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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes SpecStdy 12-02-08of CA �VNONE y�A C i t y RTOMORROW o /NDIMAN CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE TUESDAY, DECEMBER 2, 2008 CAUCUS ROOMS, 2 nd FLR CARMEL CITY HALL ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL IN 46032 6:00 PM Minutes Committee Members Present: Wayne Haney, Kevin "Woody" Rider, Rick Ripma, Madeleine Torres, Sue Westermeier. DOCS Staff Present: Rachel Boone; Christine Barton Holmes, and John Molitor, Legal Counsel Also present: Ramona Hancock, Plan Commission Secretary The Special Studies Committee considered the following items: 1. Docket No. 08110002 ADLS Amend: Winslow Aesthetic Wellness Center Signage The applicant seeks approval for the design of two directory ground signs and two monument ground signs. The site is located at 2000 W 116th St. (at the northwest corner of AAA Way 116th St.) and is zoned B-7/Business. Filed by Amanda Gates of Sign Craft Industries. Present for Petitioner: Michael Dierdorf, Sign Craft Industries Overview: Sign Proposal for Winslow Aesthetic Wellness Center Request total of 4 signs Propose monument signs located at 116"' Street and Century Drive Propose two directory signs located at entrance to each parking lot Monument sign dimensions: 12.75' X 2.8' total 35.7 square feet Directory sign dimensions: 5' X 3.5' 5' tall total 17.5 square feet Colors: Monument Signs have tan background, teal lettering; directories have 15 tenant panels, same colors as monument signs Lighting: external ground lighting on monument signs; directory signs are non illuminated Department Report, Rachel Boone: Petitioner is re- facing monument signs Existing Sign Cabinet is 36 Square Feet and within the Ordinance S:/P1anCommission/Minutes/PC- Special Studies /2008 /dec02 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417 Two New Directory signs are 5 feet tall and allowed under the Ordinance Existing Directory Sign is taller and larger than permitted —new signs will conform to Ordinance Dept recommends positive consideration Committee Comments: True Color shown on renderings? (Color rendering is computer generated and looks brighter than actual) Teal will stand out more for identification of center Motion: Sue Westermeier "To approve Docket No. 08110002 ADLS Amend, Winslow Aesthetic Wellness Center Signage," seconded by Wayne Haney, approved 5 -0. Motion Carried. 2. TABLED TO JAN. 6: Docket No. 08040008 ADLS Amend: Circle K/Shell The appheani seeks approval for- a building addifiefi4emedel and new eanapy. The site is leeated 1230 S Rangeline Rd. it is zoned B 3/Business wiffiin the Cafmel Dr- Rangeline Rd Over-lay. Filed by Don Fisher- of insight Engineering, ine. 3. (MIGHT BE WITHDRAWN) Docket No. 08100018 ADLS Amend: Weston Park Signage The applicant seeks approval for the new design of two previously approved multi- tenant ground signs. The site is located at 10574 Workout Way (southwest corner of Michigan Rd 106"' St.) and is zoned I -1, in the US 421 Overlay. Filed by Amanda Gates of Sign Craft Industries. 4. Docket No. 08080020 ADLS: Hotel Indigo The applicant seeks design approval for a 5 -story hotel building. The site is located northeast of 131S St. US 31 and is zoned B-6/Business within the US 31 Overlay. Filed by Jay Gibson of CDG Consulting, Inc. Present for Petitioner: Bill Galvin, hotel owner; Scott Perry, Jay Gibson, CDG Consulting; and Jovan Rayle. Overview: Art Wall at front will display the result of a contest —photo will be placed on the wall Retention Area —per agreement between developer and owner, (Browning) a bio- retention area will be provided Signage: Details of Signage at entry are forthcoming at January 6"' Committee meeting Department Report, Christine Barton Holmes: Request discussion and continuation Engineering Forestry Departments currently reviewing Dept will continue to work with petitioner to resolve issues Committee Comments: Contest for Art—who judges and approves? How often would art change out? (8 -10 yrs) Determination of Art or Signage—no wording, no advertising -8 -10 year change -out would need close scrutiny and approval Special Studies Committee should have final OK —not Arts Council Project is on US 31 Committee needs final determination Signage on Hotel Restaurant? No, not at this time--could be eventually Design and Details not concrete S:/P1anCommission/Minutes/PC- Special Studies /2008 /dec02 2 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417 Request Tabling until more details available Request information substantially prior to Committee to allow for review time Docket No. 08080020 ADLS, Hotel Indigo was Continued to the January 6, 2009 Committee for further review. 5. Docket No. 08090032 OA: Park Place PUD Ordinance Amendment The applicant seeks approval to amend Ordinance Z- 500 -06, Section 5. Le: Park Place Planned Unit Development in order to amend the breakdown of unit types. The site is located northeast of 116"' St Guilford Rd and is zoned PUD /Planned Unit Development. Filed by E. Davis Coots of Coots Henke Wheeler for Greystone Communities, Inc. Present for Petitioner: Dave Coots, Mark Sheegan, 222 West Los Alamos Blvd, Irving, Texas Overview: Parking —current unit mix reduces parking by 4 spaces Parking remains under the number permitted by Ordinance Unit mix does not have a negative impact on parking requirements Petitioner requests return to Plan Commission with positive recommendation for approval Dept Comments, Christine Barton Holmes: Original PUD specific with type and number of units Project and needs evaluated Proposal provides for new mix of units Recommend forwarding to Dec 16 Plan Commission with a favorable recommendation Committee Comments: Why the mix initially? Mix provided for in detail of original PUD Parking adequate? Current parking spaces number 375 —same amount as initial proposal -371 spaces required Assisted Living Units adjusted downward Memory Support units now provided Previous project was taxable--current proposal is not Would like project to be a tax generator Dave Coots, Response: Has spoken with Karl Haas, attorney for CRC; the Carmel Redevelopment Commission will review this project on December 17 No tax revenues from this project have been allocated —CRC controls the revenue and how it is allocated. Motion: Sue Westermeier "To forward Docket No. 08090032 OA, Park Place PUD Ordinance Amendment to the full Commission with a favorable recommendation," seconded by Wayne Haney, voted 5 -0 Motion Carried. S:/P1anCommission/Minutes/PC- Special Studies /2008 /dec02 3 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417 6. Docket No. 08090017 DP /ADLS: Aaron Ruben Nelson Mortuary The applicant seeks site plan and design approval for a mortuary. The site is located at 11411 N Michigan Rd. and is zoned B -5 /Business. Filed by Charlie Frankenberger of Nelson Frankenberger for The Blackstone Group. Present for Petitioner: Charlie Frankenberger, attorney, Nelson and Frankenberger; Max Nelson, Aaron, Ruben, Nelson Mortuary; Scott Bordenay, Engineer; Jon Dobosiewicz, land use consultant with Nelson and Frankenberger. Overview: Request for Sign Variance withdrawn at BZA Special Use Application approved at BZA Commitments requested at Rezone provide for increase in buffer along northern boundary to 30 feet Parking now numbers 130 spaces Building is residential in nature and incorporates brick exterior and sloped roof Monument sign on brick foundation, framed by white columns and gable Sign complies with Ordinance Fencing is not required by 2004 commitments but petitioner is supplementing northern buffer with fencing Dumpster is being re- located Request Favorable Consideration Department Report, Christine Barton Holmes: Project heard at BZA on November 24 Significant landscaping on site —some preserved, some augmented with additional landscaping No details as yet regarding County Highway and County Surveyor Urban Forester Scott Brewer still working with petitioner on landscaping Dept recommends favorable consideration and referral to Dec 16 Plan Commission meeting Petitioner's Response: Petitioner states he satisfies requirements of County Surveyor's Office Fence is not identified 7 Arborvitae have been added to buffer area Scott Brewer has not seen additional plantings and reserves final OK prior to Commission meeting Jon Dobosiewicz says installation of fence was never a part of commitment Committee Comments: Additional fencing— Petitioner is not working hard enough to help neighborhood to accept this project Petitioner is not providing adequate visual block Any commitment from real estate office (C -21) when they were approved'? Their parking lot is blocked entirely by a fence Very little blockage /visual barrier on east side of parking area East and North perimeters are concerns for visual blockage—absolutely need to block the lights Petitioner: Jon Dobosiewicz requested Committee pinpoint issues Again, fence installation was never a part of commitment S:/P1anCommission/Minutes/PC- Special Studies /2008 /dec02 4 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417 Max Nelson, Aaron Ruben Nelson Mortuary: Some visitation held at night—usually always ends by 9:00 PM. Not traditional for visitation after 9:00 PM —would be rare No visitation, no lights Probably no more than 20 visitations during a year that would last beyond 8 o'clock. Light Fixture poles are 12 feet in height and more attractive than shoebox -style fixture Total of 3 light fixtures at end, one at bike racks —there are 6 locations. Petitioner will look to Committee for advice and guidance. Committee additional comments: Car lights are a problem —need further screening View of Sign also needs to be screened from homes Monument sign—internally lit— hours? Petitioner's Response: Additional screening can be done in areas of concern Block car lights and some of the view could be done by landscaping but would need Scott Brewer's approval prior to full Commission Monument sign background is black, letters are white, sign does not glow, only shows in dark hours Will make sign panel opaque, letters could be seen from distance--only trying to identify the building— letters stand out, background does not Petitioner will either fence or hedgerow for visual block Sign sits lower —will do study to be sure it is screened Petitioner intends to be a good neighbor Largest funeral service would probably generate 40 cars If large crowd is anticipated, it would be held at the Temple Seldom would have enough cars to fill the lot Current facility parking is approximately 50 cars Proposed facility is approximately 4,000 square feet larger -130 spaces provided under the Ordinance Members of the public comments: Donald Birt, 4607 Woodhaven Drive; 3 main concerns: Site lighting —even if fenced, 12 foot pole /llighting would not be blocked —Full cut -off fixture would be appropriate. 2) Fencing —white vinyl fence is not very attractive in the woodsy atmosphere of the neighborhood —cedar fencing would blend -in better. 3) The building should be "flipped" with the back to the south property line rather than the north property line; would make a better installation for the neighborhood and would not negatively impact the funeral home Additional Committee Comments: Building is beautiful Signage —cremations services--double naming Committee was not supplied with good renditions of the building Vinyl fencing would look like wood and would wear better—minimal maintenance Color brown for fence is OK if neighbors would prefer Address light above the fence Not enough windows in the front S:/P1anCommission/Minutes/PC- Special Studies /2008 /dec02 5 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417 Petitioner, Additional Comments Brown Fence Color would detract from the building site rather than enhance Ordinance prescribes height allowance Residential in appearance Lights are on when it is dark out Max Nelson —would make sure lights are off at 10 PM every night One light on southwest corner of bldg would remain lit for security purposes Parking lot lights need NOT be on all night—lighting the fagade of building is a different matter Lights in parking lot would be on at sunset and off at 10:00 PM Lights on funeral home would be lit all night Globes will block light going north Shield will be to the north on residential side Dormer windows added to second floor Michigan Road side is part of viewing area and is recessed North area of building is closer to 421 Storage, cremator, and garage do not have windows; other areas for flower delivery, restrooms Will commit to add two additional dormers Will look at fence along northern border —will be blocked —will extend either fence or landscaping Petitioner will work with Scott Brewer to supplement visual blockage. Petitioner will use 8 foot tall evergreens at planting Motion: Susan Westermeier "To forward to Plan Commission with positive recommendation, subject to: approval from County Highway, County Surveyor, Scott Brewer regarding landscaping, agreement regarding parking lot lights —on at sunset, off at 10:00 PM, (not on in Mornings at all) parking lot lights shielded to the north, petitioner to add two more dormers to north side of building, petitioner to return to Plan Commission with full screening at on -set of plantings, not in 6 to 8 years, sign screened from neighborhood entirely," (entire sign is pictured as illuminated) seconded by Woody Rider, voted 5 -0— Motion Carried. There was no further business to come before the Committee; the meeting adjourned at 7:15 PM. Rick Ripma, Chairperson Ramona Hancock, Secretary S:/P1anCommission/Minutes/PC- Special Studies /2008 /dec02 C ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317/571 -2417