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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes SpecStdy 10-30-08of CA �VNONE y�A C i t y RTOMORROW o /NDIMp CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE THURSDAY, OCTOBER 30, 2008 6:00 PM CAUCUS ROOMS CARMEL CITY HALL ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL IN 46032 Minutes Committee Members Present: Rick Ripma, Chairperson; "Woody" Rider; Sue Westermeier Department of Community Services Staff Present: Director Michael Hollibaugh; Rachel Boone; Angie Conn; John Molitor, Legal Counsel Also Present: Ramona Hancock, Secretary The Special Studies Committee considered the following items: 1. Docket No. 08100003 ADLS Amend: Ameriana Bank Signage The applicant seeks approval for two new wall signs and two exempt directional signs. The site is located at 3975 W. 106 St. and is zoned B -5. Filed by Brent Bennett of A -1 Expeditors. Present for the Petitioner: Brent Bennett, A -1 Expeditors on behalf of Ameriana Bank. Overview: Two Wall Signs Proposed Two directional signs proposed (exempt) ATM signage included (also exempt) Department Comments, Rachel Boone: Sign facing west is 10 square feet Signs are blue letters with red logo Signs are within the Ordinance Second sign faces north and is 31 square feet Two directional ground signs, less than 3 square feet—exempt ATM signage is also under 3 square feet and exempt S: /P1anCommission /Minutes /SpecialStudies /2008 /oct 30 1 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417 Committee Comments: Colors are acceptable Signs are within Ordinance allowance Motion: Sue Westermeier "To approve Docket No. 08100007 ADLS Amend, Carmel Walk Signage," seconded by Woody Rider, Approved 3 -0. Motion Carried. 2. Docket No. 08100007 ADLS Amend: Carmel Walk Signage The applicant seeks approval for a new sign package. The site is located at 1305 N. Rangeline Rd. and is zoned B -8 /Business within the Carmel Drive Rangeline Road Overlay. Filed by Joel Hall of Sign -A -Rama on behalf of David Fineberg of The Fineberg Group (property owner). Present for Petitioner: David Fineberg, The Fineberg Group; Joel Hall, Sign -A -Rama Overview: Currently experiencing a lot of inactivity regarding prospective tenants Limiting colors and signage puts a competitive disadvantage on business Requesting sign package Request sizing be tied to future changes in the Ordinance Does not want to return for each individual tenant signage Working with Dept (Mike Rachel) Department Comments, Rachel Boone: Suggests 4 or 5 color limitation Uncertain how to take on color issue Currently restricted to red Do not want to limit tenants due to signage Dept would like some control over colors of the letters Too many colors look too busy, not cohesive Signs could be day /night plex (color during the day, white at night) Recommend approval after all concerns addressed Committee Comments: Signs in this center need to be up -dated Restricting—businesses with different color sign would have to return Why restrict? Would rather leave it open on color and in hands of Dept. Logo colors are allowed Logo is restricted to 25% of total sign Size restrictions on signage under Ordinance Michael Hollibaugh: "Less is More" is City's position on limiting sign colors in strip centers Fewer colors and signage reduce clutter More colors tend to cheapen the look; does not give high quality look S: /P1anCommission /Minutes /SpecialStudies /2008 /oct 30 2 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417 More colors produce "rainbow" effect Trying to hold the line on sign colors Striving for more simple sign color pallet Motion, Woody Rider "To approve Docket No. 08100007 ADLS Amend, Carmel Walk Signage, the size of signs is to remain in agreement with the Sign Ordinance," seconded by Sue Westermeier, approved 3 -0 Motion Carried. Docket No. 08100008 ADLS Amend: The National Bank of Indianapolis Signage The applicant seeks approval for one new ground sign. The site is located at 10590 N. Michigan Rd. and is zoned I -1 within the Michigan Rd Overlay. Filed by Tom McDowell of Brenner Design. Present for Petitioner: Tom McDowell, Brenner Design Overview: Request one new ground sign Existing branch bank -106 Michigan Road Finishing on proposed sign will match existing building MaterialsEFIS, limestone, painted metal Sign to be up- lighted and landscaped Sign would complement architectural elements of building Sign would provide identification for east /west traffic Department Comments: Sign is 17 square feet in area, 4 ft tall Sign is illuminated with ground lights Sign is EFIS and brick to match building Similar signs approved for Bank of Indpls at West Clay location Recommend approval after concerns are addressed Committee Comments: If you don't see the building, you will not see the sign Adds to sign clutter No real need for the sign Might cause roadway accidents Motion, Woody Rider "To approve Docket No. 08100008 ADLS Amend, The National Bank of Indianapolis, Signage," seconded by Sue Westermeier, 2 -1 (Ripma) No Decision Vote Motion, Sue Westermeier "To approve Docket No. 08100008 ADLS Amend, The National Bank of Indianapolis, Signage," seconded by Woody Rider, approved 3 -0 Motion Carried 4 -5. Docket No. 08090008 -09 ADLS Amend: West Carmel Shoppes Signage The applicant seeks approval for two new ground signs. The site is located at 4335 W. 106 St. and is zoned B -3 /Business. Filed by Don Miller of A Sign by Design. S: /P1anCommission /Minutes /SpecialStudies /2008 /oct 30 3 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417 Present for Petitioner: Don Miller, A Sign by Design Overview: Propose two ground signs One sign at north entrance; one at south Signs are single faced Center is completely hidden by Walgreens Wendy's Former site of Ritters Frozen Custard also blocks visibility of the center Sign meets height and square footage requirements of Ordinance Department Comments: Signs fit Ordinance Signs are 37 square feet in area Signs are less than 6 feet tall Ten tenants on sign —not all tenants listed Signs are beige color and brick Signs are illuminated from within Signs are white background with black lettering, respecting font choices of tenant Dept recommends positive consideration Committee Comments: Signs at this location are absolutely necessary Parking at this location is not enough Back of sign should be brick—petitioner agreed Motion, Sue Westermeier "To approve conditioned on the back of the signs being constructed of brick," seconded by Woody Rider, approved 3 -0 Motion Carried. 6. Docket No. 08100009 ADLS Amend: The Museum of Miniature Houses (Warren Phelps, lot 31 Pt) The applicant seeks approval for a building addition and projecting sign. The site is located at 111 E Main Street and is zoned B -1 /Business within the Character Subarea of the Old Town Overlay. Filed by Jack Munson of Richardson, Munson Weir. Present for Petitioner: Jack Munson, Richardson, Munson Weir Overview: Addition to current frontage on Main Street Addition to contain show window and a large conference room for children to work on projects Addition will imitate turn of century commercial building to the west Addition will match existing brick Building will have a blade sign Blade sign illuminated with goose neck, incandescent fixtures —one on either side of sign— up to 100W incandescent bulb S: /P1anCommission /Minutes /SpecialStudies /2008 /oct 30 4 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417 Department Comments, Angie Conn Building addition will complement project to the west developed by CRC Dept recommends positive consideration Committee Comments: Retaining existing building? (yes) Addition will blend with community Recommend positive consideration Motion, Woody Rider "To approve Docket No. 08100009 ADLS Amend, The Museum of Miniature Houses (Warren Phelps, Lot 31 Pt)" seconded by Sue Westermeier, approved 3 -0 Motion Carried. 7. Docket No. 08080020 ADLS: Hotel Indigo The applicant seeks design approval for a 5 -story hotel building. The site is located northeast of 131 St. US 31 and is zoned B -6 /Business within the US 31 Overlay. Filed by Jay Gibson of CDG Consulting, Inc. Present for Petitioner: Jay Gibson, Engineer, CDG Consulting; Bill Galvin, and Jovan Rayle. Overview: Propose 5 -story Hotel 104 rooms /suites plus conference center Brick and Stone Facing material displayed Maximum employees per shift-10 Up -dated parking plan reflects shift requirements Site is part of an overall PUD approved in July brought forth by Browning Assoc Browning submitted plans for overall infrastructure Intersection improvements being made by INDOT Developer is installing constructed wetlands, detention facilities, interior access drive Site is essentially stand -alone Site will discharge into storm water facility Banks extend along interior access drive Storm sewer8 inch line northerly along 131 st Street Sanitary Sewer stub provided Domestic Water Line Siamese hook -up on front of building Front area of building can be subject of art contest Signage /Additional Info Three proposed —two on building, one ground Ground sign on access drive is 3X5 Awnings on buildings will have logos on them Revised landscape and lighting plans submitted Bike Parking along front of building for 7 bike spaces Pedestrian access via sidewalk on north side of access drive S: /P1anCommission /Minutes /SpecialStudies /2008 /oct 30 5 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417 Path runs through the interior of parking area at right access to bldg Engineer has not yet reviewed Petitioner will submit construction drawings to City Engineer Department Comments: Concern regarding no Engineer Review as yet Unknown as to when Engineer Review letter is forthcoming Huge sign at front—public art or signage Will there be Restaurant Signage? Petitioner needs to include restaurant signage with sign package Dept recommends forwarding after all concerns addressed Committee Comments: Cart before the Horse Not comfortable currently with proposal Details could change substantially Question regarding public art in front—request better rendering —true art? Who has final approval of the art work? Art work would need to be reviewed and approved every 5 to 7 years Committee or Dept would review art? Who is responsible for retention facility? (Browning) Southwest elevation needs more glass and landscaping— something more than brick wall HVAC hidden? (Yes, behind parapet walls) Landscape Plan? (Not yet reviewed by Urban Forester) Rachel Boone: Signs are over allowable size Signs will need BZA approval Request exact dimensions of signs Mural at front of bldg probably public art, but needs to be determined Additional Committee Comments: Missing Engineering Comments Design is OK except for elevation facing Main Street Request Landscape Plan Drainage— perhaps City should talk to Browning Request petitioner provide adequate parking (Petitioner is 27 parking spaces short and will get a Cross Easement to accommodate) Docket No. 08080020 ADLS, Hotel Indigo CONTINUED to December meeting. 8. TABLED TO DEC. 2: Docket No. 08040008 ADLS Amend: Circle K/Shell leeated at 1�S Rangel D.1 it is zoned B- /Busines within th (`a D Ruin eline Rd nom, File,1 by Don >�ish t e uy -��x Lrrgm e i'1" `rr� r n� S: /P1anCommission /Minutes /SpecialStudies /2008 /oct 30 C ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417 9. Docket No. 08100017 ADLS Amend: Acupuncture of Indiana Signage The applicant seeks approval for one new suspended sign. The site is located at 300 E. Main Street and is zoned B -5 in the Old Town Overlay. Filed by Alex Egan of Egan Signs on behalf of owner Thomas Hammett. Present for Petitioner: Alex Egan, Egan Signs. Overview: Petitioner requests new, suspended sign Sign will be wood and metal Sign is located at 300 East Main Street within Arts Design District Department Comments, Rachel Boone: Sign will be 3X4 feet, 5 ft tall Name phone number will appear on one side Name of tenant will appear on opposite side of sign Sign Colors are blue and white with decorative white post Sign is non illuminated Sign will be landscaped around base Existing sign will be removed Committee Comments: Sign is an improvement Committee agrees Woody Rider, Motion "To approve Docket No. 08100017 ADLS Amend, Acupuncture of Indiana, Signage" seconded by Sue Westermeier, approved 3 -0. Motion Carried Meeting Adjourned at 7:10 PM. Rick Ripma, Chairperson Ramona Hancock, Secretary S: /P1anCommission /Minutes /SpecialStudies /2008 /oct 30 7 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417