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Carmel Plan Commission
SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE
Wednesday, November 7, 2012
DOCS Conference Room
3rd Floor, Carmel City Hall
6:00 PM
Members Present: John Adams, Steve Lawson, Alan Potasnik, Woody Rider
Members Absent: Steve Stromquist
DOCS Staff Present: Angie Conn, Rachel Boone; Legal Counsel John Molitor
Also Present: Ramona Hancock, Plan Commission Secretary
The Special Studies Committee considered the following items:
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1. Docket No. 12100013 ADLS Amend: The Centre - City Barbeque.
The applicant seeks approvals for the tenant facade design, lighting, outdoor dining area, and landscaping.
The site is located at 1342 S. Range Line Rd. and is zoned B-3/Business within the Carmel Dr. - Rangeline
Rd. Overlay Zone. Filed by Ashley Bedell of Kite Realty Group.
Present for Petitioner: Paul Reis, attorney, Krieg, DeVault; Rick Radabaugh, Kite Realty; Dan Feibel, City
BarBQ
Overview:
• Distinctive Restaurant with inside & outside store
• Different type of restaurant
• Restaurant complementary to balance of center
• North facade has "Smoker" units with fencing
• Smokers are stainless steel, attractive
• Landscape plan approved by Daren Mindham
Dept Comments, Angie Conn:
• Petitioner has accommodated most all changes requested
• Wall sconce lighting fixtures - gooseneck proposed - request cohesiveness in the lighting to draw all
shops in center together
• Wood for smokers stacked in fenced area
• Dept recommends favorable consideration
ommittee discussion:
• Request different species of tree in front of sign (will hide sign)
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• Sign on north will need a variance
• Parking spaces in northeast corner — close to outdoor seating area — Committee recommends wrought -
iron fencing to protect outdoor dining area or maybe parking bumpers
• How high is fence surrounding smoker units? (Approx 5.4 feet high)
Petitioner specifically requests approval for three gooseneck lights on the columns — willing to conform to
center light fixtures upon ever vacating premises. Petitioner states No Awnings on bldg
Motion: Woody Rider to approve Docket No. 12100013 ADLS Amend, The Centre, City Barbeque, with
inclusion of parking bumpers on the northeast corner and gooseneck lighting, seconded by Steve Lawson,
Approved 4 -0.
2. Docket No. 12100012 ADLS Amend: Wedgewood Building Company's Office (D Wilkinson
Addition, Lot 32). The applicant seeks approval for a building addition and exterior building and site
modifications for a professional office. (This was the prior proposed Abbey Taphouse site). The site is
located at 32 First Ave NE (now 32 First Street NE) and is zoned B-1/Business, within the Old Town
Overlay, Character Subarea. Filed by Paul Owen of Wedgewood Building Company, LLC.
Present for Petitioner: Paul Owen, Gary McNutt, Brad Love with Wedgewood Building Company
Overview:
• Purchased property with intention of moving offices
• Currently six full time employees and several part-time
• Wedgewood is a residential home builder
• Requests approval to construct addition to property
Dept Comments, Angie Conn:
• Request more detail on bike rack
• Request detail on ground sign dimensions height
• Landscape plan and a few other issues need to be addressed
• Engineering Dept has outstanding issues
• Dept recommends approval conditioned upon Engineering Dept approval
Rachel Boone, Sign Comments:
• Sign needs to be on one arm to preserve Old Town look
• Sign is to be landscaped at sign base
Note: City is in process of changing zoning to B-5/Business — petitioner states he is aware, agreeable, and
accepts B -5 zoning.
Motion: Wood Rider to approve Docket No. 12100012 ADLS Amend, Wedgewood Building Company's
Office (D Wilkinson Addition, Lot 32) conditioned upon petitioner's acceptance of B -5 zoning, seconded by
John Adams, Approved 4 -0.
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3. WITHDRAWN - Docket No. 12070001 ADLS Amend: Abbey Taphouse (D Wilkinson's Addition,
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Subarea. Filed by Bruce Beny of BAB Associates Architecture, Inc.
4. Docket No. Docket No. 12080005 ADLS: McDonald's Rebuild.
The applicant seeks design approval to rebuild a fast food restaurant building with two drive - thrus, plus add
new landscaping, lighting, and signage. The site is located at 750 E. Carmel Dr. and is zoned B-8/Business,
within the Keystone Parkway Corridor Overlay Zone. Filed by Timothy Ochs of Ice Miller, LLP.
Present for petitioner: Tim Ochs, attorney, Ice Miller; Blair Carmosino, Carmosino Group; Hank Elms, Area
Construction Manager for McDonald's.
Overview:
• Demo of existing McDonald's & replace with new, modern facility
• Info supplement related to dumpster concern & alternative transportation
• Southwest entrance closer to Carmel Drive – need entrance to align with front curve of bldg for easy
traffic flow
• Raised median will funnel traffic flow, widen throat to maximum distance
• Received favorable nod from planning staff —meets McDonald's requirements for getting traffic in/out
• Other supplemental material/info – adding bike racks
• Store is sized for capacity seating at 107, existing seating is 95
Address Dept Comments:
• Handicap parking spaces – against the bldg is best location – would like to leave site configuration in
conformance with McDonald's tried/true site layout
• Traffic pattern with office bldg to the west is not an option
• McDonald's is always in a high traffic area, not a destination retail location but a convenience stop
• No traffic counts
• Item 4 of Dept Report is procedural matter
• Request approval rather than returning to full Plan Commission
• Using LED technology in lights in bldg and parking lot
• Staff requests smooth wall rather than split -face block
• Petitioner will commit to not blocking sign (see dept report)
• Landscape plan – petitioner agreed to address all concerns
• Southwest ingress /egress addressed
_Dept Comments, Angie Conn:
• Petitioner has addressed all concerns
• Plan Commission concerns regarding handicap parking have been addressed
• DOCS Staff OK with current layout – 3 handicap spots comply with ADA requirements – number and
location
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• Petitioner could expand parking area east, but prefers not
• Landscape — existing two trees will stay
• Bike rack detail provided — petitioner willing to stripe pavement; will install ramp where bicycle parking
will be located
• Outdoor dining — petitioner will be getting rid of picnic tables at current location -- McDonald's will be
allowed to put some picnic tables outside
• Landscape plan includes landscape screening around dumpster and also screening from Steve Wilson's
building/view
Motion: Woody Rider to approve Docket No. 12080005 ADLS, McDonald's Rebuild, with commitments from
petitioner as stated, seconded by Steve Lawson, Approved 4 -0.
5. Docket No. 12050013 Z: 146th & Gray Rezone.
The applicant seeks approval to rezone 11.6 acres from S -1 /Residence to B-1/Business (with commitments)
for a proposed fuel/gas station, with the rest for tree preservation. The site is located at 4927 E. 146`h St., at
the southeast corner of 146`h St. and Gray Rd. Filed by Joseph Scimia of Faegre Baker Daniels, LLP for L
& Q Realty, LLC.
Present for Petitioner: Joe Scimia, attorney, Faegre Baker Daniels; J. Ricker, principle in Ricker Oil Co.
Overview:
• Number of pumps reduced from 10 to 8
• 7.2 acre preservation buffer area withdrawn from rezone request and will remain S -2 zoning
• Evergreen buffer, 20 feet on center, added for additional screening behind bike rack and along entire
southern and east property line
Note: Woody Rider requested evergreen plantings staggered at 10 feet — acceptable to petitioner
• Evergreens planted would be a minimum of 6 feet tall at time of planting, not at maturity
• List of prohibited uses, Exhibit C, page 9 lists 25 uses
• Turning Radius/Tanker Maneuverability is not an issue
Dept Comments, Angie Conn:
• Petitioner has addressed a lo of concerns re visibility, noise, & lights
• Dept maintains position of favorable consideration for rezoning & preservation of 7.5 acres
• Recommend returning to full Plan Commission for November 20 meeting
Petitioner /Joe Scimia :
• Petitioner states there are accel & decel lanes on 146`h Street
• Additional right -of -way will be granted on Gray Road for future widening
• Currently no plans for a fence at the rear of property
Comments from Area Residents/Neighbors in Attendance:
• Wall (stone) or some physical barrier would keep persons from intruding in their back yards due to 24-
hour nature of the business
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Petitioner states no plans for wall or physical barrier other than evergreens along the east and south side — no
precedent for a wall — evergreens would provide visual barrier
• Proposal does not fit the area; is not within the Comprehensive Plan
Petitioner states proposal fits within one or two nodes in the Comprehensive Plan, identified before petition was
ever submitted
• Neighbors do not want commercial and a 24 -hour facility
Petitioner has no plans to create a line of commercial
• Traffic is an issue, especially with recently approved Gray Oaks Subdivision for 40 home sites
Petitioner: Gray Oaks site has been factored in and accounted for
Petitioner again states his feeling that this development supports the Comprehensive Plan for the City of Carmel
Committee Comments:
• Appreciate petitioner reducing the acreage for rezone to a smaller section of the corner
• Tough decision for this location
• Not an appropriate use for this location
• Recommend petitioner look at possibility of a fence & placement (petitioner agreed)
• Fence is an ADLS issue — proposal is for a Rezone
Motion: Woody Rider to forward Docket No. 12050013 Z, 146`h & Gray Rezone, to the full Plan Commission
with a positive recommendation, seconded by Steve Lawson, Approved 3 in favor, one opposed (Potasnik)
Meeting adjourned at 8:20 PM
amona Hancock, Secretary
A an Potasnik, Chairperson, pro tem
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2. Docket No. 12100012 ADLS Amend: Wedgewood Building Company's Office (D Wilkinson
Addition, Lot 32). The applicant seeks approval for a building addition and exterior building and site
modifications for a professional office. (This was the prior proposed Abbey Taphouse site). The site is
located at 32 First Ave NE (now 32 First Street NE) and is zoned B -1 /Business, within the Old Town
Overlay, Character Subarea. Filed by Paul Owen of Wedgewood Building Company, LLC.
The applicant seeks design approval for a renovation and building addition to an existing building, to have an
office use. The office use is permitted in both the Overlay Zone, as well as in the B1 district. The exterior
building colors and materials of the addition will match the current building. The site will have adequate onsite
parking, a rain garden as part of the landscaping, bicycle parking, and more. Please see the petitioner's info
packet for further detail.
Outstanding review comments from Staff:
1. Please submit the bicycle rack design details, per Zoning Ordinance Chapter 27.06.
2. Please submit greater detail on the suspended sign dimensions, height, etc.
3. Petitioner should provide an update on the approval status of the Landscape Plan.
4. The City Engineering Dept. comments
a) The :Engineering Dept. still needs the petitioner to submit construction, grading and drainage plans. The
Dept. issued comments accordingly on 11/1/12.
b) The site plan indicates two parallel parking spaces along the alley. Per the site plan, the property only
has 65 -feet fronting the alley, and parallel parking generally requires 22 -25 feet for maneuvering, so
they should amend the length of those parking stalls.
c) The developer has indicated a rain garden on the site plan for stormwater quality and detention. Since
this is in excess of the stormwater standards for this size site, the Engineering Department appreciates
the developer's desire to construct this stormwater improvement.
Recommendation:
After all comments and concerns are addressed, the Dept of Community Services (DOCS) recommends that the
Committee approves this item, with the condition of final construction plan approval by the City Engineering
Dept.
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City of Carmel
Carmel Plan Commission
SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 Meeting
LOCATION: CAUCUS ROOMS, 2nd FLR
CARMEL CITY HALL
ONE CIVIC SQUARE
CARMEL, IN 46032
TIME: 6:00 P.M.
(DOORS OPEN AT 5:30 P.M.)
The Special Studies Committee will meet to consider the following items:
1. Docket No. 12100013 ADLS Amend: The Centre — City Barbeque.
The applicant seeks approvals for the tenant facade design, lighting, outdoor dining area, and landscaping.
The site is located at 1342 S. Range Line Rd. and is zoned B -3 /Business within the Carmel Dr. — Rangeline
Rd. Overlay Zone. Filed by Ashley Bedell of Kite Realty Group.
2. Docket No. 12100012 ADLS Amend: Wedgewood Building Company's Office (D Wilkinson
Addition, Lot 32). The applicant seeks approval for a building addition and exterior building and site
modifications for a professional office. (This was the prior proposed Abbey Taphouse site). The site is
located at 32 First Ave NE (now 32 First Street NE) and is zoned B -1 /Business, within the Old Town
Overlay, Character Subarea. Filed by Paul Owen of Wedgewood Building Company, LLC.
3. WITHDRAWN - Docket No. 12070001 ADLS Amend: Abbey Taphouse (D Wilkinson's Addition,
Lot 32).
4. Docket No. Docket No. 12080005 ADLS: McDonald's Rebuild.
The applicant seeks design approval to rebuild a fast food restaurant building with two drive- thrus, plus add
new landscaping, lighting, and signage. The site is located at 750 E. Carmel Dr. and is zoned B -8 /Business,
within the Keystone Parkway Corridor Overlay Zone. Filed by Timothy Ochs of Ice Miller, LLP.
5. Docket No. 12050013 Z: 146th & Gray Rezone.
The applicant seeks approval to rezone 11.6 acres from S-1/Residence to B-1/Business (with commitments)
for a proposed fuel /gas station, with the rest for tree preservation. The site is located at 4927 E. 146th St., at
the southeast corner of 146th St. and Gray Rd. Filed by Joseph Scimia of.Faegre Baker Daniels, LLP for L
& Q Realty, LLC.
ONE CIVIC SQUARE
File: SS- 2012 -1107 Wednesday.doc
CARMEL, INDIAiNA 46032 317 -571 -2417
City of Carmel
Carmel Plan Commission
SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 Meeting
(Revised)
LOCATION: Planning Dept. Conference Room, 3`d Flr.
Carmel City Hall
1 Civic Square
Carmel, Indiana 46032
TIME: 6:00 P.M.
(DOORS OPEN AT 5:30 P.M.)
The Special Studies Committee will meet to consider the following items:
1. Docket No. 12100013 ADLS Amend: The Centre — City Barbeque.
The applicant seeks approvals for the tenant facade design, lighting, outdoor dining area, and landscaping.
The site is located at 1342 S. Range Line Rd. and is zoned B -3 /Business within the Carmel Dr. — Rangeline
Rd. Overlay Zone. Filed by Ashley Bedell of Kite Realty Group.
2. Docket No. 12100012 ADLS Amend: Wedgewood Building Company's Office (D Wilkinson
Addition, Lot 32). The applicant seeks approval for a building addition and exterior building and site
modifications for a professional office. (This was the prior proposed Abbey Taphouse site). The site is
located at 32 First Ave NE (now 32 First Street NE) and is zoned B -1 /Business, within the Old Town
Overlay, Character Subarea. Filed by Paul Owen of Wedgewood Building Company, LLC.
3. WITHDRAWN - Docket No. 12070001 ADLS Amend: Abbey Taphouse (D Wilkinson's Addition,
4. Docket No. Docket No. 12080005 ADLS: McDonald's Rebuild.
The applicant seeks design approval to rebuild a fast food restaurant building with two drive - thrus, plus add
new landscaping, lighting, and signage. The site is located at 750 E. Carmel Dr. and is zoned B -8 /Business,
within the Keystone Parkway Corridor Overlay Zone. Filed by Timothy Ochs of Ice Miller, LLP.
5. Docket No. 12050013 Z: 146th & Gray Rezone.
The applicant seeks approval to rezone 11.6 acres from S -1 /Residence to B-1/Business (with commitments)
for a proposed fuel/gas station, with the rest for tree preservation; The site is .located. at 4927 E. 146th St., at
the southeast corner of 146th St. and Gray Rd. Filed by Joseph Scimia of Faegre Baker Daniels, LLP for L
& Q Realty, LLC.
File: SS- 2012 -1107 new locationdoc
ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIANA 46032 317 - 571 -2417