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City of Carmel
CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION
SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE
THURSDAY, APRIL 13, 2006
Minutes
Present:
Representing the Committee:
Leo Dierckman
Mark Rattermann
Madeleine Torres (arrived at 6:49p.m.)
Susan Westermeier
Representing the Department:
Christine Barton-Holmes
Matt Griffin
Mike Hollibaugh
Of Counsel:
John Molitor
Leo Dierckman called the meeting to order at approximately 6:00 PM.
The Special Studies Committee met to consider the following items:
1.Docket No. 06030018 ADLS Amend: Jameson Inn – Signage
The applicant seeks approval for two new signs.
The site is located at 10201 Meridian is zoned B-6 and is in the US Highway 31 Overlay.
Filed by Tracy from A-1 Expeditors.
The petitioner
commented that the Signature Inns are changing to Jameson Inns nationwide and
that Jameson Inn wants to replace the signs that are currently there.
Matt Griffin
reported that the Department is recommending approval of this request as presented.
Mark Rattermann approve06030018 ADLS Amend:
made formal motion to Docket Number
Jameson Inn – Signage, seconded by Susan Westermeier, Approved 3-0.
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2.Docket No. 06030011 ADLS Amend: Meridian Park Place- Signage
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The applicant seeks approval for two new ground signs.
The site is located at 12220 N Meridian is zoned B-2 and is in the U.S. 31 Overlay.
Filed by Doug Staley Jr. for Staley Signs, Inc.
Doug Staley, Jr., Staley Signs,
said that this request was occasioned by one of the signs being hit
by an automobile. The petitioner would be removing the park shop sign and replacing with signs
of the same size and shape. There is a slight modification to the signage and that is the changing of
the color to a bronze face.
Matt Griffin
reported that the Department is recommending approval as presented.
Susan Westermeier
was definitely in favor of the new color of green.
approve06030011 ADLS Amend:
Mark Rattermann made formal motion to Docket Number
Meridian Park Place-signage, approved 3-0.
, seconded by Susan Westermeier
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3.Docket No. 06040009 ADLS Amend: Chase ATM Structure and Signage
The applicant seeks approval for the placement of an ATM kiosk and its signage.
The site is located at 200 E. Carmel Drive and is zoned B8 within the Range Line
Rd./Carmel Dr. Overlay.
Filed by George Geiger of Dana Signs for Chase Bank.
George Geiger of Dana Signs
appeared before the Committee representing Chase Bank. Mr.
Geiger handles Chase Bank signjurisdiction for the east coast. Mr. Geiger said that what was
presented to the Committee was hypothetically what Chase was looking at. Mr. Geiger understood
that there might be some conflict with the color, inasmuch as staff was suggesting a more earthy
tone. Mr. Geiger noted that Chase would prefer to have the lighting on the structure for the security
of the customer.
Matt Griffin
commented that generally, when kiosks come through, the Department typically
would like to see it tie back to the building somehow. Perhaps there is a way that the petitioner
could use building materials that would be a little more toned down.
Leo Dierckmann
clarified the height of the kiosk versus what existed on the site.
Matt Griffin
said that the Department would rather see colors and materials that would
complement the existing structure, such as earth tones and masonry.
Mark Rattermann
made formal motion to approve docket number 06040009 ADLS Amend:
3-0.
Chase ATM Structure and Signage, seconded by Susan Westermeier, Approved
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4.Docket No. 06010027 ADLS Amend: CVS
The applicant seeks approval for remodeling the façade of an existing building, with
integrated signage.
The site is locatedat1421 Rangeline Road South and is zoned B8.
Filed by Sandra Wrobel for CVS
Petitioner’s Presentation:
The petitionerpresented elevations to the Committee members and
described changes to be made to the façade. The petitioner stated that the parking and landscaping
would not change and that the existing red plastic sign would be removed and replaced by a sign
inset into the proposed EIFS archway.
Department Report, Christine Barton-Holmes:
The parking would not be impacted and there
would be no additional square footage on site. This particular request is for a new façade only—the
Department is recommending approval of the request.
The committee
confirmed that the only sign would be inset into the EIFS; the petitioner agreed.
motion to approve
Mark Rattermann made formal docket number 06010027 ADLS Amend: CVS,
seconded and unanimously approved 3-0
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5.Docket No. 06040010 ADLS Amend: United States Tennis Association (USTA)
Signage
The applicant seeks approval for 3 new signs.
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The site is located at 1310 E. 96 Street and is zoned PUD.
Filed by Andrew Schaewe of Browning Day Mullins Dierdorf Architects for the United
States Tennis Association.
Andrew Schaewe with Browning Day Mullins Dierdorf Architects presented the proposed project
to the Committee members.
Department Report, Matt Griffin:
At this time, theDepartment is recommending approval of the
petition.
The Committee
questioned and Matt Griffin confirmed that the uses were consistent with the PUD
ordinance.
Susan Westermeier motion to approve
made formal docket number 06040010 ADLS Amend:
Mark Rattermann, approved 3-0.
Unite States Tennis Association (USTA), seconded by
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6.Docket No: 05120025 Z 126 & Keystone/Gramercy PUD
The applicant seeks to rezone 116 acres from R2/Residential and R4/Residential to
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PUD/Planned Unit Development for the purpose of creating a mixed use development
comprised of townhouse, apartment, retail, and office uses.
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The site is located between Carmel Drive, 126 Street, Keystone Ave, and Auman Dr.
Filed by James Shinaver of Nelson & Frankenberger for Buckingham Properties Inc.
Present for the Petitioner:
Jim Shinaver, Nelson and Frankenberger; Sara Nasuti and David
Leazenby, Buckingham Properties.
Public Remonstrance:
anonymous resident
An presented that the neighborhood adjacent to the proposed development
was a suburban neighborhood and that the characteristics of a suburban neighborhood are what
brought most of the people to the area. He said that the neighborhood consists of long time
residents. He said that the Auman Addition is a great place to stroll and that the streets are used a
lot by school kids. The area in question is not assured to stay close to the R-2 zoning classification
standards. The North and West sides of the proposed Gramercy development are currently zoned
R-2. He said that residential areas are always going to be more important than commercial areas.
He said that their houses are the most important investment that most of the people in the
neighborhood have. He said that he wants to know what is going on and that he thinks that there
are some questions that need to be answered.
Angie Molt
said that she was there representing the Auman Addition. Ms. Molt commented that
the wording in Section 1 of the PUD Ordinance is very important in the event of a discrepancy. She
said that in theory the language in the Gramercy PUD Ordinance sounds okay, but when one refers
to the Schedule of Uses for a listing of what the residential uses are, residential uses would include
single-family, two-family, attached single family, multi-family, servant’s homes, boarding and
lodging homes, convalescent homes, etc. Ms. Molt noted that the tallest buildings are allotted along
the Keystone Corridor—perhaps there could be a gradual rise of building height to the tallest
buildings in the center. Ms. Molt hoped that the tallest buildings would not be the ten stories that
Buckingham was proposing. Ms. Molt asked that the building height be capped at 3-4 stories and
that the businesses allowed would be in keeping with the residential character of the
neighborhood—most of the neighborhoods that surround the proposed development are
low-density neighborhoods. Ms. Molt discussed roof types and building heights—the building code
for Carmel measures building height to the eaves. Ms. Molt commented that a majority of the uses
that Buckingham is proposing are actually prohibited uses; she requested that some of those uses
be removed.
Ms. Molt further commented that Buckingham wants to keep comparing the Gramercy
development to what is going on in the City Center, however, the redevelopment going on down
there was recapturing an old industrial area and realizes that there is a plan for the property out
there. Ms. Molt suggested that Buckingham or the City give the neighbors something that they can
continue to walk on through their neighborhood. This project could set a precedent for future
development in this area and Ms. Molt asked that the Committee and the City be proactive on this
project.
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John Sullivan, The Enclave HOA president,
doesn’t believe that any of the Plan Commission
members live in those neighborhoods back there, but asked that the Plan Commission members
drive through there. Mr. Sullivan asked that the Mohawk entrance be moved two hundred feet to
the West and that traffic in the Enclave be controlled by speed bumps and gating one of the
entrances. He presented results of a survey of whether the entrance should be moved or not. He
asked that no construction begin within the development until the Marsh entrance was complete.
Mr. Sullivan pointed out that the ordinance permits radio towers within the development. The
traffic situation in the area is horrible and must be resolved—a majority of the residents in the
Enclave are age sixty-five or older.
Petitioner’s Presentation: David Leazenby
discussed some of the recent changes that had been
made specifically with respect to the Auman Addition and presented a new conceptual development
plan showing more details of the proposed circulation of the site. Mr. Leazenby pointed out that
they had added more plazas and open space to the more detailed plan. The calculation on the site
plan that was presented is seven percent, but that there would actually be more than was shown on
the plans. A list was displayed of the meetings that Buckingham Properties has had with the
neighbors; the feedback received at those meetings has resulted in the changes that are reflected in
the packet today. David Leazenby discussed the proposed additions and modifications to the PUD
Ordinance and discussed uses that had been removed from the Permitted Uses list in the text of the
PUD ordinance. The building height has been dropped down to 100 ft. and softer rooflines have
been incorporated. Carmel Ordinances and regulations would prohibit entering a construction site
from a residential street.
Matt Griffin
said that Engineering has indicated that they are comfortable with the findings of the
traffic studies and that they are in support of what is going on. The petitioner would be required to
do or make monetary compensation for the road improvements in the area. The higher speed on
Auman Drive would be lowered because of the increase in the number of curb cuts. Up-dating the
infrastructure of the Auman neighborhood was not something that would be a scheduled event, but
that it would surely happen over time. At this time there are no scheduled projects for things to be
installed in the Auman neighborhood. Buckingham would like to put together the most new and
improved PUD ordinance for the next meeting; Leo Dierckman’s comments had been received, but
they have not yet been incorporated into the version of the PUD Ordinance that was distributed
tonight.
Leo Dierckman
expressed continued concern with the Southern-most curb cut and asked about the
status of the curb cut on Keystone.
David Leazenby
responded that the request for curb cut onto Keystone has been made to INDOT
and that is where it stands.
Leo Dierckman
said that he cares a lot about where the commercial is going to be and requested
that the petitioner submit a more detailed conceptual plan. Leo asked the petitioner to specify
blocks on the new conceptual plan and to also specify what the maximum height would be. Leo said
he realizes that the developer would like to maintain some flexibility, but that the Committee needs
more detail to know specifically what they will end up with. Specifically, the uses along the North
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and along Auman Drive need better definition and this should be designated on the plan. Leo
commented that he was less concerned with three to four stories along Keystone and was more
concerned with what happens along the neighborhood and what the people of the neighborhood end
up with. Leo asked the petitioner to write in uses and height restrictions.
Steve Fehribach, traffic engineer with A & F Engineers,
commented that the petitioners
intended to maintain the same character of the roads in the area.
Mike Hollibaugh
noted that a landscape median might be an option—it would break up the
monotony.
Matt Griffin
added that a boulevard treatment allows control of access points.
Mark Rattermann
asked how many residential units would be included in the development.
David Leazenby
responded that there were no numbers yet and that nothing has been described in
the ordinance.
Mark Rattermann
clarified thathe was asking for an approximation.
Leo Dierckman
commented that the newspapers had been reporting around 2000 residential units.
Mark Rattermann
asked what the status of the ground to the South is.
David Leazenby
responded that the Fountains building is not owned by Buckingham, but that the
area along Carmel Drive in front of the Fountains is owned by Buckingham.
Mark Rattermann
noted that with the circulation plan as presented, Auman Drive isbeing used as
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the cut through; 126 street may need a traffic light in order to preserve public safety.
Discussion ensued regarding eminent domain and TIF districts.
Mark Rattermann
commented that the Mayor has repeatedly said that the downtown area has no
identity. It is a question whether or not this much commercial should be built away from the
downtown area. One could make the philosophical argument that this development opposes the
creation of the downtown area. On the other hand, it would be good to see something cool built in
this area.
David Leazenby
said that Buckingham set out to make this development a predominantly
residential neighborhood to complement the City Center. The density would probably be higher
than some of the surrounding areas.
Leo Dierckman
said that if the development was to be a predominantly residential neighborhood,
then he thought that the commercial uses should be more ancillary uses to the residential in the
neighborhood. It would be hard to fill three million square feet with coffee shops.
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Mark Rattermann
commented that he was totally uncomfortable using TIFs to build roads inside
a development.
Susan Westermeier
said that she struggles with the timing factor and feels like they are making a
lot of assumptions.
Leo Dierckman
said that it obviously couldn’t be approved without some contingencies.
David Leazenby
responded that there are some limitations in the timing of development without
all of the access points being available—that is understood. However, there is some room for
development without all of the access points established.
Leo Dierckman
requested that the petitioner break it into quadrants to make it a little easier to
comprehend and review. Leo asked the petitioners to really focus on the West side of the
development, so that the neighbors know exactly what they are going to get.
Susan Westermeier
agreed and said the petitioner really needs to stage a plan.
David Leazenby
said he would talk with the City DOCS staff.
Leo Dierckman
felt that thepetitioner had received a lot of good comments from the neighbors this
evening and asked that those comments be incorporated for the next meeting.
Mark Rattermann
said that when the Committee and the Plan Commission consider regional
transportation, they are thinking in terms of 10, 20, or 30 years out and they do not make these
decisions casually. Mark recommended that the petitioner incorporate a concealed cell phone tower
in the proposed tower of the development.
Leo Dierckman
instructed the petitioner to redline a copy of the PUD ordinance and submit to the
Committee for easier review. The Special Studies Committee will have a special meeting to go
through the PUD Ordinance line-by-line. The special meeting will be held, tentatively, on April 27,
2006. The petitioner should add information about phasing into the language of the PUD
Ordinance.
Matt Griffin
announced that as soon as a meeting room could be verified and booked, the Agenda
for the special meeting would be posted online.
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---5 minute break---
7.Docket No. 05110020 DP/ADLS: Old Meridian Place
The applicant seeks to create 129 townhomes and a mix of office and retail uses on 25
acres.
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The site is located at 12852 Old Meridian Street and is zoned OM/SFA.
Filed by Jon Isaacs for Centex Homes.
Present for the Petitioner:
Jim Shinaver, representing Centex Homes and Jon Isaacs with Centex
Homes.
Petitioner’s Presentation: Jon Isaacs
said that the request has been modified to Old Meridian
Mixed Use Zoning. He said that essentially Buildings 4 and 5 would not be permitted without the
rezoning. He said that they are seeking architectural approval for building 5 and 4 and for the
townhome areas. He said that they were looking for a partner to come in and design the
Commercial sections of the development. He passed out copies of the site plan. He said that they
are looking for site plan approval and approval of their street connections. He said that the
townhome portion of the development would be the Georgetown Series. He noted that the staff
report addresses the monotony of the architecture. He said that they were considering modifying
the Georgetown product by removing the brick and adding some hearty plank and adding covered
parking. He said that finalized landscape plans would be filed with DOCS. He said that they would
go back to TAC and would work with the Engineering Department to be sure that all issues were
resolved. He said that Centex is trying to coordinate the building of the loop road with the other
parties involved by incorporating one design and one construction project. He said that after
meeting with the pastor of the church in the area, he is confident that this plan will afford them some
flexibility to make some decisions about expansion in the future without affecting Centex’s timeline.
Matt Griffin
asked Jon Isaacs if he had more insight about how those parcels along Old Meridian
would be handled
Jon Isaacs
said that at this time he is looking at an ADLS only. He said that they are thinking that
they wouldn’t want to create the parking, but that the underground detention area is going to be
there.
Matt Griffin
noted that the distance of the buildings from the street didn’t look very urban along
Old Meridian.
Jon Isaacs
responded that once the angled parking becomes straight parking, the buildings should
come forward.
Matt Griffin
told the petitioner to verify that with the Engineering Department—Centex would
have to look at establishing a build-to line. Are these details that need to get nailed down now?
Jon Isaacs
He said that he would like to keep the design of the buildings and sites open ended
because Centex is not the experts of commercial development and that he doesn’t want to lock their
partner who will be developing the commercial into something too soon.
Matt Griffin
said that it might make sense to add some permeability to keep pedestrians from
walking by a blank wall. Matt suggested using materials such as glass blockings, etc.
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Christine Barton-Holmes
asked the petitioner if the garages were at grade.
Jon Isaacs
responded that the slab was on grade and that they were using wood-frame construction.
Christine Barton-Holmes
told the petitioner that the front entrance should be more clearly
delineated.
Leo Dierckman
commented that the petitioner should tie in the rooflines.
Matt Griffin
noted thatthere is no detailed landscape plan. Matt asked how the alcoves made
sense. Matt would like to see a finalized site plan before this item goes before the TAC committee.
The townhome architecture does not seem very different.
Leo Dierckman
asked that the petitioner consider some of the Gramercy building design. Leo liked
the architecture of Building 5.
Matt Griffin
said he would treat the next submittal as the final project to get the petitioner an actual
and complete set of comments.
Sue Westermeier
asked the petitioner what the price range of the townhomes would be.
Jon Isaacs
responded that no construction costs were finalized yet, but the price range hoped for
would be in the range of $170s to the 250s for the Condo flats and townhomes would range between
$225, to $300,000.
Jim Shinaver
clarified that the project would be coming back to Committee for the May 4, 2006
meeting. The petitioner would be submitting complete revised packets with everything for the May
4, 2006 meeting and would set up a separate meeting with Scott Brewer.
Mark Rattermann
commented that normally, units are not put over the common space—this isan
interesting concept and Mark was excited to see how it goes. Mark was not opposed to the other
elevation and liked the architecture of Building 4. Mark thought the entrance would “pop out.”
Jim Shinaver
added that the Northern portion would have a different type of architecture than the
Southern portion of the development.
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8.Docket No. 05120026 Z and 05120027 DP/ADLS: Village Green PUD
The applicant seeks to rezone 9.42 acres from R2/Residential to PUD/Planned Unit
Development for the purpose of creating 50 townhomes.
The site is located 211 W. Smokey Row Rd.
Filed by Jim Shinaver of Nelson and Frankenberger for Bay Development Co. and Drees
Premiere Homes Inc.
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Present for the Petitioner:
Jim Shinaver, Nelson and Frankenberger; John Talbot, Drees Homes;
Steve Fehribach, A&F Engineering; Jud Scott, Vine & Branch; John Lapp, Kevin Parsons, and Jim
Shields, Weihe Engineers.
Petitioner’s Presentation: Jim Shinaver
said that the project was a Rezone with DP/ADLS
running congruently. Full brochures were submitted for the February 21, 2006 meeting and
supplemental brochures for the March 30, 2006 meeting. The petitioner feels that he has made a lot
of progress since the last Committee meeting.
John Talbot
said that they had met with the mayor to discuss the architecture of the rear of the
townhomes that would face the Monon. The petitioner has agreed to add brick and color to the rear
of the townhomes in order to present a very nice rear elevation and appearance to one looking at the
townhomes from the Monon. The current site plan is on tab 2 of the March 30, 2006 supplemental
brochures; the dark green area is a tree conservation area. There is also a detention pond
shown—there is only one pond serving the development, but an additional pond could be added if
necessary. The petitioner is interested in preserving as many trees as possible. The petitioner is
aware of the neighbors’ concerns regarding the tree status of the site and the petitioner is trying to
be very sensitive to those concerns. The number of townhomes has been reduced to forty-eight
units. Immediately to the south is an apartment community. The petitioner has talked with the
Engineering Department about how traffic will flow. The Engineering and Fire Department are
comfortable with the inclusion of brick pavers to allow for emergency access. There is a nice-size
sycamore tree on the site; Jud Scott and Scott Brewer have determined that the tree could be
preserved.
John Talbot further stated that he would go through some of the issues listed in the Department
Report to up-date the Committee on the status of those items. The petitioner has already held
follow-up meetings with the Department of Engineering—the traffic analysis met their requirements
but there were still a few issues being worked through—generally, Engineering approved of the
primary plat. The traffic study was completed when school was in session to make sure that the
development dealt with that scenario. Revised landscape have been submitted and the petitioner is
working with Scott Brewer for approval of the landscape plan.
Jim Shields with Weihe Engineers has responded to a number of the TAC comments and it is
possible that some of the issues that Gary Duncan noted have already been addressed. The
petitioner has discussed the connection to the Monon Trail with the Parks Department and they are
now more open. The petitioner is committing to provide a connection and will work with staff and
the Parks Department to firm that and to show it on the plan.
Jud Scott
discussed the trees that would be saved and the trees that would be removed.
Matt Griffin
noted that the flood plain area of the site couldn’t be built on, but that it can be
counted as part of the site. Engineering seems to be on board with what has been presented. The
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petitioner would be responsible for building his half of 136 street or making monetary
commitments in lieu of completing the improvements to thoroughfare plan standards. The
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petitioner would be responsible for creating a pedestrian crossing over Little Cool Creek as required
by the Alternative Transportation Plan instead of stopping the path when it got to the creek. As far
as the architecture was concerned, they originally saw the color variation mimicked in brick on the
back as well.
Leo Dierckman
said that he thinks that the Committee would like to see the architecture of the
townhomes facing the Monon across the backs of all of the townhomes across the board.
John Talbot
respondedthat the intent with the new architecture is to match the fronts with the
back. John Talbot noted that a remonstrator had asked for more earth tones.
Sue Westermeier
asked if the architecture could be used on all of the townhomes.
John Talbot
said that he would commit to using them on all of the townhomes.
Discussion ensued regarding the color schemes presented as part of the architecture of the different
elevations.
Leo Dierckman
called for organized public comments–unfavorable.
Kurt Jaenicke
noted that with the FEMA flood plain map, there is only one way to develop this
property. Kurt said that he and the Committee had previously requested a wetlands study, which
had not been completed. Kurt expressed concern that Scott Brewer was looking for a tree survey
and that it has never been done. Kurt referred to the Wetlands Delineation Act and said that the
petitioners had no permit to build in the floodway.
Jenny Chastain
said that she had questioned the traffic study at the meeting; she had seen a
three-page document that made some references to “if a turn lane is installed” or “if a roundabout
is installed”. Jenny said that the area is already a busy area; she is still waiting to see a detailed traffic
report.
Jim Shinaver
noted that a complete traffic report is part of the file.
Jenny Chastain
said that her second question is about impact on the Monon. Looking at
“Traditions on the Monon,” the buildings have been constructed closer to the Monon than the
developers had stated. Jenny also said that a lot more trees were cut down than the developers had
promised. Ms. Chastain said she had concerns about developers who come out and promise things
and don’t follow through—this is a very special piece of land becoming a tunnel of concrete. Where
will the wildlife that currently reside on the property go when development occurs. Ms. Chastain
encouraged the City to make this piece of property a park—she and others are willing to find and
raise the support to build a park there—there are businesses that would donate to the cause. Why
is it necessary to change the density of the land and to also change the zoning of the property? Why
do these things even need to be considered on this particular green space. Ms. Chastain noted that
the Committee had asked for a wetlands study in the past—the developers still have not addressed
this issue.
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Denise Howell
commented that her career is as a relocation director in Carmel and she has been a
resident of Old Town for 20 years. Ms. Howell said that she is not opposed to progress but that
healthy growth is measured by quality not quantity. She posed the question, “What is going to be
left in Old Town if everything is new?” There are another 2500 townhomes in Carmel awaiting
approval and Ms. Howell is concerned about the negative impact the development of all of these
townhomes will have on the Carmel community. On the average, single-family homes in Carmel
stay on the market 66 days; townhomes for sale average about 2.5 times that long on the market and
even then, the sales sometimes consist of under priced units. According to a 2004 Runzheimer
Report, DINKS (or Double-Income, No Kids) move about every three years—this means that
statistically, the townhomes will come back on the market every three to five years. What will
happen when the townhomes don’t sell? Would the owners of the townhomes be forced to sell them
or would they have the option of making them a rental? She pointed out that in addition to the
single-family units, the townhomes would also compete with the apartments in the area. Indiana is
one of the top five states for foreclosures and there are 715 homes in Carmel that are being
foreclosed on. The residents of Carmel are relying on the Committee members; simply stated, the
residents believe that this is way too much, too fast.
Rebuttal, Jim Shinaver: Staff mentioned that Scott Brewer had received John Lapp’s revised
information and that Scott is comfortable with the plan as presented. As far as the request for the
wetlands study, there has been no request made by Staff or Engineering and wetlands is not an issue
on this site. The property is currently zoned R-2 and some of the trees would be affected with the
proposal as presented or with an R-2 development. Jim said he would have Steve Fehribach with
A & F Engineering, traffic engineer and consultant, make a complete copy of othe traffic study to
e kep in the file at the Department of Community Services office for public review.
Leo Dierckman
asked how far the buildings were going to be from the Monon.
Jim Shields
responded that they were 56.5 feet from the rear of the buildings to the pavement; the
closest building to the Monon is 43.5 feet in his measurement.
Mark Rattermann
commented that he didn’t really like the architecture because he doesn’t like
front-load garages. Mark asked the petitioner to explore having some front-load and rear-load
garages. The parcels not on the Monon could possibly be rear-load garages. Mark clarified that the
streets will be dedicated. Mark said he would insist that the petitioner remove the deed restriction
relating to the hours of usage of the Monon (dawn to dusk).
John Talbot
said that they would commit to doing that.
Leo Dierckman
said the Committee would not vote on this item until the petitioner had a Monon
connection in place and shown on the plans.
Matt Griffin
said that as far as a wetlands study, he would have to defer to Scott Brewer and
Engineering on that issue.
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Mike Hollibaugh
added that John South with Hamilton County evaluates that.
Jud Scott
said that there has never been a tree inventory done on the property.
John Talbot
said that they would do a tree survey and that they would hire a consultant to complete
a wetlands study on the property.
Jenny Chastain
commented that if structures are built within a wetlands area, there I a huge fine.
Ms. Chastain said she does not live around the property.
…END…
9.Docket No. 06010008 Z: Midtown Village PUD
The applicant seeks to rezone 18.82 acres from I1/Industrail to PUD for the purpose of
creating mixed use development.
The site is located at 510 Third Avenue SW and is zoned I1/Industrial.
Filed by Lawrence Kemper of Nelson and Frankenberger for Centex Homes.
Present for the Petitioner:
Larry Kemper and Jim Shinaver with Nelson and Frankenberger, and
Jon Isaacs with Centex Homes.
Petitioner’s Presentation: Jon Isaacs
said that he is happy to extend the City property into the
proposal. He said that they now have Shannon Door under contract and hope to extend to the
South. He said that the reason for the petition is that they are trying to lock in some of the
Architecture early because taking that into production would be a 12-14 month process and that
their target date to begin construction on the building is July 2007. The first story is the retail
component, with the larger condo building adjacent to the Monon. The petitioner was trying to
keep the building height lower on the Monon side to minimize massing. The architects provided
elevations of three sides of the building—one layer of parking with residential construction above;
no unit would look directly out to where the water tower is located. The product is going to be a
luxury townhome; there will only be twelve of those units in the first phase. The price point for the
luxury townhomes would be significantly more because they will have direct access to the Monon.
This evening, the petitioner is asking for feedback on the structural elements of the architecture and
will return to Committee with the schematics of the design of the architecture of the building.
Jim Shinaver
said that the PUD ordinance has also been reformatted and that they would like some
feedback and responses on the PUD. One thing not reflected is the need for a temporary sales-type
office.
Jon Isaacs
said that as they get further into the planning of the PUD, they would be hiring an urban
infill company out of Chicago to specialize in pre-selling the building. The sales office would exist
for two to three years. Within the next thirty days, the petitioner will have more information about
the marketing company from Chicago.
Leo Dierckman
commentedthat a company he previously worked for would use modular buildings
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for sales offices and upon completion of the sales, would donate them to Churches.
Discussion ensued regarding temporary sales office.
Matt Griffin
said that the Department is awaiting final engineering approval as well as Scott
Brewer’s approval for the landscape plan. The Department requests that this item be heard again
at the next Committee meeting.
Sue Westermeier
said that she had some concern about the height.
Jim Shinaver
pointed out that I-1 permits sixty-foot tall buildings.
Leo Dierckman
commented that he liked the architecture of the building.
Jim Shinaver
said that theheight of the building also helps to shield and screen the view of the
water tower.
Mark Rattermann
referred to discussion going around that this will have a TIF associated with it.
Mark said the petitioner would need to remove the deed restriction relating to the hours of usage
of the Monon (dawn to dusk).
Jim Shinaver
said that the petition would be back at the May 4, 2006 Committee meeting.
…END…
10.Docket No. 06020015 ADLS: Evan Lurie Building – Parcel 21
The applicant seeks to create a 4 story mixed use building on .14 acres.
The site is located at 30 West Main St. and is zoned B1 within the Old Town Overlay
Filed by Kevin Sellers of CSO Schenkel Shultz for the Carmel Redevelopment Commission.
This item was heard third on the agenda.
Present for the Petitioner:
Mike Hollibaugh from the Carmel Department of Community Services
representing the Carmel Redevelopment Commission.
Petitioner’s Presentation: Mike Hollibaugh addressed the Committee in Les Olds’ absence.
The EvanLurie building is a four-story building that would be located in Old Town sandwiched
between the Carmel Antique mall and the music building. The building would have a four-sided
brick wrap with some intricate detailing on the front façade. The petitioner had to obtain two
variances for building height, one for the B-1 zoning classification and one for the Old Town
Overlay. Both of the variances were approved at the March meeting of the Board of Zoning
Appeals. At this time, the Department is recommending approval a—Committee approval only is
required.
Mark Rattermann
wanted to discuss the height of the building—the Ordinance only allows three
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stories. Mark was concerned that by approving this request, it would be the beginning of everyone
else wanting four stories also.
Leo Dierckman
did not think that would be the case.
Mark Rattermann
said he believed there is a TIF associated with this project and that funding goes
to the Arts Center. Mark said that Rick (Sharpe?) spoke to this being part of the Performing Arts
Center—could this be clarified?
Mark Rattermann motion to approve
made formal docket number 06020015 ADLS: Evan Lurie
Building – Parcel 21, seconded by Susan Westermeier, approved 3-0.
…END…
The meeting was adjourned at 11:02 p.m.
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Leo Dierckman, Chairperson
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Laura DeVore, Secretary Pro Tem
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