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City of Carmel
CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION
November 16, 2004
Minutes
The regularly scheduled meeting of the Carmel Plan Commission met November 16, 2004 at 7:00 PM
in the Council Chambers of City Hall. The meeting opened with the Pledge of Allegiance.
Members Present were J eny Chomanczuk; Leo Dierckman; Dan Dutcher; Wayne Haney; Dianna
Knoll; Mark Rattennann; Rick Ripma; Madeleine Torres; Susan Westermeier
The Department of Comrtlllnity Services was represented by Mike Hollibaugh, Director; JOl1
Dobosiewicz; Adrienne Keeling. John Molitor, Legal Counsel was also in attendance.'
The minutes of the October 19, 2004 meeting were approved as sllbmitted.
G. Reports.. Announcements~ & Department Concerns, Jon Dobosiewicz. There are three
items on the Agenda-4,'S, and 6h-all dealing with North Meridian Medical Pavilion, and the
Department suggests that the hearing on those three items be held simultaneously.
H. Public Hearings:
lh. Docket No. 04080056 PP: Villas at Morgan's Creek - Primary Plat
,The applicant seeks to plat a ~esidential subdivision of 11 lots on 6.39 acres. The
petitioner also seeks the following subdivision waivers:
Docket No. 04080057 SW: SCO 6.03.07 - Street Layout & Design Standards
Docket No.04080058SW: SC07.05.07 - Woodlands
The site is located at 14309 Gray Road. The site is zoned S l/Residence.
Filed by Adam DeHart of Keeler Webb Associates for Covenant Group, LLC.
Adam DeHart, Keeler Webb Associates, and Jerry Cor bier, Corbier Traditions, custom homebuilder
were present representing the applicant. The open space schedule has been updated as well as the
primary plat/landscaping. The petitioner is reqllesting primary plat approval of a 12-10t subdivision
together with two Subdivision Waviers: one for street layout and design, the other for clearing of
woodlands/scrub trees being removed from the site.
. The subject property has the following boundaries: Gray Road on the west; low-density residential
on the nort~;'~ortheast by a wooded area designated as a wildlife preserve arid owned by a private
individual;,WoQdfield Subdivision on the east and south; West, and across Gray Road is the
Oakbrook Subdivision. The subject site and all surrounding properties are zoned S-l.
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, owner of property located at 3745' West 97th Street, the, lot immediately adjacent to the lot proposed
, for rezone. Mr. Spray is looking to the Commission for protection of his property-screening,
commitments regarding lighting, sound restriction, hours of operation. '
,'Leo Dierclanan commented that at this time" it seems appropriate to return this Docket to the
Special Study Committee.
Mark R-attennann suggested, that tl1e Public Hearing be closed at the Committee level upon
completion ofColmnittee review.
Diam1a Knoll made fonnal motion to return Docket Nos. 04030047 DP/ADLS and 04030048 Z,
. North 'Augusta, Sec 1, lots lOpt-ll and Sec 2, Lot 39, My Three Sons Ventures, LLC to the
Special Study COlmnittee for review completion, seconded by Mark Rattennann.The vote was 7 in
favor, 2 opposed (Chomat1czuk, Ripma) Motion Approved. Note: The public hearing will be
closed at the Co~ittee' before Docket 04030048-Z (rezone request) retllms to the full
Commission.
Dan,Dlltcher then moved to sllspend the Rules of Procedure and grant the Special Study Committee
authority to bring Docket 04030047 DP/ADLS to final resolution, seconded by Dianna Knoll,
Approved 8 il1 favor, 1 opposed (Torres.)
4i. Docket No. 04080042 DP Amend/ADLS:
Kentucky Fried Chicken/Long John Silver's
The applicant proposes to construct a'fast food restaurant building. The site is
located at 1331 S. Range Line Road. The site is zoned B-8/Business.
. Filed by Ryan Oyster of the GPD GrollP.
Ryan Oyster, of GPD Group Engineeringl Architecture for Young Brands, appeared before the
Commission representing the applicant. This was originally proposed as a Kentucky Fried
ChickenILong John Silver's multi-brand restaurant; however, Long John Silver's was unwilling to
"sign off' .on the proposal. The layout of the property will not change-the footprint of the building
remains the same.
The petitioner haS' modified the ground sign pursuant to the Special Study 'Committee and has also
modified the,blade sign to a maximum of three feet wide by six feet tall. The petitioner has agreed
to the dedication of a 45-foot one-half right-of-way on Range Line Road.
Jerry Chqmanczllk reported that this proposal will be a welcome change to Range Line Road. There
are no overwhelming signage issues, and the elevation on Range Line Road will match what is
replacing the Ponderosa'building and the existing Day Furs.
Department Comments, Jon Dobosiewicz. The petitioner has made modifications to the ground
sign and blade sign design and those modifications are consistent with the recommendations of the
Special Study Committee. The Department recommends approval of the petitioner's request,
subject to the dedication of the 45 foot one-half right-of-way.'
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Dianna 'Knoll moved for approval of Docket No. 04080042 DP/Amend/ADLS, Kentucky Fried
'Chicken/Long John Silver's, with the inclusions of the 45 foot one-half right-of-way
dedication, seconded by Madeleine Torres, APPROVED 9-0.
5i. Docket No. 04Q80060 DP/ADLS: 11'6th Street Centre
The applicant proposes to construct two mixed-use office/retail buildings. The site is
located at the northwest comer of 116th St and Guilford Road. The site is zoned B~2.
Filed by Joe Calderon of Ice Miller for Equicor Development, Inc.
Joe Calderon, attorney with Ice, Miller appeared before the Commission representing the applicant.
The subject site 11as been through the -rezone process and has been reviewed by the Speci,al Study'
, Committee. The property is at the northwest comer of 116th and Guilford Road. '
The petitioner has agreed to dedicate a 40-foot one-halfrig11t-of-way along Guilford Road. The
petitioner has also agreed to limit the colors on signage. Logos can be treated differently and have
more than two colors (for instance, Starbucks). Logos will be limited to 25% of the sign square
footage. There some signs that are tenant identification signs at the rear of the buildings;. these signs
will be kept consistent and the cplors will be limited and the lettering will also be consistent. The
dumpster enclosure will have the same brick.materials as the building, ,and the two "s~ing" doors
were made a little taller.
The petitioner has agreed to provide access to the property to the west, provided that the adjoining
property owner 'and the petitioner can agree to reasonable terms. The 'petitioner has also agreed to
work with tl1e Department of Enginee,ring in respect to any lighting fixture that may be on the right-
of-way.
Finally, the revised landscape plan was submitted to the' Urban Forester. The Urban Forester
requested that Hawthomes be replaced, and those have been replaced with Servicebeny trees.
There was discussion regarding window treatment, and the petitioner agreed to no decals on the
windows and there would be a consistent, interior shade for all tenants to effect consistency from
the street view. The glass in the windows is clear, insulated glass.
The last issue concerned a wall in the Woodpark 'Neighborhood that would buffer their,residential
neighborhood from the proposed project and also .help mitigate the effects of the 116th Street
expansion project. Currently, there is an entry wall along 1 16th Street in the Woodpark
Sllbdivision. The residents of W 00 dp ark desired to extend the height 0, the wall in W oodpark.
Upon examining the existing wall, the petitioner felt it would be difficult to extend, engineering
wise. The petitioner proposed landscaping or contribution of a sum of money to whatever type of
buffer W oodpark deems suitable.'
Jeny Chomanczuk reported that the Special Study Committee had reviewed this proposal and had
~oted a 3-0 favorable recommendation. The favorable recommendation was conditioned upon the
following: Dedication of right-of-way along Guilford Road, and acceptance of efforts made by the
petitioner to address the bllffer concerns of the residents in W oodpark on the south side of 116th
Street. The residents would like an 8-foot fence; the Committee was not certain what an appropriate
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