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City of Carmel
CARMEL/CLAY PLAN COMMISSION
SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE
AUGUST 5, 2003
The regularly scheduled meeting of the Special Study Committee met at 7:00 PM in the Caucus Rooms
of City Hall.
Committee members in attendance: Leo Dierckman; Ron Houck; Nick Kestner; Dianna Knoll; and
Wayne Wilson, thereby establishing a quorum.
Angie Butler attended the meeting on behalf of the Department of Community Services.
The following items were considered:
1.Docket No. 97-03 ADLS Amend; (03060014);
Meridian Technology Center - 501 Congressional
The petitioner seeks Amended Architectural Design, Exterior Lighting, Landscaping & Signage
approval for a tenant directory sign. The site is located at 501 Congressional Blvd. The site is zoned
B-6/Business.
Sherry Marchbanks of A Sign by Design for Duke Realty LP
Filed by .
Sherry Marchbanks of A Sign by Design appeared before the Committee on behalf of Duke Realty.
Approval is being requested for a tenant directory sign, 60 square feet. The petitioner will be
appearing before the BZA for a variance for the size of the sign. The rendering of the sign does not
show landscaping.
Leo Dierckman was OK with the sign itself, but felt the Duke logo was unnecessary and should not
appear on the sign.
Department Report, Angie Butler. The Department is recommending denial due to the size and type
of sign.
Leo Dierckman moved for approval of the sign, conditioned upon landscaping around the sign
approved by the Department, and NO Duke logo on the sign. The motion was seconded by Wayne
Wilson and APPROVED 5-0.
At this time, item 5., Docket No. 115-03 ADLS Amend, Parkwood Crossing, was heard out of
sequence.
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2. Docket No. 98-03 ADLS Amend; (03060015);
Merchants' Pointe - Forum Credit Union
The petitioner seeks Amended Architectural Design, Exterior Lighting, Landscaping & Signage
approval for a wall sign. The site is located at 2259 East 116th Street. The site is zoned
B-8/Business.
Tom Ely Jr. of The Sign Group for Forum Credit Union
Filed by .
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Tom Ely, Jr. of The Sign Group, 5370 West 84 Street, Indianapolis appeared before the
Committee representing the applicant. Also in attendance were Brian Crum of Forum Credit Union,
and Chuck last name?? with Credit Union Service Centers.
Currently, the sign is 45 square feet, 22.7% of which is logo and conforms to the Ordinance. The
Credit Union Service logo is proposed for addition to the existing sign. The proposed logo is for
participating members of the credit union.
Ron Houck recommended reducing the size of the second logo so that it would be the same size as
the “m” in Forum. The petitioner said the sign is illuminated at night.
Angie Butler reported for the Department. The Department is recommending approval once all
comments and concerns of the Committee have been addressed.
The Committee was very complimentary of the Forum building—it is really a nice looking,
impressive building.
Nick Kestner agreed—the building is really “first class” as is. Nick Kestner was not in favor of
adding another logo and thought it would be too much clutter.
Docket No. 98-03 ADLS Amend
Ron Houck moved for approval of , an additional logo,
conditioned upon its size being no larger than the existing logo on the sign, and that the new logo
would fit within the boundaries of the “M” in Forum. Ron Houck’s motion was seconded by Leo
APPROVED
Dierckman and 4 in favor, 1 opposed (Kestner.)
3. Docket No. 94-03 DP Amend/ADLS; (03060011);
Three Meridian Plaza - First Indiana Bank (Amended Development Plan)
The applicant seeks approval to construct a drive-thru banking facility. The site is located
at 10333 North Meridian Street. The site is zoned B-5 Business and is within the US 31
Overlay Zone.
Filed by Steven B. Granner of Bose McKinney & Evans for First Indiana Bank.
Steve Granner of Bose McKiney & Evans, and Bob Olson with CSO Architects appeared before the
Committee representing First Indiana Bank.
A major revision in this project is that the new point of access on Pennsylvania Street has been
removed. According to Steve Granner, City Engineer Kate Weese had indicated that if a curb cut
at this location were pursued, the City would request full dedication of right-of-way for
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Pennsylvania Street expansion from the petitioner. The access issue is a dead one, since all access
points have been consolidated into one.
With the removal of the second access point, an additional 23 parking spaces have been added to the
plan. The parking is in compliance with the Ordinance. The parking data Table has been added to
the plan. The required spaces are 384, the existing situation has 396 spaces; the net result will be 387
spaces, still in compliance with the Ordinance.
Setbacks have been added on the plans; the canopy is now out of the Pennsylvania right-of-way.
Three setback lines have been added and are 25 feet behind the established setback building line. The
petitioner will be appearing before BZA for a variance for setback lines for the accessory building.
The accessory building is the same color and materials as the existing office building.
The lettering is green and the same as the other signs. The petitioner is requesting two directional
signs and will be appearing before the BZA for a variance to cover the poles at the bottom of the
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sign. The location of the ground sign is on 103 Street.
In response to comments from Ron Houck, the applicant agreed to use sconces on ether side of the
door rather than wall packs. The petitioner will provide the Department with a cut-sheet. The only
lights on the building are under the canopy.
Docket No. 94-03 DP Amend/ADLS, Three Meridian Plaza,
Ron Houck moved for approval of
First Indiana Bank,
conditioned upon replacement of the wall packs with sconces and also
providing cut sheets to the Department. Ron Houck’s motion was seconded by Wayne Wilson and
APPROVED
5-0.
4. Docket No. 108-03 ADLS Amend; (03070005);
Wilson Office Complex, Bldg B - Remodel
The petitioner seeks Amended Architectural Design, Exterior Lighting, Landscaping & Signage
approval for a building remodel. The site is located at 969 Keystone Way. The site is zoned B8/431
Overlay.
Steve Wilson for W & W Properties, LLC.
Filed by
Steve Wilson of W & W Properties appeared before the Committee representing the applicant.
Approval is being sought for a building remodel at 969 Keystone Way within the 431 Overlay.
Steve Wilson explained that the restaurant space is being converted to office space, 8,000 square
feet. The offices consist of 6 independent units, each with its own ground floor entrance and
covered porch. The remodel will match the existing in color and materials—the lighting will be the
same.
A detailed landscape plan was provided to Scott Brewer, Urban Forester; to date, no comments
have been received. The construction plans show where the signage would be located; the signs are
not lit.
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Angie Butler reported for the Department. The applicant has provided a report regarding a past
variance; however, the Department cannot verify the variance.
The Committee had favorable reaction to the remodel of the office complex. The complex is much
improved with the restaurant gone and the conversion to offices. The Committee talked about
various tenant signs displayed within the complex—there does not seem to be consistency. Overall,
the signs are old and tired and need to be updated. The entire complex needs a new sign package.
Leo Dierckman suggested setting the signage aside in this evening’s review and letting the petitioner
work out the signage with the Department.
of Docket No. 108-03 ADLS Amend, Wilson Office
Leo Dierckman moved for approval
Complex, Bldg. B, Remodel,
exclusive of signage, seconded by Wayne Wilson. The vote was 5 in
APPROVED
favor, none opposed, motion .
The petitioner will work with the Department on Signage.
5. Docket No. 115-03 ADLS Amend; (03070017);
Parkwood Crossing - Made 2 Manage Systems
The petitioner seeks Amended Architectural Design, Exterior Lighting, Landscaping & Signage
approval for a wall sign. The site is located at 450 East 96th Street. The site is zoned B-6/Business
within the US 31 Overlay Zone.
Sherry Marchbanks of A Sign by Design
Filed by .
Sherry Marchbanks of A Sign by Design appeared before the Committee on behalf of Made 2
Manage Systems. The proposed wall sign is 115 square feet and in compliance with the sign
ordinance. The sign will show as black during the day, white at night, with no Duke logo on the
sign. The materials are day/night plex, cool gray color, aluminum “can” with black trim cap.
Angie Butler reported for the Department. The Department is recommending approval once the
Committee’s comments and concerns have been addressed.
Docket No. 115-03 ADLS Amend
Leo Dierckman moved for approval of , wall sign, as presented,
APPROVED
(no Duke logo) seconded by Wayne Wilson, and with a 5-0 vote.
(TABLED INDEFINITLY)
6. Docket No. 150-02b OA;
Amendments to the Carmel/Clay Zoning Ordinance – Patch #4
The petitioner seeks to add new provisions to and make several corrective amendments to
the Zoning Ordinance.
Filed by the Department of Community Services.
(TABLED INDEFINITLY)
7. Docket No. 162-02 OA; 163-02 CPA
Amendment to the Carmel/Clay Zoning Ordinance - Agricultural District
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Amendment to the Carmel/Clay Comprehensive Plan - Agricultural District
The petitioner seeks to add a new zoning district to the Zoning Ordinance.
Filed by the Department of Community Services.
ADD-ON ITEM:
Dick’s Sporting Goods
Anchor E-1, Clay Terrace
The Committee reviewed the building elevations for the prototype building to be located in the Clay
Terrace center.
To sum it up, the Committee was less than impressed with the proposal and suggested to the
Department that Dick’s Sporting Goods return to the original design. The consensus was that
Dick’s Sporting Goods current proposal is Not Going to Fly!
There being no further business to come before the Board, the meeting was adjourned at 7:50 PM.
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Dianna Knoll, Chairperson
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Ramona Hancock, Secretary
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