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CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION
SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE
June 05, 2007
Minutes
The Special Studies Committee of the Carmel Plan Commission met in the Caucus Rooms of City
Hall at 6:00 PM June 05, 2007. Members present: Wayne Haney, Kevin Heber (late arrival)
Steve Stromquist, Susan Westermeier, thereby establishing a quorum.
DOCS Staff present: Christine Barton -Holms and Rachel Boone. John Molitor, Legal Counsel
was also in attendance.
The Special Studies Committee considered the following items:
1. Docket No. 07030026 ADLS Amend: Hamilton Beverage Signage
The applicant seeks approval for two new wall signs.
The site is located at 2290 E. 116 St. and is zoned B -8 /Business.
Filed by Mary Solada for Bingham McHale.
Mary Solada, attorney, Bingham, McHale appeared before the Committee representing the
applicant. Also in attendance: Brad Rider, United Package Liquor.
The Hamilton Beverage building was constructed in the 70's and has been a two -tenant building.
Hamilton Beverage was purchased by United Package Liquor and they are currently remodeling
the building from a two tenant space to a single tenant space. The exterior facade changes have
been approved; the signage remains to be approved.
On May 21S the Board of Zoning Appeals granted approval for the sign facing east, 50.67 square
feet in size. The sign facing 116 Street was allowed at 75 square feet. The signage is believed to
be appropriate and not excessive.
At this time, the petitioner is requesting ADLS approval of the sign plan that was approved by the
BZA. The petitioner would prefer not to limit the colors on the sign to white and seeks approval
of the Eagle logo, green, white, and red colors for the signage.
Department Report, Christine Barton Holmes: The Department is requesting one color for the
signs or using day /night plex so that the sign will show as white at night, color during the day.
The Department is recommending positive consideration and approval of one color or white at
night.
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There were questions from the Committee concerning the orientation of the signs, and the
location. The Committee was reminded that their function was one of reviewing the aesthetics of
the signs. The Committee did agree that one color, or white at night was preferable.
Brad Ryder said he could not commit to the white plexi -glass signage before obtaining pricing
information.
The current color of the building is creme with taupe trim. The dumpster will be moved to the
west side of the site, enclosed with wood, and painted to match the building. The petitioner
previously committed to remove the newspaper stand, some of the soft drink machines, and signs
in the windows as a part of the facade changes.
Susan Westermeier made formal motion to approve Docket No. 07030026 ADLS Amend,
Hamilton Beverage Signage that will show color during the day and white at night, providing
the cost is not excessive, or a single color sign, seconded by Wayne Haney, Approved 3 -0.
2. Docket No. 07040020 ADLS Amend: Riverview Health Park signs
The applicant seeks approval for 3 signs. The site is located at 14535 Hazel Dell
Pkwy. and is zoned PUD /Planned Unit Development.
Filed by Jae Ebert of Riverview Hospital.
Jae Ebert appeared before the Committee representing Riverview Hospital. The applicant is
requesting signage approval for a wall sign, two directory signs, and two, center identification
signs (total 5 signs.)
The signage would add "Hazel Dell Family Physicians" and "Immediate Care." The monument
sign would be on brick columns, aluminum, and internally lit. The monument sign is specific to
the PUD and the petitioner is now asking for 32 square feet; the other request is to move it closer
to the right -of -way —same setback as the Hazel Dell Christian Church. The petitioner is willing to
move the monument sign at some future date if the area is needed for utilities.
Department Report, Rachel Boone: The Board of Zoning Appeals approved the size and location
of the sign closer to the right -of -way on Hazel Dell. The other signs fit within the approved PUD.
The Directory signs are already constructed and fit within the Ordinance. The Department is
recommending favorable consideration.
The Committee felt that the signs needed to be changed to white because of the red brick
background —they would be easier to read and for an Immediate Care facility, it should be readily
visible, easy to see and read.
Sue Westermeier made formal motion to approve Docket No. 07040020 ADLS Amend,
Riverview Health Park Signs, for a total of 5 signs, (white signs on red brick walls,) seconded
by Kevin Heber, Approved 4 -0.
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3. Docket No. 07050005 ADLS Amend: Carmel Knoll/Main Street on the
Monon Apartments Signage
The applicant seeks approval for a new ground sign. The site is located at 14
Knoll Ct. is zoned R -4. Filed by Mike Humphrey of Barrett Stokely, Inc.
Mike Humphrey, 6368 Manchester Drive, Fishers appeared before the Committee representing
the applicant, Barrett Stokely, Inc.
Mike Humphrey reported that there is a name change of the property from Carmel Knoll to Main
Street on the Monon Apartments. The signage will be new—basically a sign face change--4.42
feet high and illuminated from the ground; there will be landscaping at the base of the sign. The
sign will be 25 square feet and in compliance with the Sign Ordinance. The sign colors are black
and gold with brick pillars; the old sign will be removed.
Department Report, Rachel Boone: The sign structure is being moved out of the right -of -way
and closer to the buildings. This is a basic name change on the sign and a new look for the area.
The sign is constructed on a 6X6 post until the masonry work is completed. The Department
recommends favorable consideration once the sign permit is completed.
Wayne Haney liked the name change.
Kevin Heber expressed concern regarding light pollution and requested lighting specifications and
suggested approval be conditioned upon light shielding directed at the sign only.
Susan Westermeier made formal motion to approve Docket No. 07050005 ADLS Amend,
Carmel Knoll/Main Street on the Monon Apartments Signage, conditioned upon shielded
lighting on the sign, seconded by Wayne Haney, Approved 4 -0.
4. Docket No. 07050006 ADLS Amend: Clark Appliance (Carlson Office
Warehouse Complex)
The applicant seeks approval for I wall sign and facade change.
The site is located at 9840 N Michigan Rd. and is zoned I -I /Industrial within the
US 421 Overlay. Filed by Reed Carlson of C C Realty Co.
Jim Zoccola, attorney, One American Square, Indianapolis, appeared before the Committee
representing the applicant. C C Realty Co. is seeking approval for one wall sign and a facade
change to accommodate Clark Appliance located at 9840 North Michigan Road within the
Carlson Office Warehouse Complex, south of Ed Martin GMC Dealership.
This evening, the focus is on the addition of a canopy above the Clark Appliance space; the
applicant will return for specific signage approval.
Department Report, Christine Barton Holmes: The petitioner is adding a custom truss system and
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and wood framing to the building, similar to that on the adjacent strip center. The materials and
colors are to match the existing building. The Committee review this evening is for the canopy
only and the Department is recommending favorable consideration.
Note: No signage is being presented at this time.
Susan Westermeier made formal motion to approve Docket No. 07050006 Clark Appliance for
the canopy change and matching materials and colors only (no signage), seconded by Wayne
Haney, Approved 4 -0.
5. Docket No. 07030006 ADLS Amend: Red Robin Clay Terrace
The applicant seeks approval for the construction of a free standing, 6,350- square
foot restaurant with outdoor seating at Clay Terrace. The site is located at the
southeast corner of 146 Street and Clay Terrace Boulevard, and is zoned PUD.
Filed by John Finnemore of Red Robin, Inc.
John Finnemore, Red Robin, Inc. appeared before the Committee representing the petitioner.
Also in attendance: Alex Kanapilly, VP of Design for Red Robin and Steve Canada, Red Robin;
Ryan Wyer, Lauth Property Group; Bill Crawford, Simon Property Group.
John Finnemore stated that there are a lot of issues with the site plan. Originally the building and
the parking lot were flipped and that brought the building closer in line with the streetscape of
Clay Terrace. The reason for flipping is that there is a considerable grade difference from the
intersection to the site and that must be maintained because of connections on the east side of the
parking lot. In addition to the grade difference, there are two petroleum lines up front that limit
what can be done near them. In order to get the parking lot at that location, we would have
needed a fairly extensive retaining wall and that would not have been permitted in the easement
area. We can still do a retaining wall, keeping it out of the easement, and have the building
forward and the parking behind. This does create an access issue to the front, but the parking lot
to the back would be utilized by the team members —staff parking as opposed to the customers.
The parking lot to the east is sized to accommodate Red Robin's use as well as DSW. Red Robin
does not need additional parking to meet the code requirements.
From an architectural standpoint, the building ties in with Clay Terrace —the tan brick proposed is
the brick that is on a number of the buildings. The marquis entrance feature was raised, the facia
is double- crowned on the top of the marquis as well as the top of the walls that are double
stacked.
The east side of the building is where the trash enclosures are located. The east side faces the
parking lot and some windows have been added. What is being presented is an up- graded version
of the proto typical Red Robin building and ties in more with the existing finishes and looks better
in the Clay Terrace setting.
Dept. Comments, Christine Barton Holmes: The primary concern is the site plan layout for a
number of reasons. No details have been submitted on the retaining wall and the Department
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would like to see the types of materials being used. There is a major grade change, and especially
with the outdoor seating, materials should be presented. There is also a concern with the site
layout —for a customer to reach the front of the restaurant, if they park on the side or even in the
back, they would have to walk past the trash enclosure to the front of the store. There is such a
grade change that the store will actually be more visible within Clay Terrace than 146 Street.
The Department is requesting that the restaurant address the balance of Clay Terrace —that may
mean slipping the building, shifting the building slightly to allow for some room on the side where
the outdoor seating is located, or a double front, even if it is a false front—something along those
lines to make it fit in more with Clay Terrace. The Department would also like to see details on
the HVAC —where that will be located and how it will be screened. The Engineering Dept. has
not yet responded to their Technical Advisory letter, so the Department cannot confirm if any of
their comments have been addressed.
At this time, the Department is recommending further discussion so that there may be some
agreement with the petitioner.
Committee Discussion ensued. Subdivision Committee member Carol Schleif joined the meeting
in progress.
Kevin Heber said it was difficult to visualize the building and asked if there was an aerial view
available. Kevin was referred to the original site plan—it did not reflect the current, proposed site
plan but would give an idea. Originally the parking was to the front and the building faced 146
Street.
Carol Schleif asked if any of the previous comments had been addressed.
John Finnemore responded in the positive—windows were added to the east side of the building
and the crown was stacked around the building.
Carol Schleif noted that signage changes had been recommended—is this a part of the proposal?
The restaurant looks like a typical Red Robin franchise such as is seen in Seattle, Washington. It
just doesn't really look like Clay Terrace. How are the words "Red Robin" integrated into the
sign?
Christine Barton Holmes referred to pictures of the proposed signage —the clarity could be
betterit is a scanning issue.
Carol Schleif commented that if the elevation of the building was modified, there would be a
recessed area where the words "Red Robin" could be placed.
John Finnemore said he had not seen any recessed signage at Clay Terrace.
Carol Schei£ We're always trying to find ways to make it fit for the next tenant and to fit in with
the current tenants, other than the architecture—it should be easy to do.
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Bill Crawford responded that one change had been made to the signage —red neon has been
changed to white tubing, and by the Sign Ordinance, we are about one -half of the normal sign
square footage for Red Robin.
Carol Schleif asked if there was any chance of getting skylights incorporated into the building.
Steve Canada responded that it was an open ceiling and there was a chance they could utilize
skylights. There is no HVAC above—it would be between the joists. The dark stucco is a
parapet wall and is taller than the HVAC equipment; the HVAC is all on one side —there is
nothing above the dining room.
Carol Schleif. Do you really need all of the parking?
Steve Canada: By our calculations, our typical restaurant is 125 seats based on average turns.
We share the same concerns regarding the parking—we don't want guests walking around the
trash, but we don't like that type of parking for our guests because there are a lot of mothers with
small children.
The pipe lines are 4.5 feet wide, but they will let you go 18 inches down. You cannot put a
building over it, but they will let you put parking over itit is the retaining wall that is a problem.
If we ever had to dig it up, it would be our cost to re- install and would impact the restaurant
wall, the lines, etc., and there is no restoration requirement.
Carol Schleif Could you use permeable pavers?
John Finnemore: Well, I don't think we would have a problem with the parking lot -it is the
retaining wall that would be necessary to get the parking lot in. The wall somewhat curves now
and would have to extend all the way almost to the right -of -way and turn and parallel 146 Street.
It is grass, and if it were paved, we would not be able to have the same type of slope. That is the
problem, we are trying to keep parking where there is less grade.
Carol Schleif I really like Clay TerraceI go there frequently —the west and south elevations are
the two most important elevations......
Steve Stromquist: We are talking about the actual building.....
Carol Schleif I guess I keep wanting the entrance to be facing at least Clay Terrace Blvd, that is
how the building should face.....either face Clay Terrace Blvd or the south parking lot area. This
is the only building in the whole area that does not face, at least, the street. It is really a four
sided building —you want it to be attractive on all four sides —and as you will notice, we have a
two -sided building.
John Finnemore: It may be a 3 t /2 sided building —you have to have dumpsters, etc., and there is
only so much you can do with the inside....there will be a patio....
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Carol Schleif: Can you get more tables in there? Four tables are not much.
Alex Kanapilly responded that there is not much room on that side and the trash dumpster is on
the other side and the approach on the trash is already difficult.
Carol Schleif You need more outdoor seating.
John Finnemore: Everyone has a patio in Clay Terrace, but none is excessively big.
Steve Stromquist said he was just at Clay Terrace today and the restaurants with outdoor seating
have a minim of six tables.
Carol Schleif. So, you have really run the numbers and you need all the parking spots?
Steve Canada responded that typically, if they run their average sales volume, yes, they would
need the spaces. The customer base is familiesa lot of kids. The peak times are 5:30 to 7:30-
8:00 PM. After 8:00 PM, it is very slow, but we max the parking out in the 5:30 to 8:00 time
frame. You don't generally feed kids 8:00 -9:00 at night.
Carol Schleif. But, how many spaces do you need, because I think the additional parking is
causing all kinds of trouble. You have lots of parking just across the way at DSW —that lot is
always vacant.
John Finnemore: Right, that lot is probably about the size of our standard lot. Most codes, we
are at about 70 stalls; we ideally like about 115.
Carol Schleif: Well, could you check and see what our code asks for, because this is different
than other places.
Steve Stromquist: I would like to address this to the folks that work for Simon and Lauth. What
did you plan on putting in this location when this went up?
Ryan Wyer, Lauth Property Group: We had always planned for a restaurant at this location as far
as use. At one time, we even had an appendage to the restaurant buildingI don't know if any of
the current Committee members were involved, but at one time, we proposed a restaurant called
Mimi's Cafe. However, because of some architectural issues that they could not conform to, the
deal went away. This site has always been viewed as a restaurant, trying to do our merchandise
mix at the center with Kincaid's, Kona, Mitchell, Ted's, the patio area with Paradise, Q'Doba, etc.
We always felt there was a need for another restaurant at the north end.
Steve Stromquist: I have no problem with it being a restaurant, it just seems that all the other
establishments that you just mentioned fit into the design element and the current proposal does
not —the restaurants mentioned fit in with the building and seem to be a natural.
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Ryan Wyer: It is certainly free standing as with Kincaid's, but it fits the architecture of the Center
as well. I know from having done other Red Robin deals around the country that they have
changed a bunch from what they typically do, and they have acknowledged that, but they knew
that going in. As to what else they might be able to do, I would have to defer to them because
they know what their people would go along withI can tell you that facing the building towards
Clay Terrace Blvd was always seen as an issue because of the grade change. There is a sidewalk
there. But even Mimi's Cafe, when we were laying it out, it was to face to the north because of
the grade change and if you had the main entrance into the building right there, it just did not
work from the pedestrian flow into the restaurant.
Carol Schleif: If you could flip it along the east /west access, with the entrance facing south, the
dumpsters would be up, away from where people would walk to the front. You can cut your
parking —there is parking right in frontI would even move the building closer to that so it
would be handier to use that parking lot.
John Finnemore: Are you saying move the dumpster to the Clay Terrace side?
Carol Schleif: No, northwest so that it faces south —that would bring your dumpster way up top
where people would not have to walk by it. It would be more pleasant or appetizing....
John Finnemore: But then it puts it along one of your busier roads (146 through town.
Steve Stromquist: I would think it would be visible—if you are talking about the grade not being
steep enough.
Carol Schleif: You are not going to see the restaurant, you will not see the front door—go look
at that site!
John Finnemore: We just drove by there this evening.....
Carol Schleif: Well, stand there if you go across 146 Street and turning left, no one ever looks
at that.
John Finnemore: We do, because that is our site!
Carol Schleif: You want people to see you and you want your name out there.....
Ryan Wyer: There is no traffic going north except what goes through Clay Terrace. So, if we
have a chance to pick up some visibility, it will be on 146 Street. Those people that are in Clay
Terrace are already there, shopping. The reason you would point your building the other
direction is hopefully to get some transient type business that might see you and want to come in.
Otherwise, people are already going to know we are there. By facing the building south, the only
traffic you will really see coming north is the Clay Terrace traffic and you have that building in
front of you on the corner, so.....
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Carol Schleif You have two facades you can do that: Clay Terrace Blvd, and if you want to be a
minor whimpey, that's fine, but your biggest bang for the buck will be the north elevation (146
Street) and that's really going to be hard for an entrance. Your entrance curves and there is not
really enough room
John Finnemore: I don't think it (the building) will fit that way
Carol Schleif Well, it won't fit rotating it 90 degrees either. You need a four -sided building. I
just think the dumpster does not belong there.
Susan Westermeier: Is your concern being seen on 146 Street?
Steve Canada: We typically for business reasons will face the main/major street.
Carol Schleif That is a 15 foot drop in grade....
Steve Canada: I don't think it is that much there....
John Finnemore: I think it would still be very visible, it is just the natural way to face the building.
Ryan Wyer, Lauth: I can tell you that everyone we have shown this site to virtually has said they
want to orient to 146 Street. I live in Carmel, I am there all of the time, and my daughter works
at one of the stores.....I think you would not be seen there—we have an issue because of the
grade change anyway —for them to have their entrance facing south, I think that hurts them.....
Susan Westermeier: What about signage? If you have signs on both sides, you would not have to
have the entrance on 146 Street, but a sign will let people know you are there.
Ryan Wyer: Signage does help, but most restaurants we do business with —they want you to be
able to see the entrance and see the parking and how you get into the restaurant. I am told that
they want that inviting to the customer so that they can readily see how to get into the restaurant.
Susan Westermeier: Well, if they are going east and they see it from 146 Street, they are going
to over -shoot the building and not be able to get into it.
Steve Canada: We are not saying they may stop that day, but we are thinking they will come back
because now they know where Red Robin is.
Susan Westermeier: If you put a sign there, the same thing is going to happen —they will read the
"Red Robin" sign.
Steve Canada: Well, the sign won't be nearly as visible at 40 square feet as the building is, I
guarantee that.
Sue Westermeier: Well, we might be able to work a compromise.
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Carol Schleif You need to fit in with the PUD and you need to fit in with the rest of the buildings
and putting the back of your building to the most visible location.....
John Finnemore: Right, but this is the back elevation of the building, it is not like it is a brick
wall. You will only see a portion of this as you are driving up because of the angle of the existing
building. Maybe we can definitely work with you to spruce up that elevation, but it is not....
Carol Schleif: It is the whole elevation; the left side is nice, the right side needs more faux
windows, some articulation--detail of some sort.
John Finnemore: We can work with this site, but it will still be a site that has a dumpster on it.
Carol Schleif. You really need to re- design the building to the site. This site is unusual and
deserves to have a total design. I see this as being like every other one I have been to —this one is
special, the site is special.
Ryan Wyer: Their architecture does actually meet the PUD as far as material changes, the same
materials we have used elsewhere in Clay Terrace, the signage size, type, look, etc. It does
actually conform to the PUD.
Carol Schleif: But it doesn't fit in the area—it is very much a Red Robin in Clay Terrace
John Finnemore: That's what we were hoping for —that was our goal!
Alex K, V -P, Red Robin: This is a very difficult site to work with, and we are doing the best that
we can—we don't quite understand, and frankly, we are somewhat dismayed.
Carol Schleif This is a plan, frankly, that you have used in a lot of sites, and it is either too big or
won't fit on this siteI think it needs some special attention.
Alex It fits fine on this site.....
John Finnemore: Yes, it fits fine with the parking lot and the "back -up" parking lot. The problem
facing south is that you drive customers to the 20 -stall parking lot.
Ryan Wyer: We would be facing the blank wall at Delia's. What I have noticed is that by
building out to the street, the visibility north will be non existent —you won't even see the front
doors!
Carol Schleif: How many of you guys live here?
Ryan Wyer: I live in ZionsvilleI have been here a million times....
Carol Schleif Then you have been on 146 Street, you turn left....
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Ryan Wyer: I have been thereI picked the site.
Carol Schleif I almost never noticed that site was there....as big as the DSW is, I never look
there and it is huge. There is plenty of room/setback on 146 Street to have a good view. I can
understand having a sign there because you want visibility, recognition, etc., but the accent should
not be on the back side of the building.
Ryan Wyer: It isn't—it is on the front!
Carol Schleif. The part you've got is completely opposite from where your parking is —you have
to walk past the dumpsters.
Steve Stromquist: The parking goes all the way up to the road, does it not?
Ryan Wyer: Yes, that is where our guests will be.
Susan Westermeier: How much parking is in the front?
John Finnemore: There are probably 125 -150 stalls. This is really where our customers will park
and with the building moved up, they will cross over the existing drive aisle.
Carol Schleif. This works much better than the one we have now.
John Finnemore: Right, but it doesn't work with the gas pipe lines and the grates —that was a
conceptual site plan. Matt Griffin had suggested flipping the building when we came in with the
original plan. The problems arose after we flipped it.
Carol Schleif: Is there any way that we could allow you to use these parking spots and not have
to do this and be able to move your building down so that you have a nice entrance —you could
do some really cool things with that.
Christine Barton Holmes: If it came to the point where you would need a variance for reduction
of parking, Staff would probably support that.
The parking situation was discussed —DSW moved their entrance to the west for parking ease,
and Circuit City also utilizes some spaces —the patio seating was discussed as well as the walk
from the parking area to the restaurant entrance.
Carol Schleif wanted to expand the outdoor seating area farther north.
John Finnemore responded that the dining room would not work on the inside if they shifted the
outdoor seating. You run into liquor problems, if you have the patio there, you cannot have a
way in/out that would get you to the patio where the liquor is being served.
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Steve Canada: Actually, we are not doing liquor any more. Our research tells us that the families
with kids do not use the patio. 53% of our business is mothers and children.
Sue Westermeier: To go with Clay Terrace and the way in which it was designed—an outdoor
life style —you could put the patio on the south end. You could go back and re -work this —you
have some good ideas —and meet some of the conditions from Engineering.
John Finnemore: We felt we were going to walk out of here with a site plan change, so if we
addressed the specific engineering questions, it would be moot points.
Susan Westermeier: That's fair, understood.
Carol Schleif: Are there any blank walls, recessed, can you get something going there?
Steve Canada: Those sketches would be no point.
Susan requested that some pictures be taken from 146 Street of what you would see in a car
what would be seen —from that perspective, more detail. Do you have any objection to a re-
design?
John Finnemore: We just lose the air spots —that is why we came to fight to get to 12 spots. If
we were in front of the Wild Oats store, we would have a real problem.
Steve Canada: DSW is very successful—we don't want to see anything else go in there because
no one uses less space than DSW when you have that many square feet.
John Finnemore said they were willing to add some benches around the curved area.
Steve Stromquist asked if they could do to the ladder what they did on Michigan Road.
John Finnemore thought it helped everyone with the West Carmel Market Place Red Robin when
they showed a perspective, landscaping, etc. We didn't necessarily think we were going to
Committee, and we had to scramble to make the filing deadline.
Steve Canada: The suggestion is to make the three sides look similar, the entry would be different
with the tower; we would add faux windows.
The petitioner agreed to return to the Special Studies Committee on June 28, 2007 with new
sketches.
6. Docket No. 07050011 ADLS Amend: Auto Outfitters Signage
The applicant seeks approval for 1 new tenant wall sign, a monument sign face
change and a new awnings with a sign. The site is located at 10560 N. Michigan
St. and is zoned I -1. Filed by Jerry Knoop of Auto Outfitters.
Jerry Knoop, Auto Outfitters, 10560 North Michigan Road appeared before the Committee
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representing the applicant. Auto Outfitters is proposing an awning to be placed on the southeast
wall facing Michigan Road with vinyl graphics on the front. Currently there is no signage on this
facade.
Auto Outfitters is also requesting approval for a wall sign for Darrings Detail on the southwest
wall facing Northwestern Drive. Currently there is no signage.
The current ground sign references only Auto Outfitters and would be re- labeled as a multi -tenant
sign with the addition of Darrings Detail below Auto Outfitters.
Department Report, Christine Barton Holmes: The Department prefers individual, illuminated
letters; the awning is acceptable. The Department is recommending positive consideration.
The committee discussed the merits of canvas versus vinyl materials for the awning. The
committee also felt that the sign would stand out more if the existing structure were painted red to
match the logo; the yellow canopy against the salmon color on the stucco finish building would
not stand out.
The petitioner responded that the building was recently painted and it was doubtful that it would
be painted again soon.
Wayne Haney made formal motion to approve Docket No. 07050011 ADLS Amend, Auto
Outfitters, seconded by Susan Westermeier. The vote was two in favor, two opposed (Heber,
Westermeier) for a no- decision vote petitioner will return to Committee on June 28, 2007.
7. Docket No. 07050010 ADLS Amend: North Meridian Medical Pavilion
Signage
The applicant seeks approval for 2 new ground signs and 3 incidental directional
signs. The site is located at 12188 N. Meridian St. and is zoned B -6.
Filed by Doug Staley, Jr. of Staley Signs, Inc.
Doug Staley, Jr., Staley Signs appeared before the Committee representing the applicant. Also in
attendance: David Campbell, Management Services, and Rich Adams, both with Lauth Property
Group.
The building located at 12188 North Meridian is currently under construction. The applicant is
requesting signage to be located in the middle of two buildings, both oriented to the south.
The signs are anodized aluminum with black copy, routed aluminum sign -face. The color will
match pre -cast; the silver ties into the building architecture, window mullions, and canopy. The
directional signs are exempt and have no internal light source. The ground monument signs are
internally lit on the copy area only.
Department Report, Rachel Boone: The directory signs will be presented at a later date. The
petitioner is allowed two ground signs per Illinois Street frontage. The Department endorses the
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white at night signage, and considers the directional signs to be tastefully done. At this time the
Department is recommending favorable consideration.
Wayne Haney made formal motion to approve Docket No. 07050010 ADLS Amend, North
Meridian Medical Pavilion Signage, seconded by Susan Westermeier, Approved 4 -0.
8. Docket No. 07050022 ADLS Amend: Radisson Hotel Signage
The applicant seeks approval for 3 new wall signs.
The site is located at 251 E. Pennsylvania St. and is zoned B -6.
Filed by Phil Barnard of Freeman Sign Company.
Phil Barnard, Freeman Signs, 7078 West Galen Drive, Avon, Indiana appeared before the
Committee representing the applicant. The applicant is seeking approval to change -out the
Wyndham signs for three new wall signs. T
The signs are flush mounted to the walls. The sign on the north elevation faces Pennsylvania
Street and is 32.84 square feet—within the Sign Ordinance. The east and west elevations face I-
465 and each sign will be 68 square feet
The signs are day /night plex and will look black during the day and white at night. A green
underscore will light up green at night. The new set of signs looks bolder, but the size is not
compromised and will balance out.
Department Report, Rachel Boone: A sign variance was initially approved for larger signs at 94
square feet; however, the applicant feels that 68 square feet is adequate. The signs can be seen fro
I -465 and Pennsylvania Street. At this time, the Department is recommending favorable
consideration.
Wayne Haney made formal motion to approve Docket No. 07050022 ADLS Amend, Radisson
Hotel Signage as presented, seconded by Susan Westermeier, Approved 4 -0.
There was no further business to come before the Committee and the meeting adjourned at 8:15
PM.
Steve Stromquist, Chairperson
Ramona Hancock, Secretary
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