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Carmel Board of Zoning Appeals
Hearing Officer
Monday, April 22, 2013 Meeting
5:30 p.m.
Caucus Rooms, Carmel City Hall
Present: Earlene Plavchak,Hearing Officer
Connie Tingley, Recording Secretary
Staff Members: Alexia Donahue-Wold, Planning Administrator
Rachel Boone, Planning Administrator
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Legal Counsel: John Molitor
Public Hearing:
I1. (V) Pete—Knight Pool, part of lots 17 &18 in Echo Crest Subdivision, Section 2.
The applicant seeks the following development standards variance approval for a new pool:
Docket No. 13030020 V ZO CH: 25.01.01B.3.a.ii Pool front yard setback on a corner lot.
The site is located at 11107 Echo Crest Drive W. The site is zoned R-1/Residence. Filed by Marge Mikels
with Pools of Fun, on behalf of the owners.
Present for Petitioner:
Randy Pete, owner and Marge Mikels,Pools of Fun
• In-ground pool on south side of their home on a corner lot
o Front of home faces Echo Crest
• 16 by 32 pool is near house with landscaping
o Plantings to block view from 111`" Street
Public Hearing closed.
Discussion:
• Will not have fence
• Will have automatic pool cover
• Fence-for dog area only
IDepartment Report:
Alexia Donahue-Wold
• Accessory uses are required to be setback 25 feet from the front
o This will be in front of the 25 feet setback
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o It will be 83 feet from 111h1 Street
o Significant vegetation around the pool
o Should not affect neighbors
Department recommended positive consideration
Action: Mrs. Plavchak APPROVED Docket No. 13030020 V,Pete-Knight Pool, for pool front yard setback
on a corner lot.
2-3. (V) Bibeau Residence, 411 W Main St.
The applicant seeks the following development standards variance approvals for a new home:
Docket No. 13040007 V ZO CH: 8.04.03.A 35 ft Min font yard setback, 15 ft and 25 ft
requested (corner lot)
Docket No. 13040008 V ZO CH: 8.04.03.F 35% Max lot coverage, 50% requested
The site is located at 411 W. Main Street and is zoned R-2/Residence. Filed by Justin Moffett with The Old
Town Design Group.
Present for Petitioner:
Justin Moffett
• New home on vacant lot
o Client purchased lot last Fall
• Existing gutted structure was demolished
• Front yard setback was discussed for this intersection
o Adjacent to Old Town Carmel
• More traditional, family homes west of site
• On compact roundabout
• Townhomes across street with zero front yard setback
• Single family residences to east, toward Monon, with shallow front yard setbacks
• Twelve to twenty feet setbacks for residences to east
o Discussion with Staff determined 15 feet front yard setback from edge of right-of-way
• Based on layout of site, structure will probably set back a little further than 15 feet
• Lot line is measured back of the sidewalk
• Still additional space between the curb and the unit
• Structure will be setback further than any of the other properties at the
intersection
• Setbacks relate to front yard and side yard along 4th Avenue SW
• Maximum lot coverage will include structure and pool (43.5% lot coverage)
o R-2 standard in underlying zoning is 35 % coverage
o Pool makes up a majority of that overage
o Notch taken out of corner of right-of-way for City's roundabout
• If lot squared off, would be closer to 35% coverage for other than pool
o Still drafting overall architectural concept
• Have floor plan client likes
• Working with Planning Staff on final elevations
• Will continue to seek Staff's input on architecture
o Need variances to move forward with site plan, floor plan and final elevations
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Carmel Board of Zoning Appeals
Hearing Officer Meeting
April 22, 2013
IRemonstrance:
James Duncan, owner of home west of parcel
• Unique lot
• Houses to west set back further from road
• Worried about line of sight being blocked
o Houses in next block are in same plane, closer to street
o Feels his view will be blocked by two or three story building
• Elevation changes along the area
• Not worried about amount of lot coverage
Mary Eckard, around corner
• Neighborhood group is watching what is going on in the neighborhood
o Feel front yard will be too far forward
® Needs to align with average setbacks of front yards
® House could be moved back because it would be next to a garage and not impede view
o Tremendous flooding in neighborhood
• Would like them to hold off on building pool until drainage is solved
® Flooding went almost from corner of 4th Street around onto Emerson for two to three
blocks
• Had never seen two feet of water there before
® r Some houses drain into other areas
® City has 18-inch pipe under street
• Water came from street and creek
• North side yard setback was reduced from 27 to 10.7 feet
o That is too close and nor norm for area
Charles Demler
• Compact roundabout
• Property already taken is gone and should not be taken into consideration for lot size
• Flood was 22 inches deep
o Spoken with Mayor, Council members and'Dave Huffman, Street Dept.
o Was addressed two years ago, but it did not solve problem
• Precedent has already been set; he could not do this
o Tried to expand his house in 1990
o Told he could not infringe on his neighbor's property line
o Had to cut size of structure
o Precedent set for neighborhood and should stay set
• Very compact lot
o With house too close, traffic will not be able to see around house
Chuck Ford
• • Neighborhood has met regarding becoming part of conservation district
I o Voted to move forward with that plan
® As part of conservation district, they could gain control of some of the perimeter
® Most of the homes in Johnson Addition are one-story homes with large yards
® Nice quiet neighborhood with comfortable yards to raise children
• This house appears to be a lot of house for a small lot(He had not seen design)
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• Felt they should be sensitive to neighborhood architecture and design
• 4th Street makes distinction between the new town development and Johnson and Wilson
subdivisions
• Desire as conservation district to preserve nature of neighborhood
• Walked neighborhood
o House across streets sets almost on roundabout
• Unseemly, does not complement existing area
Carol Schleif,member City Council for Southwest District, former Plan Commission member, Chair of
Preservation Commission
• Liked the project
o Two stories to the front; one story to rear adjacent to one story neighborhood
o Likes design; loves floor plan
• Concerned with front yard setback
o Looked at front yard setbacks on GIS map for immediate area
• Average line for couple blocks each direction
• Lot next door is 53 feet setback
• East side with historic homes is 30 feet±
• Exception is house on roundabout
o Front is not historic and was added later
o Original house does line up with rest of neighborhood
• Another councilor also felt they need to keep the integrity of Main Street
• Precedent in historic area
• These areas are considered historic if 50 years old
• As an architect, she took the drawings and tried to figure out how to get more room
o Move the house back on lot
o Maybe not front yard setback variance, but back yard and side yard setback variances
• Parcel to the rear has very small shed and garage
• Spacing would be more in keeping with neighborhood
• Issue of flooding is why there is 35% lot coverage
o Maybe hold off on pool and 8 feet concrete walk around
• Could get by with less than 8 feet for walk around and pool chairs
Rebuttal:
Justin Moffett:
• Appreciated public input
o Carol's plan has been helpful
• Would like to build as soon as possible
o Structure will be on Main Street for a long time
o Take time for more conversations regarding setbacks
• Sight line looking east from Mr. Duncan's property
o This property sets substantially lower (6 feet) than Mr. Duncan's
o A fallen down retaining wall between parcels
o Goal in roofline design was to not do a steep gable to keep the roofline down
o Traditional two-story might have 35 feet roof or 32 feet total peak
• Goal for hip roof to keep ridge line down; mitigating two-story structure
• Paid attention to his one-story height
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Carmel Board of Zoning Appeals
Hearing Officer Meeting
April 22, 2013
• Department of Engineering looks at flooding ongoing
o Every neighborhood in downtown Carmel had areas of flooding
o Does not feel an 8% differential in coverage will make in difference in flooding
o Department of Engineering will have opportunity to comment when applications are submitted
• Had no negative comments about the proposal
• Recently lot coverage was more defined in the City Zoning Ordinance
o Previous to change in Ordinance description, structures, garages, porches, and home were
considered areas of coverage
o Now the definition has been clarified to include anything impervious; sidewalks, driveways
o A lot of structures built in the 1960's through 1980's counted structures only
o Ordinance adjusted because of the lack of clarity
o R-2 Zoning was put in place many years ago
o Each parcel is looked at on a case by case basis
• Planning Staff supports this request because it is not out of line with what has been done
in the area
• Old Town has 50-100 percent coverage on some lots
• Not suggesting that is appropriate
• But a pool or driveway in the older neighborhoods was never counted in the
maximum lot coverage
• Different rules from the past; each new property/development is looked at with a new set of eyes
• This property sets topographically lower than any properties around it
o It sets at street level
o Properties moving south and west all set up higher
o Pool would not cause this property to flood out onto other properties; it would be other way
o All storm water flows to the streets; not the properties
• Mrs. Eckard mentioned north side setback
o He thought she meant east side setback which is 10.7 feet
o Zoning Ordinance calls for 5 feet minimum setback
• Mr. Ford stated they have a very distinct neighborhood west of this parcel
o This parcel is unique being on Main Street and busy roundabout
o Architecture will probably be a hybrid between the two areas
o Transitional piece of property
o More appropriate to look right on Main Street, than ranch style homes in neighborhood
® Will be a landmark on Main Street
▪ As area develops, more appropriate to fit Main Street
• Appreciates Carol's comments
o Structure on southeast corner of roundabout is really on the roundabout
® It is not a good comparison; it is 2 feet off property line
o This parcel will have 15 to 20 feet between the property line and corner of house
• Property line is not edge of curb; there is grass outside of that
o Setback on 4`" Street will be 25 feet between structure and edge of right-of-way
• Edge of right-of-way is not the curb
• Significant buffer from roundabout
• Is there a middle ground between requested front yard setback and setbacks of properties to the west?
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Carmel Board of Zoning Appeals
Hearing Officer Meeting
April 22,2013
Discussion:
• Open to house being pushed back from Main Street
o Need to look at R-2 standards for rear yard setback
• Might need variance for rear yard setback
o Had met with both neighbors to south
• Did not know if they were for or against these variances
• Seemed to appreciate plans, no negative comments
• Liked two-story structure at front and transition to one-story in back
• Did not know if they would have a concern if house pushed to back
o Tree line along south is not very healthy
• Neighbor might have less resistance to reduced rear yard setback if vegetation added
• Petitioner would like to table the variances
o Get more precise measurements on adjacent properties
o More conversations with neighbors
• First time to hear concerns
Department Report:
Alexia Donahue-Wold
Department in favor of project
• Had not heard any comments until this meeting
• Some areas of Main Street have zero setbacks
• Property is staying residential
• Setback is less than required by Ordinance; giving urban character
• Pushing it back would require separate variance
o Do not know if neighbors to rear would be opposed
Discussion:
• Porch is eight feet deep with offsets in front elevation
o Majority of roofline starts at 30 feet; 28 off edge of right-of-way
o Structure is shown as 17 feet off front right-of-way line
• Eight of it is single story porch
o It is 25 feet off right-of-way
• Two-story structure is not jammed into 1.5 feet front yard setback
• May need hybrid between front and rear yard setbacks
• Maybe 25 feet for front and move rear back
• This item can continue at Hearing Officer meeting; regular or special meeting to resolve
o Staff can determine date
o For continuity, Mrs. Plavchak will be Hearing Officer
o Not required to send another public notice for these two variances
o A new variance filing would require another notice
Action: TABLED Docket Nos. 13040007 V and 13040008 V, Bibeau Residence to a date to be determined.
4. (V) Ed Martin Buick GMC —Signage
The applicant seeks the following development standards variance approval:
Docket No. 13040012 V ZO Ch.25.07.02-03 B 1.—Sign not facing public right-of-way: north (1
proposed,0 allowed)
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Hearing Officer Meeting
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The site is located at 9896 N. Michigan Rd. and is zoned I-1/Industrial within the US 421 Overlay Zone.
Filed by George Small, AIA of Design Point, Inc. on behalf of Ed Martin.
Present for Petitioner:
. George.Small, Design Point, Inc. and Dan Chapel, Construction &Facilities for Ed Martin
O Sign on north for "Service" since 2007
O GMC rebranding program mandates signs
o Requiring "Certified Service"
o Making this sign compliant with GMC requirements
Public Hearing closed.
Department Report:
Rachel Boone:
O Variances received in 2006 for other signs (Ed Martin, Pontiac, Buick, GMC)
o Proposed and withdrew variance for this north-facing sign
Installed anyway
o This variance will make it a legal sign
O Thirty-three square feet meets size requirement
O Does not exceed number of signs
O Variance needed because sign not facing right-of-way
O New signs approved last year with arch considered one sign (Buick & GMC)
o Four sign variances from 2006 will take into account this extra sign on north
Department recommended positive consideration
Action: Mrs. Plavchak APPROVED Docket No. 13040012 V, Ed Martin Buick GMS—signage for sign not
facing public right-of-way: north (1 proposed, 0 allowed).
Adjournment
The Hearing Officer adjourned the meeting at 6:14 p.m.
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