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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes Sub 09-06-11OF CAg ity ov,,,r o a rm CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE SEPTEMBER 6, 2011 Meeting LOCATION: CAUCUS ROOMS, 2 °d FLR CARMEL CITY HALL TIME: 6:00 P.M. ONE CIVIC SQUARE (DOORS OPEN AT 5:30 P.M.) CARMEL, IN 46032 The Subdivision Committee will meet to consider the following items: The meeting began at 6:00 P.M. Representing the Committee: Brad Grabow, Chairperson; Steve Lawson; Ephraim Wilfong, John Adams Representing the Department: Angie Conn, Planner; Lisa Stewart, Recording Secretary Of Counsel: John Molitor The Subdivision Committee will meet to consider the following items: 1. Docket No. 11080005 ADLS Amend: Fifth Third Bank Signage The applicant seeks approval to update signage on and around the building to match the new branding. The site is located at 14585 Hazel Dell Pkwy. and is zoned PUD /Planned Unit Development. It is not located within any Overlay Zone. Filed by Andrew Rayner of Sign Craft Industries on behalf of the owner. Brad Grabow recused himself from item do to a conflict. John Adams acted as Chairperson. Andrew Rayner, of Sign Craft Industries presented for the petitioner. The Petitioner would like to update the signage to illustrate the change in the new branding initiated by Fifth Third Bank. It consists of two wall signs, directional sign will be replaced. The two wall signs on the north and west elevations, the north elevation with have the words Fifth Third Bank, with white individual letters and the logo will be green, with logo will be blue, white and green. For the west elevation the wall sign will only be the logo and eyebrow green. The entrance ground signs will be changed out. Wall mounted address number also be changed out with a new number. The handicapped sign is listed as 8 inches tall which is easily accessible for the customers when they come in and out of the bank. The Do Not Enter signs the petitioner has those listed as 4 inches tall, however since the Department has requested that they be reduced to 3 inches tall, this is fine. Sept. 6, 2011 Meeting Agenda Carmel Plan Commission Subd. Committee The reason the Petitioner has requested four Do Not Enter sign is to make it easy access for the customers in and out of the bank. This will help with liability issues, those four signs are necessary. The Clearance Signs, we feel that we would want those signs at each bay, so that customers will realize how tall the bay is for trucks and the cars coming in and out for confusion and for liability reasons. Lastly the ATM design is not part of this package, please disregard. Angie Conn represented the Department As far as the Handicapped Parking signs are concerned the Department requests that the Petitioner be requested to do the 6 ft. tall rather than the 8 ft. tall, however, this is a request, not a requirement. d signs, the D Regarding the Do Not Enter grounepartment feels that there are too many of them. If there are too many signs people tend to block them out, the Department asks that the height be reduced from 4 ft. to 3 ft. that is the tallest height you can have and be considered exempt from the sign ordinance. The Department also feels that there are too many Clearance signs, please reduce the number. Committee members: Reviewed where the Do Not Enter Signs are, along with the request to reduce the number of overall signs to reduce the cluttered appearance. 2. Steve Lawson made a motion to approve Docket No. 11080005 ADLS Amend: Fifth Third Bank Signage with the following conditions: The Handicap Signs be reduced from 8 ft. to 6 ft. The Do Not Enter ground signs be installed at 4 ft. not 3 ft. Replace two Do Not Enter ground signs, instead of one in front of the 4 bays Ephraim Wilfong seconded the motion Approved 3 -0 3. Docket No. 11080008 ADLS Amend: IU Health Sports Performance Signage The applicant seeks approval to replace one ground sign and add a wall sign to the building. The site is located at 1402 Chase Ct. and is zoned M -3 /Manufacturing. It is not located within any Overlay Zone. Filed by Don Miller of A Sign By Design on behalf of the owner. Don Miller presented for the Petitioner Changing out the IU Health from the former Clarian Hospital Name. It is similar to what Clarian changed out to over on Meridian Street, same type of lettering and style. The ground sign is replacing the existing ground sign; it does fall within the sign ordinance in regard to square footage and height. The colors are a dark gray, the IU university Health letters light up and IU Health LOGO. Wall sign is individual charnel letters mounted on a raceway. They are a day /night plex, dark black during the day and white illuminated at night. The raceway does match the 2 1 i Sept. 6, 2011 Meeting Agenda Carmel Plan Commission Subd. Committee building colors so that it blends in with the building Angie Conn spoke for the Department The Petitioner has addressed all of the Departments concerns so we recommend approval of this item. John Adams made a motion to approve Docket No. 11080008 ADLS Amend: IU Health Sports Performance Signage Ephraim Wilfong seconded the motion. Approved 4 -0 Docket No. 11080009 ADLS Amend: Circle K/Shell (Range Line Rd.) Signage The applicant seeks approval to place one new wall sign and one new ground sign on the property. The site is located at 545 S. Range Line Rd. and is zoned B -1. It is located within the Carmel Dr. /Range Line Rd. Overlay Zone. Filed by Ben DeHayes of Corporate ID Solutions on behalf of the owner. Ben DeHayes presented for the petitioner. Mr.DeHayes reviewed the previous meetings he had attended. These plans are much more scaled down. This has been a work in progress for some time. The first location we did receive a variance to increase the square footage of the sign from 72 inches to 84 inches, by doing so the sign has increase height below the diesel price listing and the grass which will allow for ground cover and flowers The canopy did not come up in the second BZA meeting because it was not signage it was just striping, no variances needed. This in line with what others have been allowed to do. No logos on the canopy. Ben gave a brief overview of how the property is different Circle K owns the convenience story and Shell is the tenant and the gas provider. Circle K will be moving into the whole building. This is a joint venture between two companies. On the building signage, we are proposing one 4 ff. by 4 ft sign above the front door. The fascia is currently red and the Petitioner would like to brand it with two "aimers this is a decal material over the doors. This is Circle K's branding package. Angie Conn spoke for the Department: Staff is ok with everything but the red and white stripes. Staff recommends either solid red or white on either side of the Circle K other than that we recommend that this be approved. Ben indicated that the "aimers" are very important branding characteristic for his client. He stated that he had reviewed an all white fascia, his client is not in favor. These aimers are very important to him. He submitted a compromise that had shortened "aimers" just above the door and under the canopy. The rest of the fascia would be painted white. This would not be really visible from the road, but would be seen when customers were putting in gas Sept. 6, 2011 Meeting Agenda Carmel Plan Commission Subd. Committee Committee comments: Brad Grabow stated that he very much understands how important the branding is for a company, from his experiences with his own company. He feels that the compromise should work very well, it is more naturally defined by the structure itself. It is not part of the streetscape and are unobtrusive. John Adams stated that if we go with every branding logo the City would not need regulations, so although he can see both sides of the argument, there has to be a balancing point. Agrees with Ben/Brad that this satisfies the business objectives. Pretty big improvement. Steve Lawson made a motion to approve Docket No. 11080009 ADLS Amend: Circle K/Shell (Range Line Rd.) Signage with the conditions that the aimers be place between the columns as in the compromise presented Ephraim Wilfong seconded the motion Approved: 4 -0 Docket No. 11080010 ADLS Amend: Circle K/Shell (College Ave.) Signage The applicant seeks approval to place two new wall signs and one new ground sign on the property. The site is located at 10598 College Ave. and is zoned B -1. It is located within the Home Place Business District Overlay Zone. Filed by Ben DeHayes of Corporate ID Solutions on behalf of the owner. Ben DeHayes presented for the Petitioner. This property is a little bit different from the previous property, in that the Circle K does not own the building, but is a tenant. Ben reviewed the canopy; it has the usual Shell striping. On the ground sign the station does not sell diesel so no diesel panel is required, however since this a shared property "College Crossing" the petitioner has included a panel for it. There has been a suggestion to increase the size of the panel; the client is fine with that. The sign itself is very similar to the one on Rangeline Road, but with one price panel. The wall signs, we wanted two signs larger one for each elevation. We have taken the allowable 30 sq. ft. and split it in half and were able to get sign approval on each elevation. The Petitioner would like to see the roof painted white to match the fascia to freshen it up (the green is not in the best condition) along with paint work on the brick below, and then have the logos attached to a smooth fascia. The split seam metal roof does not work well as a sign background, the Petitioner would like to place ACM product to give a smooth finish and attach the sign elements to it. An example was presented to the Committee. Angie Conn spoke for the Department: The Department is not in favor of the red and white racing stripes. The recommendation is to 4 Sept. 6, 2011 Meeting Agenda Carmel Plan Commission Subd. Committee either keep the roof green or to paint a solid white color or another compromise. If these changes are made the Department recommends that this item be given a positive recommendation. Committee Comments: Steve Lawson asked if the Petitioner is going to paint only the gas station area of the whole building. Brad Grabow indicated that the fascia on the other building is brick, although there is a defined break as the photos show. Is Subway part of the Petitioner's business? Ephraim Wilfong stated that his position is still the same as it was at the BZA hearing, and that it is important that the area has some architectural foundation. He is not in favor of painting any of the brick. In his opinion it would be better if the whole building would be left the same. He asked if the petitioner would be willing to re -brick the building to make it match with the other side of the building Mr. DeHayes stated that the Circle K is the tenant and does not own the property, so his client would not be in favor of this. He went on to say: Mr. DeHayes's client would like to upgrade this area to its branding specifications which would include painting the Circle K area of the building. He presented another example of how the building would appear. They would like to see the fascia overlaid with ACM smooth backing for the signs. He presented another example, with faded out stripes. John Adams stated he is concerned with changing only one section will put it out of balance. Brad Grabow did agree that this area of the building does look like an afterthought, unfortunately this compounds the problem rather than ameliorate it. Same with painting the brick, it would not match. The Petitioner stated that in his opinion it should be made to look like a separate portion The Committee discussed the possibility of having only the front portion of the Circle K area painted white and keeping the connecting part green with only the Circle K logo sign. The aimers would only be on the front portion of the building. It was discussed that the Petitioner had leased the building knowing the condition that it was in. We are being asked to adjust a building for the signage rather than the other way around and the Committee is not inclined to do that, although they do understand the issues of working with this property. Discussion re: only doing the painting on the front, the aimers are the most important feature to the Petitioner Steve Lawson made a motion to approve Docket No. 11080010 ADLS Amend: Circle K/Shell (College Ave.) Signage with the conditions listed On the eastern facing wall the brick will remain the same, the roof will remain the same and only the sign will change to the approved Circle K sign. On the north facing wall the brick will remain the same, the roof will remain the same but there will be a white fascia with the Circle K logo and the fade out aimers as well as the exterior pricing signs as presented. John Adams seconded the motion 5 Sept. 6, 2011 Meeting Agenda Carmel Plan Commission Subd. Committee 3 -1 (Ephraim Wilfong opposed) Docket No. 11060014 DP: Meridian Main II The applicant seeks development plan approval for commercial and office uses on 26.8 acres. The site is located at 1304 W. Main St., and is zoned a mix of OM/MU Old Meridian Mixed Use on the southern portion and B -6 /Business and US 31 Corridor Overlay Zone on the northern portion. Filed by Jamie Browning for Meridian Heights Associates, LLC. Jamie Browning presented for Meridian Heights. He gave a background and presented a photo showing the location of the property which has partial frontage on US 31. This acquisition of the property came about with purchasing of 48 homes along 131 Street, there are 7 homes that remain. The plan that has been submitted includes overall engineering for the proposed roads, utilities drainage and buildings to be considered on the site. The east/west road will extend Pennsylvania Way through the Meridian and Main project and is intended to connect this property to the St. Vincent Carmel Campus. The property is divided into B 6 on the north side of Penn Way and OM/MU on the south side of Penn Way. The proposed buildings for sites 7 and 8 includes office and medical uses, the proposed uses for the 7a, 7b, 9a and 9b include mixed -use retail and professional office uses. We have had meetings with staff and the Engineering department, and we have addressed most of the comments. Some comments are remaining with the Engineering Department which we hope to resolve in the next two weeks. Angie Conn spoke for the Department If you look at the Department Report there are a few outstanding items, a few talking points for this meeting. The Engineering Department is pretty much agreeable to the layout of the streets and the road ROW widths. The City Forester is also on board with the revised tree preservation plan and the buffer plantings. Understand that this is the development plan and each parcel will come back later for the ADLS. If we address the issues tonight, the Department does recommend that this item be forwarded to the Plan Commission with a favorable recommendation. John Adams asked if there is a revised tree preservation plan? The Petitioner stated that the tree preservation plan has not been revised from what was originally submitted, the changes that have been made relative to the plan that you have that were submitted to Planning Department reflect the roadway changes to the right of way. We also addressed comments from the adjacent neighbors regarding access specifically regarding building 6. Building 6 we addressed some set back issues, some buffer yard issues. We also addressed site access to create a cul -de -sac so that the residential access is separate from the office access and to do that we moved the building east, we modified the parking to accommodate the cul -de -sac, shifted our curb cut a little bit south and created a new curb cut off Pennsylvania Way to further differentiate and provide buffering to the residences Mr. Bowning indicated there are still some issues with the road improvements that they will be working with the Engineering Department relative to what is required next door versus what they have been asking for. We incorporated sidewalks on both sides of both the north/south roadway 31 Sept. 6, 2011 Meeting Agenda Carmel Plan Commission Subd. Committee and the east/west roadway so both of those can become public streets. We have added in the l Oft asphalt path. These are the changes that have occurred from the original packet. It was determined that Committee members had not seen these new drawings. Brad Grabow indicated that they would need to see them prior to making a recommendation to the full Plan Commission. No decision will be reached tonight. Brad then suggested that a review of the plan occur. He stated that this is a challenging site due to the dual zoning classifications and the City's desire to push buildings towards both corridors on 31 and along Main. Mr. Browning gave an overview of where the project stands. A review of roads, street parking and connectivity was held. The location and safety of the retention ponds was reviewed Although this item will return next month discussion was held regarding street issues, parking and connectivity. This issues will be further discussed when the issues when the project comes back for ADLS approval. Tree inventory is complete and has been submitted. This will be further discussed at ADLS submittal. Forester asked to add trees to buffer area. This item will be continued to the next meeting. The Committee requested to see the revised plan and tree inventory at the next meeting, October 4` It will be requested of the Plan Commission to give the Committee authority to grant final approval at the October 4` meeting so the Petitioner would not have to go back to the Plan Commission on October 18` Brad Grabo Chai an 4i� Stewart. Recording Secretary File SUBD- 2011- 0906.doc