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TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE
FEBRUARY 16, 2000
Members in attendance: Laurence Lillig, DOCS; Dick Hill/Craig Parks, City Engineer;
Stan Puckett/Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Dept.; John Lester, Carmel/Clay Parks &
Recreation; Steve Broermann, Hamilton County Highway; John South, Hamilton County
Soil & Water Conservation; Steve Cash, Hamilton County Surveyor's Office; Chuck
Shupperd, Indiana Gas.
Westchase Subdivision (52-00-SP)
Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) for 13 residential lots on 16.54 acres. The site
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is located southeast of 146 Street and Ditch Road. The site is zoned S-1/Residential and
is being developed as a Non-qualifying Subdivision under ROSO.
Filed by Stan Neal of Weihe Enginering for Westchase Development, LLC.
Overview: Stan Neal. Also in attendance: Jerry Corbier of Westchase. Primary Plat
previously approved by Plan Commission--petitioner is requesting Secondary Plat
approval for 13 lots, street, walkways--mirrors primary plat as approved by Plan
Commission. Comments received from TAC Committee--Most all comments addressed.
Petitioner working on drainage with Surveyor's office and manholes with County
Highway.
Comments:
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- Carmel Parks, John Lester--Stan Neal reports paths shown on 146 Street are
either in right-of-way or Block B are asphalt, 8 feet wide.
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- County Highway, Steve Broermann--issue is right-of-way on 146 Street
approved in 1996 at 80 foot per one-half. Right-of-way may be a County
Commissioner issue to decide if petitioner cannot met requirement. Stan Neal
will get back with Steve Broermann. Alternate drainage plan filed with Ken
Ward, culvert could be abandoned--Stan Neal will sit down with Kent Ward and
work out.
- Indiana Gas, Chuck Shupperd--no problem with subdivision; petitioner says no
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future plans for dedicating farther south of 146 Street than current plan provides.
- County Soil & Water, John South sent comment letter. Stan Neal says drainage
at entrance is a problem and will work through it--will respond to letter. John
South says ponds are set so deep with be a maintenance headache--one large pond
would be better for maintenance and aesthetics. John would like to see seeding to
building line--need better sediment control for northeast and southwest corners.
- Carmel Fire Dept., Stan Puckett/Gary Howe sent comment letter on February
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11, all OK.
- DOCS, Laurence Lillig requests covenants and restrictions cross reference 80
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foot one-half row on 146 Street; Subdivision Waiver required to accomplish--
may affect open space. Department will work with petitioner. Approval for
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Secondary Plat will be Administrative rather than Committee. 15% requirement
for subdivision may be workable at 18%--reduce strip from 50 ft. to 30 ft.
Saddle Creek, Section 7 (48-00 SP)
Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) for 29 lots on 11.37 acres. The site is located
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northeast of the intersection of West 141 Street and Ditch Road. The site is zoned S-
1/Residential and is being developed under the old S-1/Resuireqments.
Filed by C. Anne Burget of Paul I. Cripe, Inc. for Ditch Road Properties.
Saddle Creek, Section 8 (49-00 SP)
Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) for 43 lots on 22.52 acres. The site is located
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northwest of the intersection of West 141 Street and Ditch Road. The site is zoned S-
1/Residential and is being developed under the old S-1 requirements.
Filed by C. Anne Burget of Paul I. Cripe, Inc. for Ditch Road Properties.
Saddle Creek, Section 9 (50-00 SP)
Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) for 31 lots on 16.96 acres. The site is located
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northwest of the intersection of West 141 Street and Ditch Road. The site is zoned S-
1/Residential and is being developed under the old S-1 requirements.
Filed by C. Anne Burget of Paul I. Cripe, Inc. for Ditch Road Properties.
Saddle Creek, Section 10 (51-00 SP)
Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) for 39 lots on 19.667 acres. The site is located
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northeast of the intersection of West 141 Street and Towne Road. The site is zoned S-
1/Residential and is being developed under the old S-1 requirements.
Filed by C. Anne Burget of Paul I. Cripe, Inc. for Ditch Road Properties.
Overview Tim Walter of Platinum Properties; Bruce Hagen of Paul I. Cripe also in
attendance. Sections 7,8,9, and 10 requested for Secondary Plat approval, Primary
previously approved.
Comments:
- Carmel Parks & Rec, Jerry Lester requested verification of path or sidewalk;
Bruce Hagan states sidewalks are 4 feet wide to match existing--Laurence Lillig
states new Subdivision Control Ordinance specifies 8 feet wide side. Petitioner
will install 8 foot wide sidewalks from entrance to adjacent Maebeck Commons.
- County Highway, Steve Broermann states no real issues, just minor points.
- Indiana Gas, Chuck Shupperd states will service same as first 6 sections.
- County Surveyor, Steve Cash states most comments are standard. Mounding
shown on one of the pipes--request to be shifted--all in common area--no
problem--10 foot access easement sufficient. Steve Cash requests signed petition
for reconstruction and relocation of drain. Petitioner not to get into existing drain
until approved. Petitioner to provide for erosion control measures. Steve Cash
will send separate letter on Saddle Creek Section 10.
-County Soil & Water, John South says functional erosion control plan needed
before construction. Regarding Sections 7 through 9: Better perimeter drainage
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going south--existing road culvert to be protected. Show detail on fabric over
street inlets. No backfill behind curb--silt sack that fits into casting works best.
Inlets that drain offsite are primary concern—try to keep the street clean.
Regarding Section 10: request better job in construction sequence for off-site
water through construction area. Plans show pipes designed for 10 yr. storm.
Backs up on adjoining property? Petitioner essentially creating a dam—should
not block adjacent property. Sediment control needed on north side of 141s Street
in culvert pipe. Need some design to carry water; request design number on
swale. Henley Drain--2 new tiles at north property line; recommend petitioner
extend new RCP to property line to hook into existing drain tile--need hard
connection at property line. Block T water depth? Pond shows 100 year level.
No profile shown for twin 33 inch pipes. Perimeter protection needed at
southwest corner.
- Carmel Fire, Stan Puckett sent comment letter asking for water main and fire
hydrant location. All looks fine.
- DOCS, Laurence Lillig states dates on all certificates to be changed to 2000.
Secondary Plat will probably be handled administratively rather than by
Committee. Plat shows pavement and curbs--to be taken off Section 9--label
drainage ponds--same comment for Section 10. Section 7--spell out drive on
street name, cover page, put key map where sections fall within subdivision.
Coving concept causes problems with building lines. Request process to make it
easier for inspection personnel. Enormous number of sign violations (banner,
signs in row, permanent signs without permits, sandwich boards, etc. Letter to
come from DOCS.
Chapman’s Claim at Prairie View, Section 2b (53-00 SP)
Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) of 19 lots on 12.499 acres. The site is located
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southeast of the intersection of East 131 Street and River Road. The site is zoned S-
1/Residential and is being developed under the old S-1 Requirements.
Filed by Keith Lash of Schneider Corp. for BDC/ Cardinal Assoc.
Brooks Landing at Prairie View, Section 2 (54-00 SP)
Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) of 17 lots on 13.542 acres. The site is located
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northeast of the intersection of East 131 Street and River Road. The site is zoned S-
1/Residential and is being developed under the old S-1 requirements.
Filed by Keith Lash of Schneider Corp for BDC/Cardinal Associates.
Brooks Landing at PrairieView, Section 3 (55-00 SP)
Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) of 12 lots on 7.219 acres. The site is located
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southeast of the intersection of East 131 Street and River Road. The site is zoned S-
1/Residential and is being developed under the old S-1 Requirements.
Filed by Keith Lash of Schneider Corp. For BDC/Cardinal Associates.
Overview: Keith Lash, Schneider Corp., 12726 Hamilton Crossing Blvd. Final 3
Sections of overall development. First Section, Chapman's Claim, section 2b located
southeast corner of property, 19 lots on 12.5 acres, previously submitted as Chapman's
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Claim 2. Second Section Brooks Landing is northeast of roundabout--17 lots on 13.54
acres. Last section, Brooks Landing Section 3 consists of 12 lots on 7.219 acres, just
south of Onyx Drive. Final section construction to commence mid-summer or early fall.
Comment letters received are mostly minor items.
Comments:
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Carmel Parks & Recreation, John Lester says sections 2 and 3 contain paths
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along 131 Street--Longest Drive is a local street; path system in place along
River Road. Ground behind Chapman's Claim Section 1 deeded to Parks Dept.
Keith Lash states Secondary Plat to be modified to eliminate sliver of ground the
Parks Dept. owns.
- City Engineer, Dick Hill, Brooks Landing, Section 2, sanitary sewer connection
in street, stubbed 2 feet beyond curb line--petitioner to note on plans. Building
pads on 47 and 48 not indicated. Keith states 47 & 48 are wooded lots, building
full pads does not make sense--will keep wooded area intact, probably use half
pads. Will be addressed. Request site elevation. Section 2b--Seems to be some
confusion over what is existing and what is not. Needs to be updated. Engineer
has issue with private streets.
- Indiana Gas, Chuck Shupperd states plans look in order--all OK.
- County Surveyor, Steve Cash sent comment letters. Section 2 of Brooks
Landing--request outlet permit; also include proposed basin.
- County Soil & Water, John South states some drainage in rear swales on
development plan does not show property lines. Parks' ground and
Development's ground not clearly defined. Keith Lash says will show on updated
plans. Erosion control on Section 3--main comment construction sequence--Keith
Lash will update sheets.
third time,
- Carmel Fire Dept., Stan Puckett sent comment letter. For the
Chapman Section I--two streets that stub have fence across them--needs to be
cleared!
- DOCS, Laurence Lillig states private drive now allowed. Approved under
Cluster Ordinance--front yard setbacks shown on McDuffy not clear. Building
inspectors having problems with setbacks. Anything developer can do to make it
clearer would be appreciated at permit stage. Parks Dept. owns ground along
River Avenue. Secondary will be approved administratively rather than at
committee.
Emerald Crest at HazelDell Summit, section 2 (56-00SP)
Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) of 39 lots on 12.679 acres. The site is located
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northwest of the intersection of East 131 Street and Hazel Dell Parkway. The site is
zoned S-1/Residential.
Filed by Davis Homes, LLC.
Stu Huckleberry of Davis Homes. Overall, Emerald Crest is a part of HazelDell Summit.
Change approved by Plan Commission is the addition of a Clubhouse, parking area and
Swimming Pool. Common area and lots shifted to accommodate.
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Comments:
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City Engineer, Craig Parks specifies homeowners to be made aware of easement
area so that they do not build in it; also concern with access to be able to work in
easement area.
- County Soil & Water, John South requests revised erosion control plan.
- Carmel Fire Dept., Gary Hoyt requests when determination is made on street
split of Saphire Drive and Aquamarine, Fire Dept. is to be advised for mapping
purposes.
- DOCS, Laurence Lillig requests all common area clearly labeled; clubhouse as
drawn shows as being built across property lines--if so, would require variance.
Hazel Dell Pond Subdivision (57-00 PP & 58-00 SP
Petitioner seeks approval (Primary & Secondary Plat) for 31 lots on 23.945 acres. The
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site is located northwest of the intersection of East 116 Street and Hazel Dell Parkway.
The site is zoned R-2/Residential and is being developed as a Non-Qualifying
Subdivision under ROSO.
Filed by Eric W. Penland of American Consulting for Mark Stout Development.
In attendance: Eric Penland and Jamie Poczekay of American Consulting Engineers, and
Mark Jones of Mark Stout Builders in attendance. Comment letters received from most
all agencies.
Comments:
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Dick Hill, Craig Parks, Engineering, main concern is with fluctuating pond
level--problems with dry ponds. Petitioner will work with neighboring
subdivision to west to fill pond, maintain circulation, and recover to original water
level; safety factors built in. Will restore entire 100 yr. storm--Craig asks for
inclusion on construction plans. Bike path, signage, crossover, separate entrance
detail indicating plans. Minor changes to plans.
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- Indiana Gas, Chuck Shupperd states gas is at 116 and Hazeldell, no problem
with plans and layout.
- County Surveyor, Steve Cash, no comment
- County Soil & Water, John South sent comment letter--reviewed erosion control
plan; strongly recommend soil testing be done--Engineering Dept. and Permitting
Dept. may want a copy. Concerns similar to engineering relative to pond--banks
need to be stabilized and some consideration given to fluctuating water level.
Current depth of pond ranges from 17 to 27 feet. Recommend level 2 or 3 feet
below shown. Petitioner says in the event water level returns, safety factors built
in--probably will stay where it is. Inlet pipes to pond perhaps should either be
lowered or some additional treatment made. Current water level same as one to
west? Petitioner thinks not, but will verify.
Stan Puckett, reviewed—all OK.
- DOCS, Laurence Lillig questions easement or common ground connecting
common areas--petitioner states area qualifies as open space. List of interested
parties to be corrected. Parks area is not part of plat and will be corrected to
reflect. Sidewalks not shown on primary plat.
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McDonald’s (37-00 ADLS)
Petitioner seeks approval (Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping Signage to
construct a 4053 square foot McDonald’s Restaurant on 1.8 acres. The site is located at
750 East Carmel Drive on the site of an existing McDonald’s Restaurant. The site is
zoned B-8/Busness partially within the SR 431 Overlay Zone.
Filed by Kevin Cavanaugh of McDonald’s
In attendance: Matt Maudlin of Schneider Corp; Kevin Cavanaugh and Len DiPace of
McDonald's Corp. Plans are to demolish entire site and rebuild. Some sight work to be
done--building will have same amount of seating, but rear of building and restrooms to be
enlarged; overall 15% decrease in amount of impervious area. Curb edge being moved to
the east--landscaping currently located on west side will be relocated to the east side.
Project will align with City streetscape project. Existing facility—new plan, new
entrance east to Keystone Way. Keystone Way will have no left turn onto Carmel Drive;
drive-thru will be same path. Delivery trucks will circle building and unload at east side
of building, and exit at north drive onto Keystone Way. Same signage number, but
upgraded.
Terry Jones of DOCS says project to be in concert with City Streetscape program. Split
seam roof is a potential problem with Plan Commission members.
Comments:
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City Engineer, Dick Hill states main issue is drainage and curb cuts. Would like
to meet with petitioner to discuss. Recommend curb cut into McDonald's to the
east on Carmel Drive be closed; recommend southern entrance from Keystone
Way be moved northward somewhat. Drainage to be discussed to improve entire
area. New site layout will discourage large vehicles. Petitioner is open to
discussion regarding entrance onto Carmel Drive. Petitioner wants to keep right
in only curb cut to the east. Petitioner willing to work with engineer's office
regarding drainage.
- Indiana Gas, Chuck Shupperd states gas already on site--will relocate where
appropriate for petitioner's continued use.
- County Surveyor, Steve Cash states no permits needed--no comments.
- County Soil & Water, John South states site is below rule 5 requirements, no
NOI required. Erosion control practice as shown is sufficient.
- Carmel Fire Dept., Stan Puckett sent comment letter requesting knocksbox. No
basement, no sprinklers.
- DOCS, Laurence Lillig states Dept. plans do not match petitioner's. New plan
incorporates into Carmel Streetscape plan. Dumpster/storage building with small
concrete walk? The 120 foot setback to Keystone is measured parallel off right-
of-way edge. Dept. requests closing of (east) entrance at Carmel Drive rather
than right in. Terry Jones requests petitioner look at a Williamsburg design rather
than basic, cookie-cutter McDonald's design. Petitioner proposes brick wainscot
lower half of building and EFIS or dryvit and standing seam metal roof.
McDonald's wants to maintain basic style of building--roof is trademarked.
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Laurence will submit comments on sign package. Light fixtures—not able to
match streetscape plans; petitioner will develop another package and will submit.
Haverstick Subdivision (PP Amend)
Petitioner seeks approval (Primary Plat Amendment) to plat 7 lots on 25 acres. The site
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is located northeast of 131 Street and River Road. The site is zoned S-1/Residential.
Filed by Edwad E. Fleming of Stoeppelwerth & Associates for Centex Homes.
In attendance: Tom Kutz and Rodney Muller of Centex Homes; Ed Fleming of
Stoeppelwerth & Assoc.; and Steve Granner of Bose McKinney & Evans. Primary Plat
Amendment for old Cluster Ordinance, originally approved in 1994. Areas proposed for
amendment: Stonehaven 6, Settlers Ridge 1, 2, 3 and 4--originally approved as 90 foot
lots. Current proposal is to reduce some of the lots and develop a separate entrance into
the "executive series" of homes. The area of Open Space from the Primary Plat will not
change--it is to remain the same. Two well sites reserved for City of Carmel at the time
of platting--one well has been reconfigured due to the use of water lines in the street
right-of-way rather than an easement that had been set aside. The water lines will be in
the front yards, accessible by a city street. The well configuration has also caused
reconfiguration of the lots from the primary plat.
Comments:
- County Highway, Steve Broermann, no comment
- Indiana Gas, Chuck Shupperd, no comment
- County Surveyor, Steve Cash questions routing of lake--petitioner states it is
common area and unaffected. No other comments.
- County Soil & Water, John South has not seen plans--no comment.
- Carmel Fire Dept., Stan Puckett no comment
- DOCS, Laurence Lillig states public notice required. Docket will go before Plan
Commission in March.
Woodland Country Club (SUA-6-00
Petitioner seeks approval (Special Use Amendment) to redesign a 168 acre golf course.
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The site is located southwest of East 116 Street and Keystone Avenue. The site is zoned
R-1/Residential.
Filed by James J. Nelson of Nelson & Frankenberger for Woodland Country Club.
In attendance: Jim Nelson, attorney; Brian Sullivan, CBG Consulting; John Hart,
president, Woodland Country Club. Request is for Special Use to redesign and expand
existing golf course. Plan provides for overall redesign, preservation of 14 acres at
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corner of 116 & Keystone for Merchants Pointe, and redesign of golf layout, etc.
Comments:
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Carmel Parks Dept., John Lester, no comment
- County Highway, Steve Broermann sent comment letter requesting dedication of
60 foot one half right-of-way along Westfield Boulevard.
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- City Engineer, Dick Hill sent comment letter. Detention comments in regard to
Merchants Pointe only. Petitioner states no changes except for redesign of golf
course--clubhouse, swimming pool & maintenance facility remain same. Pond #2
flows through flat area between two lots and Woodland Subdivision, eventually
runs to south end of property. Additional pond for drainage affecting SE corner
of Keystone--will be shown on plans.
- Indiana Gas, Chuck Shupperd no comment
- County Surveyor, Steve Cash states review not yet complete--did review calcs.
Appears to reduce runoff. Will send comment letter early next week. Steve Cash
willing to meet with Brian on site to discuss.
- County Soil & Water, John South has already met with Brian. Plans show large
lake at south end--Brian says will not exist and will be deleted from plans.
Diversion or mounding swale along north side of #1 fairway to divert water away
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from homes on 116 Street. Concerns in letter regarding 2 lots where storm
drainage flows through on Woodland Country Club Drive. Possibility of surface
tile to alleviate detention of water. Petitioner is changing golf course and with
hard surface on the north end, will add water and problems to area as far as
drainage. At the very south end where total site discharges, needs to be looked at
further.
- Carmel Fire Dept., Stan Puckett sent comment letter
- DOCS, Laurence Lillig states Jay Alley of Clay Regional Waste has not
received plans--no sewer service by Carmel. Area to retain service by Carmel.
Woodland to annex 14 acres, not golf course. Petitioner agrees to provide
statement of non-opposition to annexation. Construction and redesign contingent
on approval of 14 ac rezone. New, small building on golf courses to be pump
house. Will submit drawings and elevations. Existing maintenance shed – no
plan to perfect buffer between tree line and maintenance shed. Maintenance shed
is not in original location--now closer to residence of Bruce Kinsey. Petitioner
will work with neighbor. Rest room on golf course?? Portable? Currently there
are two outdoor facilities--one to be demolished and taken out of service; second
one to be maintained and upgraded. Irrigation coming from lake--line will be
from well to restroom--served by well--application to be made for septic.
Restroom will be permanent facility--NO portable potties except in heavy use.
Univerisity High School of Indiana (SU-8-00)
Petitioner seeks approval (Special Use) to establish a private high school campus. The
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site is located southwest of West 116 Street and Towne Road. The site is zoned S-
1/Residential (Very Low Intensity.)
Filed by Chuck Webster of University High School of Indiana.
In attendance: Dave Coots, attorney; Chuck Webster and Sandy Lange of University
High School; Ben Rawlins and Jackie Bieghler of Olde McGuire & Shook. Plans
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submitted. Location on 116 Street west of Towne Road (old Riley impliments
property.) Two phases of high school, first on northwest corner of property. School has
been "in works" approximately 3 years. Property purchased one year ago--consists of
185 acres. Through Challenge Grant, will be able to occupy property. Working with
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banks and will buy property outright. Construction of new building and site
improvement work will start next August. Portable classrooms in August, will occupy
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building in September. Probably will house 135 kids first year, 3 year 50 or 60 more,
total projection of 400 kids in 4 to 5 years. Petitioner says critical at this point to be on
site. Property zoned S-1/Residential (Very Low Intensity)--school will be a Special Use
Approval through the Board of Zoning Appeals.
Ben Rawlins states construction to be in two phases. First building at northwest corner of
site to include gymnasium building and offices, 3 temporary classrooms to expand to an
associates parking area. In addition, southeast corner more permanent campus with main
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entrance. New Park entrance off 116 Street. Performing arts, classroom building,
additional gym, parking and secondary entrance off Towne Road to the east.
Storm detention required for site. Petitioner currently working with County Highway on
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accel/decel off 116 Street. Drainage calcs--uncertain about Parks and their detention--
getting numbers together. Will return to TAC in March--schedule for BZA.
Comments:
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Parks Dept., John Lester states main concern is drainage--will be up for bid and
will know numbers.
- County Highway, Steve Broermann waiting for traffic study from Brad Yarger
before making final determination for roadway improvements/turn lanes, etc.
Will be in touch with Yarger. Steve Broermann requests plan of overall
improvements at build out and will talk about phasing.
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- Indiana Gas, Chuck Shupperd states servicing current facility on 116 Street.
Will require option agreement for services--will do easement layout. Indiana Gas
will coordinate with Panhandle Eastern.
- County Surveyor, Steve Cash requests calcs. for drainage review. Current flow
is to Spring Creek; County regulated drain within Kingsmill Subdivision. Outlet
Request Permit required.
- County Soil & Water, John South sent comment letter. Watershed drainage,
detention ponds, information required. Erosion control plan needed prior to
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construction. Request petitioner show improvements for drainage along 116
Street. Existing wells on site? Petitioner to include statement on plans regarding
well-capping. Area between gym and existing house--grading should be refined--
more detail needed.
- Carmel Fire Dept., Gary Hoyt submitted comment letter to Yarger Engineering.
First Dept requests knocksbox on gymnasium building--additional one at later
date. Not yet known whether building is to be sprinklered. If so, petitioner to set
up time to meet with FireDept. for siamese connection. Gary Hoyt requests
complete set of plans showing location of water mains and fire hydrants for
currently proposed structure, street widths—perm facility.
- DOCS, Laurence Lillig square footgage questions size (square footage) of
structures. Petitioner states old barn on property to be removed. Gas easement
runs through property--needs to be marked on revised set of plans. Request
entrance to school and park site be aligned. Comments on landscape plan
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forthcoming from Mike Hollibaugh; petitioner states some existing trees and
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small evergreens will be removed. Right-of-way for 116 and Towne Road are
70 feet one-half. Laurence requests a meeting with petitioner to discuss
comments for ADLS for site.
- DOCS, Terry Jones regarding Temporary classroom structures--at what time or
what would trigger their removal? Petitioner will work out in commitments--
basically tied into construction of improvements. Petitioner meeting with State on
design. Special Use Application, cover letter from petitioner to accompany
informational packets to Board with timeline explanation of overall picture.
Height of building will require variance--to be heard at same time as Special Use
application. Curbs internal to the site--if otherwise, would require variance.
Special Use has a one year time frame. 2002 commence permanent structure.
Dept. will meet with petitioner to discuss commitments on site.
END MEETING
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