HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes PC 06-20-00CARMEL /CLAY PLAN COMMISSION
June 20, 2000
The regularly scheduled meeting of the Carmel/Clay Plan Commission was called to
order with the Pledge of Allegiance at 7:02 p.m. in the Council Chambers of City Hall,
Carmel, Indiana.
President David Cremeans announced that Plan Commission meetings will be televised,
beginning with this evening's meeting, by request of the City Council to encourage
communication within the community.
Members present were: Marilyn Anderson, Kent Broach, David Cremeans, Leo
Dierckman, Madeline Fitzgerald, Wayne Haney, Ron Houck, Nick Kestner, Kevin Kirby,
Norma Meighen, Bob Modisett, Jim O'Neal, Pat Rice, John Sharpe, and Paul Spranger.
Terry Jones, Mike Hollibaugh, and Laurence Lillig were present representing the
Department of Community Services.
E. Approval of Minutes - Marilyn Anderson corrected page six, second last
paragraph to read Marilyn "Anderson" not Marilyn "Fitzgerald ". Jim O'Neal
made a motion to approve the minutes as corrected. Pat Rice seconded the
motion. It carried by unanimous voice vote.
F. Communications, Bills, Expenditures, & Legal Counsel Report
John Molitor had no separate report.
President Cremeans stated that most members had received an invitation from Schneider
Corporation to attend a training session called "New Urbanism" on July 18 and 19, 2000
in Indianapolis. The Plan Commission will fund the fee for members wishing to attend.
He encouraged all members to do so.
The Wellhead Protection Task Force met last week. The position of the committee was
to recommend that gas station types of uses not be permitted within the wellhead area
because of environmental issues. A video is being viewed and passed between members
of the Commission. The committee chairman will provide a formal position for the Plan
Commission and Board of Zoning Appeals.
Mike Hollibaugh introduced the new Urban Forester, Scott Brewer. As the City arborist,
Mr. Brewer brings much practical experience to Carmel. Mr. Cremeans welcomed Scott
Brewer to the City.
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Mr. Cremeans announced that items 9h and 10h, regarding Bill Estes Chevrolet, Inc.,
have been tabled to the July meeting at the request of the petitioner.
G. Public Hearings
Chairman Cremeans reviewed the rules for public hearings.
lh. Docket No. 104 -00 Z; Rezone petition for the City of Carmel. The petitioner
seeks a favorable recommendation of a rezone from I -1 /industrial and B-
3/business to C -1 /City Center on 39.55± acres. Proposal would result in the
rezoning of the balance of land relating to the proposed City Center project. Filed
by Mayor James Brainard of the City of Carmel.
2h. Docket No. 105 -00 OA; Ordinance Amendment petition for the City of Carmel.
The petitioner seeks a favorable recommendation to amend the Carmel /City
Zoning Ordinance to adopt the C -2 /Old Town District Ordinance. Filed by
Michael P. Hollibaugh of the Department of Community Services.
3h. Docket No. 106 -00 Z; Rezone petition for the City of Carmel. The petitioner
seeks a favorable recommendation of a rezone from I -1 /industrial to C -2 /Old
Town on 2.15± acres. The site is located on the southeast corner of West Main
Street and the Monon Trail. The site is zoned I -1 /industrial. Filed by Mayor
James Brainard of the City of Carmel.
Nick Kestner asked to be excused as he owns property in the area of Docket
No. 104 -00 Z.
Mayor James Brainard presented the three dockets and introduced Rick Roesch, President
of the Carmel Redevelopment Commission and Les Olds, CSO Architects, master
planner and architectural adviser on the City Center project. The project is an effort by
the City of Carmel to work together with the private sector to build a downtown center.
It will include rental and owner- occupied housing, cultural center, performing arts center,
museum, outdoor amphitheater, outdoor recreation area with a large mall, along with
underground or deck parking with retail on the streets with restaurants, shops, and
possibly a movie theatre. This area would function as the center of the Range Line Road
retail area. Mayor Brainard believes a center for Carmel is important. The City is buying
the land and designing the master plan for this area that would include Georgian colonial
architecture to match the City complex. City Center Drive, or 126th Street, has been built.
Phase two will start in a few weeks. The City buys land, issues the master plan, and then
accepts bids. A tax increment district has been established that allows the increase in
assessed value in this area from the commercial buildings only. This increase, not the
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base, will fund the City's part of the partnership. The two major public components, the
performing arts center and the museum building, will benefit and may be built sooner.
Using a map, Mayor Brainard showed the location of the AMLI project which has been
awarded. He located other projects. There will also be a 1,800 seat performance hall
with a smaller drama hall for local and regional cultural amenities. He cited the proposed
relocation of the bike shop owned by Mr. Kestner. All activity just north of 126 Street
is conceptual in nature. He envisions a mixed use, a cultural and meeting place - -some
place to call downtown. The plan allows for each of these uses. Only the City would be
the applicant under the proposed ordinances.
President Cremeans opened the public hearing for general favorable public comments.
There were none. He called for any organized unfavorable comments. There were none.
He asked for any general public comments that were unfavorable. There were none. He
asked for persons wishing to make a statement for or against these dockets. There were
none.
Laurence Lillig stated the department recommends, on each of the three petitions, that the
Commission suspend the rules in order to vote on these petitions at this meeting and
further recommends a favorable recommendation be made on each to the City Council.
The public hearing was closed.
Bob Modisett asked for the boundaries on Docket No. 105 -00 OA. The Mayor explained
C2 is the Old Town Project. Millions of dollars have been spent to rebuild street, storm,
and sanitary sewers. The visual part of streetscape is the end result of that project.
Merchants Square anchors the southern retail area. Old Town is the northern area and
City Center is in the middle. He located Range Line Road, Main Street, and the Monon
Trail. The City Council vacated the adjoining street conditional upon receiving an
acceptable bid to construct a building. It will be in partnership with the private sector to
fit the Old Town architecture from the 1850 to 1900 era in Carmel. The mixed use will
have condominiums above and small retail stores below. This square footage would be
750 to attract small boutique businesses. The buildings will look like they were built
over 150 years ago but would be brand new. The Mayor requested a zoning classification
to accomplish this.
Bob Modisett asked for the location of Main Street. Second Avenue SW will be vacated.
The street behind it is First Street SW. The Mayor stated the transition into Industrial is
not great. A task force will soon look at Old Town for those issues. The entire 2.5 -acre
tract will be rezoned. It is currently zoned I -1 /Industrial. The street department facility
may move to another site. Main Street traffic, in the Mayor's opinion, is kept calm by the
narrow roads. Even if the rest of Main Street was to be widened someday west of the
Monon and east of the High School to the river, the four -block congested area will be
kept narrow. The angle parking will be increased and the City will build a municipal
parking lot, perhaps near the Lions Club.
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President Cremeans asked if anyone would like to speak for or against the project.
Chuck Voight, 5160 Clearlake Court, inquired about the shoe shop owner.
Mayor Brainard responded that the Shoe Heeler is one of the two remaining businesses in
a two block area. The beauty shop has an offer from the Redevelopment Committee.
Carmel is trying to find another suitable location for the shoe repair business. There are
some financial issues with Mr. Hawkins because the City has been his landlord. Carmel
continues to try very hard to find a location with reasonable fiscal prudence.
Jim O'Neal moved to suspend the rules. Leo Dierckman seconded the motion. It carried
by unanimous voice vote.
Jim O'Neal moved to send a favorable recommendation to the City Council regarding
these three dockets. Leo Dierckman seconded the motion. It carried by unanimous voice
vote.
4h. Docket No. 57 -00 PP; Primary Plat application for Mark Stout Development.
The petitioner requests approval to plat 31 lots on 23.945± acres to be known as
Hazel Dell Pond at Waterstone Subdivision. The site is located northwest of the
intersection of East 116th Street and Hazel Dell Parkway. The site is zoned R-
2 /residence and is being developed as a Qualifying Subdivision under Chapter 7
of the Subdivision Control Ordinance (ROSO). The petitioner also seeks
approval of the following Subdivision Waivers:
57 -OOa SW SCO 6.3.7 to plat a cul -de -sac in excess of 600 feet in length
57 -00b SW SCO 6.3.19(1)to taper the required landscape easement to under
20 feet in width
57 -OOc SW SCO 6.5.7 to orient dwellings fronting on a thoroughfare
towards the street of lower functional classification
57 -OOd SW SCO 6.3.6 to plat local streets with 45 -foot rights -of -way
Filed by Eric Penland of American Consulting for Mark Stout Development.
Mark Harris, American Consulting Engineers, 4165 Millersville Road, Indianapolis,
Indiana, presented the case and represented Mark Stout, the primary builder for the
development, and Tim Pascal, also a builder. These businessmen have established a
reputation of providing quality, high -end homes in Hamilton and surrounding counties.
Mr. Harris introduced his associates Mike Jett and Jamie Poczekay. The proposed
community will be located at the northwest corner of 116th Street and Hazel Dell
Parkway. The parcel is part of a tract formerly owned by Martin Marietta that was
bisected by the construction of Hazel Dell Parkway, and is zoned R -2. The process was
begun last November with staff and the Engineer's office to accomplish the layout shown
tonight. The surrounding subdivisions were located and identified. The proposed
subdivision will be part of Waterstone Homeowner's Association. The project will
consist of 30 lots on 24 acres and meets the requirements of the residential open space
ordinance. Approximately 30 percent of the platted area will be open space. Dell Court
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lies in a north/south direction with Lots 1 -15 lots. Canyon Creek Run lies in an east /west
direction with 16 to 30 lots. The developer proposes access from three locations. The
main entry will be off Hazel Dell Parkway and aligns with the Brighton Woods
Subdivision. Lake Point Drive will connect to the Lake Forest Subdivision. Windbush
Way will connect to the Brookfield Subdivision. The project is an example of an infield
development that abandons the relative ease of taking the next available farmland to
develop a difficult and expensive parcel. Mr. Harris believes this is an excellent use for
this piece of ground. Four waivers are requested due to the physical constraints of the
property to enhance the development.
The location of the Hazel Dell Parkway median break at the Brighton Woods entrance
dictates the only logical location for the curb cut. This southern leg is 1,000 feet. All lots
along this cul -de -sac can be accessed by emergency vehicles via Hazel Dell Parkway.
The developer requests permission to taper the landscape easement to less than 20 feet at
the northeast section of the subdivision allowing the project to conform to the natural
topography of the area. The 200 to 300 -foot area tapers from twenty to two feet.
Mark Stout Development would like to orient homes on lots 1 -15 to face Del Court rather
than Hazel Dell Parkway. This will help maintain the integrity and aesthetic quality of
the development.
Approval is also requested to plat a street with a 45 -foot right -of -way. This was the
recommendation of the Engineer's office to allow for more green space along the front of
the lots. This efficient use of the space enhances the development.
Landscaping will be provided in a 20 -foot buffer between Dell Court and Hazel Dell
Parkway and in the northern buffer along Canyon Run and Brookfield Subdivision.
There will also be landscaping along the entryway. Signage and lighting will be similar
to the design theme at Waterstone Subdivision. The Hazel Dell Pond Association will
join the Waterstone Homeowner's Association. The minimum square footage will be
increased to require a total of 2,200 square feet with minimum first floor size of 1,300
square feet. All one -story homes will need to have a minimum of 1,800 square feet. The
first floor of the homes must have a masonry wrap around the entire story. The average
selling price of the homes will be $300,000.
Mr. Harris requested the Plan Commission suspend rules and approve the primary plat
application and four waivers tonight.
Chairman Cremeans asked for any favorable public comments. There were none. He
then called for organized unfavorable public comments.
Mr. Barry Herndan, 5248 Faye Court, represented the Lake Forest Home Owner's
Association. Mr. Herndan also lives in Lake Forest Subdivision with his wife, Judith.
They have soil, water, traffic, and general ordinance concerns about this proposed
subdivision. The prior owner operated a gravel company; there was an asphalt plant on
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the south side of lake. Mr. Herndan asked the committee to consider hazardous wastes
and emissions. He wants soil tests conducted. John South, Hamilton County Soil &
Water, recommended soil testing and expressed concern about water levels in his letters
of February 5 and 12, 2000. He used the words a "disturbed site" to describe the parcel.
The two lakes now have a berm between them. At one time, there was one lake. It was
filled in by American Aggregate, with the permission of the owner, by putting a berm of
sand and soil on top. Any water put into the Lake Forest lake goes to the lake in the
proposed development. There is an underground connection through the aquifer and
seepage through the berm that connects the lakes. Mr. Herndan is concerned with
possible contamination. In a letter written February 11, 2000 the Carmel Engineering
Department expressed serious concerns about the water level, the table, and changes that
may happen when the Stout development modifies the lake and its effects on the
neighboring ponds. Notes from the February 16, 2000 Technical Advisory Committee
stated the petitioner will work with neighboring subdivisions to the west, Lake Forest, to
fill the pond, maintain circulation, and recover to original water level. There has been no
communication. The developer's comment is that the water problem was there before
and he has offered nothing. Mr. Herndan wants the developer's promises to be part of his
commitment in his petition.
The other issue is with traffic. This 30 -lot subdivision has two in and out points; one on
Hazel Dell and one on Windbush going out to the north in Brookfield Subdivision. A
third location was mentioned on Lake Point Drive that winds through Lake Forest north
and is now a stub street. There are 148 lots in Lake Forest with only three exits. He
thinks two access roads are sufficient for 30 lots and it should not be necessary to open
Lake Point to the north. It could be an emergency access only if safety is an issue. That
would solve traffic problems for Lake Forest and prevent any cut throughs. Mr. Stout
indicated agreement during a homeowner's meeting.
Ordinance compliance is the last concern. The ordinance asks whether approval will be
injurious to the public health, safety, and general welfare of the community. Traffic, soil,
and water fit into this. Whether the value or use of an area adjacent will be adversely
affected, soil, water, and traffic are other serious considerations. Also, the Commission
must determine if there is a hardship on the developer if the variances are not granted.
There is none, if the number of lots is reduced so soil does not have to be moved or lakes
filed to create more marketable lots. Mr. Herndan asked the commissioners to consider
the owners living there now.
Finally, the developer is joining Waterstone and this is acceptable to Lake Forest
Homeowner's Association. Stout Development is paying $40,000 to the association. A
total of $10,000 is designated to create a berm/buffer on the south side of Brookfield.
Nothing is being done for Lake Forest Subdivision.
Mark Studebacker, 12431 Spring Brook Run, lives in Brookfield Subdivision behind this
proposed development. He asked the committee to table the case based on the fact of
possible litigation against their Homeowners board. The board voted in this subject
development by Mr. Stout without the voting approval of the homeowners themselves.
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The board president presented the owners with two options, approximately three months
ago, with the 11 lots directly affected by the proposed development. They voted for the
option of a landscape mound, fence, and trees. That is no longer being offered. The
money, offered by Mr. Stout to join the community, will no longer be earmarked totally
for the 11 homes directly affected by the proposed development. Mr. Studebacker is also
concerned about the straight runs with no curves to slow down traffic. Waterstone has
three exits and entrances for approximately 600 homes. He questioned making an
exception for the length of the cul -de -sac and suggested two entrances on Hazel Dell. He
questioned the compromise of the landscape width on a mound. There are 13 lots on
Hazel Dell with 35 trees designated. The 11 lots in Brookfield will have 9 trees.
Brookfield homeowners will be most negatively affected. He asked that the Lake Forest
entry be closed only when Windbush Way is considered first and foremost as no traffic
will be going through Lake Forest if that exit is closed. The Brookfield homeowners will
have a street behind their homes with only nine trees as a buffer. The original offer was
$40,000 to be used as landscape mounding which is no longer an option according to this
board. Mr. Studebacker asked that the issue be tabled.
President Cremeans asked for any unfavorable general public comments.
Marty Bollin, 5238 Lake Point Drive, moved to Carmel last year. His real estate agent
stated the land behind his home would never be developed. The request for waivers
covers the fact that this land should not be developed. It is an eyesore for the City of
Carmel.
Daniel Kane, 12419 Spring Brook Run, said his home is adjacent to Canyon Creek Run.
The developer is asking for four waivers because this is a unique piece of property. The
commission will be able to recognize that Canyon Run will be an entrance ramp onto
Hazel Dell Parkway. Canyon Run will attract a lot of traffic that will run through their
backyards. The name of this proposed development is Hazel Dell Ponds of Waterstone.
However, it is not an endorsement by homeowners of Waterstone. This was accepted by
the board of directors not the voting members. Mr. Kane does not think his board
negotiated in good faith for the safety and well being of the residents of Brookfield.
Michelle Ako, 12435 Windbush Way, represented several of her neighbors. They have
great concerns about the traffic situation in linking through to Hazel Dell. They
purchased their homes on Windbush because it was not a through street. This proposal
makes it a through street for the 600 homes over to Hazel Dell. They are adamantly
opposed.
Bob Estes, 12413 Spring Brook Run, is the treasurer of Waterstone. Carmel City
Engineer Kate Weese explained at a board meeting that the Lake Forest easement was
essential to the Stout development. However, if that easement was not approved, how is
the development able to proceed? The board decision was made based upon the fact that
nothing could be done. Mart Stout told the board that he did not need their easement.
Consequently, to protect the community, it was decided to make the Stout development a
part of their community and then they could have some architectural control. They could
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at least have a say in decisions. The street will not be constructed at the gravel pit road.
The tree -lined lots in Brookfield are 13 feet from where the road will be. Traffic will be
fast on the 1,500 foot straight away; it is an accident waiting to happen. Mr. Estes is
concerned, as a homeowner, that if the board decides not to install in an adequate type of
buffer, then homeowners will put in different types of fences along the road. The
developer should be forced to install a fence for safety reasons and the aesthetic value of
the neighborhood. It will look like a hodge podge without a uniform design.
William Burgess, 12415 Springbrook Run, wanted to emphasis the safety issues. The
owners bought their properties because they wanted the aesthetic value of the land behind
their homes. The proposed 1,500 foot road will become a drag strip. They have nothing
in writing from Mark Stout. This is an odd parcel of land that adversely affects their
neighborhood. Mr. Burgess is very opposed to this subdivision.
Vince Welch, 12417 Springbrook Run, acknowledged that he is not an engineer and the
commission is more familiar with proceedings. However, he is the parent of two small
children. He asked the commission to consider safety issues. They were told that the
land behind their home would not be developed. Mr. Welch admitted it was their own
fault to believe this. He does not think the design is appropriate.
Arlene Kane, 12419 Springbrook Run, stated that Carmel writes Ordinances for builders
to ensure quality. The petitioner is requesting four waivers for just 30 homes; this sets a
precedent for such a small development.
Dave Cremeans explained the process. He encourage interested citizens to submit their
names for future Plan Commission vacancies. Carmel has a very fair process. The
community has been developed in a very organized manner. The case will probably be
sent to the Subdivision Committee and will be worked upon there. The public hearing is
being conducted tonight that provides the chance to express concerns. These questions
will be answered in Committee. Mr. Cremeans stated he could not promise outcome.
But, the Subdivision Committee has dealt with thousands of homes in Carmel and they
know the ordinances. Letters and e -mail are part of the record to also be reviewed.
Mr. Cremeans called for a maximum of five minutes of rebuttal from the petitioner.
Mark Harris said that a Phase I Environmental Assessment showed the property is clean.
Any fill in of the lake will only be done with appropriate local and county permits. Most
likely "clean fill" will be brought in. Mark Stout has a signed agreement with the
Waterstone Board. A water line has been installed through his property to fill the pond.
He is working with the City to establish an easement set aside for that pipe. Relative to
the easement required from the Lake Forest development, this is only one of the options.
There are other options also available. There are utilities only on one side of the roadway
as they need to service only one side of the road. That facilitates a smaller right -of -way.
Tim Pascal, 8703 Sergeant Creek Lane, Indianapolis, stated he has been a developer and
builder in the Indianapolis and Carmel area since 1976. This is his fifth subdivision. The
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Commission understands the difficulty of dealing with each individual on complaints.
He has tried to work instead with the Boards of Waterstone and Lake Forest. They have
met with the Homeowner's Association of Lake Forest and answered a lot of questions
being asked this evening. An easement agreement was not validated because the Lake
Forest Board could not get a quorum of voters to authorize them to do anything for or
against this subdivision. He is the father of three children and is listening carefully. His
plan shows extensive landscaping. There is an existing row of mature trees. They would
like to add spruce trees, burning bush, and hedgerows to almost create a fence. It would
do a nice job of creating green on their side and also keep children in their yards.
Laurence Lillig stated the Department does not have the most current version of the
landscape plan or the signage plan. He requested them. The Department does not
support the request to suspend rules and recommends the matter be sent to the July 11,
2000 Subdivision Committee meeting for further review.
The public hearing closed. Mr. Cremeans listed the dates and locations of the committee
meetings. He said these are open meetings but not public hearings. These are working
sessions to iron out differences.
Ron Houck moved to support the department's recommendation to send this matter to
Subdivision Committee. Norma Meighen seconded the motion.
Pat Rice commented that building proposed homes to face back yards is strange. She
does not think this is appropriate. A similar situation exists at near 96th Street and
Westfield Boulevard.
Marilyn Anderson requested the developer bring his visual displays and landscape plans
to the Committee meeting.
Norma Meighen asked that examples be sent to member's homes prior to the meeting to
give them an opportunity to study the plans.
Wayne Haney asked for preliminary environment impact reports, soil test, and alternative
sewer provisions being considered.
Ron Houck inquired whether these items have been submitted for review. Laurence
Lillig said the department had not received the environmental report or a further review
from John South at Hamilton County Soil and Water. There are two other letters from
John South in the file.
Madeline Fitzgerald asked is a Level 1 Soil Test was sufficient. She asked for more
neighborhood meetings.
Nick Kestner inquired if any traffic studies had been conducted. There are none.
Dave Cremeans moved the matter to the July 11 subdivision committee meeting.
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5h. Docket No. 77 -00 OA; Ordinance Amendment petition for the City of Carmel.
The petitioner seeks a favorable recommendation to amend the Carmel /Clay
Zoning Ordinance to adopt the OM /Old Meridian District Ordinance. Filed by
Michael P. Hollibaugh of the Department of Community Services for the Old
Meridian Task Force.
6h. Docket No. 78 -00 Z; Rezone petition for the City of Carmel. The petitioner seeks
a favorable recommendation of a rezone from S -2; R -1; R -3; R -5; B -1; B -2; B -3;
B -5; B7; I -1; M -3; and PUD to OM on 370.35± acres. The site is zoned S-
2 /residence; R -1 /residence; R -3 /residence; R -5 /residence; B- 1/business; B-
2/business; B- 3/business; B- 5/business; B- 7/business; I -1 /industrial; M-
3 /manufacturing; and PUD /planned unit development. Filed by Michael P.
Hollibaugh of the Department of Community Services for the Old Meridian Task
Force.
Mike Hollibaugh presented the two dockets together. He explained that this appears to
be a complex rezone and ordinance amendment for Old Meridian district. The ordinance
amendment and zone map amendment petition is one piece of City's implementation plan
to put the Old Meridian plan in place. Mr. Hollibaugh cited the display on the screen.
The zone ordinance that was tabled in May puts the muscle, flesh, clothes, and makeup
on the policies that were adopted on the Comprehensive Plan for these different land use
categories. They are the village, the mixed -use zone, the single family attached and multi
families, the special use district, the office district, and the open space. The zone map
was displayed on the overhead. The delineations for the various zone districts correspond
very closely with the land use map that was just displayed. The zone ordinance does
establish more detailed guidelines for the overall district and has individual specific
ordinance requirements of the subdistricts. The ordinance was tabled last month at the
request of the department and the Old Meridian Task Force because a number of the
details had not been worked out. Carmel has been working with landowners trying to do
fine tuning to make the ordinance workable and consistent with the policies adopted.
However, this is not complete. Mr. Hollibaugh requested the Commission hold the
hearing open until next month. This will provide an opportunity to get the ordinance
amendments out to the Commission members.
David Cremeans asked for general public comments that are favorable. There were none.
He called for organized unfavorable comments to the amendment.
Tim Oaks, Ice Miller Donadio & Ryan, spoke on behalf of Buckingham Companies.
They want Carmel to work out issues with individual property owners. His client is a
landowner. Mr. Oaks agreed to work with the Task Force and wishes to get his client's
concerns on record.
Mr. Cremeans called for public comments that are unfavorable.
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Jim Canull, a realtor at 127th and Old Meridian, has been at the location for four years
and has seen the traffic flow increased substantially. He is concerned about the number
of street cuts intersecting between Carmel Drive and Old Meridian. It is difficult to pull
out of their driveway. The street has become a raging stream. He believes a traffic study
should be conducted and asked the Commission to look at the number of street cuts.
Attorney John Smeltzer, Bose McKinney & Evans, represented the doctors at North Side
Animals Hospital. The current zoning of B -3 lists 145 uses for that property. Under the
new, proposed zoning there are ten uses. These are almost all civic: libraries, hospitals,
and other huge uses that do not fit his client's needs. They cannot do much with the 1.9
acres to expand their clinic or rebuild it. Under this proposed ordinance it would not be
allowed. They wish to work with the Commission on an alternative.
President Cremeans called for any other remonstrators. There were none. He moved to
the petitioner's rebuttal.
Mike Hollibaugh addressed the comments. Carmel will continue the process by working
with land owners. Regarding Mr. Canull's concern, the City has not done a traffic study
for this project. However, the City has committed to a number of infrastructure
improvements which maximize options as far as traffic movement through the area and
respond to additional development. There are plans that are not committed to financially.
However, U.S. 31 Task Force along with the Plan Commission has retained an
engineering firm to work on designs to continue a dialog with the State of Indiana on
their proposed freeway upgrade. There are proposed interchanges that would allow for
full movements onto U. S. 31 as well as tying into Illinois Street. The City is trying to
make that happen. Carmel is improving the connectivity of Pennsylvania Street so that a
much of the traffic that has to go north can take Pennsylvania and distribute to other
areas. The City is committed to improve Old Meridian Street, to allow better traffic flow
in those areas, and make intersection improvements at Main Street and Old Meridian.
Cannel is trying to match the potential for development that will occur in that area.
Dialog will continue with the animal clinic
Dave Cremeans will keep the public hearing open and moved the matter to the Special
Study Committee on July 11, 2000.
Jim O'Neal asked the Commission and department to work with the veterinarians and
inquired about the service station. Mr. Hollibaugh responded that the commitments were
amended in 1998 to allow that service station to occur in that area. There was some
discussion to move it on to the Old Meridian Street. Staff met with the Special Study
Committee to try to get a favorable viewpoint opinion to relocate the service station to
Pennsylvania Street. They reluctantly allowed that idea to proceed and are working on
plans for the corner of Pennsylvania and Carmel Drive.
Ron Houck knows some properties are affected by the changes to Old Meridian. He is
concerned that there is no thoroughfare analysis other than what was done in conjunction
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with this. It seems reasonable to consider a different configuration that might be better.
He asked if consideration had been given to what the intersection should look like in
terms of signalization, traffic control, and the number of cuts onto Old Meridian. There
should be a study to strengthen the design or show possible improvements.
Dave Cremeans said the City Engineer has considered this but a third party study was not
done. Mike Hollibaugh will look into that.
Pat Rice agreed with the comments regarding the Meijer station. Plan Commission
worked a long time to find something that was acceptable to everyone. She wondered
what happened to that work and how did it get into another jurisdiction.
Paul Spranger stated it has not gone into another jurisdiction. He remembers it was not to
go up against Pennsylvania but to be shifted somewhat. He was not supportive of Meijer
service station on or near Pennsylvania Avenue.
Madeline Fitzgerald does not remember that the special studies committee said it should
go farther and be pursued going on to the street.
Paul Spranger said Meijer made a presentation, set forth a few options, and that is where
the discussion ended.
Dave Cremeans believes it occurred at a regular, 7:00 p.m. meeting. There were two or
three scenarios. One being on Meridian, one on Pennsylvania, and one being a no man's
land in between.
Bob Modisett said the discussion occurred at a 7:00 p.m. He is in favor on it being on
Pennsylvania and Carmel Drive. He hopes the discussion continues in Special Studies.
7h. Docket No. 79 -00 Z; Rezone petition for Essex Corporation. The petitioner seeks
a favorable recommendation of a rezone from R -1 to B -6 on 5.00± acres in order
to build a 72 -room, 99,000- square -foot retirement facility to be known as Carmel
Oaks. The site is located a 1011 South Guilford Road. The site is zoned R-
1 /residence. Filed by James J. Nelson of Nelson & Frankenberger for Essex
Corporation.
Attorney Jim Nelson presented the docket on behalf of the Carmel Oaks. He introduced
Sam Essex and Craig Witts from the Essex Corporation. An informational booklet was
previously given to Plan Commission members, the petitioner met several times with
residents of Lennox Trace, and had individual meetings with single family owners to the
north. Essex Corporation is a full service provider of housing needs for senior citizens.
The independent living retirement facility will have 72 residential apartments located in a
single building in the 1100th block of South Guilford, and will vary in height between two
and three stories. Other services will be provided as required by the residents. A typical
resident of Carmel Oaks would be a single person or couple between the ages of 70 and
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80. The requirement being that all residents be over 55 years if age. It will not be an
assisted living, or nursing home, but rather an independent living retirement facility. An
aerial photo was displayed to describe the five -acre site location. It is zoned R1 today, as
was the entire area before changes of the early 1970s. The petitioner requests a change to
B -6 to provide for a retirement center. Essex Corporation will make commitments to this
as the only use, to a site plan, the architecture design, size, and dimension of the
buildings. Mr. Nelson reviewed the surrounding uses including two residential homes to
the north. The real estate in general has experienced substantial change from single
family to multi family, business, light commercial and limited retail. This is being
encouraged by the zoning of the 330 -acre Carmel Science and Technology Park and
Meridian Technology Center. Mr. Nelson believes the comprehensive plan supports a
retirement center. The area is designated for uses of low intensity, regional commercial
employment. A rezone is requested because the parcel is in an area that is encouraged by
the Comprehensive Plan. While it is appropriate for existing single family homes, it is
unlikely that this parcel would in the future be used for a single family residence. The
existing homes will convert as times change. A site plan was displayed. Essex
Corporation has agreed with nearby resident, Richard Johnson, to reconfigure the site. A
revised site plan will be filed with the Department and Special Study Committee. There
will be a single entrance and single building that orients to the north property line to face
Mr. Johnson's home with additional landscaping along the property line as well as a
fence. In regard to Lennox Trace, the landscape plan has been upgraded to provide for
mounding and landscaping adjacent to Guilford. Five other issues will be addressed in
the revised plan. The building has been redesigned slightly at Mr. Johnson's request.
The side wings will be two - stories in height; the rear will be three. There will be
underbuilding parking for 72 spaces. The traffic impact is favorable based on statistics
and operating experience of Essex Corporation. Because of the age of the residents, most
do not work, there will group transportation, consolidation of trips, no children, and
limited staff. The traffic impact is minimal and will be less than if developed as it is
zoned today. There have been many meetings with neighbors. Essex anticipates a
committee meeting on July 11th. All issues are not resolved, but they will work toward
consensus. Mr. Nelson requested the case be forwarded to the Special Study Committee.
Chairman Cremeans called for any general public comments that favor the petition.
Richard Johnson, 929 South Guilford Road, said he will never like this project.
However, to make the best of this situation, he will work with the Essex Corporation and
Mr. Witts. There is a shared 400 -foot property line. Mr. Johnson cited his earlier letter.
They are opposed to the classification but are working with the developer. The Johnsons
have lived in their home since 1980 and wish to continue living there. They met with the
Hamilton County Drainage Department to make certain there would be no disturbance in
drainage. They consulted with the County Highway Department and traffic engineers to
check figures. They talked to residents in other states who live next to Essex
communities. The flip flop of the building puts the three -story section back another 80
feet from his house plus the original 60 feet. A privacy fence will be installed. This
process has been a gradual acceptance of facts, the lesser of many evils. The biggest
issues are size of the facility and multiple stories. One item that was not mentioned, is
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the filing of a binder of commitment that the rezone to B -6 would be contingent upon the
construction of an independent living facility only. This might be similar to a deed
restriction. If rezoned, residents should be aware of coyotes living only 60 feet away
from their facility. They should be told not to feed the coyotes.
Basil Duke, 11715 Brockford Court, at Lennox Trace, is a resident of the 160 -condo
project. He speaks for himself not the association and wishes to negate the rezone from
R -1 to B -6. This is a is residential area once one leaves Carmel Drive except for a one
story business structure on the southeast corner. He further cited surrounding businesses.
The last County Highway traffic count in 1998 showed a total of 4,056 vehicles in a 24-
hour period. There is a projected three- percent increase in the flow in year 2001 for a
total of 5,305 vehicles on an average day. He believes this is a high volume for a 10 -foot
off center road. Mr. Duke inquired about taper and decel /accel lanes and cited the 40
mph speed limit. On the southeast side of Guilford there is a PSI habitat. He cited the
May 31, 2000 letter written by Steven J. Broermann of the Hamilton County Highway
Department and it's comments. Mr. Duke feels there are too many retirement apartments
in this area of Carmel.
With no other comments, the Chairman asked for the petitioner's rebuttal.
Jim Nelson stated commitments will be filed that will restrict this real estate to the
requested use as a retirement center only. In regard to Basil Duke's comments, Mr.
Nelson stated his home, Lennox Trace, was the last parcel to be rezoned. Prior to its
current use, the parcel was zoned R1 and reclassified to permit multifamily use. This is
further evidence that the area is changing. It is Essex Corporation's intention to ask for
annexation and then roadway improvements will be under the auspices of the City
Engineer not the Highway Department. They will dedicate whatever right -of -way is
requested. The traffic impact is minimal and does not warrant accel and decel lanes.
However, now that the building is flipped, they will provide a decel lane. Lennox Trace
residents are opposed to the passing blister. The petitioner does not believe the City will
require its installation.
Laurence Lillig requested the revised plans be delivered to the department in sufficient
time to allow for review prior to the July 11 committee meeting. Plans should also be
sent to Technical Advisory Committee members and Plan Commission members. The
department recommends the matter be sent to the July 11, 2000 Special Study Committee
meeting.
The public hearing closed.
Ron Houck inquired why no accel and decel lanes were not planned. Jim Nelson said
Essex Corporation never contemplated these lanes as they feel the width of the property
prohibits this.
Craig Woods, Essex Corporation, said the issue was discussed as to whether it was
necessary to provide a passing blister on the other side as well. All of the Lennox Trace
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individuals did not see a need for it. Ron Houck clarified that his concern was about the
accel and decel lanes. The Highway Department recommendation came after TAC. Mr.
Nelson said they will address the issue before the committee meeting.
Pat Rice thanked Jim Nelson for working with the neighbors.
8h. Docket No. 80 -OOa SW; Subdivision Waiver application for Plum Creek
Partners, LLC. The petitioner seeks approval to plat 6 lots on 14.738± acres to be
known as Hazel Dell Corners Subdivision. The site is located on the northwest
corner of East 131st Street and Hazel Dell Parkway. The site is zoned B-
3/business. The petitioner also seeks approval of the following Subdivision
Waiver: 80 -OOa SW SCO 6.5.1 to plat Lot 4 with 0' of frontage on a right -of-
way. Filed by J. Cort Crosby of Schneider Corporation for Plum Creek Partners,
LLC.
Corby Thompson, Plum Creek Partners, presented the project. "Staff Comments" asked
that 8h. and 2i. be heard together. President Cremeans agreed.
2i. Docket No. 80 -00 PP; Primary Plat application for Plum Creek Partners, LLC.
The petitioner seeks approval to plat 6 lots on 14.738± acres to be known as Hazel
Dell Corner Subdivision. The site is located on the northwest corner of East 131st
Street and Hazel Dell Parkway. The site is zoned B -3 /business. The petitioner
also seeks approval of the following Subdivision Waiver: 80 -OOa SW SCO 6.5.2
to plat Lot 4 with 0' of frontage on a right -of -way. Filed by J. Cort Crosby of
Schneider Corporation for Plum Creek Partners, LLC.
Laurence Lillig explained that last month there was a separate hearing for subdivision
waiver and was asked at that time why the primary plat was not under Old Business
separate from the subdivision waiver. To avoid confusion they are separated. This
matter has been to the subdivision committee and received a favorable recommendation.
It is Old Business. The hearing on the subdivision waiver was not held last month. It
will be held now.
Mr. Thompson proceeded with his presentation. Cort Crosby, Schneider Corporation,
displayed an aerial photo to identify location. It is part of the original 530 -acre Plum
Creek project. This is the commercial portion that was zoned in 1995. The Mitchener
Ditch travels through the project. The petitioner will provide for pedestrian access up
through this neighborhood and across to Plum Creek as well. The pedestrian trails will
be extended along 131st Street and Hazel Dell Road to make this a pedestrian - friendly,
accessible, neighborhood retail center. The layout of the subdivision was displayed. The
waiver is for lot 4 that has no frontage on a dedicated public street (131st nor Hazel Dell).
Because it is accessed by a private drive internal to the project, the waiver is necessary.
Every B -3 use comes before the Plan Commission for public hearing and ADLS. Mr.
Thompson acknowledged concern over a particular use at this site. There is water well at
the southeast corner of 131st Street and Hazel Dell Road. In a prior partnership in which
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Corby Thompson was associated, that well site was donated to the City of Carmel.
Indianapolis Water Company approached that partnership and wanted to purchase the
water rights. They were not sold to Indianapolis Water; they were given to the City of
Carmel. There has been some speculation about a service station at this site. Mr.
Thompson was not able to attend the recent wellhead protection meeting. There is a 15
million gallon, per day fresh water aquifer underneath this property. Corby Thompson
does not think it makes sense to have a service station on this site. It may make sense
from a zoning /planning point of view. Engineers state that the water can be protected.
However, as long as Plum Creek Partners is involved with this property, they will not
entertain any negotiations with a service station on this site.
A public hearing for the waiver opened at 9:47 p.m. There were no favorable general
public comments, there were no unfavorable organized comments, and there were no
unfavorable general comments. There were no questions from Plan Commission
members.
Laurence Lillig said staff recommends that the Commission suspend the rules to vote on
this item tonight and further recommends that the waiver be given favorable
consideration.
The public hearing closed.
David Cremeans decided to consider the matter as Old Business as well and asked Mr.
Houck for a committee report.
Ron Houck stated the matter was heard at Subdivision Committee last month. The
primary plat and subdivision waiver were considered and given a unanimous favorable
recommendation to the Plan Commission.
Bob Modisett moved to suspend the rules. Mr. Springer seconded the motion. It carried
by unanimous voice vote.
Ron Houck moved to approve Docket No. 80 -OOa SW. Norma Meighen seconded the
motion.
Mr. Houck moved to amended his motion to include Primary Plat as well as the
Subdivision Waiver. Norma Meighen seconded the amended motion.
President Cremeans asked if this was a good time to exclude gas station usage at this
location. Laurence Lillig answered that it was, if the Committee wished to place that
condition. However, the Wellhead Protection Committee is drafting an ordinance that
would accomplish the same thing. But, the petitioner did state that a gas station was not
for consideration. David Cremeans would prefer to approve the primary plat with the
following specific condition, as agreed to by the petitioner, that no gas station be on this
property. Corby Thompson did not understand the necessity of it but he agreed and asked
counsel if that was appropriate to do at this level.
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Attorney John Molitor responded that at the platting stage a use cannot be excluded. But,
the petitioner could be asked if he was willing to accept, as a condition of approval, the
exclusion of a service station at that site. Mr. Thompson accepted.
Houck amended his motion to exclude use of gas station at this site. Norma Meighen
seconded the amended motion.
Mr. Thompson added, from a historical standpoint, that in 1995 there was a specific
request from the Plan Commission for a gas station at this site. He believes this shows
how times change.
Written ballots were distributed.
Mr. Houck repeated his motion. The motion was made to approve Docket No. 80 -OOa
Subdivision Waiver and Primary Plat conditioned upon the understanding that a gas
station would not be a permitted use for this parcel.
Marilyn Anderson counted the ballots and stated that 10 approvals carried the condition
that a gas station not be permitted. The other three ballots do not have the condition
attached but are for approval of the waiver and the plat.
Mr. Molitor clarified that the motion was with the condition attached. Consequently, the
votes are in favor of the motion.
9h. Docket No. 83 -00 PP Amend; Primary Plat Amendment application for Estes
Chevrolet. The petitioner seeks approval to replat North American Park, Lot 3
The site is located at 4102 West 96th Street. The site is zoned B- 2/business and is
located within the US 421 Overlay Zone. Filed by Gary Murray of Paul I. Cripe,
Inc. for Bill Estes Chevrolet, Inc.
The matter was tabled.
10h. Docket No. 84 -00 DP /ADLS; Development Plan and Architectural Design,
Lighting & Signage applications for Estes Chevrolet. The petitioner seeks
approval to establish an automobile dealership at North American Park, Lot 3.
The site is located at 4102 West 96th Street. The site is zoned B -2 /business and is
located within the US 421 Overlay Zone. Filed by Gary Murray of Paul I. Cripe,
Inc. for Bill Estes Chevrolet, Inc.
The matter was tabled.
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1 lh. Docket 87 -00 PP Amend; Primary Plat Amendment and Subdivision Waiver
applications for SCM Development. The petitioner seeks approval to orient the
residential structures on Lots 1 and 6 in Springwood Subdivision toward the road
of lower functional classification (internal private street). The site is located
northwest of the intersection of West 106th Street and Spring Mill Road. The site
is zoned S -2 /residence and was approved as a Non - qualifying Subdivision under
Chapter 7: Open Space Standards for Major Subdivisions (ROSO). The
petitioner seeks approval of the following Subdivision Waiver: 88 -OOa SW SCO
6.5.7 to orient dwellings toward the road of lower functional classification. Filed
by James J. Nelson of Nelson & Frankenberger for SCM Development.
Attorney Jim Nelson addressed the Commission for SCM development. In March of this
year the Commission approved a Primary Plat along with several variances from the
residential open space ordinance providing for a 13 -acre residential community called
Springwood. It is north of 106th Street and west of Spring Mill. The real estate will be
divided into six large home sites. A substantial feature includes a brick and wrought iron
screen wall along Spring Mill Road and a substantial entrance treatment. The
Department informed the petitioner that a variance was needed. From the inception, it
was planned that all lots would be accessible from a private interior road to be known as
Winding Lane. Section 6.5.7 would require, if strictly applied to the parcel, lots 1 and 6
to face Spring Mill Road. This is not consistent with their plan or intent. A variance is
needed.
David Cremeans opened a public hearing and asked for general public comments
favorable, any organized remonstrance unfavorable, general public comments, or any
questions. There were none.
Laurence Lillig said the staff recommends favorable consideration of these petitions and
suspension of the rules.
Jim O'Neal moved to suspend the rules. Mr. Houck seconded the motion. It carried by
unanimous voice vote.
Ron Houck moved to approve the amendment and waiver. Marilyn Anderson seconded
the motion. Written ballots were distributed. Marilyn Anderson read the ballot results.
They were Yes -13, and No -0.
12h. 114 -00 DP Amend /ADLS Amend; Development Plan Amendment and
Architectural Design, Lighting & Signage applications for St. Vincent's Carmel
Hospital. The petitioner seeks approval to expand the existing hospital facilities
on 39± acres. Filed by Becky R. Feigh of BSA Design for St. Vincent's Carmel
Hospital.
Jim Nelson represented St. Vincent's Carmel Hospital. He introduced Mike Chittenden
and Margaret Kaiser, from the hospital, and Becky Feigh, BSA Design. Mr. Nelson cited
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their information booklet to expand the hospital and related facilities located at 13500
North Meridian. The hospital plans were originally approved in 1982. He referred to the
aerial photo of the 30 -acre hospital campus. The zoning is B -6. The plan is to expand
the hospital and provide more space for new and existing departments to provide
expanded medical services. There are four components. They are the expansion of the
hospital, the expansion of the two connected office buildings, the addition of a small
maintenance building, and adjustments to the site with respect to landscaping and lighting
to accommodate those additions. The new hospital addition will be in the southeast
corner of the site. To the west and south end of the property is the area for expansion of
the surgery depaitment. The end portion will be a three -story addition to two
professional office buildings. They will be connected and will become one building. The
maintenance facility, which will be set into mounds and heavily landscaped, is located at
the western end of the property near the tip of the triangle. Parking to accommodate the
expansion will be to the western end of the parking area and to the east of the existing
parking area. There will be 295 additional parking spaces. The architectural design was
represented by a series of drawings and displayed by Becky Feigh. A maintenance
facility is drastically needed by the hospital. It will be 1,500 feet in size and heavily
landscaped so that only five feet of building will be in view. The parking and lighting
consistent with what is currently used. They will meet the 31 Overlay Zone requirements
for landscaping. The petitioner has met with the neighbors several times.
David Cremeans asked for general public comments that were favorable, organized
remonstrance that was unfavorable, general public comments that were unfavorable, or
any questions. There were none.
Laurence Lillig said the department recommends the matter be sent to the July 11, 2000
Special Study meeting for further review.
The public hearing closed.
Mr. Nelson said the lighting fixtures would be the same as used today. The new finish on
the building will be more ornamental with a slight difference in color. Becky Feigh, BSA
Design, described a decorative precast banding that will be incorporated in the hospital
and the new physician outbuilding along with accent color on the canopies and on the
windows. The maintenance building will be used for salt storage, the expansion of their
energy center, for storage of their yard, and for maintenance equipment. The species
identification chart will be updated for the committee meeting. Ron Houck asked about
the covered trash enclosure. It will be enclosed and have a roof. The blocks will be
painted a color similar to the hospital. The hospital owns the nine acres to the south. The
main entrance will remain the same off Old Meridian Street.
Chairman Cremeans moved the case to the Special Study Committee meeting on July 11,
2000.
H. Old Business:
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li. Currently Tabled:
Docket No. 109 -99 DP /ADLS; Development Plan and Architectural Design,
Lighting, Landscaping & Signage applications for Meridian Hotel Partners. The
petitioner seeks approval to construct a 57,500- square -foot Wingate Inn on
4.066± acres. The site is located at 1460 West Main Street (northeast corner of
East 131st Street and North Meridian Street). The site is zoned S -2 /residential
within the US 31 Overlay Zone. Filed by Philip A. Nicely of Bose McKinney &
Evans.
With no further business to come before the Commission, the meeting was adjourned at
10:17 p.m.
David A. Cremeans, President
Sue Ellen Johnson, Acting Secretary
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