HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes BZA 11-28-11Present: James Hawkins, President
Kent Broach
Earlene Plavchak
Alan Potasnik
Ephraim Wilfong
Connie Tingley, Recording Secretary
Staff members in attendance: Angie Conn, Planning Administrator
Alexia Donahue -Wold, Planning Administrator
Mike Hollibaugh, Director, Department of Community Services
Legal Counsel: John Molitor
Previous Minutes:
On a motion made by Ephraim Wilfong and seconded by James Hawkins:
The Minutes for the meeting dated September 26, 2011 were approved as circulated.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
Department Report: Angie Conn
Pointed out the email received from Judy Hagan and distributed to the Board members regarding
Items #3 -5 Meridian Mail II, Docket Nos. 11101116 V-- 11100018 V.
Staff recommended Item #1 Docket No. 11050006 UV, 3610 W. 96` St Office be withdrawn
from Agenda, due to lack of moving forward with the Petition.
Legal Report: John Molitor
Appeal has been filed against Director's decision
o Discuss options at end of this meeting to not delay Public Hearings
Action: On a motion made by James Hawkins and seconded by Kent Broach:
Item #1 Docket No. 11050006 UV, 3610 W. 96` St Office be removed from the agenda.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
Public Hearings
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Removed for Agenda by Board's vote.
3 -5. (V) Meridian Main II (former North Meridian Heights neighborhood).
The applicant seeks the following development standards variance approvals:
Docket No. 11100016 V ZO Ch. 20G.04.02.A Required on- street parking
Docket No. 11100017 V ZO Ch. 20G.05.04.b.2 Maximum 20 -ft front building
setback
Docket No. 11100018 V ZO Ch. 2.09 Required Compliance with Thoroughfare Plan
The site is located at 1304 W. Main St., and is zoned a mix of OM/MU— Old Meridian Mixed
Use on the southern portion and B -6 /Business and US 31 Overlay on the northern portion.
Filed by Mr. Jamie Browning for Meridian Heights Associates, LLC.
Present for Petitioner:
James Browning, Meridian Heights Associates, LLC
Property fronts 131 Street and U.S. 31 as part of a two -part development
Applied for and received approval for Development Plan for building plans, drainage,
road positioning and utility location
Property fronting U.S. 31 is zoned B -6 in the U.S. 31 Overlay Zone
First variance addresses property fronting 131" Street in the Old Meridian Overlay Zone
that requires on -street parking
Buckingham projects along Old Meridian have on -street parking in front of buildings
Dept. of Engineering views 131 Street as different from Old Meridian
Not a good situation for on -street parking in front of the building
Traffic on 131 Street more significant
Does not make sense to have cars trying to parallel park along 131 Street
Variance would allow flexibility in concurrence with Dept. of Engineering
Second variance is for Building 9A
Ordinance requires building to be closer to the thoroughfare /main artery going north-
south through the development
Trying to avoid having this building directly behind another building
Would like to place Building 9A further to the east to have visibility from 131 Street
Third variance is for right -of -way from property
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o Pennsylvania Way is approximately 24 feet wide
o Recently modified Thoroughfare Plan requires a 66 feet right -of -way
o In their view, the roads will never align themselves in a way that will allow for 66
feet of right -of -way to the east or to the west
o Asking to reduce the right -of -way to 50 feet
o Dept. of Engineering is in support of the proposed right -of -way
o Modification would allow for higher density in the development
Public Hearing closed.
Department Report:
Angie Conn
Graphics of street shown
Thoroughfare Plan shows 66 feet right -of -way including two 12 feet wide side paths
Petitioner is proposing one 8 feet wide path and one 5 feet wide walk
That creates a large discrepancy
Department is not in favor of the variances for the on- street parking and the right -of-
way width
Those go hand -in -hand
Department feels the Old Meridian District Master Plan adopted in 2000 is still a
viable document that promotes walkability and pedestrian friendliness
Department is in favor of the building setback
Department recommended denial of variances for on- street parking and Thoroughfare
Plan right -of way (Docket Nos. 11100016 V 11100018 V) and positive consideration of
the proposed building setback (Docket No. I1101117V).
Discussion:
Color rendering showed relationship between the two Meridian Main developments
Road has been approved and built for Meridian Main I
Two roads will connect making the two developments inter related
Right -of -way established for Meridian Main I
Trying to align the two developments
Illustrates parking in front of the buildings
However, trying to getaway from parallel parking along 131" Street
Department stated with new interchange at U.S. 31 and 131 Street, it might not be safe
for parallel parking, but definitely want parallel parking along the north/south drive
Discussed tabling the variances to work with the Department for on- street parking and
the Thoroughfare Plan
Petitioner felt they had done that
o Right -of -way came up at the Plan Commission meeting
Motion: On a motion made by James Hawkins and seconded by Ephraim Wilfong:
Docket Nos. 11100016 V through 11100018 V Meridian Main U, be tabled.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
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6 -7. (V, SU) St. Mary St. Mark Coptic Orthodox Church.
The applicant seeks the following special use development standards variance approvals for
a church:
Docket No. 11100013 SU ZO Ch. 5.02 Special Uses Religious use on
residential site
Docket No. 11100014 V ZO Ch. 5.04.01 Max. building height exceeds 35 -ft
The site is located at 12174 Shelborne Rd. It is zoned S -1 /Residence. Filed by Don Highlander
of Connecting Spaces, LLC.
Present for Petitioner:
Don Highlander, Architect with Connecting Spaces, LLC and Paul Salama, Church Board
member
Paul Salama
Coptic Orthodox Church is a Christian organization established in Alexandria, Egypt
Emphasis is family building and counseling
o Family- oriented
Encourage Youth to pursue higher education
Youth are motivated by what they have seen their parents accomplish
Building architecture is unique
Fuses indigenous Egyptian building traditions and materials with Greco -Roman
Christian Byzantine styles
Iconography also unique, focusing on religious truth and beauty
Poster presentations highlighting beliefs of church and family values
Locally involved in visiting homeless and elderly in greater Indianapolis area
Also participated in Taste of Egypt Festival with foods, activities, etc.
Music is derived from ancient Egypt
Foods are mix of traditional and Mediterranean
Believe their church would be welcome addition to the community
Don Highlander
Site is 5.5 acres
Lot coverage approximately 32 percent, under 35 percent allowed
o Approximately 10,000 square feet
Parcel is across the street from an elementary school and large single family lots
Engineering Department does not see any traffic issues
Planning 134 parking spaces
Most members will enter and leave church at different times
Sunday School after main liturgy
Light lunch is served for Youth
Will maintain Thoroughfare Plan implemented at this site
Proposing a left turn lane into the property from Shelborne
South turn only when exiting the property; no left turns
With approximately 68 percent greenspace, plenty of room for storm drainage and
required landscape buffering
Site is serviced by all utilities
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o 16 inch water main in front of property, coming from the school to the west side of
property
Plenty of water for domestic use and fire protection
Sanitary sewer has been extended north and is within 25 feet of parcel
Will be extended to the north; helping any future development
Natural gas and electric also available
Seems to be ideal site for a church
Style of the church is Coptic Orthodox which typically has towers and a dome
Dome exceeds the 35 feet height limitation
Towers are exempt from Building Code; similar to steeples
Public Hearing closed.
Department Report:
Angie Conn
Church use is complementary to residential uses as described by the Comprehensive Plan
o Recommend approval of the Special Use
Staff in favor of maximum building height
Most of the building meets 35 feet height limit
The dome will be approximately 60 feet
Building is centered on site; do not see any effect on adjacent properties
Department recommended positive consideration of both Dockets.
Discussion:
There is one tall dome, some towers and domes at the altars
Main dome in center is approximately 60 feet
Towers are like steeples
There are domes at each of the three altars; exceeding the 35 feet
Currently four domes and two towers
Variance is to approve everything above 35 feet
Building height does fall within 35 feet
Approval could be limited to design presented at this meeting
Preliminary stage; design could change
Only domes and towers could exceed 35 feet
Buildings in Egypt are stucco -look
Not planning to build out of stucco, but trying to maintain the look
Hoping to find a cut masonry
Preliminary landscape plan has been submitted
Do not have inventory of existing landscaping
Aware of buffering requirements
Plan needs more work
Have gone through TAC process
Maher Rizkalla
Current church is located at 800 E 110 Street (1 10 Street and College) since 1983
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Community is under 100 families
Plan to begin construction within one year of receiving approval
Discussion continued:
Topography is undulating
o 35 feet is measured from average
Motion: On a motion made by Alan Potasnik and seconded by James Hawkins:
Docket No. 11100013 SU, Special Use on residential site and Docket No. 11100014 V
maximum building height exceeds 35 feet with the caveat that maximum height of 35 feet
is being applied to the domes and towers as presented this evening.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
8. (SU) Carey Addition, Lot 3 Starting Line Preschool.
The applicant seeks the following special use approval:
Docket No. 11100019 SU ZO Chptr. 8.02 Special Uses, preschool on residential site.
The site is located at 110 3` Ave NE. It is zoned R- 2/Residence and lies within the Old Town
Overlay Character Subarea. Filed by Diane Atkins.
Present for Petitioner:
Diane Atkins, owner of preschool
Lost lease for current school location on Carmel Drive
Looked at various buildings for school; strip centers, office buildings, houses
This house fits the needs
Near the high school
Parking in the driveway is not a problem with only four instructors
Students are dropped off and picked up
Cars will drive down 3' Avenue, drop off and have access to other streets
Will not make any changes to outside of house
Would like to install fence in back and side yards for outdoor play areas
Remonstrance:
Pam Ocaranza, 230 1" Street NE, backyard neighbor over 20 years
Many changes for residents in Old Town
This is a neighborhood with families
School would create more noise and additional traffic, close to private homes
Enough noise and traffic every day from Carmel High School
Preschool traffic would be in between the high school and grade school traffic times
Streets are often blocked from events in Carmel Arts Design District
No one would want a playground and signs in their front yard
New Carmel distinctive style houses are being built in the area
Recently started working from home for the peace and quiet
Her office faces the back of this property
Screaming kids outside her office
Concerned about property value and future worth
Area is not zoned for business
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There is a preschool building down the street
Would need privacy fence in place of wire fence
Feels property lines are not accurate
Ms. Ocaranza's fence is within her property, not on the property line
Not much back yard for children
In her opinion, a gentleman in the neighborhood wanders the streets and could be
dangerous for children
o He has never been convicted, but there have been issues with him
Her property is the only one directly impacted; very upsetting situation
Rebuttal:
Diane Atkins:
Had looked at the former preschool at the end of 1" Street
Renovations have removed the open space on the main floor
Only one bathroom with one toilet for the whole house
Would need reconstruction
This house has open floor plan with two bathrooms on the main floor
Not putting playground equipment in yard
o Children will only be outside occasionally; 10 -15 minutes for free -play activities
Fence will be black chain link; not privacy fence
Children will use back door, therefore need fence
Children are supervised by four teachers when outside
Should not be able to hear children when they are inside
Paul Dick, 13176 Fairwood Drive, McCordsville, IN, with Colliers International
Realtor that helped locate this property
Had looked for several months for location to meet preschool image
Selected because of the commercial zoning/variance usage
Several commercial properties in area
This would be transitional use
This will not subtract from property values
Enhances properties
Soft use of this property
Property has been vacant for over one year
Someone using and maintaining property will enhance area
Small sign will enhance village concept City is seeking
Public Hearing closed.
Department Report:
Angie Conn
Site is still zoned residential
o Received Use Variance approval in 2003 for a small business use
Generally Department is in favor of this transitional use
o High school, Masonic Lodge, office building in area
Board could impose time limit to review use in a few years
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Department recommended positive consideration.
Discussion:
With two front yards, fence height would be 3'h feet
Chain link would be permitted
Large tree would remain
Petitioner would commit to no playground equipment
State guidelines would be followed for number of children
Classes start at 9:00 am with 11:30 am transition and 2:00 pm pickup
Maximum of 15 children at 2:00 pm
Landscape exists with tall trees screening neighbor
Earlene Plavchak
Concerned with use
Preschool facility available down the street that needs renovation
Main concern: 11:30 am, Monday through Friday, there could be 25 children picked
up at one time
Twenty -five cars would need to park for pickup
o Monday, Wednesday and Friday, 3 4 year olds —12 children and Monday
through Thursday, 4 5 year olds —15 children, equaling 27 children
Previous variance was approved because it was a very low impact use
Owner and possibly one employee; no customers coming and going
Remained residential in appearance
This use will change character of this area
It is not low- impact for a residential area
Chain link fence will not give any privacy; any dog could get to children through
chain links
Preschool is good but not at this location
Diane Atkins responses:
No playground or fence at location down the street, small triangle side yard
Many families have children in both classes; 12 of 15 students stay until 2:00 pm
o Could stagger start times
Was told six feet fence permitted in back yard/neighbor's side yard and three and one
half feet in south and east front yards
o Willing to install privacy fence
Sign in front of house would not be visible to Ocaranza property
Parents will not be parking
Pull up and teachers will meet children
Parents will drive off
Just like preschools at churches
Parking at Masonic Lodge and Carmel High School as well as along street would
allow parents to park and come in
Note: Masonic Lodge and Carmel High School are not preschool parking areas
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Discussion Continued:
How many occupants does Fire Code permit for this property?
o Spanish as a second language preschool gave this information
No street parking between 8:30 am and 9:30 am
o Will parents line up along the street for 9:00 am class?
Per Staff: sign plan submitted meets Old Town Overlay requirements for square footage
Property line between parcels indicated in photo
Children will be entering on other side of property
Driveway on west is double -width with covered two- garage on north side
Five cars will fit in driveway
Diane Atkins Responses
Still looking into Fire Code number per request of Fire Marshall
Line of cars with parents in the cars /not parked
Previous location has parking lot
Willing to change start times to alleviate traffic
Very narrow area; not sure any room for evergreens between the two houses
Confirmed parents drop off and teachers take children out of the car
Earlene Plavchak
Always got out of the car when dropping off her preschool -aged children, took child out
n of car seat and walked them into the building
Preschool down the street had driveway that came up to the front door so parents could
get out the car and take children into the building
Teachers cannot leave children in the building to come outside to get another child
Does not feel this is appropriate site for a preschool
Ephraim Wilfong
Not appropriate to use other properties for parking without permission
Not comfortable with Ms. Atkins not knowing maximum number of occupants to meet
Fire Code
Diane Atkins Responses
Parking outside Masonic Lodge is public parking filled with Carmel High School
students' cars
Current parents would be okay with dropping children, instead of taking siblings out
of the car when bringing in student
One teacher would be in the classroom and one greeting the students
Fire Marshall comfortable with number of students for square footage, provided they
meet State Standards for educational use
James Hawkins
Did not feel the Board had all the answers they need
If Petition denied, six -month waiting period before re- applying
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Petitioner should research Board's questions to mitigate concerns
Drop -off and pick -up
Maximum number occupants for square footage
Student/teacher ratio
Recommended tabling
Diane Atkins Responses
Felt Board's main concerns were drop -off and pick -up; willing to stagger start times of
classes
Occupancy is within Codes
Other Fire Code concern is doors opening the other way
Ephraim Wilfong
Could be Code Enforcement issue if a neighbor would complain about the traffic /parking
between 8:30 am 9:30 am
John Molitor
Did not know precise restrictions; early hours restriction is to keep high school students
from taking all available street parking
Property owners have permits for on- street parking
Masonic Lodge probably does not invite non members for parking
James Hawkins
Thought some parking permits were sold to the high school students
John Molitor
Permits could be sold for private parking permits, not public street parking
Diane Atkins Responses
Four teachers includes her; all will park in the driveway
Drop -off and pick -up will be along street
Considered circular drive
Transportation said that would cause more traffic problems
Only about 20 yards from the door to the street
Earlene Plavchak
Concerned with parking requirements for employees; lined, number, etc
Angie Conn
Different parking requirements for school versus business
Usually one space per classroom to accommodate teachers
Also, one per every six students
Old Town Overlay has fifty percent reduction of parking
Numbers are okay for parking for teachers
Parking for teachers is not an issue like the pick -up and drop -off parking
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Kent Broach
If tabled, could work with Department on staggered starting times, privacy fence to
screen neighbor's view
James Hawkins
Work with neighbor to mitigate concerns
Diane Atkins Responses
If tabled when could she come back? (next meeting January 24, 2012)
Will be out of her building December 17 with nowhere to go
Either this will work or she will be back at the drawing board
Motion: On a motion made by Alan Potasnik:
Approve Docket No. 11100019 SU, Special Uses, preschool on residential site.
Amended by Kent Broach: subject to working with the Department to resolve issues
discussed (staggered start times, compliance, screening, work with neighbor, traffic
pattern, etc.)
Earlene Plavchak did not feel Petitioner willing to work with Department on problems on her
own. Did not see point in amendment.
Motion seconded by Earlene Plavchak.
MOTION DENIED 14 (Broach favorable)
Legal Report continued:
John Molitor
Mr. Hollibaugh issued a Letter of Determination for Traditions on the Monon
Planned Unit Development on 136 Street near Monon Greenway
Various owners within the development, along with the developer, have been trying
to work with Staff regarding various issues that have come up with the Planned Unit
Development regarding infrastructure
Both sides have appealed various determinations within the letter
Appeals come to the Board of Zoning Appeals for interpretation of the Planned Unit
Development Ordinance
Appeals could consume a substantial portion of the January meeting
Issues when brought to Appeals on both sides:
Public notice to be given by suspending Article 6 of Rules of Procedure with
respect to notice:
Staff provide the public notice of both Appeals to affected property
owners, instead of both appellants providing notice
Notice would be sent by regular mail only, instead of certified mail,
because all property owners within the Planned Unit Development are
already aware of the appeals
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Does not feel Appeals affect adjacent property owners; they would not
need notice
Excessive amount of time may be needed for these Appeals; may want to consider
special meeting date
Pre hearing conference will be called between the sides to discuss procedural
issues
Expert witnesses at the hearing
Cross examination of the witnesses
Time allotted to both sides
Discussion:
Staff would be responsible for posting signage for the meeting
Does not impact adjacent neighbors; only property owners within development
Landscape requirements
Proper installation of driveways
Gutters, etc
Related to Building Code and quality issues
Process has been going on between Pulte, the neighborhood and the Department for
over a year
Internal dispute the Department has tried to mediate and enforce
Number of issues have been resolved
Both sides are not happy; HOA and Pulte
No external complaints
Leppert Funeral Home may be only property affected by PUD and overflow
parking
Probably not worth trouble of trying to get the appellants to reimburse City for notices
Board could decide to notice surrounding property owners
o Notice rules are set out in BZA Rules of Procedure
o Need to meet 10 days State requirement
Special pre- meeting may be needed for BZA Board to go over the PUD to minimize time
and set ground rules
o Could cover issues regarding ground rules, special witnesses, time limits, etc. at
regular January 24 meeting and schedule special meeting at a later date
Motion: On a motion made by James Hawkins and seconded by Ephraim Wilfong:
To suspend Article 6 of the Rules, granting the Staff provide the public notice through
regular mail to residents or occupants within the PUD.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
Action: Staff will poll Board members for date for special meeting.
Adjournment
Motion: On a motion made by James Hawkins and seconded by Earlene Plavchak:
The Meeting be adjourned.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
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The meeting adjourned at 7:50 PM.
Filename: 20111128, doe
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