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JULY 17 2007
Minutes
The Carmel Plan Commission met at 6:00 PM in the Council Chambers of City
Hall, One Civic Square, Carmel, Indiana. The meeting opened with the Pledge of
Allegiance.
Commission members present: Leo Dierckman, Kevin Heber, Rick Ripma, Sally
Shapiro, Steve Stromquist, Madeleine Torres, Sue Westermeier, thereby
establishing a quorum.
DOCS Staff present: Mike Hollibaugh, Director; Angie Conn, Planning
Administrator. John Molitor, Legal Counsel was also present.
The minutes from the June 19, 2007 meeting were approved as submitted.
John Molitor, Legal Counsel indicated that it had been intended to have a
meeting of the Executive Committee to discuss possible initiation of litigation and
then to discuss proposed rules of procedure in a regular meeting of the Executive
Committee. Because of some confusion regarding the notice, neither of those
meetings occurred. Therefore, we can discuss at a later time when those
meetings will be rescheduled, perhaps in conjunction with our regular committee
meetings the first week in August.
Department Announcement, Angie Conn: Request to place Docket No. 07020020
OA: US 31 421 Overlay Architectural Design Amendment, on the August 7, 2007
Subdivision Committee agenda, rather than the August 7 Special Studies agenda, due to
agenda length. This will take just a simple vote of the commission. Also, both Holiday
Inn items have been tabled per the petitioner's request— Dockets Number 07030035 DP
and 070070009 ADLS. There has also been a request from two Plan Commission
members —not present at this time —that the Irwin Bank agenda item be moved to the end
of the meeting to allow for arrival and vote on that item.
The last item on the Agenda will be presented by Adrienne Keeling, DOCS staff
Adrienne Keeling, DOCS asked that the Commission refer to the materials distributed
this evening. Adrienne indicated last month that the City Council passed a resolution
directing the Plan Commission to prepare and evaluate a proposal to amend the zoning
ordinance. Their request is for the Plan Commission to consider eliminating the
provisions which exempt lots in qualifying subdivisions which are ROSO lots, exempting
them from the minimum lot area and set -back standards. The Council's request is for the
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Plan Commission to consider eliminating that particular exemption from the lot area and
set -back standards. This specifically applies to zoning districts S -1 through R -4.
Pursuant to that resolution, the Department will be preparing an amendment for your
consideration at the August Plan Commission meeting; a copy of that resolution is
attached for your review.
Leo Dierckman asked for a motion to move Docket No. 07020020 OA: US 31 421
Overlay Architectural Design Amendment to the Subdivision Committee Meeting on
August 7, 2007; Rick Ripma made the formal motion, seconded by Susan Westermeier,
Approved 6 -0.
H. Public Hearings
TABLED:
1 H. Docket No. 07030035 DP: Pro -Med Lane Holiday Inn
The applicant seeks site plan approval for a proposed full- service hotel. ADLS is
under
another docket no. below. The site is located at 136th Street and Pro -Med Lane,
and is zoned
B -6 /Business within the US 31 /Meridian Street Overlay.
Filed by Stacey of DeBoy Land Development Services, Inc. for Justus Home
Builders, Inc.
2H. Docket No. 07050013 PP: Forestal Estates Minor Subdivision
The applicant seeks primary plat approval for 3 lots on 2.33 acres.
The applicant also seeks the following subdivision waiver request:
Docket No. 07050019 SW SCO Chapter 6.03.19 Access to Collector Roads
The site is located at the northeast corner of 141 st St. and Ditch Rd. and is zoned
S -1 /Residence. Filed by Stacey Fouts of DeBoy Land Development Services,
Inc.
Mike DeBoy of DeBoy Land Development presented for the applicant, M One
Construction. The property currently has one house on the site which consists of 2.33
acres. There is a roundabout at 141S and Ditch Road Rd. located at the southwest
corner of the property.
The proposed development will consist of 3 lots, 2 lots would have a shared access to
141 st Street. Lot 3 would have a singular access off of Ditch Road at the northwest
corner of the property. The detention for the site is located at the northeast corner of the
property. Sanitary services will be brought through Ditch Road to the west onto the site.
The anticipated construction is one and one -half story homes, brick or stone, single
family residences.
The petitioner has received the Department Reports and has noted comments from the
Staff. The petitioner has agreed to work with the Staff to answer any and all questions.
The petitioner is putting together a tree preservation plan for this area along with a
revised landscape plan as requested by Scott Brewer.
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The petitioner is prepared to answer questions at this time or at the Committee meeting
in August.
Members of the public were invited to speak in favor of or opposition to this petition; no
one appeared and the public hearing was closed.
Department Comments, Angie Conn: There are still some outstanding concerns. One
of the major ones is from the Engineering Department regarding curb cut location and
their proximity to the roundabout; this should be addressed at the August 7 1h Subdivision
Committee.
Rick Ripma asked where this property is located; it was indicated it is on the northeast
corner of 141 s1 and Ditch Road. Rick indicated that the map provided seemed to indicate
that the property was at the north corner of 146 street.
Leo Dierckman indicated that this will be sent to the August 7, 2007 Sub Division
Committee meeting.
Forestal Estates, Docket No. 07050013 PP and 070050019 SW, was referred to the
Subdivision Committee for further review on August 7, 2007.
3H. Docket No. 07050012 DP /ADLS: House Investments Office
The applicant seeks site plan /design approval for an office building. The site is
located 10250 N Illinois St. and is zoned B -1 /Business.
Filed by Mike Hoff of Weihe Engineers, Inc.
Jim Shinaver, Nelson and Frankenberger presented for the petitioner. Also in
attendance: Mike Hoff, Weihe Engineers; Doug Sylvester, House Investments; George
Drury of Drury Associates; Scott Perkins and Scott Shaffer of Perkins /vonDalen
Architects.
The petitioner is requesting approval for a DP /ADLS proposal for a parcel of real estate
that is located just southwest of the intersection of 103r Street and Illinois Street. The
site is just east of and adjacent to the Springmill Reserve community and just west and
adjacent to Illinois Street. The real estate is approximately 1.18 acres and is zoned B -1/
Business. Mr. Shinaver presented a visual map that could be found behind Tab 4 in the
project brochure.
Jim Shinaver reviewed the property location. Another photo is shown behind Tab 2
giving a closer look at the property and the surrounding area. Doug Sylvester of House
Investments has been a long -time Carmel resident and his current office is located here
in Carmel. However, as his business continues to grow he requires a larger building
with more space. When approved, Mr. Sylvester will move his offices to this new
location. There will be additional space available for Mr. Sylvester to lease to other
tenants. An office building on this site is permitted. The building will be a one -story
structure that will be compatible with the single family homes to the west. The building
will consist of approximately 9,700 sq. ft.
Jim Shinaver reviewed another exhibit in the brochure behind Tab 4, the landscape plan
for the project. The only access to and from the site is adjacent to Illinois Street. Mike
Hoff of Weihe engineering has been working with Scott Brewer, Urban Forester on the
landscape plan for this property. Scott Brewer has tentatively approved the landscape
plan and does not have any outstanding issues for the project. The site plan also
incorporates a 10 -foot asphalt, multi purpose path adjacent to Illinois Street. There will
also be accommodation on the site for bike parking. The next exhibit shown is behind
Tab 5; these are the color building renderings for the building. Jim reviewed the visual
elevations. It will be a brick building with a sloped roof and will appear to be residential.
Also presented in the brochure are sign renderings. Due to the number of signs we will
be seeking a variance from the BZA for approval to have one additional wall sign. The
BZA application has been filed. George Drury has been in contact with neighbors in the
residential areas and those discussions have gone well and have been productive. As a
result of those discussions, House Investments has made the following changes. The
height of the parking lot pole lights has been reduced. House Investments has also
agreed that there will be no illuminated signs. The parties have also agreed on how to
maintain an existing fence between properties. The neighborhood has been taking care
of the fence and the agreement between House Investments will continue to allow the
neighborhood to maintain the fence; the neighborhood wants to maintain the fence.
Finally, the neighbors have approved the building design.
General Public comments favorable:
Patrick Tynan resident of the Reserve indicated that the neighbors had met with the
developer and that all of their questions had been answered.
Miriam Landon resident of the Reserve requested a brochure
Department Report, Angie Conn: The petitioner has covered all questions and concerns
expressed by the Department. At this time, the Department recommends that this be
sent to the August 7 Special Studies Committee meeting at 6:00 PM.
Rick Ripma questioned if between the Reserve at Springmill and the building and the
parking lot is there a drainage easement.
Mike Hoff, Weihe Engineers confirmed that there is a drainage easement betwe3en the
building and the parking lot. The petitioner has designed a 3 -bay retention area that will
collect the water and release into the existing pond.
Madeleine Torres thanked the petitioner for such a thorough presentation.
Docket No. 07050012 DP /ADLS, House Investments Office was referred to the
August 7, 2007 Special Studies meeting at 6:00 PM in the Caucus Rooms of City Hall.
4H. Docket No. 07060024 OA: BZA Lockout Periods Amendment
The applicant seeks to amend the Zoning Ordinance, Chapter 21: Special Uses
Special Exceptions and Chapter 30: Board of Zoning Appeals, in order to
clarify the time limits of applications denied by the Board of Zoning Appeals.
Filed by the Carmel Department of Community Services.
Adrienne Keeling, DOCS presented for the Department. The Department is proposing a
two -part solution to a discrepancy between the zoning ordinance and the BZA rules of
procedure regarding the time limits or lock out period for items which have previously
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been denied by BZA. Currently the zoning ordinance provides for a 12 month lockout
period and the Board's Rules of Procedure call for a 6 month lockout period. The
proposed amendment clarifies the sections of the zoning ordinance as it applies to Use
Variances as well as Special Uses and Special Exceptions. Those items coming before
the BZA will have a 12 month lockout period. Part 2 is an amendment to the BZA Rules
of Procedure which clarifies that the 6 month lockout period will apply only to
Development Standards. This amendment will give the Board flexibility to waive their
Rules of Procedure if they would like to consider something. A variance from the BZA
would have to be sought in order to waive the 12 -month lockout period in the Zoning
Ordinance.
Department Comments, Angie Conn: The Department is recommending that this item
be sent to the August 7, 2007 Special Studies Committee meeting.
Docket No. 07060024 OA: BZA Lockout Periods Amendment was referred to the
Special Studies Committee for further review on August 7, 2007 at 6:00 PM in the
Caucus Rooms of City Hall.
5H. Docket No. 07030037 DP /ADLS: Midland Atlantic— Market Place at West
Carmel
The applicant seeks site plan and design approval for a proposed one story,
21,600- square foot retail building on 2.73 acres. The site is located at the
northeast corner of 98th Street and Michigan Road, and is zoned B3 /Business,
and is within the US 421 Overlay.
Filed by Paul Reis of Bose McKinney Evans, LLP for Midland Atlantic
Properties
David Gellman of Williams Realty Investments presented for the petitioner. Paul Reis
and Midland Atlantic started this project; Williams Realty will now be the developer. Mr.
Reis cannot be here this evening. Williams Realty is taking the project through zoning
and advancing it through development as well.
We have a site plan which can be found under Tab 2 in your brochure as an aerial. Tab
3 shows a site plan that depicts 21,600 sq. feet of retail space. The corner has been
designed to accommodate and inline restaurant with the balance being general retail
users and retail service. The original plan for the site has not changed since it was
submitted. We are keeping the same architectural standards that comply with the 421
Overlay requirements —same footprint, same landscape plans.
Department Comments, Angie Conn: The Department recommends this item be sent to
the August 7, 2007 Special Studies Committee meeting. We still need to see a more
detailed sign package and comments from the county surveyor's Office. The landscape
plan has been tentatively approved.
Rick Ripma on the landscape plans where it backs up to the homes, it looks like you
have a variety of evergreen trees. What size trees will be there?
David Gellman responded 6 -7 feet at planting; there are four (4) very large existing trees
that will be preserved. I recommend that you plant larger trees there needs to be
some screening between the homes that are already there and the parking lot.
Madeleine Torres when Duke was doing their second phase, there were issues with
the drainage —has this been addressed completely or is this still a problem?
David Gellman responded that he had met with Paul Reis and he indicated that zoning
issue came up and he had made a commitment to that individual property owner to keep
her informed on the status of the development; he also indicated that it would be
continued here with a different developer tonight. They have been informed and we do
have a drainage plan that we would be more than happy to share with that individual
when we receive the contact information.
Maxine Brown I live at 3734 W. 98 street. This has been an ongoing issue for quite
some time. Ms. Brown gave an overview of the history of the problem. When the
drainage occurs in the ditch it backs up in to the homeowner's yards. Ms. Brown had
water for the first time in 50 years this summer and it has taken quite awhile to dry off.
She also asked if the new developer could come and mow the property, the grass and
weeds are very high.
Angie Conn indicated that it is the responsibility of the County.
Madeleine Torres asked that Angie Conn review the minutes, because it was her
recollection that Duke had committed to fixing that problem.
David Gellam said he will have a relationship with Duke and will make that
recommendation to them as well. We will get this resolved.
Rick Ripma indicated that the building showed a lot of EFIS on top of the building. One
is really bright yellow is this really the color?
David Gellman responded that they will bring actual samples of the EFIS to the Special
Studies Committee.
Rick questioned the amount of brick that is permitted.
Angie Conn: The ordinance does state that the fagade cannot be more than 20% of the
overall non window fagade —the petitioner should bring a calculation. Angie was not
certain if this applied to the side elevation and will check on this.
Docket No. 07030037 DP /ADLS, Midland Atlantic— Market Place at West Carmel was
referred to the August 7, 2007 Special Studies Committee for further review at 6:00 PM
in the Caucus Rooms of City Hall.
I. Old Business
11. Docket No. 07040022 PP: Justus Business Park, lots 1 -2
The applicant seeks primary plat approval for 2 lots on 7.298 acres. The site is
located at the southeast corner of 136th St. and Pro Med Ln. and is zoned B-
6 /Business within the US 31
Overlay.
Filed by Paul Reis of Bose McKinney Evans for Justus Home Builders.
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21. Justus Office Building
The applicant seeks site plan design approval for an office building. The site is
located southeast of 136th St. and Pro Med Ln. and is zoned B -6 /Business within
the US 31 Overlay.
Filed by Paul Reis of Bose McKinney Evans for Justus Home Builders.
Rich Kelly, EMHT Engineering presented for the petitioner. Paul Reis has been delayed.
EMHT is the Civil Engineer and Landscape Architect for the project. Justus Home
Builders has requested consideration of 2 applications, one for primary plat approval to
sub divide a 7 -plus acre parcel into two smaller lots, and a second application to
construct their new corporate headquarters on one of the lots.
The petitioner met with the Special Studies committee two weeks ago and worked
through a number of issues. It is the petitioner's feeling that all issues are resolved,
based on our conversations as recently as today with staff. It should be noted that the
Special Studies Committee did recommend that the Plan Commission favorably consider
both of these items.
Steve Stromquist reported for the Special Studies Committee. Regarding the Primary
Plat, Docket 07040022, the petitioner appeared at the June 28 meeting and had some
outstanding issues with the Engineering Department. Those issues have since been
addressed and there are no further issues at this time. The petitioner was to provide a
landscape plan approved by Scott Brewer; Scott Brewer has tentatively approved those
plans.
There were more outstanding issues with the Development Plan, Docket 07040023.
There is a 10 ft. asphalt path to nowhere. Steve Stromquist asked for the Commission's
input on the path issue. The Committee asked the petitioner to build the path now rather
than set aside the money in escrow. The petitioner was agreeable to either constructing
the path now or putting the money into escrow.
Rich Kelly pointed out the area on a visual. The path has been discussed with David
Littlejohn of DOCS as far as doing a meandering path to avoid any of the large,
significant trees on site; David Littlejohn is receptive to that idea. At the construction
phase, the petitioner will again meet on site with David Littlejohn and pin -point the path,
since he has given some flexibility to meander and try to minimize damage to the trees.
Steve Stromquist stated that the Committee was not against the path, but it appears the
path goes absolutely nowhere.
Rich Kelly said that if and when the property to the west is developed, which is the plan
of Justus Home Builders, the path would at least be extended down to Pro Med.
Angie Conn, DOCS The Department did get some additional neighborhood
remonstrance on July 16 and the City Engineer and the Petitioner have addressed all
of those issues, mostly regarding the site drainage, permeable pavers, things that were
covered in the Committee meeting. The Department has signed off on this project; the
Department is recommending favorable consideration this evening.
Kevin Heber said he had spoken with Mr. Doxtater on Sunday and he was still pretty
concerned.
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Angie Conn responded that Mr. Doxtater's remonstrance was submitted to the City
Engineer's office and they worked with the petitioner to address all issues. All the points
brought up by Mr. Doxtater were covered and addressed by the City Engineer.
Paul Reis, attorney, noted that Mr. Doxtater sent the letter to Gary Duncan, however
Gary was on vacation; when Gary returned he went through all those points. Mr.
Doxtater may still have concerns, but I think he wanted to reiterate that these points are
being addressed.
Rick Ripma asked if there were any changes to the plan, or did everything go through
exactly the same as it was.
Paul Reis responded that the petitioner did not make any changes from the original
presentation —that is why there were no new packets for tonight's meeting.
Rick Ripma asked if the sidewalk that goes to the 10 -foot path will take out a lot of trees
Paul Reis said that Chris and Rich Kelly had conversations with Scott Brewer to
meander both the sidewalk and the path as best they can to have very little negative
impact on the trees.
Madeleine Torres wondered if any consideration had been given to the recommendation
of having a white roof.
Paul Reis said the petitioner is still exploring the possibility of a white roof with the
architect. We have not ruled it out and if it makes sense, we will do it.
Rick Ripma asked the status of hybrid vehicle spaces —Paul Reis responded that there
will not be any.
Rick Ripma made formal motion to approve Docket No. 07040022 PP: Justus
Business Park, lots 1 -2, and Docket No. 07040023 DP Amend /ADLS Amend:
Justus Business Park, lot 2 Justus Office Building; the motion was seconded by
Madeleine Torres and Approved 6 -0.
31. Docket No. 07040019 DP /ADLS: West Carmel Marketplace Burger King
The applicant seeks site plan and design approval for a proposed restaurant
building. The site is located at 9853 N Michigan Rd, and is zoned B -3 /Business
within the US 421
Overlay. Filed by Richard Sampson of Burger King Corp.
Mike Dauss of Dauss Architects presented for the petitioner. The last time we were here
one of the first issues that came up was the actual site layout; this is where we had
started and had been questioned by a couple members of the Commission regarding the
safety of the site layout and requested an alternate layout site be submitted. We
submitted a conceptual plan to the Special Studies committee for their review and we
have since further refined the plan that includes the drive thru window on the north side
of the building. We have submitted and worked with staff and very much appreciate
their cooperation. We have done a lot of work in the past two weeks since we presented
the concept. Basically, what the plan does is remove the drive thru from the rear of the
property as the Ordinance requires and allows the drive thru to go to the north side of
the property. This layout helps with problems at the front entrance —it moves the front
entrance farther to the south, farther from the intersection of the access drives. It also
allows a person who wants to go into the drive thru lane to turn right on to that lane. If
that lane is blocked, the person can continue on, park the vehicle and go inside, or wait.
The revised plan also helps with concerns from the Commission regarding the menu
board and screening. When the building is rotated and the dumpster is located in the
rear yard —the masonry screen wall enclosure for the dumpster helps block the menu
board. With the addition of arborvitae plantings at the suggestion of Scott Brewer, the
menu board will be effectively screened. The site development option helps answer
several of those concerns. This does require a variance from the zoning requirements
and that request is on file and will be heard next Monday.
The only other comment was a revision of the menu board sign which includes a stone
base that is similar to the base used, not just resting on single steel posts.
Special Studies Committee Report, Steve Stromquist: The biggest concern regarding
this project was the traffic in and out and queuing of the cars in the drive thru along with
the menu board issue. Traffic in this area can be horrific, especially during the noon
hour, and we wanted to see what would be the best solution to the problem. The
Special Studies Committee wants to commend the petitioner for doing a great job
working with us on this project and coming up with a solution that fits this particular
parcel of land. The Committee gave a unanimous, positive vote.
Rick Ripma asked for further clarification on the sign board.
Mike Dauss said that revised packets were distributed —there is stone underneath; the
sign will be blocked by the dumpster enclosure.
Steve Stromquist made formal motion to approve Docket No. 07040019 DP /ADLS:
West Carmel Marketplace Burger King, seconded by Susan Westermeier, Approved
6 -0.
41. Docket No. 07040021 DP /ADLS: Irwin Union Bank, Carmel Science
Tech Park, Block 11, Lot 3
The applicant seeks site plan and design approval for a bank building. The site is
located at the 700 block of West Carmel Dr. and is zoned M -3 /Manufacturing.
Filed by Jim Shinaver of Nelson Frankenberger for Irwin Union Realty Corp.
Jim Shinaver presented for the petitioner. The following persons also attended the
meeting: Julie Strikes of Irwin Union Bank; Brandon Burke of Schneider Engineering;
architect Todd Williams of Williams and Associates; Sean Green of Green Sign
Company.
The petitioner is requesting a DP /ADLS. The site is located within the Science and
Technology Park. Mr. Shinaver displayed and reviewed a visual map of the real estate.
Irwin Union desires to construct a bank on this property; the bank itself will be
approximately 5,400 sq. ft. The Special Studies Committee gave this project a
unanimous recommendation for approval at the June 28, 2007 meeting. Another visual
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exhibit of the landscape plan was shown and discussed. Access to the site is from City
Center Drive; there is also access to Lake Front Court.
Brandon Burke has been working closely with Scott Brewer, Urban Forester regarding
the landscape plan for this site. Scott Brewer has approved the plan and there are no
outstanding landscaping issues.
Mr. Shinaver reviewed previous renderings of the project. Jim Shinaver indicated that a
sample of the EFIS was brought in for the Commission to see. Mr. Shinaver also
discussed lighting and signage plans. Irwin Union Bank decided not to put green
parking spaces at the front with handicapped parking —the feeling is that it is not
warranted at that location. There will be two (2) spaces on the site that will have the
green designation. The trash enclosure area was relocated to the southwest corner of
the parking lot and the enclosure itself will be taller than the receptacle designed to
screen. The petitioner has added additional crosswalk striping in the parking lot area. A
few trees were added to the eastern portion of the site which has the drive thru area.
The roof material for the structure itself will be a TPO type of material that is
environmentally friendly. Gary Duncan, City Engineer's Office indicated in a meeting on
Monday that all issues have been resolved, including the curb cuts.
Special Studies Committee Report, Steve Stromquist: The attractiveness of the building
was discussed —it was suggested that more brick and less EFIS be used and that more
detail should be added to the building; however, nothing has changed. The petitioner
meets all of the requirements set out by our ordinance. Traffic flow is still an issue.
Angie Conn, DOCS. The City Engineering Department did send out an email on July 16.
Basically they would like to withdraw the comment on the Department Report regarding
the curb cut. The Engineering Department feels that it is adequate at this time; IF, at a
later date it is determined to be a problem, it could be taken out.
Steve Stromquist noted that the petitioner adequately answered the questions on the
signage. Mr. Stromquist asked the petitioner for more specifics on the white roof and
skylights to provide some green building design.
Jim Shinaver responded that there will be a white roof with a TPO material —a type of
material that is environmentally friendly.
Todd Williams explained that the way the building is designed, a lot of light comes thru
the lobby atrium and the light helps to illuminated the building internally. There are some
large window areas for the public lobby to bring light in on the north side. All of the
offices have large windows and Todd indicated the location of the windows on a visual.
Angie Conn, DOCS said that the only outstanding issue is that it appears the ground
sign is in the road right -of -way and will require a variance approval. The Department is
recommending that this item be approved.
Jim Shinaver indicated that an application for a variance has been submitted.
Leo Dierckman asked about the etching on the stone. Todd Williams responded that
this was introduced here in Carmel and is visible on the mock -up in the Chambers. The
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colors were reviewed. Leo asked how you would define this architecture. Todd Williams
responded that it is considered modern architecture with clean, crisp lines.
Rick Ripma indicated that he does not find the building attractive. Also discussed at
this time was the need for "green spaces."
Sally Shapiro said the vacuum tubes are exposed and asked if there was any way to
enclose them and not have the pipes hanging down.
Todd Williams said they might be able to take the horizontal portion of the tube and put
in under the canopy and possibly drop something down to cover it. Trying to enclose the
tubes would be difficult. Irwin Bank does not do underground vacuum tubes. They were
exposed intentionally, but since this is a modern building we do not feel we have to hide
things, we need to study them.
Sue Westermeier commented that it is not the most attractive building.
Further discussion revolved around the architecture, site location, etc.
Jim Shinaver reviewed the ordinances for this area which are all met by the project.
Rick Ripma made formal motion to approve Docket No. 07040021 DP /ADLS: Irwin
Union Bank, Carmel Science TechPark, Block 11, Lot 3 with the exception of the
"green" spaces (there are no green spaces) Madeleine Torres seconded the motion. The
vote was 5 in favor, two opposed (Shapiro, Heber.) No Action Taken.
Sue Westermeier then made formal motion to approve Docket No. 07040021
DP /ADLS: Irwin Union Bank, Carmel Science Tech Park, Block 11, and Lot 3,
seconded by Sally Shapiro, Approved 6 in favor, one opposed Ripma.)
51. Docket No. 07040024 DP: 1328 -1440 W. Main Street
The applicant seeks development plan approval for five buildings. The site is
located at the NE corner of US 31 (Meridian) and W. Main Street and is zoned B-
6 /Business within the US 31 Overlay.
Filed by Jamie Browning of Browning Real Estate Partners.
Jaime Browning presented. Mr. Browning was accompanied by Chris Wiseman, Paul
Cripe, Civil Engineers and Matt Skelton, Esq. with Baker and Daniels. This is the
second reading of our development plan for our project. As you may recall we submitted
a rezone application earlier this year which was approved by the Plan Commission and
City Council. Our development plan contemplates 4 -5 structures, which would consist of
office space, possibly medical office space, retail in the building on 131S and
Pennsylvania. As I noted with the Commission and City Council, our request for retail
would require us to return for a variance. I did assure the Council that I would restrict the
amount of retail to no more than 15% of the gross area of the development.
The circulation around the site includes a proposed interchange to be constructed at
131 St Street and Pennsylvania; also there is a plan contemplated to extend 131 St to Old
Meridian via Grand Blvd. This part of 131s' is slated for interchange as part of the
State's "Major Moves" program. We have submitted our utility drainage plans both to the
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City Engineer and the County Surveyor. We have received their comments and have
made modifications as requested.
The petitioner submitted a tree survey to Scott Brewer for his review. Regarding the
buffer zone, it is the intention not to remove any more trees than allowed by the
Ordinance. Also, we intend to leave as many trees as we can between the development
and the adjoining residential property. Since the last Plan Commission meeting, the
petitioner met with a group of the residents, discussed all of the issues, and unless there
is anything to the contrary, it appears that all concerns have been effectively address at
this time. In regards to open space, Mr. Browning displayed a visual showing the
coverage rate to be 57 the maximum coverage rate in the ordinance is 65% and the
petitioner is well within the allowable; we hope to maintain this green space as we move
forward. Some concern was voiced that we will not be using green building practices or
LEED certified practices. Our detention area which fronts on US 31 is a terminology
called Best Management Practices in terms of water quality. This is an EPA certified
program that is also embraced by the City.
Currently we are seeking Development Plan approval —any issues related to ADLS
approval would be submitted on an individual basis and information provided at that
time. In that regard, we will do our very best to incorporate the suggestions of the Plan
Commission related to green building practices.
Steve Stromquist reported for the Special Studies Committee. Regarding the DP and
ADLS —there is a lot of concrete and not enough green space. The petitioner did
commit that no more than 15% of the development would be retail.
Jamie Browning: Subsequent to the Special Studies, we made changes to the
secondary entrance. The concern of the Committee was that there was a roundabout to
manage the traffic and secondly, the road really did not function well with the alignment
with Grand Blvd. The request was to take that road and make it more of an ancillary
road, more of an emergency use for fire trucks, so we have made that change and have
highlighted that on the plan.
Steve Stromquist said the petitioner agreed to green grass pavers for fire truck entrance
and for emergency vehicles to enter and exit the site. The Committee voted
unanimously to go forward with this project.
Angie Conn, DOCS noted that the petitioner does comply with all requirements of the US
31 Overlay, however, the Department would still like to see a site that is more pedestrian
friendly with buildings grouped closer together, more walk -able, since it is adjacent to the
Old Meridian District. However the Department does recommend approval.
Steve Stromquist commented that depending on who the tenant may be, there is the
possibility of a parking garage being built.
Madeleine Torres clarified that what is before the Commission at this time is the
Development Plan; any changes made by the petitioner would require a return to the
Plan Commission.
Rick Ripma asked why the Department is recommending approval if they still want the
petitioner to do something different.
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Angie Conn: The Department hopes that the petitioner will take our suggestions;
however, they do meet the Ordinance.
Leo Dierckman indicated that this meets all the requirements of the ordinance and the
petitioner is working within the ordinance. If we do not like the ordinance, we need to
change it —this proposal is within the rules
Sally Shapiro reviewed her comments of last month and said that this proposal is piece-
meal and the ADLS is to follow. At the end of the day, if we approve this, the petitioner
can return and say, "Well, I have had 5 buildings on there all the time." I don't like the
piece -meal of this project.
Madeleine said that this has been done other times and the final product has been ok.
Leo wanted to see further improvements made by the Petitioner regarding additional
green space as requested.
Sue Westermeier made formal motion to approve Docket No. 07040024 DP: 1328 -1440
West Main Street, seconded by Stromquist, Approved 6 -0.
J. New Business
TABLED:
1J. Docket No. 07070009 ADLS: Holiday Inn at Pro Med Ln
The applicant seeks architecture /design approval for a proposed full- service
hotel. The site is located at 136th Street and Pro Med Lane, and is zoned 136,
within the US 31 /Meridian Street Overlay.
Filed by Dave Coots of Coots, Henke Wheeler for Midwest Hospitality Group,
Inc.
There was no further business to come before the Commission and the meeting
adjourned at 8:10 PM.
Leo Dierckman, President
Lisa Stewart, Secretary pro tem
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