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CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION
MAY 15, 2012
City Hall Council Chambers, 2nd Floor
1 Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
6:00 PM
Members present: John Adams, Jay Dorman, Brad Grabow, Nick Kestner, Joshua Kirsh, Steve Lawson,
Alan Potasnik, Kevin "Woody" Rider, Steve Stromquist, Sue Westermeier, Ephraim Wilfong
DOCS Staff Present: Director Michael Hollibaugh, Planning Administrator Angie Conn; Legal Counsel
John Molitor
Also Present: Ramona Hancock, Plan Commission Secretary
The minutes of the April 17, 2012 meeting were approved with minor correction.
Legal Counsel Report, John Molitor: Probably will be an up -date soon on the pending litigation.
Department Announcements, Angie Conn: Public Notice for The Overlook at Legacy (Legacy PUD) and
The Meadows at Legacy (Legacy PUD), was three days late being published in the newspaper. The
Commission must vote to suspend its Rules of Procedure to hear these items this evening.
H. Public Hearings
1. Docket No. 12040016 Z: The Lakes at Towne Road III PUD Rezone.
2. WITHDRAWN:
3.
The applicant seeks approval to rezone 9.6 acres to PUD/Planned Unit Development for single family
residential uses on 12 lots. The site is located at 13336 Towne Rd. It is currently zoned S- 1/Residence.
Filed by Jim Shields of Weihe Engineers, for Indiana Land Development Corp.
Present for Petitioner: Leo Dierckman, Indiana Land Development Corp.; Jim Shields, Weihe Engineers
Overview:
Site is located at 13336 Towne Road
Lake has been re- located to accommodate the neighbors
Preserving trees to the greatest extent possible
Re- locating the lake also provides a buffer for the neighbors along the west side
Lot lines are matched with the lot lines to the north
Lakes at Towne Road has a density of 1.34; acres moving toward The Lakes at Hayden Run, the density
computes to 1.37 acres; to the south of the site is open space 30 acres of undeveloped land zoned S -1
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Entrance will be off Towne Road
Development will have 6 lots on Alexandra Road and 6 directly across the street total of 12 lots
The development will connect to a stub street that goes to The Lakes; that will alleviate traffic
The lake will manage the drainage issues on the site
Total density on the site is 1.25 acres
Open space on the site computes to 44% and exceeds the Open Space Requirement
Homes to be constructed will be equal to or greater than size, quality, and price of existing homes to the
north
Petitioner request suspension of the Rules of Procedure and a vote this evening
Public Remonstrance/Favorable:
Marilyn Anderson, Shelborne Court, representing CWIC -2 willing to accept the PUD for several
reasons: Lakes at Towne Road III is actually an extension of an existing subdivision, and the density is
slightly less; the lot sizes will match or exceed the lot sizes of the abutting neighbors; the developer is
setting aside a significant amount of open space (44 that will not be developed; the impact from the
PUD will be minimal, even with the density increase, because it is under 10 acres; abutting neighbors
have communicated an overall acceptance with the proposal. Overall, CWIC -2 is satisfied.
Tyrone Thomas, 2559 Milano Drive, President, Lakes at Towne Road HOA. The HOA is in favor of the
proposal, however they do have a concern with the stub road to the undeveloped 30 acres. The neighbors
would prefer a walking path and not a road, due to increased traffic and safety issues.
Public Hearing Closed
Rebuttal, Leo Dierckman: The stub road is simply a requirement of the City. In the event the project to the south
develops, it might be possible to change the PUD to eliminate the stub road -if development of the 30 acres
occurs before the petitioner starts construction.
Dept Report, Angie Conn:
Proposed development is low in density
Dept is in support of PUD being voted on this eve
Dept requests suspension of the Rules of Procedure in order to vote
Dept recommends favorable consideration to the City Council
Commission Members Comments:
Kudos to the petitioner for working with the residents
Good to minimize the density rather than maximizing
Mailboxes street signage how will those be addressed?
Any other option for the stub?
Dept Response: Only other option for the stub is if the petitioner would plat the road right -of -way but not
actually build the street; ultimately the City Ordinance does require the connection
Motion: Woody Rider to suspend the Rules of Procedure, seconded by Joshua Kirsh, approved 11 -0
Note: Petitioner commits to match mailbox design with those to the north, Lakes at Towne Road, as well as the
street signage; commitment will be included in the PUD prior to going to City Council. Street lighting will be
pursuant to zoning requirements.
Motion: Woody Rider to forward Document No. 12040016 Z, The Lakes at Towne Road III PUD Rezone to the
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City Council with a positive recommendation; seconded by Joshua Kirsh, approved 11 -0
4. Docket No. 12030017 PP: The Overlook at Legacy (Legacy PUD).
The applicant seeks primary plat approval for 31 lots on 25.23 acres. The site is located at the southeast
corner of Community Dr. and future Cherry Creek Blvd. It is zoned PUD/Planned Unit
Development. Filed by Tim Walter of Platinum Properties, LLC.
Motion: Woody Rider to suspend the Rules of Procedure in order to hear items 4, 5, and 6 this evening,
seconded by John Adams, approved 9 in favor, two opposed (Potasnik, Stromquist)
Present for Petitioner: Jon Dobosiewicz, Land Use Professional with Nelson and Frankenberger, on behalf of
Platinum Properties. Also in attendance: Paul Rioux and Tim Walter, Platinum Properties, Brett Huff,
Stoeppelwerth Associates, Project Engiineer; and Charlie Frankenberger, Nelson and Frankenberger.
Overview:
Legacy is a mixed -use, Planned Unit Development enacted by City Council in 2007
Developments surrounding the Legacy:
o To the north, an apartment community, Lockhaven Subdivision
o To the east, White River Fishers, residential development
o To the south, Prairie Trace Elementary School along River Road Haverstick Subdivision
o To the west is existing Cherry Creek Estates Cherry Tree Grove Subdivisions
Overlook at Legacy site comprises 25 acres in the neighborhood residential use block
The Legacy is dissected by two primary roadways: north/south Community Drive, connecting 146
Street to River Road, and Cherry Creek Blvd, east/west, which connects the existing portion of Cherry
Creek Blvd over to River Road
Overlook at Legacy is bound on south east by River Road; along the north by the future extension of
Cherry Creek Blvd, and on the west by the extension of Community Drive
Overlook at Legacy will be developed by constructing a 31 -lot, single family subdivision
Two approvals are required by developing the Overlook at Legacy:
o Plat approval by the Plan Commission
o Secondary Plat Construction Plan approval administered by the Dept of Community Services
Site Access via two planned cuts at Community Drive and the future extension of Cherry Creek Blvd
House fronts will face Cherry Creek Blvd Community Drive along a frontage place that runs the
extent of the lot frontages off -set from the primary roadways. Driveways will connect to the frontage
road and not have individual access points
Legacy will be developed in two phases; first phase consists of 13 lots fronting Community Drive, and
large common area
Landscaping is in full compliance with the PUD approved by the Urban Forester
Several sidewalks paths will be provided for connectivity to River Road Community Drive, Cherry
Creek Blvd, and the Legacy common areas
Site lighting proposed signage is in compliance with the Legacy standards and consistent throughout
the residential areas of the Legacy
Staff has recommended approve; in light of no issues, the petitioner requests Primary Plat approval this
evening
Remonstrance /General Public/Unfavorable:
Andrea Osborne, 14111 Plantation Wood Lane, Haverstick Subdivision, requested information regarding
prices of the homes
Nancy Thomas, Arcadian Circle, Cherry Creek Estates, asked if this is the same approval for the same
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land that was initially approved in 2007
Ida Mae Hanson, 13955 Settlers Ridge Trail. Will anything be done to up -grade River Road which is
already in poor condition?
Response, Jon Dobosiewicz: Cherry Creek Blvd will be extended in phases; at the same time Overlook Drive is
being constructed, after Community Drive section is connected to 146 Street to the north to River Road. The
subject this evening is 25 acres of the 500 acre PUD. The uses are permitted under the development approval
that conforms to the zoning approved in 2007. The CCRC retirement community was approved, but never moved
forward for construction. It is anticipated that the homes constructed will range in price from $375,000 to
$450,000
Director Michael Hollibaugh responded to the question regarding River Road As part of the Council's approval
of the PUD, there was also TIF money included that will result in River Road being improved. It is uncertain
where this is in the timing and scheme of things. It will be a seamless improvement from 146 Street to where
the boulevard ends today.
Clarification: What is being asked for this evening does not necessarily trigger improvements to River Road; it
will be geared to the masses.
Public Hearing Closed.
Dept Report, Angie Conn:
Dept Staff has reviewed the Primary Plat against the development regulations for the PUD Ordinance and
feels that it does comply with the Ordinance as well as development design standards
Dept recommends suspending the Rules of Procedure and approving this item
Commission Members' Comments /Question s:
Concern with developing and then building infrastructure
Request path along River Road be constructed
Request path be constructed on one side of Community Drive instead of sidewalk on both sides
Request path be constructed NOW rather than some future date
What was the plan for this area before?
Are there plans for construction traffic? (Response, Jon Dobosiewicz: There is no commitment
regarding construction traffic that is attached to the PUD)
What are the plans for addressing private versus public streets? (Response, Jon Dobosiewicz. That is in
regard to the frontage drive that exists outside Cherry Creek Blvd Community Drive. As initially filed
and planned, it was a private street to be maintained by the individual HOA and complied with the
requirements in the PUD as a private street the Engineering Dept's preference is that this would be in
the public right -of -way and termed a "Frontage Place." One of the standards is that it requires maximum
distance of 600 feet. Though private and maintained by The Legacy, the Engineering Department's
preference is that it would be a public street. The private street conforms with the requirements of the
PUD; if the Engineering Dept requires that the street be public, the developer is willing and glad to see
that done either way. If Plan Commission approves the plat, it will be consenting to the excess of 600
feet in length of the Frontage Place in the public right -of -way. If not, it will be maintained as private by
the HOA and comply with the standards of the PUD. It is an issue brought up by Engineering.)
Right in/right out access onto Cherry Creek? (Yes)
Will trees be installed between the Frontage Road and Community Drive Cherry Creek Blvd? (Yes)
Why is the Staff recommending suspension of the Rules of Procedure when there is remonstrance rather
than forwarding this item to Committee for review?
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How many acres of useable parkland does this space have?
Construction sequence? (completion of Community Drive then addition of the first 13 -14 homes that run
north/south; followed by completion of the east/west extension and install the other homes 2 phases?
(Yes, the homes that face the extension of Cherry Creek Blvd would not be constructed until the
extension was completed and connected to River Road construction of the homes will be market driven
Would the landscaping in the central area be completed in first phase or second? (First Phase)
Same types of homes as in The Meadows at Legacy? (Homes will be different and construct4ed by a
different builder)
Outstanding Engineering Concerns to be addressed Administratively by Engineering? (Yes)
Dept Response, Angie Conn:
This is looked at as a preliminary plat and it meets design development requirements of the PUD
Most of the Engineering Dept comments apply to the secondary plat construction documents —all
administrative review approval
If Plan Commission wishes, it can be sent to Committee
Motion: Woody Rider to suspend the Rules of Procedure, seconded by John Adams. The vote was 6 in favor, 5
opposed (Potasnik, Dorman, Stromquist, Westermeier, Kestner) MOTION DENIED
Motion, Jay Dorman to grant the Committee final voting authority on Docket No. 12030017 PP, The Overlook at
Legacy (Legacy PUD seconded by Woody Rider, APPROVED 11 -0
Docket No. 12030017 PP, The Overlook at Legacy (Legacy PUD) will be heard at Subdivision Committee on
June 5, 2012 at 6:00 PM in the Caucus Rooms at Carmel City Hall.
5. Docket No. 12030019 PP: The Meadows at Legacy (Legacy PUD).
The applicant seeks primary plat approval for 148 lots on 59.89 acres. The petitioner also seeks the
following zoning waiver request:
6. Docket No. 12040003 ZW PUD Z- 501 -07, Exhibit 8 Architectural Standards /garage setback
from front facade of dwelling. The site is located at the southwest corner of Community Dr. and future
Cherry Creek Blvd. It is zoned PUD/Planned Unit Development. Filed by Tim Walter of Platinum
Properties, LLC.
Note: Items 5 and 6 were heard together.
Present for Petitioner: Jon Dobosiewicz, Land Use Professional with Nelson Frankenberger; Charlie
Frankenberger, Nelson Frankenberger Also present: Alan Goldsticker, Ryland Homes; Paul Rioux Tim
Walter, Platinum Properties; Brett Huff, Project Engineer with Stoeppelwerth Assoc.
Overview:
The Meadows at Legacy (Legacy PUD) consists of 60 acres west of Community Drive
Situated on the east side of Community Drive and south side of Cherry Creek Boulevard extension
Meadows is adjacent to the south by Prairie Trace School sections to the west by the Haverstick
neighborhood
Proposal is for construction of 148 -lot, single family, residential subdivision
Approvals required for this development:
o Primary Plat Zoning Waiver
o Secondary Plat Construction Approval by DOCS Engineering respectively
Access to site off Community Drive future extensions of Cherry Creek Blvd
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First Section comprises 32 lots adjacent to Community Drive
Site landscaping plan is in full compliance has been approved by the Urban Forester
Sidewalks pathways provide connectivity to River Road, Community Drive Cherry Creek Blvd
Pathways sidewalks proposed are in conformance with the requirements of the PUD
Site lighting and Site Signage is in full conformance with the PUD
Zoning waiver pertains to garages which face the street found in Exhibit A to The Legacy PUD
Architectural designs fully comply with other architectural standards included in The Legacy Ordinance
Based upon prior recommendation for The Overlook, the petitioner is requesting final action at the
Committee level on June 5, 2012
Public Remonstrance:
Nancy Thomas, 14207 Arcadian Circle, requested clarification of the zoning waiver
Jon Dobosiewucz explained the zoning waiver requested, and that it pertains to homes that face the street.
Exhibit A of the PUD provides for homes to be recessed at least three (3) feet back from the primary front facade.
The proposed homes have garages that are recessed less than three (3) feet an vary in relation to the front facade,
depending on their architectural style.
Andrea Osborne, 14111 Plantation Wood Lane, asked about a pathway, since there are so many runners
and cyclists in the area; also, would there be some assurance that the construction traffic will not be
disruptive and dangerous to Prairie Trace School children? There is concern regarding the wildlife in the
woods behind Ms. Osborne's property —will there be a significant barrier? How far will the homes on
the back lots be from the woods and will the HOA be responsible for damage to homes caused by falling
trees?
Public Hearing Closed
Response, Jon Dobosiewicz: As proposed, the asphalt along River Road would be constructed between Cherry
Creek Blvd and Community Drive at the time River Road is improved, not at the phase of development this is
under. The plan calls for pathway connections within the common area that extends from the segment at
Community Drive to the corner of the development and will serve the same purpose as the path along River Rd.
There will be significant improvements to River Road requiring the removal of a path that would be constructed
at this time, only to be torn out at a future date with improvements to River Rd. When Community Drive is
extended from its current termination, it will have sidewalks connected on either side and the public will be able
to walk to 146 Street by traveling the connections on Community Drive. The developer will connect the
sidewalk to the front of the school.
There is an existing, black, chain -link fence that runs along the perimeter with the school regarding
displacement of wildlife, there is no specific provision being proposed that would address that the wildlife will
take its place in the open areas, closer to White River and within the woods.
There is no specific answer to the falling trees question, but the inclination is that the HOA would not be
responsible.
The homes meet the required setbacks, and those homes adjacent to the woods are larger than the remainder.
These homes fall within the suburban residential block of the PUD which requires those homes and lots to be
larger within the development to be consistent with the homes approved to the north in the Ridge area. At the
time of the rezone, there was a change that occurred to the PUD whereby it was indicated to the residents of
Haverstick that those lots adjacent or abutting would be larger lots conforming with the standards in the PUD for
the suburban residential rather than the smaller lots.
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If there is infrastructure planned at the rear of the lots that would potentially impact specimen or larger growth
trees, preservation measures will be observed. Normally, a site inspection is done by the Urban Forester prior to
construction and tree protection locations are determined. A 15 -foot tree preservation area is provided along the
rear of the lots adjacent to the woods. Typically nothing is removed from the area unless it is deemed a hazard by
the Urban Forester.
There was a question regarding the path and the sidewalk location and width this will be reviewed further at
Conunittee
There were also questions regarding the construction sequence.
Tim Walter, Platinum Properties, stated that Section III would not be built until the segment of Cherry Creek
Blvd over to the open section is constructed. It is difficult to know whether or not construction would occur at
the same time as The Overlook because it is market- driven. The first phase would be from the roundabout at
Cherry Creek Blvd, south to River Road; second phase would be the lots in Section I for The Meadows as well as
Section I of The Overlook. Depending upon market, we would then move to Section II of The Meadows before
moving on to Section III.
Note: Private roads should be built to public /City standards and specifications, in the event the City would ever
take over a private street. Petitioner states that constructing roads to City standards is required in the PUD.
Motion: Woody Rider to forward Docket No. 12030019 PP, The Meadows at Legacy (Legacy PUD) to the
Subdivision Committee for review with authority for final disposition, seconded by John Adams, approved 11 -0
7. Docket No. 12040015 OA: BZA Hearing Officer Ordinance Amendment.
The applicant seeks an ordinance amendment to change Zoning Ordinance Chapter 30: Board of Zoning
Appeals in order to modify the qualifications of BZA Hearing Officers. Filed by the Carmel Department
of Community Services on behalf of the Carmel Plan Commission.
Present for Petitioner: Adrienne Keeling, Dept of Community Services.
Overview:
Executive Committee of Plan Commission has already discussed this modification
Amendment now being formally brought before the Commission for approval
Proposed Amendment allows for flexibility to have additional, experienced members that are already
familiar with the BZA rules and procedures
In the case of an appeal, an independent hearing officer would free-up all five current members of the
Board of Zoning Appeals to make a ruling in case a hearing officer item is elevated to the full Board
State Statute requires that the Plan Commission appoint those hearing officers, and that would still be the
case
The Dept would be open to the Suspension of Rules of Procedure for a vote this evening and then
forwarding to the City Council
No Public Remonstrance Public Hearing Closed
Member's comments:
Proposal makes sense
ALL Members in agreement
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Motion: Woody Rider, "To suspend the Rules of Procedure and vote on Docket No. 12040014 OA, BZA
Hearing Officer Ordinance Amendment this evening, seconded by Steve Stromquist, Approved 11 -0
Motion: Woody Rider, To forward Docket No. 12040015 OA, BZA Hearing Officer Ordinance Amendment, to
the City Council with a favorable recommendation, seconded by Steve Stromquist, Approved
I. Old Business
1. Docket No. 12010005 OA: Patch Ordinance IX.
The applicant seeks to amend Subdivision Control Ordinance Chapter 3: General Provisions and
Chapter 7: Open Space Standards for Major Subdivisions. The applicant also seeks to amend Zoning
Ordinance Chapter 2: Compliance with the Regulations, Chapter 3: Definitions, Chapter 5: S-
1 /Residence District, Chapter 6: S -2 /Residence District, Chapter 7: R -1 /Residence District, Chapter 8:
R -2 /Residence District, Chapter 9.• R -3 /Residence District, Chapter 10: R -4 /Residence District, Chapter
20A: I -1 /Industrial District, Chapter 20G: Old Meridian District, Chapter 21: Special Uses Special
Exceptions, Chapter 23B: US Highway 31 Corridor Overlay Zone, Chapter 23C: US Highway 421
Michigan Road Corridor Overlay Zone, Chapter 23F: Carmel Drive Range Line Road Overlay Zone,
Chapter 24: Development Plan and Architectural Design, Exterior Lighting, Landscaping Signage
Regulations, Chapter 25: Additional Use Regulations, Chapter 26: Additional Height, Yard, Lot Area
and Buffering Regulations, Chapter 31: General Provisions and Appendix A: Schedule of Uses. Filed by
the Carmel Department of Community Services on behalf of the Carmel Plan Commission.
Present for Petitioner: Adrienne Keeling, Dept of Community Service.
Overview:
Too many Amendments to go through individually
Larger Amendments High lighted
Language changes to reflect city code
Density Standards are being moved from the Waiver realm to either a Board of Zoning Appeals variance
or a rezone under the Plan Commission and on to City Council for any varying densities
Continuing Care Retirement Communities "CCRC definition will remain without change, but the
definition for Nursing, Retirement, and Convalescent Facilities is being amended to make it more clear
that the nursing, retirement, convalescent facility is more a congregate living arrangement in larger
buildings whereas the CCRC could include the Cottages or individual buildings. The term "CCRC" has
also been added to the appendix —the term previously did not exist
Appendix A is being Color -coded and some adjustments made to make it even more clear and user
friendly
Overlay Zones: Rely on the primary zoning district for uses to determine if something is allowed, but if
the use is excluded, it is listed in the shaded overlay category with an `B"
The Dept is asking for a favorable recommendation to the City Council
Brad Grabow, chair of the Subdivision Committee, noted concerns with the CCRC existing language that
provides for a project that looks and feels like apartments to move forward. If we move forward with this
definition, we are failing to address a problem that has arisen in the past. Not satisfied with the definition of
"CCRC," but that is the only concern.
Commission Members' Comments:
Impression was that the City's definition was changed to align with State Statute definition
Response, Adrienne Keeling: The proposal went to Committee, but there was concern because the Indiana Code
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Section included a lot of language that did not relate to zoning at all. If the Code changed, the City would be
stuck with the State Code changes without regard to Zoning Ordinances
The current definition of CCRC does not provide enough distinction between a nursing facility, a CCRC,
and an apartment
Committee liked part of the definition in the Indiana Code "A health care facility that provides
independent living services and health facility services in a campus setting with common areas. This
seemed to differentiate between a nursing facility and apartments.
The Patch Ordinance could be sent to Council minus the CCRC section, and return it to Committee rather than
forwarding in bits and pieces. Another option is to fix it now, then send it on to Council.
Adrienne Keeling proposed the definition of a CCRC as a place where 3 or more levels of continued care are
provided to senior citizens, including but not limited to independent living, assisted living, skilled
nursing/memory care and to add "in a campus setting with open space:.."
The Commission approved forwarding Docket No. 12010005 OA, Patch Ordinance IX, to the City Council with a
positive recommendation, seconded by Woody Rider, subject to Brad Grabow the Dept working with John
Molitor to insert the proper language definition for a CCRC before forwarding to the City Council.
2. Docket No. 11120028 ADLS: West Carmel Commons, Lot 1- Outback Steakhouse.
The applicant seeks architectural design site plan approval for a restaurant on 1.7 acres. The site is
located at 10220 N. Michigan Rd. It is zoned B-2/Business within the US 421/Michigan Rd. Corridor
Overlay Zone. Filed by Joe Calderon of Bose McKinney Evans, LLP on behalf of OSI Restaurant
Partners, LLC.
Present for Petitioner: Joe Calderon, Bose McKinney Evans.
Overview:
Revised Site Plans Elevations submitted
Outback parcel had two major items of concern Access to Michigan Rd access to other parcels to the
west
Site is now re- designed with no direct access to Michigan Rd
Temporary Entry will use existing curb cut where Retail Parkway will be cut and come across t Lot 2
Once Retail Parkway is extended, the main drive will be connected and eventually flow to the north
The layout of the site has been revised so that there are no severe jogs to access other properties
The site is now much cleaner and provides much better connectivity, including future access to the north
south once Retail Parkway is constructed
Discussion at Committee revolved around making sure pedestrians could access from the parking lot to
the front of the bldg safely
Petitioner was asked to incorporate speed bumps or different material for safety purposes
The Urban Forester prefers trees 2 Y2 caliper
Bike Parking has been added
Architectural Design on the building has been agreed upon and finalized
The monument sign complies with the Ordinance and matches the building materials
Brad Grabow, Committee Report:
Tower Element Design addressed at Committee Architectural Standards are consistent with Michigan
Road 421 Overlay
Revised Road -plan now creates safer pedestrian crossing with addition of "crossing humps," installed
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at the time of road expansion to the north the question is "what would trigger that
Building Orientation is not toward Michigan Road; however, the landscape plan greatly softens the
exposure the Michigan Road side of the building is very heavily screened by trees shrubbery and is
acceptable to Committee Larger caliper trees would create a more immediate impact, but larger trees
have a very low survival rate
Concerns of the Committee have been addressed
Dept Comments, Angie Conn:
Dept Recommends approval at this time
Commission Members' Comments:
Suggestion for pedestrian hump: Compute cost and ask petitioner to deposit equal amount in escrow for
future road improvements it would then be City's responsibility at time of connection
NOTE: In order to avoid any future conflict, Joe Calderon said the petitioner is willing to install the
pedestrian access humps now
Any fence envisioned around patio area to contain children from the street? (Petitioner must return for
ADLS Amendment for outdoor seating area conceptual at this time
Motion: Nick Kestner, to approve Docket No. 11120028 ADLS, West Carmel Commons, Lot 1 Outback
Steakhouse conditioned upon the addition of two pedestrian crossing humps acceptable to the Dept of
Community Services and/or Carmel Engineering; said pedestrian humps to be installed now, seconded by Steve
Stromquist, Approved 11 0
3. Docket No. 12030010 DP Amend/ADLS: The Centre, Part A: Bank Retail/Drive -Thru
Building. The applicant seeks site plan and design approvals for a partial redevelopment of the site. The
applicant also seeks the following zoning waiver request:
4. Docket No. 12030012 ZW ZO Chptrs 23F.15 23F.02.04: Required of parking spaces. The
site is located at 1342 -1430 S. Range Line Road. It is zoned B-3/Business, within the Carmel Dr.
Rangeline Rd. Overlay Zone. Filed by Paul Reis of Krieg Devault, for Kite Realty Co.
Present for Petitioner: Paul Reis, Krieg Devault, 12800 North Meridian Street, Carmel. Also in attendance:
Ashley Bedell. Project Manager, Kite Realty; Dan Brueggert, Project Architect.
Overview:
Three out buildings at this centre
Bldg at corner of 116 Range Line is an important bldg, highly visible
With Dept approval, petitioner split the ADLS approval for the corner bldg away from the design
approval for Range Line Road. Retail, and the new bank
Concern regarding the site plan was expressed with the signalized entrance at Range Line Road
currently un- striped, and no separate lane for right turn
There is space for three (3) access lanes at the Range Line Road entrance (left turn, straight/ right turn,
and one incoming)
Dumpster for the bank will be located at the west side of the building, approximately mid -way
The bank drive -thru canopy will be maroon to match the brick color and not make it stand out so much
Plans by the City include greatly increasing the streetscape along Range Line Road the proposed
design will accommodate those changes
The petitioner has been granted a Variance to allow the existing sidewalk to remain until such time as the
Streetscape project begins
The petitioner has agreed to either enter into an agreement with the City that will spell out who will
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construct the path along Range Line Road if an agreement is not reached, there will be a contribution to
the City to cover the costs and the City would install the path in connection with the Streetscape
The path will also continue to the west and will connect to Central Park
The Zoning Waiver Request is for a reduced number of parking spaces
Dept Report, Angie Conn:
Dept concerns have been addressed
The petitioner has pointed out the commitment regarding the Variance
Approval should be contingent upon the commitment associated with the Variance
The Dept recommends approval conditioned upon the commitment associated with the Variance
Special Studies Chair Report, Steve Stromqusist:
Dumpster enclosed or free standing? (Will be enclosed landscaped))
Striping will be at center entrance for traffic flow
Stacking issue resolved for drive -thru at north end of project
Committee voted unanimous recommendation for approval
Commission Members' Comments:
Still a concern with access at traffic light narrow width
Would encourage petitioner to find a creative way to alleviate traffic (Petitioner states that at time
Streetscape is done, they will look at possibility of widening drive)
Would like some discretion to remain with Staff regarding the Dumpsters and truck access from service
road, not only for bank but for all the shops
Motion: Woody Rider "To approve Docket No. 12030010 DP Amend/ADLS, The Centre, Part A, Bank
Retail/Drive -Thru Building and Docket No. 12030012 ZW, ZO Chptrs 23F.15 23F.02 -04: Required number of
parking spaces, conditioned upon commitments associated with the Variance regarding the Streetscape and
construction of the path, as well as giving DOCS Staff discretion on location of the dumpster, seconded by John
Adams, approved 11 -0
J. New Business
1. Docket No. 12040018 ADLS Amend: Monon Main, Blocks 5 7.
The applicant seeks approval modify a portion of the site plan and modify a few of the architectural
building elevations. The site is located northwest of the intersection of Main St. 3 Avenue NW. It is
zoned PUD/Planned Unit Development. Filed by Francois Mercho for Big Monon Main, LLC, owners.
Present for Petitioner: Brian Cross, Civil Site Group, 643 Massachusetts Avenue, Indianapolis. Also in
attendance: Francois Mercho and Hassan Mercho
Overview:
Development approved in 2004 as Monon and Main
Development has undergone some economic impacts over the years
Approved PUD site plan displayed in color format
Monon Main is a condominium development with individual, fee simple ownership of lots
New Development Plan modifies the PUD plan north bldg slides south in an effort to create more,
continuous open space /courtyard area for the community
Another major change to the site plan is removing the court area of buildings with interior access garages
from the center area to a more traditional, linear building of eight (8) units
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Carmel Plan Commission Meeting
May 15, 2012
A primary focal point of the change is driven by the development and community, as well as the
neighborhood, to have more green space. Also, the street view from the roundabout at Main Street is
much improved
These are the amendments proposed to this PUD and ADLS
Dept Comments, Angie Conn:
Monon Main PUD Ordinance could have been approved administratively
Proposed Changes were more than the Dept Director was comfortable with and requested full
Commission review
Dept is in support of proposed changes
Architectural change addresses the site view from Main Street
Dept recommends approval this evening Committee review not necessary
Question: Was there a plan to continue the road farther north through redevelopment?
Angie Conn responded that there was some discussion about future, potential connection to the north, but all of
those roads are private and the Thoroughfare Plan does not show anything; it was weighed as an option to the
proposal.
Motion: Steve Stromquist to approve Docket No. 12040018 ADLS Amend, Monon Main, Blocks 5 -7
seconded by Woody Rider, Approved 11 -0.
2. TABLED TO JUNE l Docket No. 12020024 ADLS: Meridian and Main, Parcel 1, Building 1.
K. Adjournment at 8:25 PM
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