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City of Carmel
CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION
SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE MINUTES
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 5, 2006
LOCATION: CAUCUS ROOMS TIME: 6:00 P.M.
CARMEL CITY HALL DOORS OPEN AT 5:30 P.M.
ONE CIVIC SQUARE
CARMEL, IN 46032
Those Present:
Representing the Committee:
Dan Dutcher
Kevin Heber
Rick Ripma
Carol Schleif
Representing the Department:
Angie Conn
Mike Hollibaugh
Of Counsel:
John Molitor
Rick Ripma called the meeting to order at approximately 6:00p.m.
The Subdivision Committee met to consider the following items:
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1.Docket No. 06010005 Z: Shelborne Property PUD – CONT. to JAN. 2
The applicant seeks to rezone 20 acres from S1/Residential to PUD/Planned Unit Development
for the purpose of developing single-family residences.
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The site is located on the west side of Shelborne Road, north of 121 Street.
Filed by Charles Frankenberger of Nelson and Frankenberger for Indiana Land Development Co.
2.Docket No. 06010001 Z: Monon Townes PUD – WITHDRAWN
The applicant seeks to rezone 6.81 acres from R1/Residential to PUD/Planned Unit
Development for the purpose of creating 65 townhomes.
The site is located at 1001 Rohrer Road.
Filed by Ann M. Walker for Pulte Homes of Indiana, LLC
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3.Docket No. 06050020 PP: Clay Creek – CONT. to JAN. 2
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The applicant seeks to plat 30 lots on 29.971 acres.
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The site is located on Hoover Road north of 116 Street and is zoned S1.
The applicant seeks the following waivers for the proposed plat:
06050022 SW:
SCO Chapter 6.05.07 Orientation of Home – request to allow dwellings to
face internal street
06050023 SW:
SCO Chapter 7.05.07 Clearing of greater than 15% of mature woodlands.
Filed by Charlie Frankenberger for MHE Development Co. LLC.
4.Docket No. 06080007 PP: Clay Estates WITHDRAWN
The applicant seeks to plat 4 lots on 2.84 acres.
The applicant seeks the following waivers:
06080008 SW: SCO Chapter 6.03.20 Private Streets. WITHDRAWN
06080023 SW: SCO Chapter 06.03.22 Accel. / Decel, Passing Lanes WITHDRAWN
Request to waive requirement of construction acceleration, deceleration and passing lanes.
06080024 SW: SCO Chapter 08.09.01: Alternative Transportation WITHDRAWN
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request to waive requirement of internal sidewalks.
06080025 SW: SCO Chapter 08.09.02:Alt. Transportation WITHDRAWN:
request
to waive requirement of perimeter path.
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The site is located on 126 Street between Spring Violet Place and Sugar Cay Court, and is
zoned S1 and S2.
Filed by Gary Murray of The Schneider Corporation for Robert E. Stein of the Stein
Investment Group.
5.Docket No. 06080034 Rezone/06080035 ADLS: Courtyards at Carmel Creek –
WITHDRAWN
The applicant seeks rezoning and ADLS approval for a 7.2-acre parcel, currently zoned R1,
requested to be rezoned to the PUD classification to provide for residential development.
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The site is located at 1225 East 116 Street.
Filed by Charlie Frankenberger of Nelson and Frankenberger for ME Development, Inc.
6.Docket No. 06090041 PP: Towne Oak Estates.
The applicant seeks primary plat approval for an 18.75-acre site, to be divided into 16
parcels with one public cul-de-sac access point.
In conjunction with this request, the applicant seeks the following waivers:
Docket No. 06100025 SW SCO Chapter 06.03.07
Cul-de-Sac length exceeds 600 feet.
Docket No. 06100026 SW SCO Chapter 06.03.21
Request to have one access point for
16 parcels, two access points required for subdivisions with 15 or more lots.
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The site is located south of 131 Street on Towne Road and is zoned S1.
Filed by Matthew Skelton of Baker and Daniels, LLP for 56 Towne, LLC.
Present for the Petitioner:
Mark Humphrey of 865 W. Carmel Drive, Eric Batt with
Schneider Corporation, and Matt Skelton with Baker and Daniels.
Petitioner’s Presentation: Matt Skelton
introduced the project. He discussed the
possible trail location. He said that he thinks that the only other item that was dangling out
there is the garage door orientation issue that was raised. He said that Mark Humphrey was
okay if the houses were all side load with some being carriage load. He said that the closest
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thing to a front load garage would be a carriage load garage.
Department Report: Angie Conn
said that the petitioner had addressed all of Staff’s
concerns, so the Department was recommending that the Committee forward the item to the
full Plan Commission with a favorable recommendation.
Rick Ripma
called for public comment. There was none.
Dan Dutcher
clarified that the motion would need to include a contingency relating to the
establishment of a trail connection because the actual trail location and direction wouldn’t
be nailed down until the secondary plat phase.
Rick Ripma
asked about the two straight lines in the back showing on the plans.
Eric Batt
responded that there may have been a discrepancy between what the survey
showed and the property lines noted on the GIS systems.
Matt Griffin
said that the survey is probably more accurate than the County GIS system.
Rick Ripma
asked if the petitioner was going to do anything about saving the large trees
on the site.
Mark Humphrey
said that they had completed a tree survey and that they were working
closely with Scott Brewer to develop a plan. He said that they wanted to save as many of
the trees as they possibly could. He noted that the curves of the entry road were a deliberate
attempt to save as many trees along the road as they could.
Rick Ripma
said that he is concerned about encroachment because that has been an issue
with the Carmel Clay Parks Department.
Matt Skelton
said that Al Patterson didn’t seem to have a concern about it.
Dan Dutcher
said that if Al Patterson was comfortable with it and that it would probably
be in the best interest of all parties involved for the petitioners to install some sort of marker,
so the park property is clearly delineated for the residents.
Carol Schleif
asked if the petitioners could plant a mix of deciduous and evergreen trees at
the entrance. She said that she would like to see green on the property all year long.
Mark Humphrey
said that wouldn’t be a problem.
Dan Dutcher
asked if there would be any sort of tree preservation plan.
Matt Skelton
asked if there was any example that the petitioners could look at.
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Carol Schleif
suggested that the petitioners look at the plan established for the Rhorer Road
one-story Senior’s development.
Mark Humphrey
said that it would be difficult to show that when they didn’t know what
the building footprint would look like.
Kevin Heber
said that the Rhorer Road one-story Senior’s development showed trees that
the petitioners labeled “probable” or that they would “do their best to save”.
Carol Schleif
said that the petitioners showed the easements and the building lines to give
the Plan Commission an idea of the trees that would be endangered.
Dan Dutcher
said that he thinks that it would be okay with him if the petitioners would just
make a commitment to apply the best preservation practices they can.
Rick Ripma
asked what the island in the cul-de-sac was going to be.
Mark Humphrey
said that was going to be taken out because it was making the cul-de-sac
too tight.
Rick Ripma
asked if the petitioner would provide a commitment to take it out.
Mark Humphrey
said that they would.
Carol Schleif 06090041 PP: Towne Oak
made formal motion to send Docket number
Estates, as well as related docket numbers 06100025 SW and 06100026 SW back to
the full Plan Commission with a favorable recommendation with the following
conditions:
1.)The commitment in principle to construct a trail in collaboration with the
Hamilton County Parks Department and Brenwick Development and to have the
trail location set during the Secondary Plat phase.
2.)The commitment to change the wording in the PUD Ordinance with regards to
Carriage-loading garages.
3.)The commitment to work with the Urban Forester, Scott Brewer, to develop a tree
preservation plan that could be customized as each lot develops.
4.)The commitment to remove the island shown on the plans from the center of the
cul-de-sac.
5.)The commitment to add evergreen trees to the entry.
Dan Dutcher
seconded the motion.
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APPROVED (4-0).
Motion was
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7.Docket No. 06090042 PP: Cherry Tree Grove.
The applicant seeks primary plat approval for a 20.44-acre site, to be divided into 34 parcels.
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The site is located on Cherry Tree Road, south of 146 Street, and is currently zoned S1,
with S2 zoning pending Council approval.
In conjunction with this request, the applicant seeks the following waiver:
06100024 SW SCO Chapter 06.03.15
Radius of curvature measured along the center
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Filed by Matthew Skelton of Baker and Daniels, LLP for RDJ Land Development, LLC.
Present for the Petitioner:
Matt Skelton with Baker and Daniels, and Chris White with
RDJ Land Development.
Petitioner’s Presentation: Matt Skelton
introduced the project. He said that he was
going to discuss the three outstanding issues. He said that the first issue was the
reconfiguration of the cul-de-sac, which faces South. He said the next issue was an issue
raised by the Engineering Department. He said that the third outstanding issue he would
discuss was the garage orientation. He said that only two of the issues would be resolved
that evening. He said that the Engineering issue was being resolved and that they were still
working on it. He said that Matt Griffin suggested that, as long as the petitioners continued
to work with the Department of Engineering and had everything resolved by the Plan
Commission meeting, he would be comfortable with the petitioners moving forward on the
docket.
Chris White
discussed the Engineering issue and the issue of cul-de-sac location. He said
that as far as the garages are concerned, they would just like some flexibility to be able to
accommodate alternative designs. He said that they have said that they would commit to
seventy-five percent side, rear, or carriage loading garages, but that they were even willing
to up that to ninety percent. He noted that would be a maximum of three lots in the
subdivision that could have a front-loading garage.
Rick Ripma
noted that there was no one from the public present to speak.
Department Report: Angie Conn
said that the Department would prefer that the
cul-de-sac be redesigned to the original site plan. She said that the Department understands
that the petitioner is also working with Engineering to resolve issues. She said that the
Department recommends that the Committee forward the item to the full Plan Commission
with a favorable recommendation.
Carol Schleif
said that she was concerned with access and she wanted to know about the
conservation lot.
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Chris White
said that there was an existing drive off of Cherry Tree Rd. and that the
petitioners intended to keep the existing drive as it was for access to the conservation lot.
He said that this was to keep from any additional tree removal. He clarified that the
conservation lot was a privately owned lot, not common area.
Carol Schleif
asked if this was calculated in as part of the open space.
Chris White
responded that it was.
John Molitor
clarified that the conservation lots qualified under the Open Space ordinance.
Discussion ensued about the Open Space ordinance and how conservation lots fit within it.
Rick Ripma
said that the advantage to having the conservation lot is that it puts everything
away from the road.
Dan Dutcher
said that it looks like there is about twenty feet between the end of the
cul-de-sac and the property line.
Chris White
said that there was actually about forty feet.
Dan Dutcher
said that he is still concerned about the movement of the cul-de-sac. He said
that he thinks that his concern is that it is close to the neighbor’s property and that he is not
convinced that the existing fence and tree line would provide a sufficient buffer and that he
would like to see some other solution.
Chris White
suggested that he pull the cul-de-sac back and reorient the lots in there. He
made a drawing of the proposed reconfiguration and gave it to Angie Conn to put in the
DOCS file.
Rick Ripma
clarified that there were no homes built behind the proposed cul-de-sac yet.
Carol Schleif
said that she just doesn’t like front-loading garages. She said that she doesn’t
understand the rezone to S-2 when the lots intended are well under the size of an S-2 lot
under the straight zoning classification.
Chris White
said that the Open Space ordinance allowed them to put in the smaller lot
sizes.
Matt Skelton
said that he is aware of many homes that are multi-million dollar homes which
have front loading garages. He said that, though this may be a professional difference of
opinion, he thinks that a little variation goes a long way.
Discussion ensued regarding the clarification of the setbacks allowed within the open space
ordinance and why the petitioner chose to rezone the property.
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Mike Hollibaugh
said that the petition is not line by line meeting the S-2, but that the
petitioners meet the Open Space ordinance which allows them some flexibility with many of
the development standards. He said that the petitioners are okay and that they meet the
requirements.
Kevin Heber
said that he is okay to allow the ten percent of front-loading garages because
the petitioners are giving the City a huge conservancy lot. He said that the conservancy lot
was a nice, creative feature that he would like to see used more often.
Discussion ensued regarding the implications of the open space ordinance and qualifying
subdivisions.
Dan Dutcher
said that he understands Carol Schleif’s concerns but that, in this case, ninety
percent of the lots works out to be three lots. He said that he doesn’t think that three lots
is really a reason to not move this project forward. He said that he thinks that it is okay that
they are wanting some flexibility and that he feels that the petitioners are making a significant
compromise by committing to ninety percent not being front loading garages. He said that
he is willing to move forward.
Carol Schleif
asked the petitioners to commit to a maximum of two lots in the subdivision
would be allowed to have front-loading garages.
Chris White
said that he would commit to having only two lots in the subdivision with
front-loading garages.
Carol Schleif 06090042 PP: Cherry Tree
made formal motion to send docket number
Grove and 06100024 SW: SCO Chapter 06.03.15 back to the full Plan Commission
with a favorable recommendation conditioned upon a two-lot maximum allowing
front-loading garages, the cul-de-sac shifting North consistent with the sketch on file
with the Department of Community Services, and the resolution of all Engineering
issues.
APPROVED (4-0).
Motion was
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The meeting was adjourned at 6:50p.m.
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Subdivision Committee Chair - Rick Ripma Respectfully Submitted By: Laura Rouse-DeVore
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