HomeMy WebLinkAbout 2003.0013Department of Community Services
Property Activity Form
Full Address of Property:
TffiRD A VE SW
Date Filled: ol/31M2003
Type Of Activity:
Property Owner
Address of Activity
Mailing Address:
Phone :
Comments:
sign - monument sign at
APARTMENTS
AVE SW
Name Of Filer : ALAN POTASNIK
Address: F- - -- _
Phone: 317-679-7996
Comments:
Record Number : 2003.0013
& Range Line Road
Department of Origin: �S-CT
Letter 1 Sent : _ -
Letter 2 Sent:
Letter 3 Sent:
Date Of Update;
copy of JK response to filer in file.
01/23/2003
Same As Owner El
Keeling, Adrienne M
From: Kendall, Jeff A
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:36 PM
To: 'Alan Potasnik'
Cc: Keeling, Adrienne M; Hollibaugh, Mike P
Subject: RE: Sign Ordinance
Allan,
I have reviewed the legality of the signage you have questioned.
First of all, if the banner you point out at Indy MPH is a "grand opening" type of banner,
it is illegal due to the time constraints on that type of sign. Grand opening banners do
not require a permit, however, they may only be displayed for 14 days prior to opening and
removed seven days after the grand opening day. We will notify the owner and have it
removed.
The sign for Laser Flash does have a permit and is designed and placed according to that
permit. Signage of that type is allowed illumination that is shielded. The permit number
for that sign is S106.02.
The monument sign at 126th and Rangeline displaying Amli's name is a sign that was
commented on during the DP/ADLS for Amli's over-all approval. It is my understanding that
it is a sign controlled by the Redevelopment Commission, which will display not only Amli
but some other business's involved with City Center. It is exempt from permits and
considered the property of the City of Carmel since it is in Carmel's ROW.
The Shapiro's banner that is advertising breakfast is illegal and we will notify the owner
to have it removed.
If you have further questions please let me know. Jeff Kendall
-----Original Message -----
From: Alan Potasnik [mailto:alan@potasnik.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:39 PM
To: JKendall@ci.carmel.in.us
Cc: Jim Brainard
Subject: Sign Ordinance
Hello,
I am interested to see if the following are illegal signs under the Carmel
Sign Ordinance:
1. Amli Apartments monument sign at the corner of 126th and Rangeline Road
2. The Laser's Edge Neon Sign North of Carmel Schwinn on 3rd Avenue S.W.
3. Shapiro's Banner
4. Indy MPH? banner, in the retail center at 126th and Rangeline Road.
This has been up for at least 3 months.
I can be reached via email: alan@potasnik.com or by phone: 317-679-7996
Thanks,
Alan Potasnik
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Department of Community Services
Property Activity Form
Full Address of Property
THIRD AVE SW
Date Filled : 01/30/2003
Type Of Activity:
Record Number: 2003A013
Illegal sign - monument sign at the corner of 126th & Range Line Road
Property Owner : AMLI APARTMENTS Same As Owner
Address of Activity THIRD AVE SW
Mailing Address:
Phone:
Comments:
Name Of Filer
Address
Phone
Comments:
Letter t Sent
Letter 2 Sent:
Letter 3 Sent :
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Department of Origin: I DOCS-CT
OV22/2003
to Docket No.142-00 DP/ADIS. There was mention of the sign at
Keeling, Adrienne M
From:
Lillig, Laurence M
Sent:
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:57 AM
To:
Dobosiewicz, Jon C; Kendall, Jeff A; Hollibaugh, Mike P
Cc:
Keeling, Adrienne M
Subject:
RE: Sign Ordinance
Below is the text in the C-1/City Center District regarding Permanent Signs:
20E.07 Permanent Signs.
20E.07.01 All permanent signs in the C-1 District shall be designed and constructed in accordance with the adopted
architectural style and materials palette established for the City Center by the City of Carmel.
20E.07.02 Except as noted below, the placement and number of permanent signs shall be in accordance with the project
standards established by the City of Carmel Redevelopment Commission.
20E.07.03 All Signs must fit within the horizontal and vertical elements of the building and may not obscure details of the
building.
20E.07.04 No sign shall extend above the cornice line of the building.
Note that nowhere are signs excused from Permits or Fees. In truth, we should be collecting fees from either the
applicant or the Redevelopment Commission. The political reality is, however, that fees will not be paid. That being said,
the permits are still required.
Section 20E.07.02 can be interpreted to allow off -premise signage pursuant to CRC approval.
AMLI was approved under the original C-1 District Ordinance (tract 1 a zoned C-1/City Center on May 1, 2000, per Z-342),
which did not include the preceding Section 20E.07. Therefore, the number and type of signs were still entirely subject to
the Sign Ordinance regarding number, size, placement, etc. The adoption of Section 20E.07.02 now excuses AMLI's
permanent signs from that previous requirement.
There are no provisions in the C-1 ordinance for temporary signs.
--Original Message -----
From: Dobosiewia, Jon C
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:43 AM
To: Kendall, Jeff A; lJllig, Laurence M; Hollibaugh, Mike P
Cc: Keeling, Adrienne M
Subject: RE: Sign Ordinance
Jeff,
As I understand it, all signs within the C-1 area are under the discretion of the Redevelopment Commission. Amil
included and the property where the monument sign at the corner of City Center/126th and Range Line is located.
While I think we should be issuing a sign permit, regardless of fee this file should include a letter of grant from CRC or
Director.
Thanks,
Jon
-----Original Message -----
From: Kendall, Jeff A
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:24 AM
To: Lillig, Laurence M; Dobosiewia, Jon C
Cc: Keeling, Adrienne M
Subject: FW: Sign Ordinance
Lawrence and Jon,
After looking at Dawns response, I think there is only one sign in question considering that we have a record of
permit issuance for Laser Flash and Indy MPH and Shapiro's are obvious banner violations.
Amli came through before the establishment of the C-1 Zoning District that placed the approval process for a
DP/ADLS, in the realm of the Redevelopment Commission which then forwards the project to the Director a for
public hearing. Since this did not happen with Amli, the only record I can find is 142-00 DP/ADLS that shows a
hearing officer was involved with some action on 9/7-00. 1 am assuming that the hearing officer approved the
over-all project that day and that the signage on their site was designed and placed as approved. I doubt that the
sign Alan is asking about was a part of that original approval. That particular sign looks as if it may have room for
other businesses and is a sign that is part of City Center as a whole. If either of you know this for a fact please
confirm. Otherwise I will go to the file to get the specifics to answer Allen's question. Thanks, Jeff
-----Original Message -----
From: Pattyn, Dawn E
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:18 PM
To: Kendall, Jeff A
Cc: Lillig, Laurence M; Keeling, Adrienne M
Subject: RE: Sign Ordinance
Here is what I know.....
1. Amli Apartment signage - Jeff, I have never gotten involved with ANY SIGN PERMITS within City Center - NO
sign permits have been issued for ANY signage within City Center.
2. Laser Flash - located north of Carmel Schwinn - 611 Third Ave. S. W., sign permit
N S106.02 was issued on 7/31/2002.
3. Shapiro's - located within City Center
4. Indy MPH - I am aware that from time to time they do put up a "Grand Opening" banner that we have not
issued a permit for.
If I can be of further help, please let me know. Many thanks, Dawn
-----Original Message -----
From: Kendall, Jeff A
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:07 PM
To: Pattyn, Dawn E
Cc: Lillig, Laurence M; Keeling, Adrienne M
Subject: FW: Sign Ordinance
Dawn,
Could you check on the permit status of these signs before I investigate any further?
-----Original Message -----
From: Alan Potasnik [mailto:alan@potasnik.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:39 PM
To: JKendall@ci.carmel.in.us
Cc: Jim Brainard
Subject: Sign Ordinance
Hello,
I am interested to see if the following are illegal signs under the Carmel
Sign Ordinance:
1. Amli Apartments monument sign at the corner of 126th and Rangeline Road
2. The Laser's Edge Neon Sign North of Carmel Schwinn on 3rd Avenue S.W.
3. Shapiro's Banner
4. Indy MPH? banner, in the retail center at 126th and Rangeline Road.
This has been up for at least 3 months.
I can be reached via email: alan@potasnik.com or by phone: 317-679-7996
Thanks,
Alan Potasnik
Keeling, Adrienne M
From: Lillig, Laurence M
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:31 AM
To: Kendall, Jeff A; Dobosiewicz, Jon C
Cc: Keeling, Adrienne M
Subject: RE: Sign Ordinance
(AMLI)
TRACT 1-A
CARMEL CITY CENTER PROJECT
DOCKET No.142-00 DP/ADLS
Public Hearing Officer
September 7, 2000
The Public Hearing on Docket No. 142-00 DPIADLS, Tract 1-A of the City Center Project known as AMLI
was opened at approximately 9:00 AM on Thursday, September 07, 2000. The public hearing was held in the
Caucus Rooms of City Hall, One Civic Square, Carmel, Indiana.
In attendance: Steve Engelking, Director, Department of Community Services, Hearing Officer; John Molitor,
Carmel/Clay Plan Commission Counsel; Les Olds, Bob Doster, and Dan Moriarity, CSO Architects/Engineers;
Jim Thomas and Bruce Rigsbee, AMLI; Joe Staehler and Rick Roesch, Carmel Redevelopment Commission;
and Laurence Lillig, City Planner, Department of Community Services.
Jim Thomas, Senior Vice President of AMLI Residential Properties, appeared before the Public Hearing
Officer. AMLI is listed on the New York Stock Exchange and is a Real Estate Investment Trust headquartered
in Chicago, Illinois, with its mid -west regional headquarters in Indianapolis, Indiana.
The subject site is Tract 1-A of the Carmel City Center and was shown on a graphic layout representing the
final site plan. There has been a wetlands issue and some minor "tweaking" of the site plan to locate the drive.
The detention pond centers on the project; the City Center building is a "U" or "Omega" shape. The project is
mixed -use over all, however, Lot 1 is strictly apartments. The main community amenities, leasing office,
management office, business center ---all will be contained on the lower level of the building in the center
section, with the apartments up and around.
Renderings were shown of the wings. The elevations are essentially the same, front and back, and very
traditional. The view from City Center Drive will be the Townehomes. The tree -save areas consist of the
retention and wetlands areas intact. The drive -by view from City Center Drive will be massive trees,
townehomes back -stopped by big trees, the large City Center Building, and behind are the attached garage
buildings.
The townehomes do have 2 car, attached garages with each unit; the apartments do not.
The garage buildings are either on the ends or in the middle of the building, and the garages lead directly to the
apartments in the upper floors. There is also a pool and amenity core.
Pursuant to the Development Agreement, the signage at the parkway/boulevard entrances will be off -site in the
corner. The trash is contained in a compactor facility; there are detached garages located along the property
line that will be utilized as a screening device.
The Plan Commission made a formal request of AMLI to meet with the adjoining neighbors regarding the
screening. The primary concern is that there are some encroachments on the AMLI property by the neighbors
in the form of gardens and trees. There is some secondary growth of 10-15 year old trees that will be retained
for screening.
Members of the public were invited to speak in favor of the proposed ADLS, the following appeared.
Rick Roesch, 832 Spruce Drive, Carmel, president of the Carmel Redevelopment Commission, stated that the
Commission totally supports the proposed facility and the efforts of the AMLI group. AMLI has worked well
with the community and the Commission is in favor of the project.
Members of the public were invited to speak in opposition to the ADLS; no one appeared and the public
hearing was closed.
Laurence Lillig of the Department of Community Services commented as follows: The Plans at the DOCS
office are stamped May first --there were several comments made by the Engineering Department that need to
be addressed. If there is a more current set of plans, they are to be delivered to the Department.
Bob Doster, CSO Architects/Engineers, reported that the storm sewer is a private system. The wetlands will not
be disturbed. The Entrance now provides for 18 feet in width, rather than 17 feet as initially planned.
Laurence Lillig further commented that there is a letter on file from the Carmel Clay Schools requesting
sidewalks and asking if they will be connected to the path on City City Drive. Mr. Doster responded that there
are sidewalks between the townehomes; sidewalks have not been provided on the main road into the site.
Correspondence from Hamilton County Soil & Water indicates that their concerns have not yet been addressed
regarding the wetlands. Mr. Doster confirmed that AMLI has been working with the Army Corps of Engineers,
however, it is actually a City issue rather than AMLI. Mr. Doster thought the Soil & Water Conservation's
conditions had been met and will forward a letter to the Department from John South in confirmation.
Laurence Lillig commented that the off premise sign for this project may require a Variance, depending on its
location. John Molitor asked for more information, where the sign is located, what the agreement was in regard
to signage.
Mr. Doster stated that at this point, the Redevelopment Commission owns the property. According to the
Development Agreement, the sign is to be located in the southwest corner of City Center Drive and Range Line
Road. The property will ultimately be owned by the City and according to John Molitor, the City does not need
a Variance to put a sign on City property.
Laurence Lillig requested that AMLI submit a sign package in its final form and detail to the Department before
the signs are actually produced. The Department has a copy of a signage plan with a "Disclaimer" on the front.
Dawn Pattyn of the DOCS will be reviewing the signs. Some of the signs would not meet Carmel's Ordinance;
due to the use (multi family), specific signage will be required.
The Department is recommending favorable consideration of this project.
Steve Engelking had comments on the sign issue. If the signage does exceed that which is allowed by the
Ordinance, and the property is conveyed to AMLI and no longer owned by the City, AMLI would be required
to petition the Board of Zoning Appeals for sign variances.
John Molitor elaborated on the sign issues. If the Hearing Officer approves the design package, the approval
for the signs is not given until the signs are actually applied for and it is determined that they are within the
Sign Ordinance.
In regard to the wetlands, Joe Staehler stated that something should be forthcoming from the Corps. of
Engineers any day (this has been going on for two weeks.)
Steve Engelking asked if the exterior of all buildings were brick. Mr. Doster responded that the exterior of the
Carmel Center Buildings are all brick --the exterior of the townehomes are brick on three sides, and the exterior
of the attached garage buildings are brick on all sides of the lower level, and cementious, one-sided material
(Hardy Board) on the upper levels. The Hardy Board must be painted, but otherwise is maintenance free. It is
not vinyl.
Steve Engelking asked for clarification regarding the neighbors to the west and their concerns regarding a
buffer and the distance between the property line and the detached garages. According to Mr. Doster, the
distance between the property line and the back of the detached garages is 35 feet and it will be landscaped;
probably no berms.
Laurence Lillig asked if AMLI had received comments from the City Arborist, Scott Brewer. Mr. Dostler
responded in the affirmative. The landscape comments were in regard to the number of trees on the City's
recommended list to be planted. These are basically the same comments heard at the Technical Advisory
Committee.
Rick Roesh confirmed that this item was published in the paper, and Laurence Lillig confirmed that the DOCS
had sent out proper notification by certified mail.
Steve Engelking approved of the Development Plan/Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping and Signage,
subject to the following: supporting approval documentation from the City Engineer, and the County Soil &
Water Conservation District, and up -dated Plans, if any. It is understood that issues of signage are to go
through the permitting process.
There being no further business to come before the hearing officer, the meeting was adjourned at 9:35 AM.
Steve C. Engelking, Carmel Hearing Officer
Ramona Hancock, Secretary
-----Original Message -----
From: Kendall, Jeff A
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:24 AM
To: Lillig, Laurence M; Dobosiewia, Jon C
Cc: Keeling, Adrienne M
Subject: FW: Sign Ordinance
Lawrence and Jon,
After looking at Dawns response, I think there is only one sign in question considering that we have a record of permit
issuance for Laser Flash and Indy MPH and Shapiro's are obvious banner violations.
Amli came through before the establishment of the C-1 Zoning District that placed the approval process for a
DP/ADLS, in the realm of the Redevelopment Commission which then forwards the project to the Director a for public
hearing. Since this did not happen with Amli, the only record I can find is 142-00 DP/ADLS that shows a hearing
officer was involved with some action on 9/7-00. lam assuming that the hearing officer approved the over-all project
that day and that the signage on their site was designed and placed as approved. I doubt that the sign Alan is asking
about was a part of that original approval. That particular sign looks as if it may have room for other businesses and
is a sign that is part of City Center as a whole. If either of you know this for a fact please confirm. Otherwise I will go
to the file to get the specifics to answer Allen's question. Thanks, Jeff
-----Original Message -----
From: Pattyn, Dawn E
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:18 PM
To: Kendall, Jeff A
Cc: Lillig, Laurence M; Keeling, Adrienne M
Subject: RE: Sign Ordinance
Here is what I know.....
1. Amli Apartment signage - Jeff, I have never gotten involved with ANY SIGN PERMITS within City Center - NO sign
permits have been issued for ANY signage within City Center.
2. Laser Flash - located north of Carmel Schwinn - 611 Third Ave. S. W., sign permit
# S106.02 was issued on 7/31/2002.
3. Shapiro's - located within City Center
4. Indy MPH - I am aware that from time to time they do put up a "Grand Opening" banner that we have not issued a
permit for.
If I can be of further help, please let me know. Many thanks, Dawn
-----Original Message -----
From: Kendall, Jeff A
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:07 PM
To: Pattyn, Dawn E
Cc: Lillig, Laurence M; Keeling, Adrienne M
Subject: FW: Sign Ordinance
Dawn,
Could you check on the permit status of these signs before I investigate any further?
-----Original Message -----
From: Alan Potasnik [mailto:alan@potasnik.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:39 PM
To: JKendall@ci.carmel.in.us
Cc: Jim Brainard
Subject: Sign Ordinance
Hello,
I am interested to see if the following are illegal signs under the Carmel
Sign Ordinance:
1. Amli Apartments monument sign at the corner of 126th and Rangeline Road
2. The Laser's Edge Neon Sign North of Carmel Schwinn on 3rd Avenue S.W.
3. Shapiro's Banner
4. Indy MPH? banner, in the retail center at 126th and Rangeline Road.
This has been up for at least 3 months.
I can be reached via email: alan @ potasnik.com or by phone: 317-679-7996
Thanks,
Alan Potasnik
Keeling, Adrienne M
From: Pattyn, Dawn E
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:18 PM
To: Kendall, Jeff A
Cc: Lillig, Laurence M; Keeling, Adrienne M
Subject: RE: Sign Ordinance
Here is what I know.....
1. Amli Apartment signage - Jeff, I have never gotten involved with ANY SIGN PERMITS
within City Center - NO sign permits have been issued for ANY signage within City Center.
2. Laser Flash - located north of Carmel Schwinn - 611 Third Ave. S. W., sign permit
# S106.02 was issued on 7/31/2002.
3. Shapiro's - located within City Center
4. Indy MPH - I am aware that from time to time they do put up a "Grand Opening" banner
that we have not issued a permit for.
If I can be of further help, please let me know. Many thanks, Dawn
-----Original Message -----
From: Kendall, Jeff A
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:07 PM
To: Pattyn, Dawn E
Cc: Lillig, Laurence M; Keeling, Adrienne M
Subject: FW: Sign Ordinance
Dawn,
Could you check on the permit status of these signs before I investigate any further?
-----Original message -----
From: Alan Potasnik [mailto:alan@potasnik.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:39 PM
To: JKendall@ci.carmel.in.us
Cc: Jim Brainard
Subject: Sign Ordinance
Hello
I am interested to see if the following are illegal signs under the Carmel
Sign Ordinance:
1. Amli Apartments monument sign at the corner of 126th and Rangeline Road
2. The Laser's Edge Neon Sign North of Carmel Schwinn on 3rd Avenue S.W.
3. Shapiro's Banner
4. Indy MPH? banner, in the retail center at 126th and Rangeline Road.
This has been up for at least 3 months.
I can be reached via email: alan@potasnik.com or by phone: 317-679-7996
Thanks,
Alan Potasnik
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PROPERTY INFORMATION AND ACTIVITY TRACKING
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Sent:
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To:
Keeling, Adrienne M
Cc:
Hohlt, William G; Blanchard, Jim E; Kendall, Jeff A; Hollibaugh, Mike P
Subject:
RE: New Records
Here are the complaint numbers;
-----Original Message -----
From: Keeling, Adrienne M
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 12:33 PM
To: Tingley, Connie S
Subject: New Records
Hello,
I am interested to see if the following are illegal signs under the Carmel
Sign Ordinance:
1. Amli Apartments monument sign at the corner of 126th and Rangeline Road PARCEL:
1609360000005000 2003.0013
2. The Laser's Edge Neon Sign North of Carmel Schwinn on 3rd Avenue S.W. ADDRESS: 611
Third Ave. S. W., PARCEL: 1609360000005000 2003.0014
3. Shapiro's Banner, ADDRESS: 918 S. RANGE LINE 2003.0015
4. Indy MPH? banner, in the retail center at 126th and Rangeline Road. ADDRESS: 707 S.
RANGE LxNE 2003.0016
This has been up for at least 3 months.
I can be reached via email: alan@potasnik.com or by phone: 317-679-7996
Thanks,
Alan Potasnik
ALSO: 2003.0017
Sharyn Feuer, 733-8446, reports a possibly illegally placed satellite dish at 10838 Gettysburg Place. She thinks it is
too close to the property line.
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