traffic
study would not be required for this particular project.
Ron Houck asked if there were a specific timeline for the construction of Illinois Street
improvements; Jon Dobosiewicz responded in the negative —the City is acquiring right -of -way
now for future construction of Illinois Street.
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Pat Rice asked about the existing creek and wildlife in the area, and whether or not plans are in
place for preservation or re- location of the wildlife; Mr. Cosmas was unsure regarding the
wildlife, but did say they were not cutting down any more trees than needed.
Pat Rice requested the Petitioner come to Committee with a tree inventory.
Docket No. 48 -03 DP /ADLS, Meridian North Medical, was forwarded to the Special Study
Committee for further review on May 13, 2003 at 7:00 PM.
5h. Docket No. 49 -03 PP; Towne Pointe
The applicant seeks approval of a Primary Plat for a 28 -lot residential subdivision
on 25.1± acres. The site is located on the northeast corner of West 131st Street
and Towne Road. The site is zoned S- 1/Residence Estate. The petitioner also
seeks approval of the following Subdivision Waiver for one street:
49 -03a SW SCO 6.3.7 cul -de -sac length
Filed by the Elliot Wright Group, LLC.
Chuck Wright, 14349 Colby Court, Carmel 46032 appeared before the Commission representing
the applicant. Also in attendance were Terry Quillman, Engineer; David Parker, attorney; and
landowners Carol and Richard Koelick.
Mr. Wright explained that the notification on the Subdivision Waiver was sent out via first class
mail the day after the certified mail notice for the Primary Plat was mailed. Mr. Wright asked the
Commission to waive its Rules of Procedure in order to hear the Subdivision Waiver request this
evening concurrently with the Primary Plat proposal.
Pat Rice moved to suspend the Rules of Procedure in order to hear the proposal on Docket 49-
03a, Subdivision Waiver SCO 6.3.7 regarding cul -de -sac length; the motion was seconded by
Dave Cremeans and DENIED 9 -1 (Ron Houck opposed.)
Jon Dobosiewicz recommend proceeding with the public hearing on the Primary Plat as noticed.
Presuming this item will be sent to Committee for review and returned for final action on May
20', the public hearing could then be held on the Subdivision Waiver at that time.
The Plan Commission then continued with the public hearing on the Primary Plat.
Approval is being requested for a residential subdivision to be known as Towne Pointe on the
northeast corner of West 136 Street and Towne Road. The project will consist of 28 half -acre
lots on 25 acres with 30% common area. The site is adjacent to a future preliminary plat filed by
Brenwick Corporation to the east.
One of the major concerns is the storm water on this property; this is being addressed through a
storm sewer on the east -end of the lot running to the retention pond on the east. There have been
several discussions with the utilities, specifically Hamilton County Surveyor. This property is
located at the eastern edge of the watershed area and a good portion of the southern part of the
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property allows the drainage to move to the south. The petitioner has been asked to take the
water to the east in their design of the project, and the County Drainage Board is being petitioned
for waivers on their criteria. Water connection could be supplied to the property from the north
by the City of Carmel or Indianapolis Water from the south. There is a verbal agreement with
Brenwick regarding the storm outlet across Brenwick property to Elliott Creek. The petitioner
has also agreed to provide sanitary sewer according to the plat that Brenwick has filed on the
property to the east.
Due to the difficult drainage, the detention pond is being moved to the eastern end of the
property. The area is also being used as a common area, and is a dry detention pond.
There is an entrance sign proposed at the Towne Road access point.
Mr. Wright stated the proposed Primary Plat meets all of the regulations of S -1 zoning. The
homes will be by custom builders, approximately 2500 square feet, $500,000. The subdivision
entrance will be a continuation of Broad Street from the Village of West Clay. At this time, the
petitioner is requesting favorable consideration of the primary plat proposal.
Members of the public were invited to speak in favor of the petitioner for primary plat; no one
appeared.
Members of the public were invited to speak in opposition to the proposed primary plat; the
following appeared:
Remonstrance /Opposition
Mark Hartman, 13405 Towne Road, opposed due to drainage and that the proposal will distort
the view from the rear of his home. Mr. Hartman stated that he had not met with or been
contacted by the petitioner.
General Questions /Comments from the Public:
James Richey, 2330 West 131 Street, at the south edge of the proposed development, asked the
petitioner to explain the water problem to the south.
Mr. Wright confirmed that he had not spoken with Mr. Hartman and would be glad to schedule a
meeting. Mr. Wright said he had talked with adjacent property owners abutting the property, but
has not expanded two lots. The storm water across the property is being addressed with storm
sewers at the property line.
Terry Quillman, Engineer explained the drainage and installation of storm sewers and provision
for a swale. The slope on the swale will provide a positive outlet to address drainage concerns.
The public hearing was then closed on the Primary Plat.
Jon Dobosiewicz reported for the Department that the establishment of the stub street to the
north is to specifically meet the Ordinance requirements regarding extension into an
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undeveloped tract. A waiver approval would not be required if it were determined that the tract
to the north was appropriately labeled as a developed parcel and the stub street eliminated.
However, we would not want to see future development on the site to the north having an
additional access point onto Towne Road. If Mr. Hartman's property were subdivided such as
the subject parcel, access could be provided off of this particular street rather than a new street
onto Towne Road; this would eliminate another cut onto Towne Road. There is a considerable
drainage concern at the corner of 131 and Towne Road and comments in this regard will be
invited from the Surveyor's office and forwarded to the Committee members.
Regarding the length of the cul -de -sac, those comments will be heard at the public hearing.
However, the Subdivision Committee should address that concern as part of its review. The
petitioner should not be required to establish another driveway cut onto 131 Street to service
these lots.
Dave Cremeans encouraged the petitioner to meet with the adjacent property owners. Additional
public input will be taken at the Committee level. Mr. Cremeans was in favor of not having the
stub street, but said he would feel more comfortable if he had a commitment from the landowner
to the north that the ground would not be subdivided. Perhaps the stub street area could be left
as greenspace and in the form of an easement. Dave Cremeans was delighted to see someone
approach this area and correct the drainage —this is the wettest part of Clay Township!
Marilyn Anderson said if there were to be a commitment to closing the stub street to the north,
the commitment that it not be subdivided should run with the land, not with the property owner.
Pat Rice asked for clarification at the Committee level as to what is being released into Elliott
Creek.
Docket No. 49 -03 PP, Towne Pointe Primary Plat was forwarded to the Subdivision
Committee for further review on May 13, 2003 at 7:00 PM.
Docket No. 49 -03a SW, Subdivision Waiver for cul -de -sac length, Towne Pointe Subdivision
will be held for public hearing May 20, 2003 in the Council Chambers of City Hall.
At this point, the Commission took a short recess.
L Old Business
Note: Items li. and 2i. were heard together.
li. Docket No. 32 -03 Z; 11300 Block of North Michigan Road (B -2 Rezone)
The petitioner seeks to rezone a Parcel from S -1 Residential to B -2 /Business. The
14.826 acre site is located along the east side of Michigan Road t/2 mile north of
106 Street.
Filed by Steve Pittman of Pittman Partners.
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2i. Docket No. 33 -03 Z; 11300 Block of North Michigan Road (R -4 Rezone)
The petitioner seeks to rezone a Parcel from S -1 Residential to R -4 /Residential.
The 20 acre site is located along the east side of Michigan Road 1 /2 mile north of
106 Street.
Filed by Steve Pittman of Pittman Partners.
Steve Pittman, 11530 North Michigan Road, Carmel, of Pittman Partners appeared before the
Commission representing the applicant. Neal Smith of Pittman Partners was also present.
The public hearing on this item was held March 18 The Subdivision Review Committee met
on April 3 rd and reviewed the traffic study as well as commitments submitted by the petitioner.
The commitments have now been distributed to all Commission members.
The townehomes will be for sale, not a rental community. However, the neighbors requested a
two -story townehome product rather than a 3 -story. Any units adjacent to the perimeter of S -1
would be 2 -story; perimeter was further defined. No 3 -story construction would be allowed
within 100 feet of the south property line, within 200 feet of the east property line, and within
100 feet of the north property line of the real estate adjacent to surrounding properties with a
zoning classification of S -1.
The commitments further state that all units will be on a deeded lot, built utilizing the "HPR,"
Horizontal Property Regime, condominium construction, two -story townehome construction.
Also, the 2 -story product will be limited to brick or stone and a minimum of vinyl, hardy plank;
vinyl would be consistent with the adjacent housing.
In regard to the connection of the residential street to The Westons, the petitioner will follow the
requirements of the City of Carmel, Plan Commission, City Council, and County Highway Dept.
This is a rezone; the applicant will return to the Commission with a primary plat.
Members of the public were invited to offer comments at this time; no one appeared and the
public hearing was closed.
Jon Dobosiewicz concurred with comments made by the petitioner regarding commitments. The
Department is requesting the commitments be signed and recorded prior to final action by City
Council.
Dave Cremeans reported for the Subdivision Committee. Letter "N" of the commitments in
regard to the Monitor Lane connection should read "......only connect if required by the City of
Carmel OR the Hamilton County Highway Department." Otherwise, the Committee voted for
unanimous approval.
Leo Dierckman moved to recommend approval of Docket 32 -03Z, 11300 Block of North
Michigan Road, and forward to the City Council with a positive recommendation, subject to
the commitments made by the petitioner. The motion was seconded by Pat Rice and approved
10 -0.
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Leo Dierckman moved to recommend approval of Docket No. 33 -03 Z, 11300 Block of North
Michigan Road, and forward to the City Council with a positive recommendation, again with
the referred to commitments. The motion was seconded by Pat Rice and approved 10 -0.
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1j. Docket No. 46 -03 ADLS;
Providence at Old Meridian, Lot 1 Meridian Music
The applicant seeks approval to construct a commercial building. The site is
located at 100 Providence Blvd. The site is zoned OM /V (Old Meridian
Village).
Filed by Frederick A. Simmons of Simmons Associates for JAM Musical
Properties.
Fred Simmons of Simmons Architects, Indianapolis appeared before the Commission
representing the applicant. Craig Gigax, President of JAM Musical Properties, and Jack Moran
of Street Corner Group, developer, were also in attendance.
Additional information was submitted depicting revisions /refinements to the building as well as
additional explanation relative to the lighting above the awnings. The reason for the revisions is
as a result of studying the architectural intent as well as discussing this project in detail with
Buckingham Companies who has some approval rights relative to the project. The revisions are
enhancements to the project.
The project is a 21,000 square foot, 2 -story building that will house Meridian Music, currently
located at 96 and Meridian Streets. Meridian Music retail would occupy the first floor and a
musical education group would be housed on the second floor. There are also tenants within the
space for items such as sheet music, Allen's Organs, etc. The proposed development is located
on 1.09 acres at the northeast corner of Old Meridian and Providence Boulevard. The
architectural intent is to blend, not mimic, the apartments and condos for The Providence at Old
Meridian. The buildings will complement the existing buildings and enhance the Old Meridian
Street development in its entirety.
The site plan indicates a triangular piece of property immediately north of this proposed project
that JAM Musical Properties is currently negotiating to purchase. Hopefully, the applicant will
be returning to the Plan Commission with plans for a future building that will complement the
proposed building.
The current proposal for signage is a 20 square foot blade sign that will be double sided, off of
Old Meridian Street, with logos above the windows on top of the canopies. The signage will be
explored in greater detail at the Special Study Committee.
Jon Dobosiewicz reported for the Department. This item is recommended for forwarding to the
Special Study Committee on May 13, 2003 for further discussion. The petitioner has provided
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additional renderings with regard to the proposed types of signage and clarification of questions
from the Department. Signage will be addressed at the Committee level—it is anticipated that
the petitioner will be making an appeal to the BZA for a sign variance. The Committee may
want to further refine the standards within the Old Meridian Corridor to better address the types
of signage being proposed at this time.
Ron Houck requested more information regarding materials and colors. Mr. Simmons responded
that sample materials and awning colors would be presented at the Committee meeting.
Jerry Chomanczuk asked about mechanical equipment and whether or not it will be visible. Mr.
Simmons responded that the parapet height is sufficient to hide all rooftop equipment.
Docket No. 46 -03 ADLS, Providence at Old Meridian, Lot 1, Meridian Music was forwarded
to the Special Study Committee for further review on May 13, 2003 at 7:00 PM in the Caucus
Rooms of City Hall.
Add -On /Information Input Item
Docket No. 37 -03 ADLS, Ritz Charles Accessory Building
The applicant seeks approval to construct an 8,000 square foot accessory building. The site is
located at 12156 North Meridian Street. The site is zoned B -6 /Business and is within the U.S. 31
Overlay Zone.
Filed by E. Davis Coots of Coots, Henke Wheeler for Ritz Charles.
Dave Coots, attorney, 255 East Carmel Drive, Carmel appeared before the Commission
representing the applicant. Chuck Lazarra of the Ritz Charles was also present.
The petitioner appeared before the Special Study Committee April 3 Several issues came up
and the petitioner was requested to appear before the entire Commission for review and input,
and then allow the Committee to take final action at its meeting on May 13, 2003.
The proposed facility, the "gathering place," will be located behind or to the west of the existing
Ritz Charles building and will not be visible driving south on Meridian Street. The existing tree
line will remain and the expanse of the roofline for the "gathering place" will be screened from
view. The appearance of the front portico of the building in comparison with the existing Ritz
Charles facility has been re- designed to mimic the entryway of the Ritz Charles to scale.
Commission Member Dianna Knoll had asked that the overhang be raised to negate a "flat or
squatty" look.
Dave Coots asked that the Special Study Committee be authorized to take final action at its May
13 meeting, unless the full Commission wanted to act this evening.
Jon Dobosiewicz reported for the Department. This item is recommended for forwarding back to
the Committee, unless the full Commission feels comfortable taking final action this evening.
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Ron Houck reported for the Special Study Committee. Comments at Committee concerned the
scale of the walls to the height of the roof. In general, Committee members felt there was too
much roof visible and the intent was to bring a better proportion to the ratio. Also, the entrance
area was to be raised and be more in keeping with the existing Ritz Charles entrance. Ron
Houck referred to the photo showing the perspective from the south with the tree line and the
existing house that denoted the building setback. Ron Houck said he would like the perspective
to show a little farther to the right to illustrate how it relates to the existing Ritz Charles.
Jerry Chomanczuk commented that the entrance has been addressed; however another concern
from the Committee was the proportion of the height of the roof and the sides, the walls —this
still has not been addressed.
Nick Kestner said the petitioner is headed in the right direction, but not quite there. If there were
a three dimensional view showing the new entrance and the mass of the roof, it would help
immensely. If the walls were raised, there would be less pitch to the roof and it would not be as
massive.
Dave Coots responded that the roofline of the gathering place is not seen from Meridian Street
because of the tree line on the south and the existing building to the north.
Pat Rice commented that the building looks like a chapel and if that is the intent, the roofline is
in keeping with a chapel.
Marilyn Anderson said the raising of the front section puts the building in much better
proportion. Apparently, the concern is the big expanse of roof as seen from Meridian Street.
Ron Houck's understanding from discussion at Committee was that the height of the walls would
be increased relative to the amount of roof, and the entrance would also be increased in height.
Wayne Haney suggested running a cornice along both the walls and the front pediment, the wall
height would be increased and the roof height would be reduced, thereby accomplishing the
goal; the building would more closely emulate the Ritz Charles.
This item was being shown to the full Commission for their input and will be sent back to
Committee to address comments and suggested revisions.
Dave Cremeans moved to return Docket No. 37 -03 ADLS, Ritz Charles Accessory Building
to the Special Study Committee for further review and authority for final action on May 13,
2003. The motion was seconded by Pat Rice and APPROVED 10 -0.
Amendment to the Rules of Procedure, John Molitor:
A copy of the proposed Amendment was distributed to the Commission Members last month.
The current rule reads that "A case that has been decided adversely to the petitioner shall not be
placed on the Docket again for consideration until 12 months after the date of the decision
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previously rendered." If a petitioner were turned down for a subdivision plat and it was appealed
to Court, the petitioner could file for another subdivision plat on the same property while the
court case is pending, as long as 12 months have elapsed. This was not the intention of the Rule
and it probably violates public policies reflected in the Indiana Rules of Trial Procedure.
The proposed change is that the Rule would read as follows: "A case which has been decided
adversely to the petitioner shall not be placed on the Docket again for consideration until the
legality of the Commission's decision is finally determined pursuant to Indiana Code 36 -74 -1000
or for a period of 12 months following the date of the adverse decision previously rendered,
whichever is later."
This amendment has the effect of delaying the filing of a new plat until such time as a final
decision is rendered by the Court on the previous submittal.
Dan Dutcher moved to amend the Rules of Procedure as recommended by legal counsel,
seconded by Ron Houck and Approved 10 -0.
There being no further business to come before the Commission, the meeting was adjourned at
9:45 PM.
Marilyn Anderson, Vice President
Ramona Hancock, Secretary
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