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? TECFiIYIC�L �DVISORY �ETL'`tG
January 27, 1993
Committee Members P,.resenr. Rick Brandau, Terry 7ones, Mike Hollibau�h, and David
Cunningham with Dept: oB Comm. Development; David Ortel; Hamiiton Counry Health Dept.;
Steve Cash, Hamilton Counry Surveyor's Office; Jerry.Lowe and Lu.4nn Stephens, Carmel Clay
Communicarions Center; 7ohn B. South.and Tom Schellenberger„Hamilton Counry SoiI 3c Water
Conservauon Disrrict; Greg ?vleeks, Carmel Police Deparcmear,;Raady Powell, Carmel'Engineer's
Office; Steve vfelboume and Les Locke, Hamilton County Highway Dep"artment; John Duffy,
Carmel Ciry Urilides; and Staniey Puckert, Carmel Fi;e Depaztment
Iauoducrion by Terry Jones: Meedngs are presentiy scheduled for the fourth Wednesday of
every month. The goal is to have,input and quesrions answered before projects come to public
hearing.
John South commented that:public comments should not be taken li�ahdy because.they sometimes
see things that ihe committee does not, and that these commenu should be heard and addressed.
Terry stated that the burden would be on the DOCD and TAC secretary to see that the minutes
adequately ieflect those comments and that they are, ia tum; followed up by die DOCD.
Raady Eoweil said thaf comments from the public regarding drainage aze very important because
the public may be aware.of a pazticulu problem that has not yetbeea discovered by the proper
Agenry.
Jerry Lowe stated that each of the committee memben has individual concerns that need to be
addressed and this Committee is the'place to e�cpress those concerns, but quesrioned whether or
not the public should.be heard az this particulaz meeting!rather than those commircees thaz are set
to deal with the public. Communicarion's main concem was with duplicadon of street names.
Randy responded that he also did not think the public should appear at the 'IAC meerings for
questians-and comments.
'ferry Jones said thaYifthere is a direct question from the public that does:relate to.a technical
aspect, the DOCD wilf ask that the appropriate,department redress the issue so that responses
could be.made�at'Subdivision.Co�aminee.
The TAC meerings aze not publicly nodced although they,,aze open to the public. It is hoped that
by'having the TAC meerings prior to Plan Commission meering, technical issues will be resolved
rarher than haying to deai with the sociai or poliricai problems or questions brought up by
memben of the pubiic.
Randy Powell stated tharthere are a aumber of depamnenu that interact on any given project,
and�meerings must'be set>up so that all enrities are fieard
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Dave Cunningham talked about establishing sequence of avenu; tha[ approximately 30 days pnor
to a TaC meeung, each commi¢ee member should receive informarion on icems and have 30
days to review and respond in wriring so that when the project comes before the T:aC, radser than
functianing �s a review committee, rime will be.spent going over checklisted items to make sure
that they have been addressed. By the rime a project goes to public hearing, ail technicdl aspecu ,
should be met, othenvise the TAC committea would say it should be tabled The periaoner
should be awaze and ready to respond to items at the TAC meedng.
Terry 7ones brought out concem that what one agenry might be requestin� wouid be a direct
contradicrion or violarion for another.
Dave Cunningham responded that there would be at least 20 days for the peririoner to address
items chaz would srill be oucstanding.
Terry Jones said that there will be peririoners that will be provided a Docket No. but will appear
at TAC meedng without having met the necessary requiremenu; at that point, the
recommendarion from TAC to the Plan Commission will be to table the project
Dave also said that there will be projects wherein the DOCD wiil not be sendiag items to certain
agencies because it would be inappropriate for one.reason or another, i:e. outside township lines,
inside city limiu, on sewer, etc. At the time a peririoner comes into DOCD, he will be �ivea a
list of TAC members with those agencies circled or highlighted that need to receive plans. After
review letten go out, any revised plans should be sent to the TAC committee and comment at
that time. If plans meet with an agency's approval, a simple form letter would be needed for the
file.
Attendance by pertinent agencies is vital.
Tom Schellenberger,sug�ested that the DOCD require submission of good plans or the plans
should not be accepted Ihis will help sneamline the process.
Dave Cunningham requested that each depamnent be an zxpert in iu own field The consensus
was that uulities should be at meerings, but only in an advisory capaciry as it relates to their
paraculaz agency. Urility easemenu should be worked out between the utility aad the developer
and only that recommendation needs to appear in the minutes. Ihe Plan Commission will be
receiving minutes of the TAC meetings and will be looking at the recommendauons made by this
Committee.
I NORTHVIEW CHRISTIAN LIFE CHURCH
The pearioner is seefcin� aoproval (Special Use) to consauct a aew facilirv located on the
south side of 131st Street approximately one-hal£ mile e�t of Gray Road. Filed by Jim
Nelsan for the Northview Chrisrian Life Church.
Periuoners present: Jim Nelson, attomey, and Brent Davis, CSO Architects.
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� Norihview Christian,LiYe Church owns the 30 acre parcel locatedsoutfi of:and adjacen� *o [3Ist
�Street, and directly east of ufd adjacent:ro $adger Field Dad'S Club P,ark. Vorthview Chrisuan
Life Ghurch intends ro constructaa new"church on Z0 acres of the°overalt parcel which is zoned
Scl Residence Districs. Under the current zoning cl�ssifcarion, a churcti is a special use. A
special'use application has been filed wi[h the:Boacd.of Zoning Xppeal§ and will be presented
at the February 22 meefing.
Brent Davis showed a proposed site;pian: A new entr�nce is proposed into the site at the crest
of the hill to.allow for marimum visibility to see and be;seen from east and west direcuons: The
s7tucture is approximately Sd;000 square feet gross containing sanctuary; narthe.�c, ciassrooms and
admi.nistrative ,areas. There will be parking for approximately 450 cars Ihere wi11 be
Jandscaping around the buiiding and around the'Phase I development.
Commenu:
- Communicarions^Center verified that:there wilt:6e!no streets in the development; address
presently assi�ned to thd church:is 5535 East :13Yst,S�eet.
-Mike,Hoilibaugh expiessed concem of.neieh6or regarding the driveway, (caz headlighu
affecting neigtibor's property), screeniag, and''bufferiag.
- Counry Surveyor,Steye Cash>received response;letter.; The only question is one of off-
site diainage,,concem: of erosion: Drainage is undefined as So where it goes_
- Soil '& Water Conservarion recommended a storm pipe, ;o Mitchner drain to Iessen
problem: If road.improvements aze to be made, azea needs to be "beefed up." Swail 100
year elevauon;needa to be marked,on,plans; inore work needs to be done re: erosion
conaoi, whatwiil be installed when, contractorto provide input:
- Engineer's office, Steve Cash and John South to meet and discuss. Tim Nelson to get
in touch with; Steve Casti fo continue discussion.
- Highway Deparnnent; no comments.
-'�iiy Enginee�Randy�PnKiell_ _Projectmust-gain.EPW fDC apprnvalnf_sanitart.se�uer
aat potab[e wacer, comineicial curb cuts"and entcance. Details for sanirary sewer ro be
worked out., Enginee�s office-has'.noryet received �evised diainage plans or calcularions.
No comment on status of•diainage.
II Se�I.SBERY BROTF�RS LANDSCAPNG
Petiuonerris:seeking approval (LTse Uariance) to expand,an existing [andscaping and garden center
located;on theisouth side of 146[h;:S[reet, appro�cimately one-half mile west of Gray Road Filed
by Dave Coots,for Saisbe .ry Brothen Landscaping.
Preseat wete Dave Se:cton and'7oann Schmarza, Landscape ?.rchitect. Dave Coots preseated the.
following: The petirioner, is requesring a new use variance for Parcel B� 'and the.house and
surrounding are3 The landscape company� office and. desi�n studio wiIl be moved from the
existing bars=on the south end;,of Parcei B'to the,house: .Some of;ihe area,surrounding;the hoise
will"be asphalted for13 pazking;spaces: Dave Se:cton will be compuring drainage calcdlarions �s
to,any increased runoff. Drainage; which is minimal at present,: feeds iato the �fifc4nez drain.
There is noiretenrion';proposed•forthe site; presently there is no off=site,draina�e. '`Phepedrioner
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has agreed to a waives of annecanon.
In regazd to a developmental standards variance, the peationer is requesring chat he be allowed
to install decorative- ember for curbing rather than poured-in-place concrete. Ttie landscaped
ground sign meets cunent siga ordinance which is located out of the rightof-way. The peririoner
has agreed to dedicate an additional 40 foot half road right-of-way for purposes of 146th Scree[.
A fence will be installed in conjunction with the landscaping.
C01�L�IENTS:
- Communicarions, LuAnn Stephens, asked forverific3rion of the properry address.
- Hamilton Counry Surveyor, Steve Cash, via �Iike Hollibaugh, had two requests:
drainage calculauons to be fumished and permit for discharge to �litchnez drain be
approved.
- County Highways, Steve vlelbourne said plans were just received on Friday. Right-of-
way was to be 50 feet Any part of drive in right-of-way is to be paved. A'eed an
enuance.detail; �sking for 75 foot decei lane and two tapers bued on volume of 146th
Street. One drive is being requested into the property. (house azea) One tree is being
requested cut down because it blocks vision.
- Soil & Water Conservarion, John South requested informarion regazding draina�e
caicularions and whether or not drainage ditch extends into Salsbery p�operty: Tom
Schellenberger asked what haQpens to,drainage when it Ieaves Salsbery property and runs
across Albenon properry. Future drainage needs to be addressed.
- City Engineers, Randy Powell, said'site is served by well and sepric ai present
- Carme! Fise Dept., Stan Puckettstated that there aze nvo fire hydianu on site.
Dave Coots stated that the address for the, house is 4305 and the btisiaess is 4317 East 146th
Street. The permit applicarion was to be fonvarded to i�Ii�. Coots. Addiuonal' impiovements to
146th Sueeraze not contemplated at'this dme; deeds to discuss with Les Loc!ce.
Dave Cunningham stated thaz the e:d'sring :comp plan calls for a 75 foot one-half or to match
exisdng dedicated right-of-way which is 40 feet. Reiterated that Dave Sexton needs to get with
Steve Cash and Les Locke to iron out drainage and the six items outlined in Surveyor's Ietter.
III BUTLER TOYOT?� (Not Represented)
PeriIIOner is seeking reapproval (Special Use) to construct an automobile body rapair-'facility in
the floodplain azea along Cool Creek. The site is located on the east side of Ran�eline Road
approximately one-quarter mile north of 136th Stteet. Filed by Toby Buder.
COMI�fEV'PS:
- DOCD reported"that the Special Use �ranted by BPW in L990 has since e:tpired and
must be re-approved. DNR appro"val has been obtained in the area; flood plane is OK.
Butlez Toyora is proposing to buiid a building'thac is not above the 2 foorflood-elevarion.
Buder will be adding an enclosed 32X48 addirion to �ansport cazs froca 6ne buil +c.in� to
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ihe fIoodp(ain ares along; Cool, Creek<. The;site is located on fhe east side of Rangeline Road
zpprox_imately, one=quarter m�lz nor[!i of 136cti St�eet Filed by To6y Builec..
CONiME?vTS: •
- DOCD ieporied' that the•Special'Use �ranted by BPW in 1990 h�s�since expired and
must be re-approved. DNR`approval h�s been obtained in the area; flood plane is OK
, Butler Toyota is proposing to+build:a'.buiIding that is not above the 2 foot t�ood elevaaon.
Butler will' be,adding an enclosed 32Y48 addirion to transport cars,from one buildin� to
anorher.
- Garmel Fire Dept, Stan Puckett stated that:the.,preseni hyd{ant�pn Ran�eline Road is
OK,-But when Butler builds the;lazger building to the north, an addirional fiie hydrant will
be required—Buder has agreed
[V LOT 94 WOODFIELD REPLAT
Item WITfIDRAWN
V STONEIiENGE SECTION 1 SECONDARY PLAT "
Peurioner seeks approva! (Secondary Plai) to plat 76 lou on 62.35 acres of landlocated on the
aorth side of 106ih Street, appcoximately one-half mile west of Town Road: Filed by Terry
Quillman.
Terry Quillman presented the follo.wing for TAC reyiew: ,
I'erry has Primary Plar and Phase I construcrion documents for,revi8w: The;-Primary Plat has
been correaed to move the:road'and.the enuance. The cerrifc_cate of'acceptance and subdivider
3greement'form have not`been received by DOCD as yet Terry Quillman has-agreed to two street
xees pez lot, aithough these may be clustered Brick Paving maintenance will be detailed and
inciuded;in covenanu.
COMbIE�TI'S:
- Counfy Highways, Les Locfce sfated that;there are ry,pes and sizes of trees thar aze not
allowed in ihe ria,Ht-of-way: Les Locke's:deparnnehrwill notrecommend approval ofthe
streeu with trees any greater than four inches mature,in, diameter that now, or in the
future; biock "site, distances at intersecdons of 200'/300'. P,hase II utility easement not
reviewed�by hi�liways. Cannot;review�and;:;make agenda before next>meetia�. Mailboxes
are a toncern,on the main..artery,—would g;efer they be moved off main line: '
- Soil & Water Coaservation, John ,South recommended�a sedimeat basin for ezosion
controi. Erosioff:con�ol plan is beyond requirement; Need more silt fence along 106ih
Street and' b"erter 'sequencing "of erosion control, sea; yard easement, �ourlet control
stzucture.
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- Communicarions, Jerry Lowe quesrioned the height of street signs and where che number
is located for 911 purposes.
- RECOM.�DIDATION: Table for one month.
VI WIiIDE_�RE Secrions 3, 4, & 5 Stcondary Plau
Petitioner seeks approval (Szcondary Plat) to plat 58' lots on 42.65 aczes of land located on'the
south side of 106th Street, approx. one-half mile west of Di[ch Road. Filed 6y Steve Wilson.
Dennis Olmstead:ofStoeppelwecth.& rissoc. felt that most comments have been addressed. No
response as yet from County Highway Departiaenr or:Fiie Depaitment: Preced"ent and details
were pretty much set in fint 2 Sections which cacried'over into these three sections. There is no
frontage on counry roads, so there should be no pioblem, they aze all intenor streeu.
In response to ��Iike Hollibaugh's letter regazding the plat, Dennis Olmstead made the'following
statements:
The centerline monuments wece shown in their respecttye locations according to the
legend that was shown; these have not been labeled as yet, but will be on the,final p[at.
A subdivider agreement will be obtained.
In regazd to Soil Conservarion: T'here aze.mature,tr�°s in all three sections; if trees were.
wanted on some lou, this should have been discussed during the first two sections.
Currendy, it is anricipated thas only a limited number of trees will be remov"ed to make
way forthe streeu and houses. .
Ia response to the surveyods comments, drainage'faciliries, calcularions--no swails with
less than 1% slope on properry. Cascings are shown in cfiart on;grading plan. Fence post
idearificarion marker has been added for each lot; drainage basin's engineer's estimate,
record e3sement and bond with peririon forregulated drains will be done.
In regazd to erosion control in Secrion 3 along the west property line, there has been a
pipe installed and an erosion connol fence as well as a berm and swail behind lots 39 and
45 with a minimum T foot benveen.
COMIfENTS:
- Soil & Water Consecvation,John South stated ihat all commenu have been addressed.
- Carmel Fire Deparanent, S[an Puckett. Will ceview plans this week and get back to
Dennis Olmstead.
- Communicarion, Lu:4nn Stephens. Asked whether or not street names continued on
from first secrion, answer yes.
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Towne Crossin� Primarv Plac Pe�itioner s�_k"s ippro�al (Primar.� P!at) to pla: :- !ocs cn !°.S
acres;o`f land' located on thc norh side of'9orh S[re_:; approx. one=quacter mi:= _s. of Ta«na
Road Filed' 6y Ro�er Ice`sslai:
Pzes"ent were Lynne Tidd'and Roger Kessler.of Towne Development, Inc. Also present
was' Dennis, Olmstead of Stotppelwerfh &: �ssoc: who presented the foltowing:
Commencs have°been received! from all agencies: Regarding the highway commenu, no
agreement was reached. The applicanr h�s agreed zo 'meec°with Les Locke of Counry
Highway prior to the,public hearing.
The Developer will,resize Fitch and Jessup,pipe foc 1ega1 drain: 'I'he storm calcularions _
are not yet finished
CONf�NTS:
- Counry Highway Dept:,Steve Melbo'ume. The counry, iscrequiring 60 feet of one-half
rir�,ht-of-way bec3use of current thoroughfaie,plans. The 35' cut is being requested
because of the fact that 96th Street is a major street.
Terry Joaes said that:tkiis is the;fiist ;time this has been submitted for primary p[at approval,
al;hougfi.it fias been "submitted.for re-zone. The'�primary plat comes under closer esaminarion
than a reione: This needs to',be worked out betweea,the developer and the Counry Fiighway and
a cesponse to the DOCD beiore Plan Commission Meering.
- Soit & Water Conservauon, John South expressed concem regazding drainage from
north; overland:flow royted through pipes and;;discharged.od surface. Tfiere is a sizabie
Watershed area which will have to be dealf wiili ax owne�'s expense. Kanf Ward shares
commenu. Ihis couid be a major expense for the owner/developer and he needs to be
aware of ic
- Carmei Fire Department;'Stan.Pucicett stated,ihe Chief has approved main and hydrant
locanons.
- Communications,Lurinn Stephens stated To�vne Crossing could not use the streec name
"r311ison Lane" because of duplicarion. The applicant agreed to change.
Mike Ho(libaugh, commented•ahat he did not agree with �It. Oimstead's comments
regarding aQproval of accel and decel lanes. If rigIit-of-'way doesn't e.eist a]ong 9brh
Scree;, Roger Kessler will 6e tequired to apply for a variance for the required accel and
decei lanes. This must 6e detennined prior to the public hearing.
VIII CORNERSTONE 'PI:�CE PRIMARY PLAT
Petirionerseeks approval (Pnmary;Plat) to plat 26'lots on-9.27 acres.of land locaced on the west
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side;�of Central Xvenue, approx. 400 feet north of 1'06th Street. Site is zoned R-1 and R--k
residence disvicn. Eiled by Viike Kzen
Stan.-Neal of'Wzihe Engineen presented the following<foc developez ?�fike Keen.
Yazds will ,be graded:�in;accordance with, develoQmenf plans by builder/develooer. In regard to
detenuon area, codenanu wiil contain language to ensnre no filling or anyrhing built ia detention
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Stan tieal will check with F�ent Ward far determinanon re�arding dumping water onto Pam
Road for retention.
COMIv1E*ITS:
- Communicarions, None.
- County Surveyor. See lerter of January 26, 1993; reaz yazd detenrion and iequest for
cross section.
- Soil & Conservation, John South said hq was not crary about retenrion basin--conczete
gutters will heip, each lot has access to subservicesubsurface drain. The squaze foocage
on lot 23 in inaccurate.
- Carmel Fire Depazunent, ao comment.
Terry Jones ,requesfed subdivision covenanu regazding detention azea.
IX R & D SUBDMSION PRIMARY PLAT
Pedrioner seeks approval (Primary Plat) to plat 3 lou on1.17 acres of laad located at 108tli and
McPherson, Clay Township. The site is zoned R-3, filed by Dan Chapman.
Stan Neal of Weihe Engineers presented the following for the periuoner, Dan Chapman`. Of
primary concern on this particulaz project is drainage. The drainage on MePhecson Street runs
north and drains back to the east and into inleu at Lexington Farms. On this specific site;
drainage runs ta the southeast into tfie old inner-urbaa �act line right-of-way. The inlet at
Lexington Farms picks up the water. None of the water from this specific site goes into the sump
area Dan Chapman and StanNeal have beea'ia discussion with the County Attomey, as yez the
solurion has not been worked out
Terry Jones stated that the right-of-way azea wonid either be accepted by the Counry, the plat
would have,to be revised, or a variance would have to be requested.
COIvIIvIE1VTS:
- Soil & Water Conservarion, John South asked aliout a potenual wefland on site and
noted a culdert did not appear on a driveway in plans: Stan Neal agreed Co double-check
the maQ in regazd to a wetlazid; the cnlvert was left off the plans iaadvertently. Terry
Jones to get with John South.
- County Surveyor, quesrion regazding status of PSI easement.
- DOCD Terry Jones responded that the PSI easement is not being built on, that it is
potential wetlands; John South and Terry will try to work out a solurion. Inner-LTrban
Track has been vacated and that area will not be built on. East boundary needs to be
better delineated 'on plans. Terry also �mentioned the letter from area resident iNlick
Widmeyer regarding flooding and drainage.
John South of Soil & Water Conservauon; addressed the drainage issue and talked. with
remonsaators present. A biock grant was used to finance the Homeplace Phase I Drain.
Appazently there=has not been a serious push by azea,residenu to put drainage issue at the top
of Surveyor's list.
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' ' Stan: �ieal re�orted tfiat certa.inly, the draina�e 3ies had not be�n addressed :or !ac'.: ot, need.
Iheie is a definite•probizcn, b'ut area residenu"would 6e assessed 5=,000/S3,OOO per lot to *eouiid
the legal drain. I'he situaqon would require a pedrion from the residents of the azea to get the
' ball ;olling.
X.GREEPI PASTURES PRIMARY PL�T
Eetitioner seeKs approvai�(Primary`P,lat) to plar 3' lofs on 1.69 acies of land located,at 110th and
Comell„Clay Township. The site is ioned R-3 residence dis�ict; Filed by Dan Ghapman_
Stan Neal of Weihe Engineen piesented the .following for. Dan Chapman, Developer: The
developer plans to build doubles on the property. One of the issues has been dzainage. As you
proceed north on the propecry; water�f;om Comell' drains to the north,up to 1 l lth Street to an
underground-storm sewer which�drains#o the east.into:Lexington Farms. No water drains to the
wesL^or south; there are exisang storm sewers along ithe easr p;operty line of these lots. The
• surveyor's o�ce repor[s that there"is a sub-sucface drain that oufleu could be hooked into on the
Lexingfon Farms easement. There will"be wells on site=no C.iry water, there,will also be sanitary
sewers. Setbacks on the,houses were a,quesrioa-the proposed doubles will aot sei any closer
to Cornell than the existing hou§e does, approximately 70 feet. As ofnow, there aze no plans
to do any building to the back of Lot one (T), almost:an acre.
COMIv1EEIVTS`.
- Gounty Hi�way, letter of 12-29-92. Sanitary sewer shouid be moved east to the
diainage' easement Onginal plat needs to 6e provided for lots 29 and 30. Finai grade
elevation needs to be done: for drainage; $taa Neal will: meet with Les Locke.
Driveway culverts need'to be shown on plans.
- Soil & Conservation, 7ohn 'South, sazd roadside ditches needed to be improved. Area
neighbon were in attendance and were asked where perceived di�ainage problems are.
Terry. Jones recommended:that the neighbo;s talk witfi ICent Wazd, :County Surveyor, regarding
their'drainage questions.
The meering was adjoumed at 4;00 PM.
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FeDruary 19, 1993
Mr. E. Davie Coote
Coote, Henke & Wheeler � �
255 East Carmel�. Drive .
Carmel, IN 46032
Re: Sala6ety Brothere Landscapinq
Review of �Revised 8ntranae Plan
S. of 146th �5t./w. of� Gray Ad.
Clay Tawnehip
Deat tSr. CoatBz
Af£er revlewing the above "referenced project, the Hamilton County Highway
Departsnent hae the folloHing concerns:
1) The A/W along 146th Street ehall be 50' . Porward this 2ega1
deacriptioa to ovr oEfice.
2) Shaw exiating trae ta be removed eaet of the fire hydrant.
3) 9haw all ezieting dtivea and lengths to he removed.
4) Include county ditch crose section standard on plans.
5) Pezmi-_e For wark ln the� R/S4 will be required.
Tbe riqht of� vay ieeue and the aqreement to inetsll a decel lane when ❑r
if the Hamilton caunty Higbway Department deeme it necessary have to be in
wriiing, signed, antl in our affice before tbe Hamilton Covnty Highway
Uepartment'e coucerne are addreeeed. The oCher cnangee mentioned al�ove can ba
made on� the. conetruction plane��which will need to be eubmitted whsn the permit j
applieation is rsiade.
If you have any queationa, contaet Steve Hilbourne, Deeign Engineer, or
myeelf at 773�-7770.
sineerely,
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Staff Report
Carmel Department.of Community Development
ProjectName: Salsberry Brothers Landscaping & Irrigation
Developmental Standards Variance for curbing alternative.
Docket-:Number: V-9-93
Developer/Contact: Jeff& Randy Salsbeiry/ E. Davis Coots
Staff Contact/Division Planner: David Cunningham, AICP
Location: 4317 East 146th Street, Carmel, Indiana
Type of Application: Developmental Standards Variance
Zoning: R-1 Residence District
Parcel Size: 10 acres total
Current land-use
subject property: Landscape �urse'ry, irrigation business and vacant single
family home
Cuirentland-use
adjacent property: North, South, East & West - zoned for residential,
developed as large parcel single family residential uses
Comprehensive Plan
Analysis: The 1991 ComprehenSive Plan calls for this area to develop
as Medium Density Residential.
Thoroughfare Plan
Analysis: Not Applicable.
Existing Traffic
Patterns: Not Applicable.
Traffic Impact: Not Applicable.
Utilities: Not Applicable.
Storm Water
Ivlanagement: Not Applicable.
Site Violations: None Known.
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Salsberry Brothers.Use Variance
Staff Comments
TAG Comments Not.Applicable.
Publie Comments: None Known
Plans: On 51e and Attached.
Miscellaneous Comments
and Notes: The;petitioner is proposing:an alternative curbing system
rather that the standard poured-in-place concrete. The
proposed curbwould be�a landscape timber placed above
the asphalt.and anchored into the.asphalt by pin located
at either end of the timber. Tl�e petitioner is proposing
this alternafive to ensure the residential character of the
site (house) and to add to the aesthetically pleasing
landscaping around the parldng areas in lieu of the
concrete curbing.
Staff Comments\Recommendations:
Staff recommends approval of Docket No. V-9-93 as
presented
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I have renieaed the planss far this prbject and have the foZloe��ng co�nente_
1. Runoff €ror.c this stte £lotas �nto Yhe tJ.G. Hitchner regulated drain. Therefor.e,
a pereiit form requeating permieaian to make an indireeC outlet into the rom,7ated
drain nseds to .ksa sent to KranY_on C. OVa.1•cg, Hamilton Co�nty 9urveyor. Thara is no
fee for an indirect outlet.
z. Ylease foxward a copy o€ tha drainage cslculations to our QPfkC4'.
3. i4here w121 your retenfion area be located?
4•. P.leaae provide an outlet detai2.
5. Tiow tauch o€fsite Flows on�o this site7
6. Is the seytic area proposed or a�tast�ng? If proposed, please ahaw the aeptic
gerimnter drain end outleE location if requirad.
7. Wi11 this site be annexed?
Sf I may be ot further assieCance, plesae asll me at 776-8495 ox fasc at 776-9�28.
Sincerel.y,
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E. Davis Coots January 4, 1993
255 East Carmel Drive
Carmel, IN 46032
Re: Use variance application for Salsbery Brothers Landscaping
Dear Mr. Coots,
Upon review of your submitta] the following items will be required to comple!e your
file:
�p'�5 e/fn 1984, UV 9-84 was approved for a 5 acre plant nursery and garden shoo - this
(�V� � shows a larger development than previously approved including the proposed
residence; therefore the entire site will be under review with this application
fApplication needs to be signed and notarized
�ublic notice information sheet needs to be completed - and the certified list of
adjacent property ownecs from the Counry Auditors office must be submitted
✓�ublic notice will need to be completed per information sheet; this includes Docket
Number information
�ny commitments or conditions that you are willing to offer will need to be in writing
for Board presentation; the following aze some suggestions:
- There will not be outside storage or display of materials ,
-T'hat this request applies to the applicant only. If approved, the variance will
become null and void if the property is sold or ownership is changed.
- Proper building permits will be obtained prior to any construcrion at the
property.
�davit of Public �lotice needs to be completed
�Have adjacent property owners been contacted to determine their concerns in
relationshipto this petition?
lan revie comments:
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edication of ROW is requested along the 146th property frontage (75' half
dedication)-this may require a Development Standards Variance for frontyard
setback
ONHCIVICSQUARE CARMEL,WDIANA46032 317�i71-2900
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Salsbery Use Variance
�A er of non-opposition to annexation will need to be submitted for the file
lease indicate extent of asphalt and gravel drive and lanes; curbing will be
required in the parking areas - a complete parking summary will need to be
calculated and added to the plans
�L �ase indicate any existing or proposed lighting for entiie parcel,with details
o�6otcandle limits, type and sryle of fixture, size and height of fixtures
�andscaping plan is indicated as sheet 3 - there is no sheet 3 in the current
submittal. Location of plantings, types and sizes of plantings, planting le�end,
planting details,mounding sizes and locations,permanent perimeter buifer shall
be included on the plan
bSignage plan signs are indicated on site plan - size and location, materials and
cQlors will need to be detailed and submitted for rzview -��tr
✓Parking summary that is included does not include entire parcel- as indicated
above; a complete summary will need to be included in the plans - one space
is re ired for each 100 sq. ft. of interior area (total) and one space for each
ac
arlang summary should include handicap spaces, total spaces needed per
requirements, total spaces provided, total spaces proposed
- Site Pla
ont, side and rear yard setbacks need to be shown for entire parcel
including ROW dedication along 146th Street-I believe the froat setback
is,40', sideyard is 20' and rearyard of 15' - please revise plans
9�Perun er drainage and utility easements needed to be added to insure
pro r access and drainage
ewer and water locations need to be indicated - Sewer and water are
available for this site -with regard to sprinkler systems you may want to
checkwith the State on requirements of conveiting the residence into an
o e
Special setbacks and �reen belts need to be indicated on plans - I
would on'ly suggest a permanent perimeter landscaping buffer be
ins � ed along the entire perimeter of the property
ilding square footage needs to be indicated on the p!ans
ocation of inechanical equipment, outside stora�e if any, and trash
re�tacle with screening and detaiis needs to be submitted
yPavement and curbing details need to be included on the plans
�sppsed road improvements need to be shown-i.e. accel\decel lanes
�nd passing blister
idewalks - install now or commitment to participate in fai*-share
msta �on when adjacent
a�ing and dock areas need to be shown on plans
L�hydrant (nearest) and siamese (if applicable) locations need to be
indicated
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Salsbery Use Varia
uilding elev tions and perspective are indicated to be on sheet 4- there is no
sheet 4 in c ent submittal - please advise
evations shouid include dimensions, materials,colors, signage -if any
oils map and information needs to be submitted for subject propertv
OTechnica] Advisory Committee correspondence will need to be submitted as
soon as received.
Due to the length of outstanding items and shortness of time prior to the Jan. 25 BZA
meeting, and because this is an Use Variance application, this petition needs to be in top
order prior to BZA submittal and Public Hearing. At this time, I do not feel it is ready, and
I am not scheduling you for the January 25, 1993 BZA meeting. I would request that we meet
upon receipt of this letter to discuss your options.
Once the above items have been submitted, and review of them has been completed
by our Department and all TAC members have approved of the project, you will be placed
on the ne� available agenda.
If you have any questions to the above comments or the process before you, feel free
to contact.me at (317) 571-2444, at your convenience.
Sincerely,
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David D. Cu gham, AICP
Assistant Director
Department of Community Development
City of Carmel, Indiana
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Mayor Johnson
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Mr. Mike Hollibauqh
Department of eommunity Development
one Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
Re: Salsbury Brothers Landscaping and Irrigation, Inc.
Review of 2 Variance Requests/Site Plan
S. of 146th St. /W, of Gray Rd.
Clay Township
Dear Mike:
After reviewing the above referenced plans, the Hamilton
County Highway Department has the following concerns:
1) The R/W along 146th Street shall be 50' . This legal
description needs to be delivered to our office. The
Hamilton County Highway Department will record this R/W.
2) The Hamilton County Highway Department will require the
portion of this minor comme 'rcial drive within R/W to be
paved with a 9" stone base, 4" of binder and a 1 Z" of
surface.
3) The Hamilton County Highway Department needs an entrance
detail reflecting the above mentioned paving
specifications. This detail should also show 75' decel
and acel tapers with a 75 ' decel lane.
4) At West Drive, applicant sha11 remove the tree east of
the fire hydrant due to sight distance and present
condi-tion of the tree.
5) Due to traffic on 146th Street, this project shall only
have one drive. It appears that the East Drive should be
eliminated.
6) The Hamilton County Hiqhway Department will require that
a roadside ditch be established. The Hamilton County
Highway Department typical standard for this has been
enclosed.
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Staff Report
Carmel,Departinent of Commnnity Development
' Project`Name: Salsberry°Brothers Iandscaping& Irrigation ilse Variance
= Expansioii of previously approved Use Variance - UV
9-84
Dacket Number: UV-3-93
Developer/Contact: Jeff& Randy Salsberry/E. Davis Coots
Staff Contact/Division Planner: David.Cunningham, AICP
L,ocation: 4317 East 146th Street, Carmel, Indiana
Type of Applicatiori: Use,Variance
Zoning: R-1 Residence District
Parcel Size: l0 acres total.
Gurrentland-use
subject property: Landscape nursery,irrigation business and a vacant single
family home -;
Cunent.land-use
adjacent property; North, South, East &: West - zoned for residential,
developed as;-large parcel single family residential uses
Comprehensive Plan �
Analysis: The 1991 Comprehensive Plan calls for.this area fo develop
as.Medium Density Residential,with the opportunityfor
a possible area serving commercial center.
Tkiorougfifare Plan
Analysis Indicates that 146th Street is a P,rimary Parkway with
Right-of-way restrictions due to already existing
development along this area. The 'Department has
requested the petitioner to dedicate .a' 40' half right-of-
way to match the;existing subdivision development along
146th Street: The Gounty Highway Department has
requested a 50'half right-of-way dedicauon: The petitioner
has agreed to dedicate the 50'tothe CounTy,due that they
are the jurisdiotion of authori 'ty oufside' the city limits of
CarmeL
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'Salsberry'Brothers Llse'Variance
Existing Traffic ,
Patterns: Currently. only traffic is from laborers going to and
setuining from jotisites for supplies,;approx. 10 trips day.
Traffic Impact: Minimal;site is noYto be used�for retail sales, main traffic
will be from seasonal laborers going to and from
�landscaping job sites.
, LJtilities: Waterwillbesuppliedjfromexistingwelland.septicsystem
will be used for sanitary sewer'`seivice.
Storm Water
Management: Dave Sexton,,Schneider Engineering has worked with the
County Surveyor�and the Soi]' Gonservation Service in
development of the storm watermanagement system.
Site Violations: None Known.
TAC Comments As of the date"of this mailing,iawaiting final approval from
the County Surveyor and Soil,Conservation Service on the
storm water managemenf ;system, County Highway
Department's commentshave been addressed.
Public Comments: None Known.
Plans: On'file
lvliscellaneous Comments
and,lVotes: None
Staff Comments/Recommendations:
Staffiecommends;approval of pocket Na UV-�93 subjecc
to the-following.conditions:
1) Finalapproval of storm drainage system by County
Suryeyor and Soil-Conservation Seryice.
. 2) That this apprbval,lie personal to :tivs,applicant
only and"that t1vs;use variance,become null and,
void when and,if the property issold or ownership
is changed,
3) IEtter:of non-0ppostion to annexation be submit�d
to the Department
4) Acommitmentbythe.petitionertoinstallsidewall�s
along 146th Street,atithe time a sidewalk plan is
implemented for the area
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PRpFE551pNqL�CORPORATION
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255;EAST CARMEI. DRIVE
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�.STEVENH.MENKE CAfdMEL, INOIANA��46432-263a
:JAMES'K.WHEELER �
�JEFGREY O.MEIJNIER
SHEILA�q.MqRSHALL '
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.�AMES D.CR�1M j - � FqC51MILE 319-593-5385
JEFFREV 5.ZIPES
� JAMES E ZaCCOLA
ELIZqBETH I.VAN Tq55EL
Mr. Steven T. Cas'�
Plan Reviewer Mr. Les Locke
Dept. Hamilton County Highway
Hamilton Co nty Su,r.veyor' s pf£ice �.
One Hamiltcin County Square En�?,neec s Office
Suite 14�6 1717' East Plesant
Noblesvidle, IN 46060 Noblesville , IN 46060
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Re: Salsberry Brothers Landscaping & Irrigation
Our File No. : 1193
Gentlemen•
Enclosed is a revised drawing ,being submitted on behalf of
Salsberr;y Brothers Landscaping & Srrigation; Inc. , relocating and
consol"idating the driveway to the cenEer of the property and showing
� woulds oultl'easerfaxo be added.: If th 'is meets with our a
p p Y pproval ,
Y P or forward e consent note to Dave Cunningham
and me prior to the 'February 22 , L993 , Board of Zoning Appeals
Meeting.
Very t "ruly yours,
E. Davis Coots
EDG:mj.c
Enclosure
-c�`:, Dave, Cunningham (w%o enclosure )
cc: Jeff Salsberry '(w/o enclosure:)
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Toc Director,.
Department u£ .Coiureanity� Development
One�. Civic Sguare �
Carme3 iN 48038 �
FI`om: Jo3� B_ :SOUth P.fi.,, SWCA EngiIIeer �.�.--`7�.t�/``"
Tom Schellenberger„ District Canservationist � , �
PrajecE_ Salsbery� Brothers S.andscapl�4
�DETAIL.: SOILS FNFORAL4TION IS AVAILABLE .4T TFS�. 5CS-S6PCil O'PFICS: THE� MAP ON THE PLADIS
ONLY LOCATE �THB�.:S�I�L� TYPES WITH ABBREVIATED SOIL A�f65. . .
acCORDIN�i TO 'T�'�I75Dkr9C5� IN9EU'toBY OF �POTER'P7AL iis1ZAND3. A[ID US�Z-*7�ais IN�76NTO1i5t
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� 3CS-SiVCD..aFFiCB. PRIYATE� COBSSULTAH7.S WSLL MAKE. AN� ObI-SITS�� AETSRMIffiATIO&_
Camments:. .
1. ➢ra3nage calcaSations'�were received �as�d I a,�ee �vitd the. sn�ary. .
2. It��would be� consistent with ather �projects to� requesY a dra.ina�e easetaent across
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the D�el to-�pratect and previde dra."n»ye� for adjacent �praperty ows�ers.
Copies are 6eing� senL to the fallowing':
Steve �Cash -� .
Schneisler F�gineers/Dave Sestoa
file
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Fe�ruary 19, 1993
Mr. E. Davie COOts
Coote, Henke & SQheelea �
255 Baet carmel Drive� ' .
Carmel, IN 46032
Re: Salabery Brothers Landecaping
Review of �Revieed .8ntrance Plan
�S_ of 146th St.�/W. of Grey Hd_
� Clay Townehip
Deaz Hr. Coote:
After reviewing the adova referenced projact, the Hamilton County Highway
Dapartment has tlie following concerne:
1) The R/W along 146th Street ehall be 50'. Porward this Legal
deecription to our office_
2) .6how exieting tree ta be removed east of the fire hydrant.
3� 8how all exieting dclvea and Lengtha to be removed_
4) Include covnty ditch croee section standard on plans.
S) Peimite for wark ln the A/W wi11 be required.
Tbe right of vay .issue and the agreement to inatall a decel lane when or
if the Hamiltan caunty [�iqhway Department deeme it necessary have to be in
wrlting, signad, end� in our affice before the Hamilton County Highway
Department'�e concerns are�addsesaed. The other. �ebangea mentioned above can ba
made ori. the conetruction� plene which will need ta be eubmitted when the permit
application ie made.
If you .have, any queatione, contaet 9teve Milbourne, �eeign Englneer, or
myaelf �at 773-7770.
slneerely,
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