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Home My WebLink AboutCorrespondenceJUL. 12, 2004 12'27PM NELSON FRANKENBERGER NO, 0122 P, 1 NELSON & FRANKENBEROER A PROFESSIONAL CORPO~TION ATTORNEYS AT LAW JAMES I. NELSON CRAR~$ D. FRANKBNBEROER ~AMES E. SlIINAVER LARRY J. KEMP~ IOHN B. PLATT OF COUNSEL July 12, 2O04 EAST 98'Iii STRI~I3T SUITt lv0 INDIAH~OL~, INDIANA 46280 317-844-0106 FAX: 317.8~647~2 V rACSIMILE: 571-2426 -- q j2'~' Jon Dobosicwicz Carmel Dept. of Comm~ty S,rviccs One Civic Squar~ Carmel, IN 46032 Hilton Garden Inn- Meridian Hotel Partners, LLC- Sign Variance Application Dear Jon: Enclosed is the om. ail message Tim Dora sent to Mike Hollibaugh to eonfmn the measurements of the signs, Please review this e-mail and confizm for me whether or not Tim Dora's understanding is correct. Also, plcas~ advise me as to the sta~ of the hearing officer and what we need to do to bo on tho heating officer's agenda If I need to m-notice, I can do that. That,s again for your help. Very truly yours, JES/jlw Enclosure NE~ON & FRANKENBEROER I-I:X. II~t~aa~)obosiovioz Itt 071204.d0¢ JUL, 12, 2004 12'27PM NELSON FRANKENBERGER NO, 0122 P, 2 NELSON & FRANKENBERGER A PROFESSIONAL CORPO~TION ATTOKNEYS AT LAW JAMBS L NELSON CttARLES D, FRANK_ENBBRGlgR lAMES E. SI4]~AVER LARRY J. KI~MPF. R OF COUNSEL JANE Bo MBRRILL 310.~ EAST 98T1'I STREET SUITE 1'70 INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA 46280 317,.8a4.,0100 FAX: 317-$~6-8782 ;[une 30, 2004 VIA FACSIMILE: 571-2417 Mike Hollibaugh Carmel Dept. of Commu~ty Services One Civic Square Carmel, IN 46032 Hilton Oarden Inn - Meridian Hotel Partners, LLC - Sign Variance Application Tim Dora E-Mail Messag~ Dear Mike: Thank you, again, for speaking to me on Tuesday, June 29, 2004, regarding the above. Enclosed please fred a copy of the e-mail message Tim Dora attempted to send to you. Please review the message and contact me to discuss your thoughts. I want to make sure that we are all on the same page regarding how we are measuring the permitted size of the wall sign and the building frontages. Thanks, again. Very truly yours, Es61 v Enclosure NELSON & FRA~~ERGF, R Shinawr H:~Janct~ora~-Ioih'baugh Itt 063004.doc JUL 12 2004. 12'27PM NELSON FRANKENBERGER NO. 0122 ]:,aPg~, ~o~'2 Jim Shinaver From: Jim Shinaver Sent: Tuesday. June 29, 2004 2:49 PM To'. 'MHollibaugh@ci.carmel.in.us' Subject: FW: Meeting w/Mike Hollibaugh Mike - I am trying to send this to you again. Jim Please note new address James E. Shinaver Nelson & Frankenberger 3105 E. 98th Street, Suite 170 Indianapolis, In. 46280 ph. 317/844-0106 fax 317/846-8782 .... Original Message---- From.' Tim Dora [mailto:TDora@DoraHo~eb.¢om] Sent; Monday, .June 07~ 200q 5; 1.7 PM To-' .Jim Shinaver; Bob Dora~ 'Melissa Puischer Nash' Subject; I=W: Meeting w/Mike Hollibaugh From: Tim Dora [maiito:TDora@DoraHol;els,com] Sent: Monday, .June 07, 200~ 5:17 PM To.' Mike Hollibaugh (HHollibaugh~ci.carmel.in.us) Subject-' FW: MeeUng w/Mike Hollibaugh Mike, Please look this over and let me know if you agree with my explanation. ! am sending it to Jim Shinaver. If it looks ok, would you forward it to Jon Dobosiewicz and anyone elsa in your office that should know what we discussed? Thank you very much for you help. I think you will be very proud to have the hotel in Carmel. Let me know if them is anything else I need to provide. Jim will be submitting the variance requests by Friday. Please keep us in mind on the City Center project. Thanks again, Tim From: ~m Dora [mailto:'rDora~DoraHobels,com] Sent; Monday, 3une 07, 2004 ~;;1.3 PM Ts= 'jims@nf-law.com' Subject.' Meeting w/Mike Hollibaugh Jim, I reviewed my files on the HGI Carmel this rooming before leaving to meet with Mike Hoilibaugh. When we originally were planning this hotel I used Collins Signs to prepare the sign elevations for the hotel. I actually purchased the signs from Pemona, Inc. Upon reviewing the purchase contract for the actual signage I noticed that the dimensions of the signs were 23' 9" long and a height of 5" 51/2". The total square footage is approximately 130 square feet. The Collins sign elevation had indicated 174 square feet primarily because to the seperation between the words Hilton and Garden inn. Therefore, the correct square footage of both signs is 130 square feet. 6/29104 JUL, 12, 2004.12'28PM NELSON FRANKENBERGER NO, 0122 I made the mistake of using the square footage calculation from the Collins calculation when I completed the sign I permit application. I have asked Persona te prepare new elevations reflecting the correct square footage and hope to have those elevations no la,er then Thursday morning in order to meet our filing deadline on Friday. By reviewing the Carmel City Code, Chapter 10: Zoning & Subdivisions I have a good understanding of our current situation. We have two signs. One on the north side facing Main Street and one on the south side which does not face a Street. We are entitled to three signs, One on the north side, one on the west side and one on the east side, The east side will be served by a ground sign that I will take through the appoval process myself. It will not need any variance because it meets current requirements. The issue is with the wall mounted signs facing north and south. Lets consider the north sign. In the Carmel zoning ordinance, Sign Char B: Freeway, we fall in the 200 feet and under category in distance from of sign from street. Cur building frontage facing north consists of two elements. First the hotel building which is 65' 10" wide. The pavilion building also faces [he north and ts 6§' 11" wide. There is some uncertainty as to weather the pavillion should be included in the calculation. I feel that it should. If it is not considered in the overall width calculation I would think that the pavillion building would be eligible for signs of its own. Perhaps adve~sing the restaurant and lounge. We would like to include that dimension in the overall width calculation and we end up with a total width of 131' 9". That puts us in the category which allows a 75 square foot maximim area. We have ~30 square feet, We are asking for a variance from 75' to 130'. If we replace the existing sign with a smaller sign that meets the square footage requirement we will have to buy sign letters that are 18" tall rather than the 36" letters that currently exist. Since the "Hilton" leffers must be smaller than the "Garden Inn" letters to meet Hilton's logo requirements, we would have a new problem. The smallest size of illuminated channel letter that is available is an ~ 8" leffer. Them is a limit to how small the bends in the neon can be made inside the channel. When a sign gets that small the word "Hilton" must be produced in a single face illuminated sign. A good example of this is the "Marr[ott" sign on the Springhill Suites hotel in Carmel, I personally fee] that this type of sign looks cheap and ! would prefer not to use it. Mr, Hollibaugh agreed with my analysis and voiced support for maintaining the existing sign. In regards to the South sign. This sign was originally planned for ~e west side of the building which has a total frontage of 26:2' 1". This places us in the over 250' category and allows a 120 square foot sign. We are requesting a variance to move this sign to the south side of the building rather than have a sign facing west. We are requesting a variance to exceed the limit by 10 square feet, If we are required to install a smaller sign we face the same problem as the north sign, We would have to replace the illuminated channel ieffers which spell "Hilton" with a cheap looking single-face Illumine[ed sign, These signs are less expensive but they do not look as nice. Mr. Hollibaugh agreed with my analysis and again voiced support for our plan. Hopefully, we can submit the plans for the exisiting signage using the explanation I have just presented. Mr. Ho[libaugh indicated that he would support this plan. Mr. Hollibaugh also mentioned that he would contact Jon Dobosiewicz and advise him of our conversation so that everyone knew what the plan was when we go to committee. I hope this clarifies your understanding of our situation. I am gathering the documents you have requested and will be providing them to you shortly. Please call me on my cell (317-201-0088) if you have any questions. Thank you, Tim Timothy J. Dora Dora Brothers Hospitality Corp. 9904 North by Northeast Blvd. Fishers, Indiana 46038 Phone 317-577-8888 Fax 317-577-8466 e-mail td0ra@dorah0,tel$,com www,dorahotels .~:g.~__ 6129/04 Meridian Hotel Partners, LLC May 24, 200,~ Pamela Babbitt City of Carmel One Civic Square Carmel, Indi. ana 46032 RE: Hilton Garden Inn Docket No. 04050004 ADLS Amend Dear Para, I received your e-mail of May 10, 2004 regarding the ADLS amendment for the Hilton Garden, Inn in Cannel. I understand that we are on the agenda of the Thursday, lunc 1, 2004 meeting of the Plan Commission Special Studies Committee. Our attorney, lira Nelson, originally did this work and he h~ ju,t remm~ from. Flofids for the summer. I hereby request that our petition be moved to the July 6t~ meeting agenda in order to give us more time to be b~¢r prepped for the meeting. I hope that this meets with your approval, Please contact me if you have any questions. 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