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City of Carmel
CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION
AUGUST 16, 2011
Carmel City Hall, Council Chambers
One Civic Square
Carmel IN 46032
6:00 PM
Members Present: John Adams, Jay Dorman, Brad Grabow, Judy Hagan, Nick Kestner, Steve Lawson,
Kevin "Woody" Rider, Sue Westermeier, Ephraim Wilfong
Members Absent: Steve Stromquist
DOCS Staff Present: Director Michael Hollibaugh, Angie Conn, Adrienne Keeling; Legal Counsel John
Molitor
Also Present: Ramona Hancock, Plan Commission Secretary
The Minutes of the July 19, 2011 meeting were approved as submitted.
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Legal Counsel Report, John Molitor: Mr. Lewis has demolished the garage up to the set -back line•, Mr. Lewis left
the concrete pad, part of which encroaches into the setback —the court is keeping it under its jurisdiction until
removal is complete.
1. PC Resolution No. PC- 08- 16 -11: Parks Recreation Impact Fee Ratification (2012). Resolution
to implement increase in the Parks and Recreation Impact Fee and ratify the scheduled fee increase for
June 2012.
Present for Petitioner: Adrienne Keeling
Overview:
Park Impact Fee is imposed on NEW dwelling units only
Fee is calculated on new park investment planned over a number of years divided by what is
projected to be built (dwelling units) over a period of 5 to 10 years
Impact Fee Ordinance was amended in 2009 with a detailed schedule of the fees per dwelling unit
Impact Fee started out at $1,261.per new dwelling unit and increased mid -June to $1,387.
Current proposal is to review ratify the next scheduled increase to $1,526. For months 25 thru 36 of
the Ordinance, effective June 15, 2012
Council has advised the Dept to return every year to ratify the increase
Impact Fee Advisory Committee will meet Tuesday, September 06 at 5:30 PM
The fee is imposed on new construction only
Commission Members Questions /Comments
If Council determines that an increase is not warranted, does the existing fee come back to Plan Commission to
validate for another 12 months?
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Response, John Molitor: Council passed the Ordinance that set out the scheduled fee increase, but stated the
increase would be subject to ratification each year. The assumption is that if an increase is not ratified, it would
remain the same as it was the prior year. State law establishes a framework where it can be reviewed every five
years it does not set for a template for review every year. Council added the one year review requirement.
Announcements, Angie Conn: A submittal "wish list" from the North Meridian Heights Neighborhood Assoc was
distributed to each member this evening regarding Meridian and Main 11, Docket No. 11060014 DP.
H. Public Hearings:
1. Docket No. 11060014 DP: Meridian Main II
The applicant seeks development plan approval for commercial and office uses on 26.8 acres. The site
is located at 1304 W. Main St., and is zoned a mix of OM/MU Old Meridian Mixed Use on the
southern portion and B- 6/Business and US 31 Corridor Overlay Zone on the northern portion. Filed by
Jamie Browning for Meridian Heights Associates, LLC.
Present for Petitioner: Jamie Browning, developer, 1473 Prestwick Place, Carmel.
Overview:
Meridian Heights properties acquired thru assembly of approx 48 homes
43 homes have now been demolished, excepting those who chose not to move
Vacation of the roads has been requested
Seeking approval for Development Plan
Proposed Use for Bldgs 7 8 is Medical or Office
Bldg 7A, 7B, 9A 9B are two stories probably will be mixed -use with professional uses due to
its close proximity to Carmel St. Vincent's Hospital
Pennsylvania Way will be constructed thru the Meridian Heights Subdivision
The desire of all involved, including Engineering Dept is to have Pennsylvania Way traverse all the
way to Old Meridian
This development will be tied into the St. Vincent's campus
Jamie Browning stated awareness of the letter from the remaining homeowners and will try to
accommodate their requests
Public Remonstrance-- Favorable/Unfavorable:
None
Jamie Browning said he is aware of comments from Engineering, and will be addressing those comments as they
relate to public roads. There are also some drainage issues and those are being worked out with the property
next door. There are 7 homes in the northeast corner that have been somewhat isolated from the balance of the
development.
Commission Member comments:
Of the homes that are staying, where is driveway access? (Lynn Drive Sonna Drive)
What is the timing of construction? (Probably will commence in Spring of 2012)
Are there any open commitments at this time, fulfilled or unfulfilled? (No)
Any agreement with St. Christopher's Church unfulfilled at this point? (Not aware of any there
are mutual agreements and covenants the road goes thru St. Christopher's property)
Docket No. 11060014 DP, Meridian Main 11 was referred to the Subdivision Committee for further review on
Tuesday, September 06 at 6:00 PM.
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2. Docket No. 11060012 PP: Applegate Addition
The applicant seeks primary plat approval for 3 residential lots on 0.51 acres. Also, a waiver is
requested from the Subdivision Control Ordinance:
3. Docket No. 11060013 SW SCO Chptr 6.05.01: lot width at road right of way
The site is located at 130 2n Street NW, just east of the Monon Greenway. It is zoned R- 4/Residence
within the Character Subarea of the Old Town Overlay. Filed by Justin Moffett of The Old Town
Design Group
Present for Petitioner: Justin Moffett, Old Town Design Group
Overview:
Current Proposal provides for dividing the site into 3 custom home lots
Lots are 45 feet wide, fronting on Second Ave NW the Monon Trail
The rear of the lots faces east and an alley to be constructed
Upon approval, architectural landscape plans would be reviewed by DOCS planning staff thru
site design review process
Anticipated market value of the homes is between $400,000 $500,000 all three lots are sold
pending approval and recording of the Primary Plat
Approval also requested for a subdivision waiver from lot width at road right -of -way
The homes will be faced west, towards Second Ave NW the Monon Trail
Concerns of adjacent neighbors have mostly been addressed
Concerns at BZA hearing included traffic, congestion in the area, construction traffic
Petitioner has committed to put together a construction traffic management plan
Currently, house on property is abandoned overrun with weeds
Multi family use is allowed as a Special Use on this site
Current proposal is less intensive use than multi family
Alley shown on County GIS Map shows as 10 feet —in checking records, no one owns it
As a result of conversations with Engineering, petitioner will adjust the plat dedicate 20 feet of
right -of -way on the site, thereby reducing the lot depth from 165 feet to 145 feet
Petitioner committed to Engineering Dept to pave the access drive with pervious pavement surface
Petitioner has also agreed to install a privacy fence between site existing homes to the north
Public Remonstrance, Favorable:
Jeff King, 431 First Avenue NW Mr. Mrs. King think the proposal is a great concept the
lower density will be a good complement to the area
Public Hearing Closed
Dept Comments, Angie Conn:
Petitioner has responded to all Dept outstanding comments
Dept recommends suspension of Rules of Procedure vote this evening
Dept recommends a favorable vote on both items
Commission Members Comments /Questions:
What is proposed for area between alleyway and access lane to the properties? (Petitioner states the
space is right -of -way, controlled by Engineering with dedication of a greater amount of space, the risk
of impacting existing utilities is limited)
Lots sold to builders or individuals? (Petitioner has signed purchase agreements on all three lots,
contingent upon plat approval
Can construction on all 3 lots be staggered to alleviate construction parking? (Yes)
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Positive move to have all 3 homes face the Monon
Motion: Brad Grabow to suspend the Rules of Procedure seconded by Woody Rider, Approved 9-0
Motion: Brad Grabow to approve Docket No. 11060012 PP, Applegate Addition and Docket No. 11060013 SW,
SCO Chapter 6.05.01, lot width at road right -of -way; subject to all commitments made to the Board of Zoning
Appeals, seconded by Woody Rider, Approved 9 -0
4. Docket No. 11070009 CA: Yorktown Woods Commitment Amendment.
The applicant seeks approval to amend the tree preservation commitments. The site is located near
2952 Highmount Ct., and is zoned R- 1/Residential ROSO. Filed by Jason Rowley, on behalf of the
Yorktown Woods Homeowners Association.
Present for Petitioner: Jason Rowley, 2592 Highmount Court, Carmel
Overview:
Request conversion of existing tree preservation area to a recreation/gathering area
Subdivision consists of 33 lots
No area available for children to play
Existing tree preservation would still be maintained
HOA has existed for two years
Goal is to plant the trees strategically still have space for recreation
Homeowners would like a play area similar to the one in Clay Terrace
Recreation area would enhance the homes in the Subdivision
Request Amendment of commitment to allow incorporation of a recreation area into the existing tree
preservation area
Public Remonstrance- Favorable/Unfavorable
None
Public Hearing Closed
Dept Comments, Angie Conn:
Commitments made by developer were so strict that residents could not construct a play area
Dept supports this Commitment Amendment
Dept recommends suspension of Rules of Procedure favorable vote
Motion: Woody Rider to approve Docket No. 11070009 CA, Yorktown Woods Commitment Amendment,
seconded by Brad Grabow.
Motion Amended: Woody Rider The Draft of the Yorktown Woods Commitment Amendment should include
the following at the end of Clause B: "shall be allowed;" The motion, as amended, was seconded by Brad
Grabow, approved 9 -0
5. Docket No. 11070010 OA: Carmel Dr -Range Line Road Overlay Sunset Amendment. The
applicant seeks to amend Zoning Ordinance Chapter 23F Carmel Drive -Range Line Road Overlay
Zone in order to remove the sunset clause. Filed by the Carmel Department of Community Services.
Present for Petitioner: Adrienne Keeling, Dept of Community Services. Sunset Amendment is an expiration date
on a Chapter or Section of the Ordinance.
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Overview Carmel Drive -Range Line Road Overlay
When initially adopted, the entire Overlay had an expiration date set of December 2006
The Overlay has been renewed year- after -year
Sunset is now being proposed for removal and a permanent Overlay established in the Ordinance
City Council thought it best to add another year to the Ordinance concern at the time was the required
second story that added unnecessary cost to projects in a difficult or uncertain economy
This Chapter is set to expire again, and again the Dept is proposing the removal of the Sunset clause
stating that the Chapter expires December 2011 and that it will be a permanent part of the Carmel Zoning
Ordinance
The Dept feels the Overlay is an important tool for them and should be permanent
Public Remonstrance, Favorable /Unfavorable:
None
Public Hearing Closed
Dept Comments, Angie Conn:
Request suspension of the Rules of Procedure
Request forwarding to City Council with a favorable recommendation
Commission Members Comments:
To make this a blanket proposal, no matter what the use, has proven to not necessarily work
The Sunset may be at risk for remaining totally intact
The Sunset merits further review, discussion, and evaluation
Any way of knowing how many people did not build because they could not meet the standards?
The Sunset Amendment needs to be evaluated further, but maybe by City Council instead of Plan
Commission
From a design, land use, development standards perspective, it would be unfair to those developers/
owners who have been willing to share the vision of the City& fulfill the two -story requirement
Economic impact issues are for another body to take up
From a development design standpoint, the principals of the overlay remain sound
Prefer to return the Sunset Amendment to City Council
Motion: Brad Grabow to suspend the Rules of Procedure, seconded by Woody Rider, approved 9 -0
Motion: Brad Grabow to forward Docket No. 11070010 OA, Carmel Drive -Range Line Road Overlay Sunset
Amendment to the City Council with a favorable recommendation, seconded by Susan Westermeier, Approved
9 in favor, zero opposed, zero abstaining.
6. Docket No. 11070011 OA: Old Town Overlay Demolition Sunset Amendment. The applicant
seeks to amend Zoning Ordinance, Chapter 23D: Old Town District Overlay Zone in order to remove
the sunset clause on the process for demolition of Contributing Buildings in the Overlay. Filed by the
Carmel Department of Community Services.
Present for Petitioner: Adrienne Keeling, Dept of Community Services
Overview:
Ordinance applies to Demolishing Contributing Buildings within the Overlay
Sunset clause applies only to one section of the Overlay
Overlay was amended in 2008 to require Director approval to demolish structures in the entire Overlay
Along with the amendment, a Sunset Clause was added stating that the Chapter would expire
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Prior to 2008. Director approval was required to demolish structures in the Range Line sub -area along
Range Line Road Overlay
Dept is proposing deletion of the expiration date
Contributing building map included in packets and is key information
Map will probably be up -dated
Need to be mindful that the sunset will expire at end of year
Public Remonstrance/Favorable
None
Public Remonstrance/Unfavorable
Justin Moffett, co- owner, Old Town Design Group, 1132 South Range Line Road
Presently working with 20 families to build homes in Old Town Carmel in next 2 years
All these homes meet the Old Town Overlay Ordinance
Additionally, has 15 un -sold, raw lots will build more custom homes
Only 3 contributing homes were deleted to create those lots
Opposition to proposed Amendment because map is severely flawed
The Ordinance is good and will limit the demolition of homes that should be on the list; however,
The Ordinance serves as a catch -all for the staff to be responsible for filtering which homes should stay
or go
List of contributing buildings should be given more scrutiny before moving foreward
Examples given of homes that should be on the list and are not and vice -versa
40 homes on the list and not understood why; 20 homes that should be on the list and are not
More thought should be given to the list
A lot of the 40's era homes are rental properties and are not well maintained
Suggest this proposal be reviewed at Committee level request public hearing be left open
Dept response, Adrienne Keeling:
Dept is committed to revising the map
This particular section expires at year end; map may not be revised before that time frame
Process needs to continue beyond year end
Commission Members Comments /Questions:
How long ago was the map put into place?
Do houses really need to be targeted?
What criteria was used for the map?
Recommend extending for another year
It would be helpful to have addresses of properties in addition to the map
Within the next year, staff should be directed to review update the map
There are a lot of inconsistencies in the map
Adrienne Keeling Response:
Map was put into place along with the Old Town Overlay Zone
Ordinance was originally adopted in April, 2002
Specific criteria for map is unknown
Mike Hollibaugh:
Initially there was a lot -by -lot photo inventory made by the Consultant as a part of the process. Dept still has the
3 -ring binder and photos from that period, plus info on each property that could be utilized. At that time, there
was also a report done by Ball State that looked at all the properties in the Old Town area. Not everyone agreed
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as to the categorizing of buildings: historic, protection, preservation, etc. The report would also be a good
source for information on the properties in Old Town.
Further Comments, Commission Members:
Are there other alternatives besides a map?
Perhaps aspects of architectural standards can be worked into the list so that architect6ural quality
character can be maintained
Suggest a Committee be formed to look at and evaluate the houses, from a walking perspective, not by
pictures or catalogue, or driving by
What is the criteria for being on the list?
Can you make someone be on the list? (Yes)
At the time this was done, the Plan Commission pretty much relied on what the Consultant categorized as
contributing buildings
Suggestions:
Extend Sunset for another year
Staff to return next month with ideas
Form a Committee, determine number members
Committee to return perhaps March with an up -date
Ultimate Goal of Sept, 2012 is that a version that can be voted on is before Plan Commission
Possible forwarding to City Council before December 2012
Justin Moffett agreed to be a part of the proposed Committee
Motion: Woody Rider to extend the Sunset Amendment for another year and in the interim, Staff is to formulate
a Committee, determine an approach, identify contributing buildings, revise the map, and return to Plan
Commission next month with a timeline; the ultimate goal is to forward a proposal to City Council for a vote on
or before December 2012; Motion Passed 9 -0.
I. Old Business
1. Docket No. 10110012 DP /ADLS: Legacy PUD Turkey Hill
Minit Market. The appheant seeks site plan and design &"myW fff an moemebije fite! stfifieft
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fr-entyar-d building sethaek. The site is leeated at 77-29 Ed,. 1 46 th St. (at Riyer-Rd.) and is ze
J. New Business None
K. Adjournment 7:35 PM
Jay Dorman, President
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