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Carmel /Clay Advisory Board of Zoning Appeals
Regular Meeting
Monday, March 24, 2003
The regularly scheduled meeting was held at 7:00 PM in the Council Chambers of Carmel City Hall
on March 24, 2003. Those members in attendance: Michael Mohr, Earlene Plavchak, and Pat Rice,
thereby establishing a quorum. Leo Dierckman and Charles Weinkauf were absent.
Department of Community Services Staff in attendance: Department Director Mike Hollibaugh,
Planning Administrators Laurence Lillig and Jon Dobosiewicz. John Molitor, Legal Counsel, was
also present.
Mr. Mohr reminded petitioners, since there were only three Board members present, it would take a
unanimous vote to pass any petition. If a petitioner, prior to the petition being heard, would like to
withdraw a petition, they may do that and wait until more Board members are present.
Mrs. Plavchak moved to approve the minutes from the February 24, 2003 meeting. The motion was
seconded by Mrs. Rice and APPROVED 3 -0.
Mr. Molitor reported that the Executive Session prior to this meeting was cancelled, due to lack of a
quorum. A discussion could be held at the end of this meeting to reschedule the Executive Session.
He noted a Special Meeting is scheduled for Thursday, March 27, 6:00 PM to handle any overflow.
Mr. Lillig gave the Department Report. He noted the following items were tabled: Item 1 j. Carmel
Science Technology Park Line Systems (V- 3 -03); Item 18j. Old Town Apartments, Robinson
(V- 24 -03); Items 1 -13k. Carmel/Clay Schools (SUA- 194 -02; V- 195 -02 through V- 206 -02); and
Item 1L. East 96 Street Office Park (UV- 176 -00c). In addition, the Department would like to
request suspension of Rules for Notice on the following petitions: Items 2 -5j. Dixie Highway (V -4-
03 through V -7 -03) that was a 24 -day notice; Item 19 -23j. West Carmel Center Applebee's (V25-
03 through V- 29 -03) also a 24 -day notice; and 24 -38j. Oak Hill Mansion (V- 300 -03 through V -34-
03) that was a 10 -day notice.
J. Public Hearing
Mrs. Rice asked if the Carmel/Clay High School Freshman Center was tabled?
Mr. Lillig stated it was tabled from tonight's agenda and moved to the Special Meeting on
Thursday, March 27.
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Ij. Carmel Science Technology Park, Block 12, Lot 5 Linc Systems (V -3 -03)
Petitioner seeks a Development Standards Variance of Section 20D.04.06 in order to
build an addition within sixty (60) feet of the west lot line.
The site is located at 1402 Chase Court. The site is zoned M- 3/Manufacturing.
Filed by Adam L. DeHart of Keeler -Webb Associates for Line Systems.
This item was tabled.
Mrs. Rice moved to suspend the Rules for Notice. The motion was seconded by Mrs. Plavchak and
APPROVED 3 -0.
2 -5j. Dixie Highway Addition, Lot 8- 9(part) Glenwood, LLC (V -4 -03; V -5 -03; V -6 -03;
V -7 -03)
Petitioner seeks the following Development Standards Variances:
V -4 -03 §23E.07(C)(2) forego parking lot curbing
V -5 -03 §23E.08(G)(2) building materials
V -6 -03 §23E.08(I) zero -foot (0)' north south bufferyards
V -7 -03 §23E.07(A)(1)(a) zero -foot (0) parking planting strip
The site is located at 10820 North College Avenue. The site is zoned B -I /Business
within the Home Place Overlay Zone.
Filed by Leonard Voigt of Glenwood, LLC.
Present for Petitioner: Leonard Voigt. The house does not meet the requirements of the Home
Place Overlay Zone. The house is 80+ years old. The gravel driveway has hardened over time
and has a natural runoff. Curbing may cause an unnatural accumulation of water. Building
materials are aluminum siding in good shape. Brick facing to meet requirements would be a
waste of resources. Trees and an empty lot buffer the landscaping to the north and west. Trees
and large shrubs buffer the street on the east side. The property to the south is unsightly from the
handyman neighbor, with stuff stored in the yard. Any landscaping would be lost on that
particular neighbor. If that property to the south were developed in accordance with the Overlay
Zone, he would be happy to put in the landscaping. He does have a plan for the landscaping for
the front of the property.
Members of the public were invited to speak in favor of or opposition to the petition. No one
appeared.
Mr. Lillig gave the Department Report. The Plan Commission approved Docket 188 -02
DP /ADLS for this site. The Department is recommending favorable consideration of these
variances consistent with the Commission's approval of Docket 188 -02 DP /ADLS and subject to
satisfactory resolution of any outstanding TAC issues.
The Public Hearing was closed.
Mrs. Plavchak moved to approve V -4 -03, Dixie Highway Addition, Lot 8- 9(part) Glenwood,
LLC. The motion was seconded by Mrs. Rice and APPROVED 3 -0.
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Mrs. Plavchak moved to approve V -5 -03, Dixie Highway Addition, Lot 8- 9(part) Glenwood,
LLC. The motion was seconded by Mrs. Rice and APPROVED 3 -0.
Mrs. Plavchak moved to approve V -6 -03, Dixie Highway Addition, Lot 8- 9(part) Glenwood,
LLC. The motion was seconded by Mrs. Rice and APPROVED 3 -0.
Mrs. Plavchak moved to approve V -7 -03, Dixie Highway Addition, Lot 8- 9(part) Glenwood,
LLC. The motion was seconded by Mrs. Rice and APPROVED 3 -0.
6j. West Carmel Center, Block B, Lot 4 Goddard School (UV -8 -03)
The petitioner seeks approval of a Use Variance of Section 16.01 in order to establish a
day care /preschool.
The site is located at 10445 Commerce Drive. The site is zoned B -5 /Business, subject to
the US 421/Michigan Road Overlay Zone by Commitment.
Filed by Aaron Hurt of Civil Designs, LLP, for Aspengold, LLC.
Present for the Petitioner: James Peck, Civil Designs, 2415 Directors Row, Suite E, Indianapolis,
IN 46241 and Aaron Hurt, also from Civil Designs. They have appeared before the Plan
Commission and Special Studies Committee and have come out with some very good findings.
A site plan was presented. The building has been slid to the south a little bit and parking added,
totaling 37 parking spaces (5 more than ordinance requires). One playground area stayed in the
same location and the other one moved back a little bit. They have been working closely with
Unique and the Ashbrooke Homeowners Association. The Homeowners Association is in favor
of the project and feels it is appropriate for their neighborhood.
Remonstrance:
Public in Favor: None
Public in Opposition:
Paul Reis, 5013 Buckeye Court, Carmel, IN, an attorney representing Unique The Specialty
Group. They are the owner of the parcel of land just to the north of the Goddard School. Under
B -5 zoning, it does not allow a day care center as a Permitted Use. The whole West Carmel/Clay
Center does not allow for a day care center. So the use is an exception. His client was in touch
with the Goddard school and had several concerns about this adjacent use in a business area,
such as liability of children and transportation issues. All of this was worked out prior to the
initial presentation to the Plan Commission. The location of the playground is the concern. The
changes were a result of the Special Study Committee meeting which was not a Public Hearing.
Therefore, they were not aware of the change of the playground being moved closer to the office
building.
Jenny Flora, 8770 Guion Road, Suite R, Indianapolis, IN. She was unaware of the changes until
today. Unique is an executive search business with income levels from $150,000 to $750,000.
They deal on a national and international basis with many out -of- town clients using their facility
for interviews. They also make presentations and are very involved in the bio- technical and bio-
medical areas. The Indiana Health Forum is the lead organization in attempting to draw bio
technical and bio- medical businesses to the greater Indianapolis area. They track venture capital
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and are forerunners in attempting to draw this kind of business to the area. It is a very
sophisticated arena in which to deal. When they originally looked at this property, they did not
wish to war with Goddard. They wanted everybody to be successful in business. Unique moved
their initial building to the back of the property to get as far away from the playground as they
could. When Unique and their clients are making presentations, they need to get the sound away
as much as possible from their clients. This was a significant investment to buy this property, to
build this building and subsequently the second building, which will be a conference center. Now
the playground has moved closer and she is concerned about the noise.
Mr. Reis stated that the Plan Commission has already approved the Development Plan. However,
this Board has not approved this Use Variance. They are seeking that the Use Variance not be
approved until a satisfactory site design can be coordinated with his client and the Department of
Community Services. Ultimately, it would have to go back to the Plan Commission for a
Development Plan Amendment in order to be mindful of the adjacent property owner.
Rebuttal:
Mr. Peck stated that the plan exceeded the required number of parking spaces. The thirty -seven
spaces could be reduced to thirty -two and slide the playground equipment back to the previous
location that was presented in the Public Hearing at the Plan Commission. The fence could be
pulled back. All fences could be six feet and evergreens planted to be sensitive to their neighbor.
Mr. Lillig gave the Department Report. This has been approved by the Plan Commission at the
March 18, 2003 meeting, Dockets 01 -03 DP /ADLS and 04 -03 CA. The Department Report
currently reads that the Department is recommending favorable consideration consistent with the
Plan Commission's approval of Dockets 01 -03 DP /ADLS and 04 -03 CA and with the condition
that all Technical Advisory Committee comments shall be satisfactorily addressed. He suggested
that a condition be added that the question of this playground and the adjoining uses also be a
condition of the approval. If it is agreeable, to have it worked out between the adjoining
property owners and the Department.
Mrs. Plavchak asked if it would be agreeable to the adjacent property owner?
Mr. Reis responded that he thought it was agreeable with the assumption that the playground
location could be moved.
Mrs. Rice moved to approve UV -8 -03, West Carmel Center, Block B, Lot 4 Goddard
School, with attached agreement and commitment. The motion was seconded by Mrs. Plavchak
and APPROVED 3 -0.
7j. Hazel Dell Corner, Lot 1 The Overlook (V- 10 -03)
The petitioner seeks approval of a Development Standards Variance of Section 14.06 in
order to allow a parking lot to encroach ten (10) feet into a the greenbelt on the south side
of the lot.
The site is located at 5790 East 131 Street. The site is zoned B -3 /Business.
Filed by Charles D. Frankenberger of Nelson Frankenberger for GB Hazel Dell
Property, LLC.
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Present for the Petitioner: Charlie Frankenberger, 5212 Carrington Circle, Carmel, IN. This is
1.67 acres at the northwest corner of Hazel Dell Parkway and 131 Street, Lot 1 in Hazel Dell
Commercial Park. It is zoned B -3. A site plan was shown. The Plan Commission approved the
ADLS and DP. The site is heavily landscaped with stamped concrete crosswalks to match the
corners at the intersection. It incorporates continuous screening along the southern, eastern, and
northern boundaries through intermittent landscape massing and hedgerows. The site plan
illustrates a Development Standards Variance along the south to permit a parking lot to encroach
ten feet into the thirty -foot greenbelt buffer on the south side of the lot. The variance requested is
identical to the expired variance previously granted to Osco for this site.
Members of the public were invited to speak in favor of or opposition to the petition. No one
appeared.
Mr. Lillig gave the Department Report. The Department is recommending favorable
consideration of the Docket consistent with the Plan Commission's approval of Docket 10 -03
DP /ADLS.
Discussion followed regarding the previous variance by Osco, picture of the building, and
signage for the site. A rendering was shown. It has a limestone base, followed by red brick.
Signage is backlit opaque letters in silhouette.
Mr. Lillig stated that the B -3 district no longer needs Special Use approval. The Ordinance has
been amended to require DP /ADLS.
Mrs. Plavchak moved to approve V- 10 -03, Hazel Dell Corner, Lot 1 The Overlook. The
motion was seconded by Mrs. Rice and APPROVED 3 -0.
8 -13j. Foster Addition, Lot 3 Windows Siding of Indianapolis (V -14 -03 through V -19-
03)
Petitioner seeks the following Development Standards Variances:
V -14 -03 §14.04.03(2) four -foot (4) south side yard
V -15 -03 14.04.04(2) fourteen -foot (14) aggregate side yard
V -16 -03 14.04.06(2) 52'6" lot width
V -17 -03 14.06 zero -foot (0) east bufferyard
V -18 -03 §25.07.02 -08(e) <5' sign setback
V -19 -03 §26.04.05(c) four -foot (4) south side bufferyard
The site is located at 431 South Range Line Road. The site is zoned B -1 /Business.
Filed by David R. Barnes of Weihe Engineering for Windows Siding of Indianapolis.
Present for the Petitioner: Dave Cremeans, 9830 Greentree Drive, Carmel, IN. He purchased the
building and was trying to upgrade it and build an addition to help facilitate parking and
warehouse storage. A map of the location was shown and the proposed addition. He had worked
with the Department and had intended to build a freestanding building behind the current
structure. Because of parking concerns, appearance and other concerns, he decided to build an
addition onto the back of the current building. Parking will be behind the building and there is an
area for the dumpster. It was a concrete block building built in 1945. They have put siding on the
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front and sides and will use the same material on the new addition. Variances are needed to
match new addition with old building, which has a four -foot side setback and does not meet the
14 -foot side aggregate. The zero -foot bufferyard is in the back so they can have as much parking
area as possible. The less than five feet sign setback is to match others along Range Line Road.
Remonstrance:
Public in Favor:
Mr. Cremeans shared copies of a letter.
Public in Opposition:
Judy Erner, 430 First Avenue SE, Carmel, IN, directly behind Mr. Cremeans' property. She has
taken pictures of what has happened behind her home. Rocks have been dumped and her
property has been torn up. She has moved her fence in on her property and they have come less
than a foot from her fence. The trash removal trucks have been stuck behind her home. One was
stuck at 3:30 AM, and the other one after 4:00 AM. She was told when she purchased her home
in 1994 that it was not an access alley, but was for the utility companies to have access to their
lines. Now there is mud and trash from the dump trucks. They will be using the alley behind her
home to get access to their lot. It is not fair to make improvement and then ask for the variance.
She has called and they should not come before 7:00 AM for trash, but they do. Improvement is
from Range Line Road, but not from her side. She and her neighbors have worked hard and then
this shows up. There will be traffic 6 or 7 days a week. She was told it was not a working alley
and now it will be the only access to his property.
Lillian Tickle, 420 First Avenue SE, Carmel, IN, adjacent to NatureWorks There has been a
trailer in that back alley for a month and a red truck for several days. She has moved shrubs and
trees to put along that fence line, so she will not have to look at that eyesore. Her son was
wakened several mornings by the trash truck. She is concerned about vehicles parked in that
alley. It has become an eyesore.
Rebuttal:
Mr. Cremeans understands and is working with the trash service. They were stuck in the snow.
He had checked with the Street Department before purchasing the property and was told it is a
public alley. The trailer is not his and belongs to a company three doors down, which has been
there many years. Typically there are two people in the office everyday and four outside sales
people in and out during the day. There are only one or two customers in per week. The business
is out in the customers' homes.
Mr. Lillig gave the Department Report. He stated that questions about the improvements to the
alley came up at the TAC meeting. It was noted that the Engineer had not yet made
recommendations. There was a recommendation to hold a meeting outside of TAC. He wanted
outcome of that meeting.
Mr. Cremeans stated that he had not talked to anyone in the Street Department about improving
the alley. The gravel they placed was on their own.
Mr. Lillig stated it was the Department of Engineering that he would need to meet with and it
was incumbent upon Mr. Cremeans to schedule that meeting. Normally dumping gravel and
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things in public alleys and rights -of -way is frowned upon by the City without previous approval
by the City Engineer and approved plans. In addition, he shared a letter to the Board from Mr.
King and photos that were taken of the property by the Code Enforcement Officer.
Discussion of the pictures and dumpsters followed.
Mr. Lillig reported that the Department is recommending favorable consideration of these
petitions with the Plan Commission's approval of Docket 07 -03 ADLS with the condition that all
TAC comments shall be satisfactorily addressed. The alley is an open TAC issue.
Mrs. Rice asked Ms. Erner if she had addressed the Plan Commission on this issue or was she
aware of it at that time? She also asked her about businesses along the alley.
Ms. Erner replied that this was the first time that Windows Siding of Indianapolis had given
her notice of a meeting. She had received a notice from NatureWorks but was unable to attend
that meeting. She stated that the cash register business basically uses Range Line Road and the
liquor store on the corner drives out on the side street. The only time that the alley was basically
used was for the trash pick up for the liquor store and for the cash register store. The trash trucks
had come early and she had called and they stopped. She had moved her fence back because
when the parking lot was cleared of snow from the cash register business, they would push the
snow up against her original fence causing it to cave in. Three years ago, when she installed her
new box fence, she moved it back further in on her property to alleviate that and to make her
fence stronger.
Mr. Cremeans stated the alley was too small of an area to function with the trailer and it has
caused some confusion. Basically the company uses box trucks that will pull into the back of the
building via the alley. He stated that everyone uses the alley. The cash register company pulls in
through the alley, backs into their parking places, and leaves via the alley, because it is hard to
go south on Range Line Road.
Mrs. Rice asked him about the semi -truck deliveries that Mr. King stated were made twice a day.
Mr. Cremeans stated that they get one delivery truck every Thursday and another delivery from a
different vendor two or three times per month. They pull in on Fifth Street and back down the
alley.
Mr. Lillig stated that utilizing the alley was permissible because it is a public way. The TAC
discussion was about what improvements needed to be made to the alley for truck traffic.
Another aspect was the loading and unloading from a vehicle that was parked in the alley. It was
speculated at TAC that that was not permissible, but he did not know if that was resolved.
Discussion continued on use of the alley.
Mr. Cremeans stated that he was willing to work with the City Engineer and do whatever
improvements are necessary to that alley. He did not feel tonight's project was impacted by the
alley. They would do whatever TAC required. They would like to get the project started so that
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they can make improvements to their property to allow parking and to improve the alley for all
the neighbors up and down the alley.
Mr. Lillig did not know if all the improvements to the alley would fall upon this petitioner, but
the improvements do need to be made in order for it to be used.
Mrs. Plavchak ask if this is a public alley, why isn't the City responsible for updating it through
the Street Department, since it has been there a long time?
Mr. Lillig stated than when development comes in, certain improvements are born by that
developer, such as infrastructure, improvements and street widening. This falls along those lines.
It doesn't seem it would be fair to ask Mr. Cremeans' business to improve the alley all the way
out to the street. But he does need to talk to the City Engineer on what does need to happen and
who would be responsible.
Discussion followed regarding the size of the trucks making deliveries to the site.
Mr. Cremeans stated that his crews use a 20 -foot box van. Large deliveries are made directly to
the job site rather than to his site. Many deliveries for various companies are along Range Line
Road. However, the Carmel Police Department does not like that because of the safety issue. He
thought it was better to make deliveries in from the rear.
Mr. Mohr led a discussion among the Board members regarding the direction they were taking
with the petition. Did they want to move forward or were they looking for something for the
neighbors who back up to the alley?
Mrs. Rice was questioning whether it was even legal to use the alley for a semi and have it
blocked and also the upgrading of the alley. She would like to see a commitment on the snow
removal. The businesses may all have to go together.
Mr. Cremeans stated if they are allowed to go ahead and complete this construction they will be
cleaning up most of the mess that has been discussed tonight.
Mr. Molitor added that it is the City's responsibility to maintain a public right -of -way, but the
City's policy may be to only maintain it as gravel. The City could use something like the Barrett
Law to assess landowners benefited by the project to pay their fair share of the cost. It would be
up to the City Council to make the determination if parking or loading is allowed in that alley,
the same as they do for other public rights -of -way. Mr. Cremeans may have to petition the City
Council for a Loading Zone for that alley.
Mr. Cremeans stated they would park on 5 Street and forklift items to his facility.
Mrs. Plavchak asked if it would be better to put a condition on the variance or table it until the
petitioner has met with the City Engineer?
Mr. Molitor stated the Board could request the petitioner to make a written commitment to work
with the City to make the necessary improvements.
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Mr. Mohr asked if the neighbors could be involved because they could have some financial
impact?
Mr. Molitor stated that the Board could ask the Petitioner to make a commitment that if
something was going before the Board of Public Works for approval or the City Council for a
loading zone, they could notify the neighbors by letter.
Judy Erner, 430 First Avenue SE, Carmel, IN. The deliveries for the liquor store are made on the
side street. Since 1994 she has not seen a semi truck in the cash register lot and the employees do
not use the alley. That alley has not been plowed open beyond the cash register store. There is no
way a semi could back into the property it's not big enough. Right now the tracks are on her
property. Her fence was moved in and now they are coming more and more onto her property.
Mrs. Rice felt the right -of -way needed to be found for all the residents in that area.
Discussion followed on how to word the conditions for the petition.
Mrs. Rice moved to approve V- 14 -03, Foster Addition, Lot 3 Windows Siding of
Indianapolis, with the condition that it will be effective with resolution of the alley issue in
accordance with legal counsel and specifically that there would be a commitment that the
Petitioner's business will not use the alley except in conformance with all City ordinances.
Five minutes recess was taken to search City Code to make determination if parking or
unloading is allowed in that alley.
Mr. Molitor found a City ordinance that states that when any street, alley or sidewalk is
obstructed so as to impede or interfere with the use thereof, the Chief of Police or his designee
may remove such obstruction to some suitable place. It doesn't appear that someone could load
and unload a semi in an alley, as that would obstruct the use of the alley. A loading zone could
be designated, but none is listed for this alley at this time. The Petitioner could go to City
Council to allow a loading zone in the alley. Otherwise, it will be subject to this general
ordinance to not obstruct an alley. It is the City's responsibility to maintain the alley as a right
of -way, but not necessarily to pave it. If it needs to be paved, that will probably need to be
undertaken by the Petitioner or all the businesses that would benefit from that.
Mr. Cremeans stated if they can't get stuff in, they cannot sell it. They are really not obstructing
the alley. The deliveries take only 5 to 15 minutes. A big delivery goes to the job site, not to this
location. He will do whatever is required. He still needs to get this addition built to function. He
could rent warehouse space somewhere to unload semis and box truck items to this location.
Mrs. Rice ADDED to the motion that the Petitioner makes the commitment to use the alley only
in accordance with all City ordinances. The motion was seconded by Mrs. Plavchak.
Mrs. Rice moved to suspend rules to vote on the ordinances as a group. The motion was
seconded by Mrs. Plavchak and APPROVED 3 -0.
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Mrs. Rice amended her motion to approve V- 14 -03, through V- 19 -03, Foster Addition, Lot 3
Windows Siding of Indianapolis, with the commitments previously stated. The motion was
seconded by Mrs. Plavchak.
The neighbors would be notified regarding the improvements to the alley.
The Variances were APPROVED 3 -0.
14 -17j. East 96th Street Auto Park, Lot 1, 3 Tom Wood Volkswagen (V -20 -03 through V-
23-03)
Petitioner seeks the following Development Standards Variances:
V -20 -03 §25.07.01 -02 41.34- square -foot projecting sign
V -21 -03 §25.07.02 -08(a) "Tom Wood" projecting sign
V -22 -03 §25.07.02 -08(b) two (2) identification signs
V -23 -03 §25.07.02 -08(b) two (2) identification signs oriented east
The site is located at 4610 -b East 96 Street. The site is zoned 13-3 /13usiness.
Filed by Thomas H. Engle of Barnes Thornburg for Wood Hyundai RE, LLC.
Present for the Petitioner: Tom Engle, 11 S. Meridian Street, Indianapolis, IN. A site plan was
shown. The dealership is presently under construction. This dealership received Special Use
approval in late 2001, but at that time the signage package was not resolved. Since then the
Zoning Ordinance has been amended such that an automobile dealership is no longer a Special
Use, but is a Permitted Use in B -3, subject to ADLS and Development Plan approval. This
signage package was approved in February at Plan Commission for ADLS. The signage is part of
a package put together by Volkswagen of America. The VW logo and the dealer name sign
require the variances. The building faces to the east, not 96 Street. Pictures were shown.
Members of the public were invited to speak in favor of or opposition to the petition. No one
appeared.
Mr. Lillig gave the Department Report. On February 18, 2003, the Plan Commission approved
Docket 163 -02 ADLS for this site and the Department is recommending favorable consideration
of these petitions consistent with the Plan Commission's approval.
Mrs. Plavchak moved to approve V- 20 -03, V- 21 -03, V -22 -03 V- 23 -03, East 96th Street Auto
Park, Lot 1, 3 Tom Wood Volkswagen. The motions were seconded by Mrs. Rice and
APPROVED 3 -0.
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18j. Old Town Apartments, Robinson (V- 24 -03)
Petitioner seeks a Development Standards Variance of Section 16.04.08 (B) in order to
establish three multi family units each with less than eight hundred square feet of floor
area.
The site is located at 740 North Range Line Road. The site is zoned B -5 /Business within
the Old Town Overlay Zone.
Filed by William E. Wendling, Jr., of Campbell Kyle Proffitt for PAR Enterprises.
This item was tabled.
19 -23j. West Carmel Center, Block D, Lot 3 Applebee's (V -25 -03 through V- 29 -03)
Petitioner seeks the following Development Standards Variances:
V -25 -03 §23C.09(D) 91'4" continuous facade
V -26 -03 §23C.09(D) two -foot (2) offset
V -27 -03 §25.07.02 -08(b) three (3) identification signs
V -28 -03 §25.07.02 -08(b) one (1) identification sign oriented south
V -29 -03 §25.07.02 -08(c) 84.19- square -foot west wall sign
The site is located at 10325 North Michigan Road. The site is zoned B -3 /Business within
the US 421 Overlay Zone.
Filed by Troy L. Terew of Lewis Engineering for Apple Indiana 1, LLC.
Mrs. Rice moved to suspend the Rules for Public Notice. The motion was seconded by Mrs.
Plavchak and APPROVED 3 -0.
Present for the Petitioner: Vaughn Martin, Nashville, IN. He presented a site layout with
elevations and signs. The sign has been adjusted to 29 square feet. The last sign will be reduced
to thirty square feet by removing "Neighborhood Grill Bar
Members of the public were invited to speak in favor of or opposition to the petition. No one
appeared.
Mr. Lillig gave the Department Report. On February 18, 2003, the Plan Commission approved
Docket 185 -02a DP Amend for this site. On March 4, 2003, the Special Study Committee
approved Docket 185 -02b ADLS for this site. The Department is recommending favorable
consideration for Dockets V -25 -03 through V -28 -03 as submitted and consistent with the
aforementioned Plan Commission approvals. The Department recommends negative
consideration of Docket V -29 -03 as submitted for an 84.19 square foot wall sign. Many of the
businesses along this corridor had to come in for sign variances when they were developed. At
the time, B -3 was Special Use and they were limited to the size that would have been permitted
under the sign charts in the Sign Ordinance. The Department is recommending that these signs
be held to the same standards as those businesses.
Discussion followed regarding the dimensions of the changed signs
Mr. Lillig stated it looked like it was consistent with what would be allowed under the ordinance.
He recommended favorable consideration of V -29 -03 as amended.
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Mrs. Rice moved to approve V- 25 -03, V- 26 -03, V- 27 -03, V -28 -03 and V -29 -03 as amended,
West Carmel Center, Block D, Lot 3 Applebee's. The motion was seconded by Mrs.
Plavchak and all variances were APPROVED 3 -0.
24 -28j. Oak Hill Mansion (V -30 -03 through V- 34 -03)
Petitioner seeks the following Development Standards Variances:
V -30 -03 §25.07.02 -06(b) two (2) changeable copy signs
V -31 -03 §25.07.02 -06(c) 37.5- square -foot sign area (replacement)
V -32 -03 §25.07.02 -06(d) eight -foot (8') sign height (replacement)
V -33 -03 §25.07.02 -06(g) eighteen- square -foot changeable copy sign (new)
V -34 -03 §25.07.02 -06(g) 12.5- square -foot changeable copy sign
(replacement)
The site is located at 5801 East 116 Street. The site is zoned S -1 /Residence Low
Density.
Filed by Robert D. Zehr of Events to Remember.
Present for the Petitioner: Bob Zehr, 621 Timber Mill Lane, Indianapolis, IN. He purchased the
business at this location and is changing the name to The Mansion at Oak Hill. He is applying for
a change in the existing sign and to add a second sign on Hazel Dell Parkway.
Members of the public were invited to speak in favor of or opposition to the petition. No one
appeared.
Mr. Lillig gave the Department Report. The Department is recommending favorable
consideration of these petitions.
Discussion followed regarding the changeable sign on Hazel Dell.
The changeable signs are panel change, not letter change. They are non internally lit, but are
ground lit signs.
Mr. Lillig stated that Oak Hill Mansion is the only business of its type on Hazel Dell Parkway.
The other businesses on Hazel Dell at Hazel Dell Corner are B -3. This is a Special Use in the S -1
District. These variances are under the recreational section of the Sign Ordinance.
Discussion continued of changeable sign on Hazel Dell.
Mr. Zehr stated the changeable sign would give the special event scheduled.
Mr. Lillig stated advertisement is not allowable under the ordinance. The type of message the
Board is concerned about is not permitted under the Sign Ordinance and would be sited by the
Code Enforcement Officer.
Mr. Zehr felt the changeable signs were an important way to let the public know the use of the
building and to acknowledge special events
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Mrs. Plavchak moved to approve V- 30 -03, V- 31 -03, V- 32 -03, V- 33 -03, V- 34 -03, Oak Hill
Mansion.
Discussion followed regarding the changeable signs and Dockets. Mr. Lillig explained that
Docket V -30 -03 covers the sign on Hazel Dell and the one on 116 Street, each would have a
section of changeable copy. Docket V -31 -03 is for 37.5 square feet of sign area on the
replacement sign for 116 Street.
Mr. Zehr amended his petitions. Docket V -30 -03 was changed to one changeable copy sign for
116 Street and V -33 -03 was withdrawn.
Mrs. Plavchak withdrew her previous motion.
Mrs. Plavchak moved to approve V -30 -03 as amended, V- 31 -03, V- 32 -03, and V- 34 -03, Oak
Hill Mansion. The motions were seconded by Mrs. Rice and all were APPROVED 3 -0.
K. Old Business
1 -13k. Carmel/Clay Schools Carmel High School (SUA- 194 -02; V- 195 -02 through V -206-
02)
Petitioner seeks Special Use approval to construct a 173,000- square -foot Freshman
Center addition to the existing
high school. Petitioner also seeks the following
Development Standards Variances:
V- 195 -02 §25.07.01 -2
12- square -foot traffic directional sign A
V- 196 -02 §25.07.01 -2
5- square -foot traffic directional sign B
V- 197 -02 §25.07.01 -2
6- square -foot traffic directional sign C
V- 198 -02 §25.07.01 -2
19.5- square -foot traffic directional sign D
V- 199 -02 §25.07.01 -2
four -foot (4') traffic directional sign D
V- 200 -02 §25.07.02- 5(b)(i)
eight (8) institutional signs
V- 201 -02 §25.07.02- 5(b)(ii)
two (2) changeable copy signs
V- 202 -02 §25.07.02- 5(c)(i)
29.25- square -foot institutional wall sign
V- 203 -02 §25.07.02- 5(c)(i)
24.5- square -foot institutional wall sign
V- 204 -02 §25.07.02- 5(c)(ii)
24- square -foot changeable copy sign
V- 205 -02 §25.07.02 -5(d)
6'2" institutional ground sign
V- 206 -02 §8.04.01
57 -foot building height
The site is located at 520 East Main Street. The site is zoned R -2 /Residence.
Filed by William E. Payne of Fanning
/Howey Associates for the Carmel/Clay School
Corporation.
This item was tabled.
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L. New Business.
1L. East 96 Street Office Park Kirsch Kirsch (UV- 176 -00c)
Petitioner seeks approval of revised Tenant Identification signage.
The site is located at 2930 East 96 Street. The site is zoned S -2 /Residence.
Filed by Charles D. Frankenberger of Nelson Frankenberger for Kirsch Kirsch.
This item was tabled.
M. Adiourn
Mrs. Plavchak moved to adjourn. The motion was seconded by Mrs. Rice and APPROVED 3 -0.
Meeting adjourned at 10:05 PM.
Michael Mohr, President
Connie Tingley, Secretary
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