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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes TAC 07-19-00 Carmel/Clay Technical Advisory Committee Minutes July 19, 2000 9:00 a.m. Members present were: Laurence Lillig – Carmel DOCS John South – Ham Co. Soil & Water Gary Hoyt – Carmel Fire Dept. Steve Krebs – Ameritech Scott Brewer – Carmel Urban Forester John Lester – Carmel/Clay Parks & Rec. Chuck Shupperd – Indiana Gas Dick Hill & Craig Parks – Carmel Eng. Steve Broermann – Ham. Co. Highway Bill Akers – Carmel/Clay Communications High Grove, Section 2 (120-00 SP) The petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) tomplat 16 lots on 9.752 acres. The site is st located southwest of West 131 Street and Ditch Road. The site is zoned S-1/residence. Filed by Brandon T. Burke of the Schneider Corporation for Estridge Development. The case was presented by Brandon Burke and Keith lash, Schneider Corporation. Section 1 of High Grove, the existing portion of the subdivision, was illustrated on a display board. The th proposed Section 2 is located a quarter mile north of Hoover and 116 Street and will contain 16 lots. Clay Creek traverses through it. Steve Krebs had no comments. Steve Broermann inquired about the length of the cul de sac. A variance may have been approved for Section 1. Keith Lash will check. The slope outside the right of way will be 3 to 1. Cross sections will be supplied. The under drains will be taken out to the creek on each side if there is a conflict. Scott Brewer has no landscape plans. A set was issued with Section 1. A copy will be given to Mr. Brewer. Steve Cash referred to the comments in his letter of July 18, 2000. John South needs more construction detail and sequencing on bridge installation. There is a temporary sediment trap because the road west of the bridge slopes. The petitioner needs to specify materials that will be there to get the pipe crossing in. Because the inlets are on other side of creek to the east, Mr. South suggested sideboards on the road crossing. This will force the storm water to follow the road across and divert the water into the detention pond on that side of the channel. The plan has diversions channels shown leading into the detention pond. He would prefer to see an actual sediment base with sizing. Then the contractor can construct the minimum size basin required and get the diversions in. After that he can construct the rest of the basin. He does not need to construct the whole basin before adding the diversions. Keith Lash will inform the contractor. John South will send a letter. s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 1 Gary Hoyt understands the existing fire hydrant at Bramley Court and Braeburn Drive will remain. Laurence Lillig commented that the petitioner could use the administrative certificate on the secondary plat. He requested that common areas be numbered consecutively. The adjoining property owner information can be taken from the secondary plat. Keith Lash stated the State of Indiana required it be shown. If that is the case, Mr. Lillig requested there be no overlaps. There is no subdivider agreement in the file. An area map, or key map, is needed on the cover page. The center lines were offset 12 feet on Section 1 on the other side of Hoover Road. The secondary plat for WestClay has not come through. Mr. Lillig asked if that has been addressed. Keith Lash said they came to TAC for Section 10011. Mr. Lash stated the roads would be aligned. The Lakes at Hazel Dell, Section 5 (94-00 SP) 11, 12, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) to plat 20 acres on 7.472+ acres. The site is located th southwest of East 126 Street and Hazel Dell Road. The site is zoned S-1/residence. Filed by Keith Lash of the Schneider Corporation for Zaring National. The Lakes at Hazel Dell, Section 6 (95-00 SP) Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) to plat 12 lots on 5.7 + acres. The site is located th southwest of East 126 Street and Hazel Dell Road. The site is zoned S-1/residence. Filed by Keith Lash of the Schneider Corporation for Zaring National. The Lakes at Hazel Dell, Section 7 (96-00 SP) Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) to plat 14 lots on 6.855+ acres. The site is located th southwest of East 126 Street and Hazel Dell Road. The site is zoned S-1/residence. Filed by Keith Lash of the Schneider Corporation for Zaring National. The Lakes at Hazel Dell, Section 8 (121-00 SP) Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) to plat 13 lots on 4.835+ acres. The site is located th southwest of East 126 Street and Hazel Dell Road. The site is zoned S-1/residence. Filed by Keith Lash of the Schneider Corporation for Zaring National. The Lakes at Hazel Dell, Section 9 (122-00 SP) Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) to plat 13 lots on 9.765+ acres. The site is located th southwest of East 126 Street and Hazel Dell Road. The site is zoned S-1/residence. Filed by Keith Lash of the Schneider Corporation for Zaring National. The Lakes at Hazel Dell, Section 10 (123-00 SP) s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 2 Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) to plat 11 lots on 8.516+ acres. The site is located th southwest of East 126 Street and Hazel Dell Road. The site is zoned S-1/residence. Filed by Keith Lash of the Schneider Corporation for Zaring National. The Lakes at Hazel Dell, Section 11 (97-00 SP) Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) to plat 12 lots on 4.535+ acres. The site is located th southwest of East 126 Street and Hazel Dell Road. The site is zoned S-1/residence. Filed by Keith Lash of the Schneider Corporation for Zaring National. The Lakes at Hazel Dell, Section 12 (98-00 SP) Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) to plat 15 lots on 6.827+ acres. The site is located th southwest of East 126 Street and Hazel Dell Road. The site is zoned S-1/residence. Filed by Keith Lash of the Schneider Corporation for Zaring National. Keith Lash introduced Brandon Burke, Schneider Corporation, and Shawn Gault, Zaring. It was decided to present the right sections together but specifically Section 5 will be discussed first. Steve Krebs inquired if there will be an order for development. Shawn Gault said 11 and 12 will be done first; then it will be “market pending” for the other sections. th Dick Hill and Craig Parks, in regard to Section 5, asked that they include 126 Street widening in their plans as this is adjacent. Keith Lash agreed. They will leave the passing blister and just do the 15 half widening concentrating on the south side. There are curbs off Hazel Dell. th Construction will start east of the curbs and will match the existing 126 Street pavement. On the north side this has already been widened as part of an accel lane. Shawn Gault said it will not be irrigated. All other concerns can be addressed through a letter. Scott Brewer asked if the common area of Section 5 is planted with shrubs and trees. Shawn Gault said it was not. Keith Lash commented that Section 1 plans were generic. There are no plans to expand to Section 5. Scott Brewer will have other comments later. John South’s only comment involved the flared inlet section. Detail is needed to show how it will be protected. The standard silt fence is fine, but Mr. South wants it shown that the fence actually goes up the slope. It needs to stop all of the flow. Gary Hoyt had no comments for Section 5. Laurence Lillig had no comments and has not yet written a letter. He believes Mr. Lash knows his standard concerns. Sections 3 and 4 will be ready within the next two weeks. Shawn Gault will take care of signage soon. The signs will be similar to existing and will be installed outside of the right of way. Sections 3 and 4 are required to show landscape plans for planting on both s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 3 sides. Keith Lash stated Zaring would plat two street trees per lot. Mr. Lillig suggested they work out the details with Scott Brewer. Dick Hill spoke of availability; Keith Lash said there would be no revision. Steve Cash sent letters on Section 5 with two comments. This is within Carmel’s city limits. Three of the lots are within the watershed. There is a storm sewer across the property line. If the lots are graded to the inlet, an outlet request is needed. Keith Lash agreed. Sections 11 and 12 were discussed next. Keith Lash commented that Section 11 will have 12 lots and Section 12 will have 15 lots. They are in the northwest quadrant of the Lakes of Hazel Dell project. The petitioner needs to meet with Craig Parks. They are gathering drainage calcs for Bay Hill. Mr. Lash believes they took some offsite watershed into account. He will verify this. The hammerhead area is a problem. Keith Lash has an approved primary plat that shows a hammerhead. They want to leave it as a hammerhead since it is so close to the intersection. The petitioner believes they can work out details with the department. It is late in the project to change this. The petitioner cannot get the same lot configuration. Craig Parks stated Engineering dislikes the hammerheads because of access difficulty for fire protection and snow removal. Steve Krebs had no comments. Craig Parks would like to meet later to discuss the Bay Hill. Scott Brewer asked if the sections impact the common area. They do. Mr. Brewer will have tree protection comments. Zaring has already had problems in tree preservation areas. Scott Brewer sent Zaring a letter; they must hire an arborcultural consultant to provide the City with bi- monthly reports. This has not happened. Chris Thomas and Bob Krongold were told they need a plant consultant. A meeting will be held with Zaring to discuss tree issues. Keith Lash asked for a letter in advance to allow them to begin addressing issues. Scott Brewer agreed. Steve Cash had no comments. John South had no concerns in regard to Section 12. He had a few comments on Section 11. The petitioner needs to indicate on the plans that the existing sediment basin will be retained during construction. Mr. South suggested utilizing the new inlet for the dry basin as a sediment structure. Keith Lash agreed. Structures 795 A and 796 A are close together, which is a common practice. If separated by a lot, there is water quality improvement. The initial idea was to go between lots 25 and 26. But, the fire hydrant would need to be moved in that corner. The petitioner will ask for leniency because it would be expensive to remove it. Gary Hoyt has no problem with Section 11 but has the same concerns as the City Engineer with Section 12. The hammerhead is a problem. A fire truck cannot turn there. He would like to see some rounding out to allow truck access. These are public streets. He believes hammerheads should not be allowed. Mr. Hoyt would like “no parking” signs to keep cul de sacs free of parking. However, this would require an ordinance. He would like cooperation with the Street Department. It was observed that Mark Monroe liked the hammerhead because they added s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 4 green space. Shawn Gault said Zaring would go back to Section 1 and install “no parking” signs. Shawn Gault will contact Dave Klingensmith. Laurence Lillig does not know how the hammerheads were approved. He would like them turned into cul de sacs. They are not allowed by Ordinance and he does not know how they got through the primary phase. Mr. Lillig will be actively pursuing the change to cul de sacs. Mr. Lillig will write a review letter on each section. Keith Lash said this would complete the subdivision. Sections 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 were discussed next. The number of lots and acreage size for each section were listed. They comprise the southeast quadrant of the development. The petitioner will work out the infrastructure with Dick Hill. Mr. Lash is not sure how these sections will come on line; the sequencing is hard to predict. Section 8 may have a storm sewer in Section 6. An easement may have been granted in Section 1. Craig Parks was confused by the term “existing”. It is important to indicate “existing – built with Section ____” or “will be built with Section ____”. It appears that the offsite roadway has been changed on two lots in Section 10. The City desires to keep those two lots in Section 10. If they were removed, another plat would need to be processed. The road is to be constructed as part of Brighton Woods. There is no activity on that yet. Scott Brewer has a major problem with the Primary Plat that indicates all sewers are in front of the houses. On the secondary plat, the sewers run down the back of the easements. This action will kill trees that are to be preserved. Mr. Brewer agreed to meet the petitioner on site. Mr. Lash believes the storm sewers are already in place. John South did not bring a letter for Section 6. He had no comment for Section 7. A flared in section detail is requested for Sections 8, 9, and 10. Keith Lash stated the letter asked for inlet protection detail in Section 6. He will take care of this. Gary Hoyt had no comment. He is happy there is a cul de sac in Section 10. Laurence Lillig stated Bill Akers, Communications, had comments on several sections, which he will forward by e-mail. In Section 8 and 9, Lynnwood Boulevard will have a new street name. The street is addressed north/south through Lynnwood Subdivision. Then it changes to east/west which creates problems for the Department of Communications. Corby Thompson will be asked to rename the street south and west of the cul de sac. Mr. Lillig does not know how the department will deal with the two lots in Section 10. Brighton Woods has not filed a Secondary Plat that will provide access for those two lots. They should not be sold until Brighton Woods comes through with a plat. Keith Lash said his client desires approval to allow construction. Section 10 may no occur for one or two years. Laurence Lillig suggested putting Section 10 at the bottom of the stack to allow Brighton time it needs. Mr. Lillig said the common areas must be numbered consecutively. North Augusta, Section 2, Lot 29-32 (DP/ADLS; SP: Z) s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 5 The petitioner seeks approval (Development Plan; Architectural Design, Lighting & Signage; Secondary Plat; Rezone) to replat 4 lots in order to establish three office buildings on 2.55 + acres to be known as Majestic Corner Plaza. The site is located at the southwest corner of West th 97 Street and North Augusta Drive. The site is zoned S-1/residence and is located within the US 421 Overlay Zone. Filed by Majid Rastegar of Majestic Residence, Inc. The case was presented by Attorney Ron Bussell. All TAC members have copies of the engineer drawings. They will answer questions and receive comments. Mike Deer is the project engineer. Majid Rastegar and Michelle McGuinness were introduced. Steve Krebs had no comments. Steve Broermann has not issued a letter but had comments. On North Augusta Drive, an additional five feet of right of way are needed to meet County thoroughfare standards. Additionally, a 35-foot corner cut is required. They will require some improvements, perhaps street widening, to the area. A 12 foot from center line lane is needed. Accel and decel lanes are required at the entrances. The radius of the intersection needs work. A fifty-foot radius is usually required. Mike Deer thinks there may be 25 feet. Mr. Broermann said a 35-foot radius would be considered if there is not truck traffic. Mr. Lillig stated a 45-foot half right of way is required on North Augusta. Eventually, it is intended to connect to Commerce Drive as part of the thoroughfare plan. Mr. Broermann will issue his comments. th Chuck Shupperd stated there is gas service on 97 Street for the front two buildings. A gas main will be extended on Augusta for service to the back building. Or, perhaps a 15 or 20 foot utility strip is a possibility. Mr. Rastegar said the buildings will be 100% electric. Scott Brewer talked to Michelle McGuinness but did not receive a complete set of plans showing existing vegetation. The parcel falls in the 421 Overlay Zone which carries restrictions. These were faxed to the petitioner. The 20 trees shown on the plan are not adequate. They are all Bradford pear trees. He suggested Aristocrat or Red Spire. There should be no more than 15% of any single type of species. Ms. McGuinness inquired about the buffer zone chart. The rear lot line is office and residential. Scott Brewer stated if the area is currently zoned residential, then residential requirements must be followed. At industrial/retail zoning, those guidelines must be met. The Ordinance specifies the number of shade trees and ornamental trees required. Scott Brewer will meet with the petitioner. Steve Cash spoke with the petitioner on the phone a week ago but still has not received plans. Michele McGuinness said she dropped them off at his office. Mr. Cash apologized for not writing a comment letter yet on this case and discussed his main issues. The parcel is within the Crooked Creek Regulated Drain watershed. They will be required to file a permit with the Surveyor’s Office. The allowable discharge rate is .25 cfs per acre. The detention area must be able to accommodate up to a 100-year storm. This is a type 2 for a 24-hour storm. This can be accomplished in various ways. Steve Cash will have a letter forthcoming. He reviews drainage plans. s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 6 John South did receive plans but has not written letter. He would like to see the capping of residential wells prior to demolition work indicated on the plans. County and City ordinances require wells to be capped properly. There is drainage from the rear yards of the existing residences from the west. There is a drainage swale in the rear yard. The plan needs to show how much water is coming to their corner and how they will deal with it. This is on the south property line. The chief concern of the erosion control plan is to address the existing culvert under North Augusta Drive. Their plan reflects construction after all the storm pipe is in. Plans need to identify erosion control measures as construction begins, erosion control protection at the existing culvert, and a small sediment trap or basin behind it to trap sediment from the site before it enters the culvert. John South will send a comment letter. He believes there are no real difficulties. Gary Hoyt received plans and wrote a comment letter. His preliminary questions on these buildings involve whether the proposed buildings are to be sprinkled. They will not. The basement contains over 3,4000 square feet. Fire code requires sprinkling for this size unless they meed area separations. Mr. Rastegar stated the basement is only 3.5 below ground and 5 feet above ground. It would be considered a basement if covered on all four sides with dirt. There will be a basement and two stories up. Mr. Hoyt requires a set of engineer drawings. He only has construction plans. Majid Rastegar indicated the State of Indiana has approved the plans. One building is flat; buildings two and three are tri level. They have met requirements with fire walls. Also required are a set of plans to show the water distribution system and location of fire hydrants. The Fire Department requests a knox box. Mr. Rastegar will provide a knox box for all buildings. Laurence Lillig indicated as part of the secondary plat, the petitioner is required to provide a subdivider agreement form. His copy of the plans seems different. Mr. Lillig also needs a survey of existing conditions as there are apparent differences. It is difficult to tell if there is curing; it is required all the way around the parking lot and must be indicated on the plans. Details of the plat will be indicated in a letter. A 45-foot half right of way is required for North Augusta Drive. Also, the setbacks indicated are those for the B5 district. The original setbacks will no longer apply if they are applying for a rezone. The architectural design of these buildings does not meet the 421 Overlay requirements. They need to submit a statement in regard to the rules of the 421 overlay. Mr. Lillig will send the plans to Carmel’s consultant for review. Signage plans are not ready; they will be provided. There is no parking count. There will be 167 spaces. The total square footage for the three buildings is 54,000 square feet. The Ordinance requires one parking space for 300 square feet of floor area. A total of 180 parking spaces are needed. Majid Rastegar indicated their plans include a huge lobby; he will provide a set of plans. Proof of ownership is required for rezone application. The drainage plans are not certified. Mike Deer will take care of th this. Terry Jones cannot find sidewalks. A 5-foot concrete sidewalk is required on 97 Street and an 8-foot asphalt multi-use path is required on North Augusta Drive. These can be one foot inside the right of way. The lighting plans show intensity that is too high at the lot line that adjoins residential property. At that location the petitioner is limited to 0.1 foot candles. At commercial lot lines, 0.3 foot candles are allowed. Mr. Lillig will outline this in a letter. The City will ask for a letter of non opposition to annexation. The number of average daily trips at peak is not available. If it will be more than 100 trips, a traffic impact study will be required. If less than 100, a traffic operations analysis is necessary. Mr. Rastegar commented that his s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 7 building constructed two years ago has a light colored brick. Mr. Lillig responded that it was built before the 421 Overlay was established. The new building must be red brick. The subdivider agreement form outlines the improvements and responsibilities of the builder. John Lester stated pathways were reviewed by Laurence Lillig. West Carmel Center, Block F (DP/ADLS; SP) The petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat; Development Plan; Architectural Design, Lighting & Signage) to plat one lot on 15,000 acres in order to construct one commercial building of unspecified size to be known as Home Depot. The site is located southeast of West th 106 Street and Michigan Road. The site is zoned B-3/business and is located in the US 421 Overlay Zone. Filed by Kevin D. McKasson of Glendale Partners. The case was presented by Kerry Buckley of American Consulting Engineers. She introduced April Hensley, Leech Hensley Architects, and Blaine Paul, American Consulting Engineers. They represent Glendale Partners and the Home Depot project. It is located at the southern th portion of West 106 Street and Michigan Road just south of the Target store. nd John Lester stated an eight-foot asphalt path is required along Commerce Drive and 102 Street. This project is in the thoroughfare plan. Mr. Lester indicated their site plan needs to show the paths. Steve Krebs cannot do a joint trench. They will like two four-inch conduits stubbed out to the property line. Steve Broermann sent a comment letter. Kerry Buckley does not have additional questions; she will make the revisions. Chuck Shupperd stated the gas main will continue down Commerce Drive. He requested a preconstruction meeting on loads and size of meters. Scott Brewer does not have his comments in a letter yet, but will write one. The 421 Overlay requires foundation plantings all around the building. They must be ten feet in front and five feet on the sides and back. Also landscaping must be on two sides of the building. Ms. Buckley stated her client is requesting a variance for those two sides. The required number of trees has not been met for the parking lot or buffers. In the parking lot, there must be three shade trees and one ornamental tree for every nine parking spaces. Kerry Buckley will speak with the landscape architect. Indian Magic Crabapples and Austrian Pines are not recommended. Six trees are listed as “fp” but are not in the planting schedule. The landscaper should call Scott Brewer. Steve Cash said the storm sewers within the right of way and the subservice drain (SSD) will be petitioned for the county drain. The remaining storm sewers on the site will be private. The SSDs need to be shown on the plans. He asked how will it be handled at the end of Commerce Drive and at the driveways. Mr. Cash requested the pipe be stubbed from the sough end and s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 8 noted on the plans. This allows the Surveyor’s Office to easily find the location. Letters of credit or bonds are needed in addition to all standard items to apply for a regulated drain. Surveyor’s details must also be shown. Steve Cash will prepare a comment letter. John South recommends a sediment basin at the southwest corner of the site for a watershed area. Kerry Buckley agreed. Gary Hoyt believes the building will be sprinkled. A meeting is needed to discuss particulars. Also a knox box is requested. nd Laurence Lillig asked if a proposed name had been submitted for 102 Street. This should be sent to the City Communications Department and the County Transfer and Mapping Department. An eight-foot asphalt path is required on both sides of Commerce Drive and 421. The size of the building is 127,000 square feet. One parking space is required for each 300 square feet. Mr. Lillig will write specific comments. He has not received a special use. Ms. Buckley said those were delivered last Friday. She reviewed her requests. The special use request is for a maximum front yard requirement for 421, no foundation plantings on the rear and side of the building, permitted parking within the front yard, maximum building height to exceed 35 feet, entrance proportions for architectural approval, and three sign variances. Laurence Lillig stated signage must be submitted with the ADLS application. He has not received a revised site plan for Target. Terry Jones needs a traffic impact study. The area has changed; he does not know if the assumptions and predictions of the traffic study for rezone are still pertinent. If not, modifications are needed. Steve Fehribach has done some type of study for the 421. The same intersections were previously reviewed. Laurence Lillig inquired about the plat. Two dimensions are marked with dash lines from 421. Ms. Buckley believes there is a curb. This needs clarification. One the Development Plan there appears to be a pipeline not indicated elsewhere. There is no easement for that line. Kerry Buckley is doing research to find out what the pipe is. Mr. Lillig also said the boundary of the property is not distinct from other lines. He would like to see a key map showing where it lies within the overall West Carmel Project. April Hensley asked if the “spite” strip should be closed. Laurence Lillig would like to see that happen. He does not want the strip of undevelopable land left out. The bank of the pond should not be in the right of way. The pond is owned by Ashbrook Subdivision and some of the owners of West Carmel Center. Steve Cash would like the right of way moved farther west; none of the slope should be in the right of way. The Surveyor’s Office required 15 feet from the edge of the slope to the right of way. Mr. Lillig asked how Commerce Drive will link up with North Augusta. This needs to be addressed. Meridian @ 465 – Thomson Consumer Electronics (DP/ADLS) The petitioner seeks approval (Development Plan; Architectural Design, Lighting & Signage) to establish a 297-space parking lot expansion on 13.9 + acres for Thomson Consumer Electronics. s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 9 rd The site is located southeast of West 103 Street and Superior Street. The site is zoned S- 2/residence; B-1/business; and B-5 business, and is located in the US 31 Overlay Zone. James Piggott, Jr., Woolpert LLP,a nd William Tornatore, Thomson Consumer Electronics, presented the project. The land is owned by the Pilgrim Lutheran Church and Thomson has an agreement to lease five acres. Three acres will be used for a parking facility between US 31 and Superior Street. Thomson will not use the driveway that runs through the Marriott property out rd to 103 Street. They will cut through tot he parking lot on Superior Street. There will be 253 new parking spaces. There is a landscape berm along US 31. The drainage is taken to the southeast corner and the existing pond that is on the church property. The pond provides adequate storm management for this expansion. The light plan limits the light off the property to .1 foot candles. John Lester had no comments. Scott Brewer is waiting for their response to his letter. Plans should include the removal of stakes and wires at the end of their maintenance agreement. Steve Cash stated no County drains are affected by this project. Craig Parks did receive the petitioner’s letter, but is has not been reviewed. The widening of the drives will be reviewed by Kate Weese once the revised plans are reviewed. Drainage cals have not been submitted. Gary Hoyt had no additional requirements. Laurence Lillig asked if Superior Street was a public right of way. Craig Parks responded that it was. Steve Broermann has paper work that shows it is a public right of way. Jim Piggott stated there is a 50 foot right of way. Craig Parks commented that this street is included in the mileage his department records with the State of Indiana. The parking lot requires an improvement location permit. The access road should be curbed as part of the project. There is not sidewalk on Superior Street. It was requested by Engineering. Jim Piggott said there are no sidewalks in the area. Landscaping on the east side of Superior Street would need to be removed to accommodate a sidewalk. Mr. Lillig thinks there is enough space to add a sidewalk. John Lester sees no great need for a sidewalk because of the church but is more concerned about the hotel. Pilgrim Lutheran has a curb cut on US 31. There is no pedestrian traffic to the church. A sidewalk commitment will be requested. Curbing is in and the landscape plan is updated. The church owns 3 parcels totaling 13 acres. Newark, Lots 4 (part)-7; Newark Village, Lots 2 & 3 (DP/ADLS; Z) The petitioner seeks approval (Development Plan and Architectural Design, Lighting & Signage; Rezone) to expand the existing Ace Hardware. The site is located at 731 South Range s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 10 Line Road. The site is zoned R-2/residence and B-7/ business. Filed by Paul G. Reis of the Reis Law Firm. Attorney Paul Reis explained the expansion for Ace Hardware. He introduced Mark Monroe, Stan Neal, and Dave Freiburger. Ace will expand their garden center, add a customer pickup area, and additional parking. John Lester did not get a set of plans. However, he has no concerns. The sidewalk is existing and will be redone with the reconstruction of Range Line. This is four foot wide. The new sidewalk will match the existing. Steve Krebs asked if there will be any relocation work for the phones. Two houses will be torn down and a disconnect will be needed. The service comes in through the conduit of the pole. The telephone and cable lines may have to be raised up on the pole. Chuck Shupperd said there would be no relocation of facilities. Scott Brewer commented that plans did not include existing vegetation on site. Paul Reis stated some trees will be removed with the existing houses. The buffer area will be altered with the parking lot. Two crabapples are listed. Scott Brewer will provide information on crabapple selection. Mr. Brewer would like to see removal of the guidelines and stakes within one year on maintenance plan. Steve Cash needs an outlet Request because the parcel is in the Hawkins regulated drain. Craig Parks does not have the drainage calcs. Stan Neal stated the detailed construction plans th will follow. Detention will utilize the parking lot. The case will be heard at the August 15 Plan Commission. Craig Parks asked for final construction drawings. mark Monroe stated they submitted preliminary construction drawings. Terry Jones must have time to prepare a staff report. If plans are substantial enough, they will move forward. Otherwise, the matter will be tabled. Dave Freiburger said he can get enough detail to the department. Gary Hoyt requested a knox box. This will be a covered garden center with an open lattice roof. It is connected in the same manner as the existing building and will match it. Terry Jones asked for a better depiction of covered area. It is difficult to figure out. Mark Monroe said it is more clear on the color depiction. The laminated beams run 24 feet. Beams will be added down the center to reduce the span to 12 feet. Signage will not change. The west and south elevations will be bricked. The east and north elevations are wood. The Plan Commission may want the east elevation to be bricked also. The siding will be 15-foot board and batten cedar. Mr. Jones suggested Ace consider a different type of lighting than wall packs. Upward lighting off the ground may be more acceptable to the Plan Commission. The existing garden center will be removed. The trash dumpster must come down. The petitioner will work with Scott Brewer on the landscape plan. The ground sign will be moved. Terry Jones wants the lot lines shown on the plan. Ace will indicate the houses scheduled for demolition on their plan. Laurence Lillig inquired if there was space for a buffer between the commercial and residential lot lines. Scott Brewer will investigate this. s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 11 Mayflower Park, Block 6, Lot 2 (131-00 DP/ADLS;V) The petitioner seeks approval (Development Plan; Architectural Design, Lighting & Signage; Developmental Standards Variance) to establish a Chrysler automobile dealership on 7.351 + th acres. The site is located at the southeast corner of West 99 Street and Michigan Road. The site is zoned I-1/industrial and is located within the US 421 Overlay Zone. Filed by Paul G. Reis of The Reis Law Firm for Chrysler Realty Corporation. Attorney Paul Reis represented the Petitioner. He introduced Bob Hurst the architect for the project. Mr. Reis cited the location and surrounding uses. He further described the proposed construction on the parcel. There is an existing, significant ditch off the back of the property. There are no plans for further development on the western portion of the parcel. John Lester did not get a copy of the plans. Because this is a platted subdivision, it should have sidewalks. An eight-foot asphalt path is required along 421. A five-foot concrete sidewalk is needed within the property. Steve Krebs has not seen plans. Michigan Road is the feeder point. A path is required in the overlay zone. Steve Broermann requested a copy of the plans even though the Highway Department is not affected by this project. Chuck Shupperd indicated there is a gas main in front of the property. He asked to be contacted later. Scott Brewer has not prepared comments yet. Because the parcel is in the 421 Overlay, a 30- foot greenbelt is required. Three shade trees and one ornamental tree are required for every one hundred feet. With six hundred feet of frontage 24 shade trees and 6 ornamental trees are required. The petitioner needs to look at the buffer guidelines for perimeter and interior parking requirements. Nothing is planned for the back or west side of the property. There are existing trees along the south boundary line that will not be disturbed. And, along the north boundary there are trees that will not be affected. There may be a need for a buffer between the commercial and industrial. Mr. Brewer would like more specie diversity. The front parking lot has Hawthorne trees. The thorns may be a problem. He has a list of disease resistant crabapple trees. Steve Cash stated this project is within the watershed for the Crooked Creek regulated drain. It ties into the outlet for the Crooked Creek drain, Mayflower arm. Associated with that watershed is an allowable discharge rate of .25 cfs per acre. Steve Cash must verify the status of this th particular lot. There is a large detention basin along 96 Street. The manhole is two thirds full of dirt. The storm line goes due east across the field and into Crooked Creek. There is a gravel entryway that was the location of the nursery. There is an easement associated with the storm th line along 99 Street. Steve Cash will verify this. They may or may not have to fine a non enforcement for encroaching. s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 12 Gary Hoyt sent a letter to Paul Reis listing his comments. Laurence Lillig said the architectural plans have been sent to the City’s consultant for review. As John South pointed out a path is needed along 421. The variances that were filed request a reduction in the number of plantings. Specific information is needed on what is being requested. Laurence Lillig wants to know what quantities are to be planted. Comments on the architectural report will be forwarded to the petitioner. He is waiting for the revised secondary plat from Browning. This is one of the lots on the plan. Terry Jones said the City suggested a deed of dedication on the plat to avoid filing for variances. Bonbar Place Subdivision (129-00 PP; SW) The petitioner seeks approval (Primary Plat) to plat 115 lots on 35.77+ acres. The site is located at the northwest corner of I-456 and the Monon Trail. The site is zoned R-1/residence and is being developed as a Qualifying Subdivision under ROSO. Filed by Paul G. Reis of The Reis Law Firm for Kosene & Kosene. Paul, Reis, Reis Law Firm, presented the case on behalf of Jacob Acquisitions, LLC. The parcel is located generally at eh northwest corner of the Monon Trail project and I-465. The Gibraltar st apartment complex and 101 Street were located on an aerial map. The nearby borrow pit was created during the construction of I-465. The parcel was “jumped over” in regard to development in the area. Single family development is on the other sides of the parcel. Roger Ward, Roger Ward Engineering, was introduced and available to answer technical questions. John Lester did send a letter but received no response. The first part of the Monon Trail project ill be underway in September to early spring. There is a piece of property still to be settled. The plans look like there will be three or four connections to the Monon Trail. Mr. Lester would like to work with the petitioner and also coordinate the connection of the Gibraltar property. It is very important that buyers be informed of the Monon Trails’ development. Laurence Lillig stated the ownership lines were unclear on the plans. Roger Ward stated the Bonbar property line went to approximately the center line of the Monon Trail. An easement has been purchased by Carmel. Mr. Lillig asked that the easement or ownership be verified and indicated o the plan as that affects open space calculations. The revised numbers are also needed. Steve Krebs asked about utility easements. Initially the petitioner proposed a minimum of five. A comment letter was received by the County Highway Department. They plan to move the sanitary line out of the right of way and the minimum easement on the front property line will probably change to 15 feet. Steve Broermann wrote a letter concerning the length of the cul de sac. The County Engineer will not support a variance for the length of that cul de sac. However, the petitioner can apply for a variance. The County has concerns involving the fire department and school busses. The length of the north cul de sac may not need a variance. Mr. Ward believes the length is under 600 feet. Mr. Broermann would like a cul de sac at the end of the stub at the north for a public s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 13 right-of-way to turn around. The condition of Marwood Drive is poor and must be st reconstructed. There has also been discussion about reconstructing 101 Street to a minimum pavement width to match the width from College back to Guilford. They will require 20 feet of pavement. Mr. Ward will research right of way dedication. Mr. Broermann requested this information be included on the primary plat or an agreement be written. Roger Ward asked if Marwood Drive needs to be resurfaced or completely reconstructed. The curb is deteriorated; beyond the driveway off of Marwood Drive there is little pavement. The County will work with the petitioner. The neighbors may want a limited access. Steve Broermann will meet with Roger Ward. The ingress/egress easements must be done in concrete. Roger Ward stated the north and south cul de sacs are necessary because the project is landlocked. He feels there is no other choice. The developer is glad the Monon Trail is there and will market that fact heavily. Chuck Shupperd would also like a wider easement. He foresees no problems. It will be developed at the same time. He requested a pre-construction meeting. Scott Brewer has not written a letter and did not receive a landscape or open space plan. Mr. Ward stated the landscape plan will be similar to Fairgreen Trace Phase II. They are trying to save as many trees as possible, particularly along the perimeter as a buffer for their neighbors. The trees along the Monon Trail will be be touched. This will be a tree preservation plan. The signage and entrance detail plans will be provided later. The land has been evaluated. Surveyors located and identified trees as scrub, young, and mature. Later the trees were classified in a conservative manner. Scott Brewer requested a site map showing construction lines and preservation ideas. This will help Mr. Brewer evaluate the plan. The petitioner has requested a variance to permit clearing of just under 70% of the scrub woodlands on the property. They are trying to save as many of the young and mature trees as possible. The open space ordinance calls for ponds to be landscaped with natural vegetation – herbaceous, woody, and wetland plants. Roger Ward stated the lake is actually a wetland.; they will install wetland plants. It will be a combination of wetland mitigation planting and some of their own landscaping. The lake will be an amenity. Mr. Brewer requested a copy of these plans. Mr. Lester suggested the petitioner contact the DNR regarding the lake. The open space provided, if including the Monon, is 47.5 percent. The amount needed to qualify for the density is under 25 percent. Loss of the Monon will not affect the calculations. Steve Cash stated this land is not being annexed. The project will have County roads. Petitions will be required for the storm sewers to make the County regulated drains. More information is needed in regard to the Primary Plat. This will be developed as one section. Mr. Cash needs an overall drainage report. They need to address offsite runoff, detention aspects, and to verify that the existing borrow pit has the capacity to contain the 100 year flood above whatever is passing through there. Safety is an issue when a subdivision is built around a borrow pit. Mr. Cash will need the bottom elevation. A safety shelf or ledge will be incorporated into the plan. Easements must be indicated on construction plans where storm sewer pipes cross property lines. The minimum 30 foot total easement is required. There is a 15-foot easement tope of bank requirement to provide access if work is required on the storm sewers. Information is needed on s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 14 how drainage will be handled for the lots that back up to Interstate 465. Information is also needed for any of the perimeter areas regarding swales, etc. st Gary Hoyt requested a fire hydrant at the corner of bonbar Lane and 101 Street. He echoed Steve Broermann’s comment on the length of the south cul de sac. The turning radius is also a problem. The north cul de sac is not a problem. Mr. Hoyt requested “No parking” signs by posted on eyebrows. Roger Ward said this would not be a problem. A total of 70 percent of the lots are on the east side of the drive. The arrangement of the fire hydrants is good. John Lester recommended 10-foot interior paths. The adjoining Monon Trail will have 12-foot wide paths. Laurence Lillig received an e-mail from jay Alley at Clay Regional Sewer. More detail is needed for review of the sanitary sewer service needs. Construction plans need to be submitted to the District'’ consulting engineers. The Communications Department is still waiting for street st names to be submitted for approval. On the north side of 101 Street there is a 40-foot half righ- of-way. There is a 16.5-foot half right-of-way on the south side. Mr. Lillig stated in the northwest area of the development, there is a radius marked as 100 feet. The subdivision control ordinance requires 150 feet. Mr. ward indicated that would work. Behind Lots 102 to 115, there is an ingress/egress easement. Mr. Ward said that would be a private alley for those lots. The garages would be behind the units. Alleys must be 12 feet wide and be no longer than 600 feet. Alleys must terminate at streets. Mr. Lillig will not allow the alley to loop and referred the petitioner to the Ordinance. Guilford Park Subdivision (109-00 PP) The petitioner seeks approval (Primary Plat) to plat 110 lots on 37.72 + acres. The site is located th at the southeast corner of East 116 Street and South Guilford Road. The site is zoned R- 1/residence and is being developed as a Qualifying Subdivision under ROSO. Filed by Paul G. Reis of The Reis Law Firm for Kosene & Kosene. Attorney Paul Reis was present on behalf of the petitioner, Brothers Acquisitions. Roger Ward was also available to answer questions. th John Lester wants paths and easements to be shown on the plan. Along 116 Street, Mr. Lester recommends a 10-foot wide path to accommodate the heavy traffic. A 20-foot easement is on the west side with a 10-foot wide path to the park. The developer needs to know that it may be an active park with noise and lights. Sidewalks might be better at six feet wide than four feet. Steve Krebs might need to install a cross connect point to feed this subdivision. This is a 10’ x 10’ pad, 4 foot high, and 5 foot across. It could be installed in the common area at the front of the subdivision. That location would be ideal but Mr. Krebs is open to other locations. This would help feed whatever will go back to the park area too. th Steve Broermann sent a letter with his comments. His largest concern is the intersection of 116 Street and Guilford Road that must be incorporated into the design. At some time in the future, s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 15 there will be a signal at the entrance. Some type of connection will be required. The eyebrows at the south end of the property will have to be common area and done in concrete. A stub street to the park is requested; it could be where a path is shown. The Highway Department requests a stub to all vacant land. Mr. Broermann will meet with Roger Ward. Mr. Ward wants to design th the property at 116 Street to coordinate with future improvements. The intersection offset at the entrance must be 150 feet from center line to center line. The petitioner could request a variance from the County Commissioners. All offsite work, sanitary and storm sewers, should be outside of future right-of-way. Mr. Broermann requested a meeting with Roger Ward. Chuck Shupperd stated the easement is okay. Scott Brewer noted, with the open space plan the petitioner is removing all of the scrub woodland. They will request a variance. The petitioner did not do a staked survey. On the east and south perimeters there is a tree line. Mr. Ward believes some of the trees are on their property; they are desired as natural screening. The preservation plan details are needed by Mr. Brewer. The two design open plan parkways should be a minimum of 50 feet. The open space plan indicates sections B and D are designated as designed open space parkways. These need to be relabeled; they may be trail linkage. In Block F the pond must be landscaped with native vegetation, herbaceous, woody, and wetland plants. The details are needed. Mr. Brewer thinks there are buffering requirements. Mark Monroe does not think the open space ordinance requires it. Scott Brewer does not recommend Bradford pears as they begin to self destruct after 15 years. There are types that do better—Cleveland Select, Red Squire, or Aristocrat. He would like to see a different type of tree than red maple planted to link the green. Mr. Brewer will submit a letter. Steve Cash cited his letter’s questions regarding the site. The development is not annexed. The Surveyor’s Office must approve the storm sewers. The site is within the water shed of the W.R. Fertig drain. The allowable discharge rate is 0.25 cfs per acre; it is important to note these rates. Mr. Cash needs an overall drainage report. more information is needed on the central common areas. There will be some dry detention. The only wet pond is on the northwest side of the project. Additional standard information is needed on the construction plans. The County requirement for storm pipe easements is 15 feet on half. Gary Hoyt thanked Mr. Reis for the plans showing the water main layout and placement of fire hydrants. Mr. Hoyt inquired if portions of Iris Drive and George Drive will be one way. Mr. Ward believes they are two-way drives. Laurence Lillig wants an agreement not to oppose annexation on this project and Bonbar Place. Streets must be 28 feet wide. Carmel street requirement is 30 feet. Regarding the five-foot easement, Mr. Lillig received a copy that was recorded in January. The Communications Department has not received a proposal for a second set of street names. Clay Regional Sewer needs more detail to review the sanitary sewer service needs. Construction plans need to be submitted tot he District’s consulting engineers. The petitioner should contact Ron Lauritsen for more information on submittal requirements. s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 16 Mr. Ward stated this project will be more expensive than Bonbar Place. The price range will be similar to Fairgreen Trace. Laurence Lillig wants the revision of the eyebrows. The rear yard easements must have a 10-foot half easement. There will be an eight-foot asphalt path on the west side of Iris Drive. The center area of the subdivision will have a park setting. Mr. Lester requested a meeting with Roger Ward. Estates of West Clay Subdivision (133 PP) The petitioner seeks approval (Primary Plat; Subdivision Waiver) to plat 25 lots on 45.32+ st acres. The site is located northwest of the intersection of West 131 Street and Ditch Road. The site is zoned S-1/residence and is being developed as a Non-Qualifying Subdivision under ROSO. Filed by Richard J. Kelly of Paul I. Cripe, Inc., for The Reserve at Springmill LP. st Steve Pittman explained the 45 acres are located at the northwest corner of 131 Street and Ditch Road. It is near the Village of WestClay. The name of project may change as “WestClay” has been trademarked. The engineer for this project is Rich Kelly from Paul I. Cripe. Mr. Pittmann proposes a low-density development of 25 lots on 45 acres. Every lot will be almost one acre in size and some lots will be over 2 acres. The subdivision is asking for several variances; 26-foot wide streets, private streets, almost 19 percent open space, and permission not to connect with other subdivisions. There are two points of entrance. An offsite sanitary sewer easement is needed from Brenwick. An offsite drainage easement is also required. There is another variance needed along Ditch Road for individual driveways for two houses. Plans include a wrought iron fence with openings for the two driveways. Ten-foot wide asphalt paths st will be installed along Ditch Road and 131 Street. John Lester suggested pedestrian crossing signs. John Lester commented previously on 10-foot wide trails. The footpaths will have heavy traffic. th Steve Krebs asked if the plans reflect 116 Street widening. Rich kelly said they do not. The Highway Department was contacted. The road has two 12-foot half rights-of-way. Service will stst come from the south side of 131 Street. The growth plan on the north side of 131 Street is being fed from one cross box. Mr. Krebs may have a set equipment in the common area. It must have clear access by vehicle. Steve Broermann would like to see piping installed where the path crosses the creek. He commented that the south side looks as it does because that owner would not give up any more property. He suggested lengthening the pipe by two more sections. The petitioner will request a variance from the Auditor’s Office for the 26 feet. Because of this variance, the streets would be private. There should not be a problem with two driveway permits. The non-enforcement easement will be added to the plat. One access point should be shown. st Chuck Shupperd said there is gas service on Ditch and 131. There is no problem. Ditch Road stubs into this parcel. However, he requested a preconstruction meeting. There should be a utility easement. s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 17 Scott Brewer has not written a letter yet. He did not get a copy of their open space plan. Rich Kelley says the plat relays the open space plan. The detention ponds are included in the designed open space. They must be landscaped with native materials. Mr. Brewer needs landscape plans. The perimeter vegetation will remain and is not included in the common area. He needs plans showing how the perimeter vegetation will be preserved. It is basically a fence row. The ordinance stated the open space must be a minimum of one half acre in size and 75 feet wide. Steve Pittman will meet with Scott Brewer to determine if the plan meets the ordinance. The area by the creek will have an outlet pipe from pond to creek. They will clean the drainage path. The open spaces will be landscaped. Specific details must be provided. Steve Cash stated the large lots make drainage easy. Standard petition submittals will be required. There is an overall drainage report; it will be sent to Steve Cash. On the county map, st the Elliot Creek is shown as a regulated drain south of 131 Street. ken Ward will expect the same clear requirements. A drainage easement should be indicated on the plan. The north outlet is already regulated. Steve Cash requested a copy of the amended plans. Gary Hoyt asked if this will be a gated community. That decision will be made by the homeowners. The gates will be non-operational. If owners want it to be a gated community, they will have to approach the City. Laurence Lillig stated Carmel will oppose the waivers (private streets and 26-foot streets) as they did for Springwood Subdivision. There is no signage plan. The details on the proposed fencing are required. Hazel Dell Corner, Lot 6 (SU) The petitioner seeks approval (Special use) to establish a day care facility on 1.46 + acres to be st known as Children’s World Learning Center. The site is located northwest of East 131 Street and Hazel Dell Parkway. The site is zoned B-3/business. Filed by Darren Pittman of Falcon Engineering for Aramark Educational Resources. Cort Crosby explained, as developer of the entire site, they would present the conceptual description. As individual lots are developed, each will be presented for Secondary Plat approval. Aramark Educational Resources has construction plans for a day care facility. These need to be reviewed with overall plans. The Primary Plat was presented earlier. There were only a few changes. Darren Pittman, Falcon Engineering, explained the proposed plans for Lot 6. This project will be a 10,000 plus square foot building for 19 workers and 170 children. John Lester confirmed that the existing comon area path was built by the owners of the day care center. The path behind the buildings is six or eight feet wide. Enlow, a new Carmel park, is st being constructed east on 131 Street. This will be a water feature park for children. Dick Hill suggested a meeting with Kate Weese. The plans presented for Lot 6 do not coincide with the plans Cort Crosby gave the City. This discrepancy particularly involved the accel/decel lanes and storm sewers. s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 18 st Chuck Shupperd stated gas service is available off 131 Street. They might come off the subdivision across Hazel Dell to serve the two lots. He suggested a meeting. The petitioner wants gas service. Scott Brewer sent comments to Darren Pittmann. It is a good plan and he is very impressed. A six-foot chain link fence will be installed around the perimeter, excluding the parking lot, during construction. Mr. Brewer suggested care of the tree roots. Steve Cash distributed his letter regarding Lot 6. He has concerns about the difference between Darren Pittmann’s plans and Cort Crosby’s plans. His comments are self explanatory. Three basis permits are needed. They are: an outlet request permit to discharge into the drain, the crossing permit, and the non-enforcement for encroaching upon the 75-foot drainage easement. The lots near the Mitchner Drain will be required to have an outlet request. However, if it is being installed by Lot 6, Steve Cash will only need one. He will not double assess them. Gary Hoyt understands the building will not be sprinkled. The State of Indiana may require it as they did for Goddard School. A knox box is requested. There is a kitchen in the plan with a six- burner stove. Any size over four burners is considered commercial and a hood compression system would be required. The day care may wish to downgrade to a four burner stove. The egress plan is good. if the building is changed to a sprinkled system, Mr. Hoyt requested a meeting. Laurence Lillig met with Darren Pittman. His comments were addressed previously. The paper work filed was incorrect. this is a special use, not a special exception. The petitioner must also file a secondary plat and ADLS for this property. Mr. Lillig has not had an opportunity to review the construction plans; he will do so in the next few days. Dick Hill noted some signage and irrigation within the right of way. These would have to be approved by the Board. They would need a consent to encroach. The TAC meeting adjourned at 5:15 p.m. s:\\TechnicalAdvisoryCommittee\\Minutes\\tac2000july 19