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Home My WebLink AboutMinutes SpecStdy 11-01-114` ,N7 /HSi�nF! C C arme l NDIANP Carmel Plan Commission SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE November 1, 2011 One Civic Square Carmel IN 46032 6:00 PM Members present: Alan Potasnik, Kevin "Woody" Rider, Steve Stromquist Members Absent: Nick Kestner, Sue Westermeier DOCS Staff Present: Director Michael Hollibaugh, City Planners Angie Conn Rachel Boone; Legal Counsel John Molitor Also present: Ramona Hancock, Plan Commission Secretary The Special Studies Committee considered the following items: 1. Docket No. 11090010 ADLS Amend: Double Tree Suites Signage. The applicant seeks approval to reface two existing ground signs on the site. The site is located at 11355 N. Meridian St. and is zoned B -6 /13usiness and is located within the US 31 Overlay Zone. Filed by Holly Fisher of Creative Sign Resources on behalf of the owner. Present for Petitioner: Scott West, Creative Sign Resources Overview: Double Tree Suites by Hilton Corporate Branding Lighting to be the same only with new lamps same wattage Basically just a face change Department Comments, Rachel Boone: Sign is a face change with new design Size of sign remains same New color scheme, new branding Illumination method is the same Recommend positive consideration Note: Petitioner will paint edges of sign green Motion: Woody Rider to approve Docket No. 11090010 ADLS Amend, Double Tree Suites Signage, seconded by Alan Potasnik, Approved 3 -0 2. Docket No. 11070019 CA: The Woods at Lions Creek Commitment Amendment. The applicant seeks approval to amend the commitments for this development. The site is located near 13700 West Rd., and is zoned S- 1/Residential. Filed by Steven Hardin of Baker Daniels, LLP on behalf S: /P Minutes /SpecStudyCommitteeMinutes/PC SS ComrnitteeMinutes2011 /SS- 2011 nov01 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317 -571 2417 of Pulte Homes of Indiana, LLC. Present for Petitioner: Steve Hardin, attorney, Baker Daniels; Tony Barbee and David Compton, Pulte Homes. Overview: Woods Lions Creek originally platted as 32 lots Home -style /design was to be mid- I800/1900's homes No lots sold or homes constructed since platting Pulte plans to build homes responsive to the marketplace Petitioner has met with staff has proposed modifications to the commitments Dept Report, Angie Conn: Recommend approval conditioned upon being furnished copy of new, recorded commitments Motion: Woody Rider to TABLE Docket No. 11070019 CA to the December 6"' Committee Meeting, seconded by Alan Potasmk, Approved 3 -0. 3. Docket No. 11090004 OA: Sign Ordinance Update. The applicant seeks approval to amend Chapter 25.07: Sign Ordinance of the Zoning Ordinance in order to update and revise the regulations for signage. The applicant also seeks to update Chapter 3: Definitions, Chapter 19: B-/Business District, Chapter 20E:C -1 /City Center District, Chapter 20F:C -2 /Old Town District, Chapter 20G: OM /Old Meridian District, Chapter 23B: US Highway 31 Corridor Overlay Zone, Chapter 23C: US Highway 421 Michigan Road Corridor Overlay Zone, Chapter 23D: Old Town District Overlay Zone, Chapter 23E: Home Place District Overlay Zone; Chapter 231 Carmel Drive Range Line Road Overlay Zone, Chapter 23H: Monon Greenway Overlay Zone, Chapter 24: Development Plan and Architectural Design, Exterior Lighting, Landscaping Signage Regulations, Chapter 25: Additional Use Regulations, and Chapter 29: Administration in order to update other chapters containing sign standards. Filed by the Carmel Department of Community Services on behalf of the Carmel Plan Commission. Present for Petitioner: Rachel Boone, Dept of Community Services. Also Present: Mo Merhoff, Carmel Chamber of Commerce; Barbara Eden, Eden Designs Also present: Jack and Ila Badger Overview of proposed changes, Rachel Boone: Lots of inconsistencies within the current Sign Ordinance Technology has affected signage Marketing techniques have changed regarding signage (website, phone numbers, etc.) Definitions in the Ordinance need to be up -dated Complaints from public: Sign Ordinance is too wordy, difficult to understand, need an attorney to interpret, not user friendly Devising a visual guide for signage, a "how to," to be handed out with sign permit applications Finalizing a "list of steps" on how to obtain a sign permit for inclusion on the City website Signage in Carmel is dictated by use /activity, not zoning as in other cities Residential Housing Complex would be a new category as opposed to subdivision and multi family housing all would get the same type of signage, whether townhomes or single- family subdivision Institutional recreational uses eliminated —will be governed by type of building, not by use Special Use Use Variance Section a church would be a tenant use governed by distance from right- of-way and size of building o Institutional Uses limits sign square footage, unless there is a Special Use or Use Variance to S:/P Minutes /SpecStudyCommitteeMinutes/PC SS CommitteeMinutes2011 /SS- 2011 -nov01 2 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317 -571 -2417 override it Multi tenant building complex is currently very confusing Multi- tenant ground floor retail was meant for a strip center /retail Multi- tenant/multi -level has historically been office bldgs similar to those along Meridian Street Multi- tenant building complex signage meant to identify the complex Trying to combine existing and add a new section for multi- tenant, multi -level and mixed use, which is not previously addressed New section for multi tenant ground floor building would allow signage per the building or per tenant Multi- tenant, multi level, non retail service building, geared more toward office use, grants directory signs, wall signs Multi tenant building complex allows a complex identification sign, directory sign for upper level tenants this section would get new language as descriptive as possible to eliminate confusion Do not want to see signs in front of each tenant space on every floor of every building Window Sign provisions repetitive changed to lessen trying to make simple shorter Drive -thru menu sections currently allow one sign, 16 sq ft change would allow up to 30 sq ft for menu board and 16 sq ft for preview board —in line with the drive -thru and shielded from view o Menu board must be in character with bldg, base to match bldg Meijer Zone remains as is Real estate sign section currently gap in business area for sale or lease signs o Eliminate Overlay Section allowing more square footage Combine additional signs in residential zones for residential uses Expand permitted banners section to be more like other sections o Public Events, business opening, or interim signage pending permanent sign more concrete to support what we have been doing all along Yard Sale Open House signs examples of off premise sign Committee would like to eliminate approval requirement Miscellaneous sign types: donation drop location; large event directional signs to be addressed; special events could be approved by BPW Pole Banners along Carmel Drive Range Line Road, should be addressed in Ordinance Events for Carmel could be a category to say it goes to BPW for approval Signs on table umbrellas —limit excessive signage Sign Size Chart Eliminate ground sign height and make everything 6 ft tall unless otherwise specified Highway Sign Chart include 6 ft tall sign in the chart column May need to narrow down and define what is a sign Need to go over definition sections Rachel will bring examples of signs to next committee meeting. Rachel will also prepare a schedule of items for discussion at Committee meeting and publicize for benefit of Committee, public, and Chamber of Commerce. Meeting adjourned at 8.00 PM. Steve Str quist, Ch Irperson Ra lonaancock, ecretary S:/PlanCbmmission/ Minutes /SpecStudyCommitteeMinutes/PC SS CommitteeMinutes201 I /SS- 2011 -nov01 3 UtiE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317571 2417