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Home My WebLink AboutMinutes SS 06-26-131 1 1 City of Carmel Carmel Plan Commission SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE Wednesday, June 26, 2013 Meeting CAUCUS ROOMS, 2°d FLR CARMEL CITY HALL ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL, IN 46032 6pm Members Present: Kevin Rider, Michael Casati, Alan Potasnik, Steve Lawson, Sue Westermeier Staff Members: Plan Administrator Rachel Boone, Director Mike Hollibaugh, Intern Claire Bowers, Secretary Lisa Motz, Legal Council John Molitor, Mike McBride — Director of Engineering The Special Studies Committee met to consider the following items: 1. Docket No. 13040001 Z: Primrose Preschool of West Carmel. 2. Docket No. 13040002 DP /ADLS: Primrose Preschool of West Carmel. The applicant seeks approval to rezone 3 out of 4 lots from S-1/Residence to B -3/ Business. All four lots make up 2.25 acres and are a part of the North Augusta Subdivision, Lots 63 -66. The applicant also seeks site plan and design approval for a new preschool. The site is located at 3746 W. 98`h Street. It is currently zoned S- 1/Residence and B -3 /Business, within the US 421 Overlay Zone. Filed by Steve Hardin, Esq. of Faegre Baker Daniels, LLP on behalf of Primrose Schools. Petitioner Steve Hardin, Mark Pavy, Roger Kilmer, Brandon Burke • EIFS on the dormers and front eave of building has been changed to siding • Removed shutter on double windows on color rendering • Photometric plan problem has been solved by relocating a light pole Staff Comments Rachel Boone • Petitioner has addressed all our comments • EIFS change is a good alternative • The double windows look better without the shutters • Dunkin Donuts and gas station will be across street • Will be 2 points of access at Dunkin Donuts site • Sidewalks vs paths? Sidewalk is sufficient at this early stage in development of the area • Access to site? Not concerned at this time • Safety of children and proximity to US421 — the Dept. is confident the Petitioner took safety measures into consideration when choosing this location. • Recommend positive consideration to full plan commission for approval Committee Comments Sue Westermeier • How many children? 184 kids at this site 1 • 184 at Carmel Drive location as well Public Comments Jean Brown • Traffic concerns • Semi's and school buses can't pass each other • Semi's delivering to businesses down the street • Streets are too narrow Mark Pavey of Primrose Schools? • School will have small buses • Same route taken even day Committee Comments Alan Potasnik • Not a major traffic generator Steve Lawson • Percentage of roof? Breakup the plane of the roof with dormers. Public Comments Alanna Holt 3726 W. 98th • Traffic flowing down Commerce after project is complete • Lots of children and parents waiting at busstops • Residential area but will have business traffic Alan Potasnik motions to send to Plan Commission with positive recommendation, Steve Lawson. seconds. . . 3. Docket No. 13040021 Z: Atapco Redevelopment PUD Rezone. The applicant seeks approval to rezone 34.13 acres of Carmel Science & Technology Park (Blocks 8 & 13) to PUD /Planned Unit Development, for residential, office, and commercial uses. The site is located at 630 & 645 W. Carmel Dr. and is currently zoned M -3 /Manufacturing. Filed by Charlie Frankenberger of Nelson & Frankenberger, P.C. Petitioner: Charlie Frankenberger, Jon Dobosiewics, Ron Snyder, Dave Lazas, Hardin Shah, Alyssa Prazeau, Alen Fetahagic • Future Committee Meetings will be as follows: 1. June 26th meeting Traffic and Revised Concept Plan 2. Aug 6th meeting — PUD Ordinance 3. Sept 3rd meeting - Red Line PUD and summary of revisions 4. Return to Plan Commission September 17th Hardik Shah — Traffic Study • Scenario 1 - Existing conditions, Scenario 2 - Current plan (proposed plan in front of us today) and Scenario 3 - M -3 zoning plan (current zoning classification) • Vehicles per day: 2720, 7195, 8835 respectfully • Alan — making sure public understands 3 scenarios • Charlie — confirmed scenarios • Collected traffic counts at all intersections for both am and pm peaks • Evaluated each traffic intersection and graded by level of service A -F • Less than 10 sec of wait time = A, 10 -25 sec = B, 25 -35 sec = C, longer than 60 -80 sec = F • Phase 1 A — Multi Family Apartment • 1500 vehicles at peak for intersection of Carmel Drive and Clark Street 2 • Dedicated exclusive right turn lane will be added • Phase 1B — Office Building • Level of service B at both locations • Phase II — Office /Apartment • Delay of 15 -25 sec coming in and out of development • We are meeting level of service • Traffic counts at 7 -8 am and 4 -5 pm Charlie Frankenberger • Traffic studies study the traffic flow and levels of service — amount of delay • Studies delay at am peak and pm peak — worst time of am and pm • Levels of services are determined for left turn, right turn, signalized and not signalized • Stacking is about 3 vehicles on Clark Street and Carmel Drive and 73 sec of delay Alan Potasnik • Major increase of traffic from scenario 1 — 2 • Level of service can change do to people altering their route due to bad levels of service at intersections Charlie Frankenberger • Change in alternative trips would not have a significant effect due to amount of traffic that would change Alan Potasnik • Will roads be altered to accommodate traffic levels? Yes - Taking away from developers land to increase roadway width. Hardik Shah • Study was done in April during peak times and days (peak days are Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday ?) Steve Lawson • Choose 3 different times of pm to determine the worst peak time • Most intersections are at current level of service is B/B — C at worst Sue Westermeier • Exactly which intersections will be reconstructed? Carmel Dr and Clark Street Michael Casati • Median on City Center Drive? Will be narrowing it to install turn lane Hardik Shah • Exit out of Timber Creek — Engineering Dept is working on solution — landscaping is an issue and blocks sight line Mike McBride • Routine maintenance of landscaping • Sending someone out to cut by next week Steve Lawson • Connect apartments to office parking lot so people can exit and enter from Guilford Jon Dobosiewicz • Addressed staff comments and will continue to meet with staff to complete list of questions • Connection between apartments and office in Phase II — will reduce traffic at intersection of Clark and Carmel Drive • Angled parking at north office bldg to provide building closer to road — max of 1 row of parking, max set back to meet PUD requirements • On street parking along Clark Street 3 • Clark Street will be widened — not adequate now • 40 ft landscape buffer at south side of Phase II • 30 ft tree preservation Staff Comments Rachel Boone • Staff is making sure that what we see on the concept plan is what we see in the PUD Ordinance • Biggest concern is to get what we see in the concept plan because of issues with past PUD ordinances • Next meeting we will go over what's left on list of questions Jon Dobosiewicz • Questions to staff then to petitioner — Committee please read and get any questions to staff Public Comments Leslie Selden - Timber Creek • Exit from apartments onto Clark Street, only exit? No — 4 different entrances and exits • City Center Drive change — an additional left hand turn lane? Yes, and also right hand decal lane added • Level of service for un- signaled intersection — same amount of seconds as a signalized intersection? • Dates of traffic study — March, April and May — need Petitioner to provide dates in April — to make sure it was not done during Spring Break • When will this happen (be built) if all goes as planned? 2nd qtr of 2014 for Phase l A, 3 -5 years for Phase 1B and II. Phase lA to take about 18 months. Karen Todd — Carmel Station • How did you do the traffic count? I didn't see anyone or anything. Used video cameras and people physically counting. • Did survey of other apartment complexes in Carmel — City Center, Lakes of Carmel — have one entrance in and out — works fine. Mike McBride — have limited amount of access to roads to make entrances JDean Cordova — Carmel Station • Levels at City Center Drive? How can it be a B with amount of volume? Fewer trips coming in and out of apartments • Did anyone consider cut thru of Carmel Station? No, because it is not a favorable for exiting area Deborah Kisch — Carmel Resident • Saw traffic counter and called police • Traffic was slow that morning • Traffic was backed up in front of entrance of Timber Creek • Landscaping is a major issue Vincent Euptinger — Timber Creek • Issue getting out of complex • What type of rental apartments are proposed? — They will be high end, similar to other new apartments in Carmel. They will NOT be section 8 Howard Fielden — Timber Creek • Turn lane on City Center Drive — where will it come from? Median will be reduced Christie Fowler — Timber Creek • Left turn lane on Carmel Drive in front of bunker building (will be added ?) • Traffic study during lunch hours 4 1 1 1 • Concerned about entrance and exits being across from each other Unknown Gentlemen — Carmel Station • Is concerned about traffic flow thru Carmel Station where many residents park on street Jack Jenkins — Timber Creek • Concerned about exiting Timber Creek Leah Jenkins — Timber Creek • Larger vehicles can see better when exiting Timber Creek Phyllis Graver — Timber Creek • Had 2 close calls coming out of entrance • Entrance to current Atapco building • Times that traffic count was occurred? 4 -5pm • How many apts in Phase IA? — 284 Phase 113 - 110 Unknown Lady — Carmel Resident • Close Clark Street and City Center Entrance? No, that will not help traffic flow. Meeting adjourned. ', 1 4/A- if -1( (;*)- Lisa Motz cretary 5 evin Rider Chairman File: SS- 2013- 0626.doc