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Carmel/Clay Technical Advisory Committee Minutes
October 18, 2000
Members present:
Laurence Lillig – Carmel DOCS John South – Ham. C. Soil & Water
Scott Brewer – Carmel Urban Forester Chuck Shupperd – Indiana Gas
John Lester – Carmel Parks & Rec. Steve Cash – Ham. Co. Surveyor
Dick Hill & Craig Parks – Carmel Eng. Gary Hoyt – Carmel Fire Dept.
Bruce Knott – Carmel Fire Dept. Bill Akers – Carmel Communications
Others:
Toni Purcell – Weston homeowner James Lipe – Weston homeowner
American Village PUD (Rezone)
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The site is located northeast of West 106 Street and Michigan Road. The site is zoned
S-1/residence. Filed by Paul G. Reis of The Reis Law Firm for American Village
Properties.
Mike Speedy, represented American Village Properties, LLC and presented the case. He
introduced Attorney Paul Reis and Mark Monroe, clerk and land planner, The Reis Law
Firm, and Greg Snelling, CSO Engineers. They offered to answer any technical
questions.
Bill Akers received the plans for this project last week. The development needs street
names. Mr. Akers requested a separate meeting with the petitioners. There are some
two-story buildings along the perimeter and the balance of the buildings will be three
stories. The commercial buildings are 1.5 to 2 stories in height. The residential homes
are to the rear; the commercial will be in front. However, there is a mixed use in the
town center. These will have retail on the first floor and residential space above.
Chuck Shupperd has a gas line on Michigan Road. The interior road will be private. Mr.
Shupperd suggested a utility easement along the perimeter or on either side of the road.
He thought sewer and water service would probably want an easement also. The Gas
Company has an option agreement that he suggested the petitioner consider. This would
provide for a defined easement at a later date. Mr. Speedy agreed to work with them.
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John Lester saw no interior pathways on the plans. He sent the petitioner a letter. Mr.
Speedy stated this project would be pedestrian oriented. Sidewalks will be shown on
plan revisions. Mr. Lester will then review the plans.
Scott Brewer requested a separate meeting to discuss landscape plans. On page six of the
PUD Ordinance, the landscape standard calls for eight-foot canopy trees. These should
be nine feet. Mr. Brewer suggested using constructed soils around the commercial
buildings and parking lots. The soil can be compacted for construction while leaving
space for tree roots. Scott Brewer will get information on the soil to the petitioner. The
playground is beside the detention pond that runs north and south. Mr. Brewer is
concerned with safety issues. Mike Speedy said the playground would be fenced. Tree
preservation issues will be discussed in a separate meeting. The conceptual landscaping
does not appear to match what is required in the PUD in terms of parking space, buffer
requirements, and the 30-foot buffer along Michigan Road. Mike Speedy said the PUD
allows for flexibility in standards to accommodate the uniqueness of the proposal. He
will discuss these aspects with Mr. Brewer.
John South sent a letter to Mr. Reis regarding soil limitations. He wants to make certain
wells are properly capped. The drainage plan in its conceptual state looks good. The
north watershed needs to be accommodated. Mr. South is pleased about tree preservation
at the east end of the property. The aerial photo shows an odd shaped oval. John South
asked if that is a wet area not being cropped. Mr. Speedy is sure it is not.
Gary Hoyt sent a letter to Paul Reis and asked if the buildings would be sprinkled. Mike
Speedy stated most would be. They will follow the Indiana Fire Code. Mt. Hoyt
requested a meeting to discuss placement of fire connections. The Fire Department needs
outside access to sprinklers, especially with the apartments. Three or four more fire
hydrants should be strategically set. Mr. Hoyt needs to know how many stories will be in
each building. He also requested a Knox box on the retail center and clubhouse and a set
of plans that shows road widths.
Laurence Lillig inquired about the U.S. 421 right of way. Mr. Speedy indicated that
INDOT has taken the land they need. Mr. Lillig had concerns about the 421 right of way,
the treatment of greenbelt landscaping, and the multi-use path. Mike Speedy indicated
the sidewalk plan would be prepared in the detail stage. It would be helpful to receive
that plan before the Plan Commission meeting. Mr. Lillig would like to schedule a
separate meeting to go over the Ordinance. In regard to the Section 12 ADLS approval,
Laurence Lillig has the lighting, conceptual landscaping, and parking plan. He does not
have architectural elevations. Mr. Speedy said he would provide them. PUDs are
prohibited west of Spring Mill Road. A variance to overcome that obstacle was filed
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October 13. It will be on the November 27 BZA agenda. The anticipated Plan
Commission date is in December for the rezone. Mr. Speedy thought it would be heard
by the November Plan Commission. Steve Engelking has decided they must first proceed
with the BZA matter; the rezone will be heard at the December Plan Commission. Mr.
Lillig requested a separate meeting to review the Ordinance.
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Steve Cash stated the proposed plan takes this site into the Crooked Creek watershed.
There is an allowable discharge of .25 csf per acre. This has been in effect for a number
of years. Greg Snelling commented that Mayflower Park was not restricted. Mr. Cash
responded that the northern half of Mayflower Park has been restricted, but that is based
upon what was exiting on site. Within the Mayflower arm of Crooked Creek, .25 csf is
required for acreage. Much goes to the north. Mr. Snelling believes their site is at the
northern split and is not sure how much goes to this property. He thinks they have
enough detention on site to handle this. Mr. Cash indicated this requirement has been in
effect since 1989 or 1990. A direct outlet is required. It is an arm of a Hamilton County
regulated drain. Mr. Cash said, when Mayflower Park was developed, this would not
have been required if nothing was added to the impervious area. They are grandfathered.
John Lester needs a sidewalk plan.
Plum Creek Farms, Section 6 (Secondary Plat)
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The site is located northeast of East 126 Street and Hazel Dell Parkway. The site is
zoned S-1/residence. Filed by J. Cort Crosby of the Schneider Corporation for Plum
Creek Development.
Cort Crosby explained that the 23 lots on 6.9 acres comprise the last section of Plum
Creek Subdivision. The section is small; many of the utilities are in. Small runs of
sanitary and storm sewer are probably needed. The storm calcs have been given to the
engineers. The developer wants to get the section in before the end of the winter.
Steve Cash stated the subdivision has been annexed into the City and is, therefore, under
the Engineer’s office. The permit for discharge into the Mitchener watershed drain has
been approved.
Bill Akers sent a letter about the Kiawah Court name change. That street runs in a
different direction in a portion of another section. It was addressed differently. The
name will be changed to avoid altering the addresses for existing residents. Delaware
Trace will change the name of their street as it has not been developed.
Chuck Shupperd thinks the section is ready as it was designed with Sections 5 and 6. The
work will not take long.
John Lester had no comments.
Scott Brewer does not know about previous landscaping. Cort Crosby stated there will
be street trees. This section is against the golf course. There was a perimeter greenbelt,
but this section is in the middle. Mr. Brewer would like to know the type of trees to be
planted on the streets.
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John South sent a letter. The erosion control plan looked fine. Some correction is
required on the rear yard swales. It may have been done.
Craig Parks will write a letter today. He questioned how the lots that back up to the pond
will deal with drainage. The corner lot and top of the bank elevations look the same.
There will not be a mound.
Gary Hoyt has not seen this plan. But reviewing it now, the conceptual plan looks the
same as the original plan. He thinks they are okay with what is proposed.
Laurence Lillig thinks he had a voice mail about the building line. Cort Crosby said the
developer has been using 25 feet; the Ordinance calls for 22 feet. However, they may
need 22 feet on the interior corner lots. Laurence Lillig thinks the primary plat shows 25
feet. Mr. Crosby believes the developer will want 22 feet for all of the lots. Mr. Lillig
responded that if only corner lots and interior curves need 22 feet, then department
approval would be possible. However, this cannot be approved for the entire section.
This is the last section. All other lots on either side do have 25’ building lines. The
problem exists on lots 215 and 216. Laurence Lillig is concerned that a change would
create a problem for the inspectors. Because the primary plat did not show this, it is too
late in the process to change. If only a few lots are involved, then Mr. Lillig can discuss
it with Steve Engelking and Terry Jones. Mr. Crosby requested he do this. The Kiawah
Court street name has been discussed. In the Legend, the monuments and markers need
dimensions of length, width, and diameter. They should be included in Section 8.2 of the
subdivision regulations. On sheet number 1, a key map is needed to indicate where
Section 6 is within the entire subdivision. East 126 Street needs to be labeled on sheet
number 1. The administrative certificate is in place. Laurence Lillig will contact Cort
Crosby in regard to the building line question. Cort Crosby provided a subdivider
agreement form.
Kensington Place Subdivision (Replat)
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The site is located southeast of East 136 Street and Old Meridian Street. The site is
zoned R-4/residence. Filed by Stan Neal of Weihe Engineering for Kensington Partners.
The case was presented by Stan Neal. He introduced Virginia and John Kerr, the owners
of the subdivision. They are replatting eight lots. Kensington Place Subdivision was
approved in 1985. The Kerrs became the owners; they are building the townhouse.
During that construction and selling of the lots, they found some lot size restrictions.
They wish to replat certain lots to a size that better accommodates the homes now being
constructed. In the replatting process, it has not been necessary to change drainage or
utility easements. There are two places along the west side where drainage structures are
in place and run to the west line of the lots. Those easements are not being replatted or
changed on this plat. The site is serviced by all City utilities.
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Steve Cash stated no county regulated drains are affected. This is under the City’s
jurisdiction.
Bill Akers had no comments.
Chuck Shupperd has a gas line nearby.
John Lester had no comments.
Scott Brewer had no comments.
John South counted 20 lots instead of 19 lots as stated. Stan Neal said the northern most
lot, number twenty-two, will provide some off-site parking space for the other lots. It
will not be used as a building lot. It will be a common area. The homeowners’
association will pay for the maintenance of that lot. Laurence Lillig asked that the site be
marked as a common area, not as a lot on the plat.
Dick Hill and Craig Parks had no major issues but asked where the utility easement could
be accessed. Mr. Neal added that the access easement is for a transformer, meter reading,
and an air conditioner. It can be accessed from the back of the lots. Craig Parks asked if
it could be accessed straight from the road. Stan Neal said that would not be possible
because there is a building on the lot. This is a unique subdivision for the Carmel area.
Gary Hoyt did not receive a set of plans. But his review at the meeting resulted in no
outstanding issues.
Laurence Lillig had comments specific to the document itself. The lots being amended
should be marked or designated as “A” for future identification. The old square footage,
lots numbers, and lot lines, do not need to appear any longer and should be removed.
Their presence confuses the drawing. Mr. Lillig asked if Mr. Neal could further lighten
lots not being amended or make the amended lots bolder. Mr. Neal agreed to make that
change. The half right of way and street names need to be indicated. The roadway
stretch will be identified as East 136 Street. Also, lot 22 should be designated as block C.
Richard L. Hayles Two-Level Luxury Townhouses, Block A (Primary Plat
Amendment; Special Use). 169-00 PP Amend, 170-00 SP, SU 186-00 PP.
The site is zoned B-3/business. Filed by James J. Nelson of Nelson & Frankenberger for
C & G Realty.
Attorney Jim Nelson explained the project and introduced Stan Neal of Weihe Engineers.
Mr. Nelson requested the fees for these dockets. C & G Realty is an affiliate of World
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Wide Motors, the Mercedes dealership on East 96 Street. They will purchase, from
Indiana Basketball Academy, an undeveloped 1.65 acre parcel of real estate. It is located
between the Basketball Academy and the self storage facility. The general common
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address is 3800 Bauer Drive West. The parcel is zoned B-3. The petitioner wishes to
construct a 7,500 single story building. Materials and exterior color will be in keeping
with World Wide Motors. The facility will be used for new car preparation, there will be
five to six employees, there will be no lighting within the parking area, and no signage is
proposed. The drawing represents the site plan and shows the single story building
location near Bauer Drive West. There will be a shared entrance with the Basketball
Academy and 113 parking spaces. The landscaping plan proposes saving the substantial
stand of existing trees. The front, rear, and side elevations were represented. The
exterior finish will utilize concrete block painted gray with an accent strip at the top.
Steve Cash had no comments.
Bill Akers will assign an address for the proposed building.
Chuck Shupperd knows there is a gas main near the site. The line can be extended. He
gave Mr. Nelson the business card for their commercial rep.
John Lester had no issues.
Scott Brewer commented there is a 30-foot drainage easement along the back of the
property. A buffer is required between commercial and residential property. He believes
the existing stand of trees should satisfy the residents. Stan Neal said the trees would not
be disturbed. Jim Nelson added that paving would stop short of the tree line. Scott
Brewer requested an amended landscape plan with the tree line and the construction
fence to protect the existing trees. Mr. Brewer asked if any street trees would be planted.
He believes a five-foot strip is required on the east border of the property. Mr. Lillig will
comment on that.
John South sent a letter to Stan Neal inquiring about erosion control and the existing
swale. Mr. Neal responded that the original swale was put in when Bauer Park was
constructed. The drainage swale carries water to the detention pond built on the east side
of the Lakeshore Drive. There are drainage structures under Lakeshore to the retention
pond. John South stated there is another small swale to the south. Craig Parks said the
plans for the Basketball Academy show a detention area. He thinks the new plan looks
like the petitioner is filing in the detention area rather than adding detention space. Stan
Neal commented that the detention area in the northeast corner of Bauer Park and the
southeast corner of Briar Creek Woods was designed to provide detention for both. No
detention is shown on site. Craig Parks said the Basketball Academy drainage calcs
show that additional drainage was needed. However, if the petitioner can prove that
additional retention is not needed, that will be okay. There was correspondence between
the last developer and the Engineer that did not address City concerns. The petitioner
must prove the detention is not needed. The original plan did not have the same
impervious area. Dick Hill has not finished his review. The name of the project, Two
Level Luxury Townhouses, confused all. Stan Neal stated he could add parking lot
detention. He does not know if the Basketball Academy drainage calcs were for the
whole site. Mr. Neal will take care of this.
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Gary Hoyt sent a letter with his comments. The building will probably not be sprinkled
but will have a Knox box.
Laurence Lillig stated the process will involve a primary plat amendment with a public
hearing at the November Plan Commission. Then, the secondary plat or replat of the
property will be administratively approved through the Department of Community
Services. The replat should show the entire tract or block. Designation for those should
be Tract or Block A1 and A2. Stan Neal inquired what was needed on the primary plat
amendment. The block with the new lines and any existing structures should be included.
Stan Neal will provide dash lines on existing buildings. The proposed development could
be included. Mr. Lillig stated only the existing conditions, including topography and
structures, are required. Also, the new easements and lot line should be added. The
Department would support suspending the rules providing the documents are ready in
time for the meeting. Splitting this block into two pieces should not be a difficult
exercise. The 5-foot setback for the parking spaces is only required where a lot adjoins
residential zoning. Parking is allowed in front of this project.
Dick Hill inquired if this is an existing curb cut. Mr. Neal said there is a curb cut for the
Basketball Academy. Dick Hill may require another access easement. Stan Neal will
show that easement on the plat.
Laurence Lillig spoke with Terry Jones, Carmel Building Commissioner. Mr. Jones
recalls there may be architectural commitments agreed to by Basketball Academy. He
will look into this. If located, Laurence Lillig will provide a copy. Jim Nelson believes
there may have been discussions about height. Phase two included this parcel with a 50
percent building increase and additional parking.
Common Areas 3 & 4A, Lakes @ Hazel Dell, Section 1, Replat - 174-00 SP
Filed by Dave Sexton of The Schneider Corporation for Zaring Homes of Indiana, LLC.
Dave Sexton presented the case to replat two common areas. Section 1 of Hazel Dell
Subdivision has been platted and constructed. When the plat was recorded, each entire
block was designated as drainage and utility easements. Since that time, the petitioner
has sought a special use for the clubhouse and pool in Common Area 3. It has recently
been brought to their attention that the clubhouse is in an easement. The purpose is to
replat both common areas, remove the blanket easement, and only plat easements where
they are really appropriate. On the original plat, there were perimeter easements along
the right of way. They remain. The petitioner has added three or four additional
easements across both parcels for existing sanitary sewers or storm sewers.
Steve Cash had no comments.
Dave Sexton stated there would be no additional construction.
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Bill Akers responded that the clubhouse has a street address.
Chuck Shupperd, John Lester, John South, and Scott Brewer had no comments.
Dick Hill wants assurance that what has been eliminated covers drainage. Mr. Sexton
said it does. Dave Sexton needs to supply an overlay showing the clubhouse and the
various pipes to indicate easements that cover them. Dick Hill believes there are
encroachment easements that are affected by this. There is a wall on 4A. Mr. Sexton
does not know about the irrigation system.
Gary Hoyt had no comments.
Laurence Lillig stated a sign application must be submitted for the pool house. On the
recorded plat, the title block “Lakes at Hazel Dell Section 1” should be the largest
followed by “Replat of Common Areas”. No signature name should be included with the
commission certificate. Steve Engelking normally signs, but if he is not available this
saves crossing out his name.
The meeting adjourned at 10:50 a.m.
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