HomeMy WebLinkAboutFinal Chamber Notes 08-08-12 Final Chamber Notes/Changes Requested Follow up 8/8/2012
1. ADLS Amendment needs to be administrativel approved for existing buildings.
>(2. Would like to see signs allowed on the front sidend rear of a tenant space.
,,33'' 25.07.01-04 b: Add copy change is ok.
✓4. 25.07.01-05: define total-sign package. S i0-10 P(G(vi `E"0 v'1'10.--�-G k G('' . Z 4
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U1)0(.4"��-�Cp 5. 25.07,01-06 f: remove "swing" so not to make suspended or projecting signs illegal. � � "'
-�'tVC �"`� y• 25.07.01-06 is use a different word for "portable" so the same word is not defining it. 6 ,
V 25.07.02: Remove variance and BPW language for signs in ROW. Mike says need to keep
something signed at county level though. (Many different spots in the Sign Ord. )
y25.07.02-03 e 1: change awning height requirement to say "shall be placed
appropriately over windows or doors" (Other locations within Sign Ord. as well)
X25.07.02-03 g 2: Leave changeable copy area to 2/3 of the sign area, not 50%
J0. 25.07.02-04 b 2 & 3: Would like to allow multiple signs per street frontage for office
buildings, to eliminate the on-going variance requests for multiple tenants.
/ 11. 25.07.02-04 b 4 c: Would like signs e\for upper level tenants of Mixed use buildings.
v2. 25.07.02-04 f 3: Delete wood or�rneial description of menu casing.
(Xi:25.07.02-06 f: Add masonry base requirement for drive thru menu signs
14. 25.07.03-01 g: Would like have multiple signs for construction sites and not limit all
professions to one sign.
"15. 25.07.03-01 h: Would like renewals allowed for construction signs.
1/16. 25.07.03-02 c 2: Non highway signs should be left at 20 sq. ft., not reduced to 12 sq. ft.
✓17. 25.07.03-02: Would like renewals for real estate signs. Do not want to be limited to 12
month time period. Think fees should be atcessed for those that violate and leave sign
up when leasing space is not available in office buildings.
‘4.8. 25.07.03-04: Instead of"this" Ordinance, say "the Zoning" Ordinance to help clarify.
-./19. 25.07.03-06 A c: Just leave it at 3' x 8' horizontal format. Take off 24 sq. ft.
✓20. 25.07.03-06 B f: Change to "limited to the announcement of the opening or closing"
‘41. Sign Chart A: Would like to see percentage of frontage used, instead of the chart.
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Black = OK with proposed change, will make.
Blue = OK with proposed change, but will probably have to make at Council level is PC is not ok
with it.
Red= Not OK with proposed change.
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CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION I SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE
JUNE 27,2012 DEPARTMENT REPORT
7. Docket No. 11090004 OA: Sign Ordinance Update.
The applicant seeks approval to amend Chapter 25.07: Sign Ordinance of the Zoning Ordinance in order to update
and revise the regulations for signage, as well as amend/update Chapter 3: Definitions, Chapter 19: B-/Business
District, Chapter 20E:C-1/City Center District, Chapter 20F:C-2/Old Town District, Chapter 20G: OM/Old Meridian
District, Chapter 23B: US Highway 31 Corridor Overlay Zone, Chapter 23C: US Highway 421 — Michigan Road
Corridor Overlay Zone, Chapter 23D: Old Town District Overlay Zone, Chapter 23E: Home Place District Overlay
Zone; Chapter 23F: Carmel Drive Range Line Road Overlay Zone, Chapter 231: Monon Greenway Overlay Zone,
Chapter 24: Development Plan and Architectural Design, Exterior Lighting, Landscaping & Signage Regulations,
Chapter 25: Additional Use Regulations, and Chapter 29: Administration. Filed by the Cannel Department of
Community Services on behalf of the Carmel Plan Commission.
Please view the information packet for more detail.
OVERVIEW OF CHANGES--
1. Create a Visual Guide with examples and text corresponding to sections in the Sign Ordinance
a. General Provisions (Adding clarification to Sign Maintenance provisions and
b. Condensing/clarifying Prohibited Sign section
2. Permanent Signs
a. Add a general requirements section at the beginning to reduce duplication within categories
b. Combine Subdivision&Multi-Family Housing Complex to Residential Complex
c. Combine Home Occupation and Boarding House for Residential and Business zones
d. Eliminate Institutional and Recreational Uses sections
e. Eliminate Special Use and Use Variance sign section
f. New section for Multi-Tenant Buildings,which combines the following sections:
i. Multi-Tenant Ground Floor Building
ii. Multi-Tenant Multi-Level Building
iii. Multi-Tenant Building Complex
iv. Multi-level, Mixed Use Building (a new category)
g. Simplify Window Sign provisions
h. Add more information to Drive-Thru Service Menu sign section
i. Combine Old Town and Old Meridian sections
j. Add section for Carmel Dr. —Range Line Rd. Overlay Zone
k. Add section for Miscellaneous Permanent Sign
3. Temporary Signs
a. Add a general requirements section at the beginning to reduce duplication within categories
b. Combine Subdivision and Non-Residential & Multi-Family Complex Construction signs into one
Construction Sign section
c. Clarifying Real Estate sign section
d. Combine Additional Signs in Residential Zones into Signage for Temporary Uses
e. Expand Permitted Banners section to be more like the other sections
f. Add section for Yard Sale and Open House signs
g. Add section for Miscellaneous Temporary Signs
4. Sign Charts
a. A: Eliminate ground sign height—has been added to each section it applies to.
b. B: No changes
c. C: Address number heights have been altered to meet minimum Fire Code regulations.
GOALS--
1. Address the business community's concerns wherever possible by:
a. Making the Sign Ordinance more fair/equal across the board
b. Making it easier to understand by condensing sections and utilizing more consistent language/terms
c. Provide links to definitions and maps/overlay zones
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2. Maintain key provisions which set Cannel apart from other cities
3. Re-arrange and condense sections of Sign Ordinance to be clearer/easier to read and understand
4. Eliminate repetition within the Sign Ordinance
Jan.3,2012 Committee meeting summary:
%I/Rachel passed out copies of Village of West Clay PUD and Clay Terrace PUD sign language for comparison to
the new Multi Tenant Buildings section.
2. t was discussed in great detail why additional signage for secondary entrances to retail/office spaces is important
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for both identification and access.
3. Why are rear entrance signs only allowed for buildings that have . to
remember/find out why this was proposed. Can there be staff discretion of the 15' rule? Say th range of 16-18'
would also be allowed a sign?
4. Overall,the use of the word"Street Frontage"should be adjusted or replaced due to changing evelopment
patterns in Carmel. Ideas included: 7 1� �r1� `V� 7
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8. horoughfare/Alley Access
Need a definition ofrPublic EntrancaillWd determine what that lan cage is for allowing additional signs
(9n facades.
. Define what a primary an d secondary entrato help distinguish what kind of sign is allowed to go where.
econdary entrances could he allo%■ed a smaller/non-illuminated sign in addition to a main identification sign.
11. . a visual Guide example of"Tenant Facade'':°to more clearly illustrate where a Secondary Projecting sign is
owed to be placed(to assure it is only places on that tenant's property).
12. . ge definition of"Multi-tenant, Multi-Level Non-Retail and Service Building" into Single Office Building for
less confusion.
Feb. 7 Committee meeting summary:
. / Window signs: OK
Drive Thru Service Menu signs: Add to Number and type: One Menu Board &One Preview Board "per
tablishment"
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„..../ir own&Old Meru
a. Delete this section,move to fit into other sections per building type.
b. Delete the Meijer zone
c. Allow Suspended sign type in other areas besides Old Town that fit building setback requirements of 15'
or less.
U4. Carmel Dr.— a Zone: Will work to add this into other areas of the Sign Ordinance, in
rder to not single out a spec] c area of Cannel.
Miscellaneous Permanent Signs: Work this information into the Exempt section.
Marsh 6 Committee Meeting summary:
dded"and real estate signs less than 6 sq. ft."to letter A in the beginning general notes section(-12/x)
2. Cons ction signs: I
Time limit extended to 18 months with no extensions
b./4Vork on on o n to say that when infrastructure is complete, the construction sign
�V should be removed
,Real Estate signs, for Business,Industrial and Manufacturing zones maximum sign area(C.):
a. Replace"Lot size less than five acres"with:"Non-highway signs: 12 sq. ft."
b. Replace"Lots size five acres or greater"with: "Highway signs: 32 sq. ft."
Political campaign signs:
C ";,• ete Design an Time categories
w� rk au definition ot'lp oncern that signs are allowed at polling site if city property
5 . section Additional sign in residential zone—make sure these signs are covered under exempted sign
-----1•: tion and in definitions
6. Si_ age for Temporary Uses:41111111.mmy Use Section of Zoning Ordinance(25.23 and 25.24)a part that
-counts for indoor temporary sales with temporary or seasonal leases
7. Permitted Banners -Public Events: u .
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✓a. Location: Add info about event has to be held in Carmel
Sign area: Add"or smaller"
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• esign: Add structure info and drawing/photo to the Visual Guide
• opy: Add"date"to list of requirements
Time, /
tip Add"may be installed a maximum of 2 weeks for advertising purposes"
ii Add quarterly info ��I
March 29 Committee Meetin' summliiiiiiii- �/(Lk 611.4 !"
1. Remove any subjective languadoes n ot pertain tow�i s ,inane would allow, i.e."preferred"
2. Update Zoning Ordinance cha k : '• for -. .._ -
3. Change may/must to"shall"
4. Add a statement saying we encourage creativity for all sign types, not just one or two specific types
5. In the Projecting Signs page,add photos of larger signs(up to 20 sq. ft.)
6. Clarify for two sided signs that the square footage is calculated from one side of the sign,not both
7. Possibly clarify where types of signs would be allowed
8. Add illumination possibilities for all ground sign types
9. Provide some night-time pictures as examples
10. Perhaps make a"Changeable Copy"page
11. Illuminated window sign—show an example of a solid sign face
12. Tree/Sign Conflict—Add a statement regarding trees on public property vs. private property
13. Incorporate the following additional pages:
a. Logos
b. Lighting
c. Landscaping
May 1 Committee Meeting summary:
1, ,( elebratory Signs, i.e. birthday and anniversary of person or business can be classified a
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signs and could be put into the Exempt sign section. Discretion of Staff would be allowed to maintain
appropriateness and make sure persons do not abuse/overuse the sign type.
2. /Real Estate Signs,both Highway and Non-Highway were discussed,as well as how the signs seem to always be
\''' installed. It is a cycle of one space being leased and another opening up.
Construction Signs and the length of time they are displayed was discussed at length because they too seem to be
installed for a long time.
6/temporary Open House and Yard Sale signs(no fees)were discussed that would not require a permit.
..5! Miscellaneous Temporary Signs should be under exempt signs,not their own section.
6. /Large Event directional signs can continue to be approved by the Mayor through the Public Event sign permit
�/ rocess.
Umbrella Advertising can be considered exempt if less than three(3) square feet.This can be placed in the
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Exempted sign section of the Sign Ordinance.
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June 1 special) Committee Meeting summary: ' i 0$4(15
June
. the heights allowed of signs back into the sign chart. N a , ( I
Delete the freeway sign chart to . sion.
3. Possibly add in eli there is not a big jump between building frontages.
yThe proposed changes tote ress number chart were agreeable.
5/Eliminate Diagram 1, sign face separation zero degree minimum. Add statement to 60 degree maximum"to be
�/ nsidered one sign".
6 Eliminate Diagram 2 and replace with simple verbiage regarding having a real estate sign in the front half and
ack half of a lot.
7. 07.01-03: Administration and Enforcement letter D,call out which sections of the Ordinance where it is ok.
Reference City Code number for enforcement of signs.
0( 5.07.01-05: Exempted signs: add in previous discussed Misc. Signs sections where appropriate.
heck website reference for UMTCD.
11 5.07.01-06: Prohibited signs
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C.: Simplify o Y off premise signs are illegal and signs shall be removed when a business leaves or
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t : Remove"including digital, i.e. LED signs".
r. l .: Remove"have a major moving part"and"or electric air pressure"and substitute"natural or man-
made"after wind.
12. 5.07.01-07: Legal Non Conforming Signs: Take out report requirement and dates. Publish the list of remaining
legal non-conforming signs on the website.
Proposed Committee Meeting Schedule/Topics:
The proposed schedule for discussing the new Sign Ordinance is as follows:
1. June 27: Discuss new Definitions, "How to get a Sign" instructions for handout and website, and other
misc. comments
2. July 6: Distribute Redline version of new Sign Ordinance for review prior to August 7th Committee
3. August 7: Review all changes and send back to full PC for approval
4. August 21: Full Plan Commission for final review
Recommendation:
The Dept. of Community Services(DOCS)recommends that the Committee discusses this item and then continues it to
the August 7 Special Studies Committee meeting for further review&discussion.
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