HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes TAC 03-15-06
CARMEL TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MINUTES
Date: March 15, 2006
Place: Department of Community Services Conference Room
3rd Floor - Carmel City Hall
Time: 9:00 AM
Docket Number 06030003 DP Amend/ADLS: REI Medical Office Building…………. 1
Docket Number 06030005 PP: Village on the Monon……………………………………3
Docket Number 06030006 TAC: Rocky Mountain Landscape Management………….5
Docket Number 06030007 TAC: Prudentia Building at the Village of West Clay…….6
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Docket Number 06030008 Z: 1003 E. 106 Street Rezone………………………………7
9:00 a.m.Docket No. 06030003 DP Amend/ADLS: REI Medical Office Building
The applicant seeks to build a 2-story, 34,000-square foot medical office building
on 7.54 acres.
The site is located at 11911 North Pennsylvania Street and is zoned B-6/within the
US 31 Overlay.
Filed by Joseph Scimia for REI Real Estate Services, Inc.
Present for the Petitioner:
Roger Kilmer with Baker & Daniels, Jeremy Stephenson with REI
Real Estate Services, Bob Doster with Schneider Engineering, and Brent Davis with CSO
Schenkel Shultz.
Petitioner Overview:
Roger Kilmer with Baker and Daniels said that the petitioner is proposing
a two-story, 34,000 square foot medical office building to be located at 119 North Pennsylvania.
He said that it is to the East of the existing the Community Health Pavilion.
Greg Hoyes, Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office:
He said that his office would need drainage
calculations to be sure that the pond is going to work and an indirect outlet permit.
Shirley Hunter, Cinergy:
She gave the petitioner one the new service request applications. She
said that her office would like to request an AutoCAD file of the site. She said that the Engineer
that would be handling the site was named Sean South. She said that as far as she knew Cinergy
had three-phase primary on the site. She said that she didn’t know how they would want to serve
it, but that the petitioner should be in contact with Sean.
Nick Redden, Carmel Engineering:
He said that he sent the petitioner a letter on the seventh of
March. He said that he thinks that he neglected to mention in the letter that the City of Carmel
has a new Stormwater Management ordinance and that the pollution prevention plan would need
to be approved by Carmel Engineering as well.
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Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Department:
He said that he has not sent a letter out yet, but that he
would be sending one. He said that he was assuming the building was a sprinkled building. He
clarified that the building did not have a basement. He said that if the building has a fire alarm,
then the Fire Department would request a remote enunciator at the main entrance. He said that
the petitioners could put the regular fire alarm panel in the riser room, but if the petitioner could
get something that will let the firefighters know where the alarm is at in the building. He said that
the Fire Department would also like a Knocks box and Knocks brand Fire Department connection
caps for the sprinkler siamese connection. He said that he needs to look at the plans again to look
at the hydrant locations to see if there is a hydrant close enough to the area where the petitioner is
proposing the building. He said that if there isn’t, then the Fire Department may ask for an
additional fire hydrant to be brought in. He said that the Fire Department requests that there be a
fire hydrant within 100 feet of fire department connection. He said that he would get the
petitioner a letter with these comments as soon as he could.
Scott Brewer, DOCS Urban Forester:
He said that he sent the petitioner a comment email
earlier when he received the first set of plans. He said that he hasn’t sent out an additional letter
on the revised set of plans that were submitted to him. He said that he still has some questions
about the site. He said that he needs planting notes and planting graphics. He said that he has the
planting notes, but not the planting graphics. He said that he also needs and engineered site plan
that shows drainage easements, utilities, overhead electrical lines, and other things like that. He
said that the way that the lot line jags around there is a little unusual. He said that some of the
plantings aren’t actually on this lot. He said that they are on the adjacent lot, which isn’t
something that they generally allow.
Roger Kilmer
said that the property is not really a parcel, but is actually one ownership for all of
the property.
Scott Brewer, DOCS Urban Forester:
He clarified that the property is coming in as one parcel.
He noted that his comments will change. He said that he would get thecomments to the
petitioner as soon as he could.
Matt Griffin, DOCS:
He said that he ha no additional comments at this stage.
Christine Barton-Holmes, DOCS:
She said that DOCS would like to see the front of the
building facing and/or would like to see a building with two facades to have the building facing
Meridian Street and have a front façade on the other side as well. She said that the petitioner
should follow-up with Scott Brewer, DOCS Urban Forester.
Roger Kilmer
said that he would like to discuss the comment of the front façade because that
poses some difficulties for the petitioner. He said that if the petitioner could possible do some
stuff with materials but creating a projecting feature from the façade would be difficult because
there is a build-to line that the petitioner must meet. He said that if there was a projecting feature
on the build-to line, then the building would be pushed further to the West and that would be
impacting the petitioner’s parking and landscaping.
Matt Griffin, DOCS:
clarified that there is no entry planned off of Pennsylvania.
Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Dept.:
suggested that the petitioner could treat that as an emergency
egress.
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Discussion ensued regarding different options the petitioner might explore to add variety to the
façade facing Pennsylvania.
Christine Barton-Holmes, DOCS:
She said that ideally the Department would like to the see the
glass wall mirrored on the other side. She said that the building has Penn Street frontage and a
Penn Street address, so she said that the Department would like to see the building addressing
Penn Street. She said that the façade isn’t going to be very visible from Meridian Street or
Pennsylvania. She said that Staff would like to see an identical façade or something very similar
on the Penn Street side.
Matt Griffin, DOCS:
He said that since the Penn Street side is the highest profile side with the
most visibility. He said that the building and that façade in particular shouldn’t be designed so
that it looks like the rear access. He said that there are ways to elegantly handle the façade
without making it a full-blown entrance with atriums and everything else. He said that
landscaping would probably help to dress up that facade as well. He said that all of the great
detailing is just pretty much lost because it is sandwiched internally.
Roger Kilmer
asked if a possible solution could be established through building materials and
landscaping or if the petitioner’s needed to include some sort of relief in the façade.
Bob Doster
asked about the comment from Staff regarding a 10-foot walk across the front. He
said that there is and existing 5 ft. walk. He wanted to know if the petitioner should pull out the
existing path in order to put in the wider path.
Matt Griffin, DOCS:
He responded that the petitioner would need toverify what the path will
become with Karyn Ryg.
The petitioner
asked if they could decrease some of the foundation plantings on one side in order
to give them the ability to increase the landscaping on the other side of the building.
Scott Brewer, DOCS Urban Forester:
He said that he thinks that something could be worked
out with the petitioners. He said that the City of Carmel is looking for good design.
The petitioner
responded that he thought that they could work something out by moving
landscaping and putting a small bump in the wall on the East side. He clarified that the projection
would be on the build-to line and the rest of the building would sit a few feet back from that. He
clarified that something could project overhead into the setback.
Roger Kilmer
asked for clarification on what the new filing fee would be.
Christine Barton-Holmes, DOCS:
She said that she would email the petitioner the updated fee.
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9:15 a.m. Docket No. 06030005 PP: Village on the Monon
The applicant seeks to plat 19 lots on 6.29 acres.
The site is located at 1320 Rohrer Road and is zoned R1 Residential
Filed by Kevin Roberts of DeBoy Land Development Services for The Anderson Corporation.
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Present for the Petitioner:
Jim Anderson with the Anderson Corporation, David Stewart with
Stewart-Anderson, Kevin Roberts with DeBoy Land Development Services.
Petitioner Overview:
Kevin Roberts said that the petitioner is looking at 19 new lots in a project
just off of Rhorer Road across the street from the Monon Trail. He said that the petitioner is
proposing a connecting street to Rhorer Road. He said that the water lines that are connected to
the North and the South, he feels, will be an overall improvement to the neighborhood. He said
that they have had some meetings with the neighbors and have received some positive feedback.
Greg Hoyes, Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office:
He said that he sent Kevin Roberts a letter.
He said that it would be a regulated drain subdivision and that he would go by after the meeting
and look at the petitioner’s proposed outlet. He said that he would just wait for construction
plans and drainage calculations.
Shirley Hunter, Cinergy:
She said that she has not received any plans to review. She gave the
petitioner the card of Sean South. She said that they don’t typically request information until the
construction plans are available. She said that Cinergy will need AutoCAD drawings and a new
service request when the secondary plat is finalized.
Kevin Roberts
gave Shirley Hunter with Cinergy a copy of the plans.
Nick Redden, Carmel Engineering:
He said that he sent the petitioner a letter on February 17,
2006 and he said that Engineering would just wait to the petitioner’s response to those comments.
Kevin Roberts
said that the petitioners would be changing the roads from twenty-four feet to
thirty feet. He said that the petitioners would also like to put in an island in the middle of the road
at the entry to Rhorer Road. He said that he would like to discuss the geometry of that at some
point with Engineering. He clarified that the island would be 6 feet wide. He said that he would
also like to discuss at some point the resurfacing and widening of Rhorer.
Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Department:
He said that he hasn’t sent Kevin a letter yet. He told
the petitioner to send him a drawing showing the existing fire hydrants. He clarified that the
development would not have an amenity facility. He said that they would have a comment on the
petitioner’s island when it gets drawn. He said that would be an ingress point and that he wanted
to verify that the truck could get through. He said that the Fire Department would prefer roll
back curbing as opposed to the chairback curbing on the island. He said that the petitioner should
also install the blue fire hydrant markers in the middle of the street to facilitate the fire department
finding the fire hydrants in a quick manner.
Discussion ensued regarding Fire Hydrant locations.
Scott Brewer, DOCS Urban Forester:
He said that he and the petitioner met and that he
received the plan. He said that when the petitioner actually has a landscape plan, he would make
some comments, but that until then, he would make comments on the packet he was provided.
Matt Griffin, DOCS:
He said that he really didn’t have much to add since his comments that
were provided in the docketing email. He said that the petitioner should touch base with Karyn
Ryg, DOCS transportation planner, to verify what the pedestrian path along Rhorer is going to
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be. He said that he wasn’t sure if it was going to be a sidewalk or a 10 ft. path. He said that the
ramps should pick up on the other side to allow pedestrians to cross in a safe manner. He said
that he didn’t have any other comments because a lot of his comments were addressed by phone
with Kevin Roberts.
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9:25 a.m.Docket No. 06030006 TAC: Rocky Mountain Landscape Management
The applicant seeks to add outdoor storage at an existing approved site.
The site is located at 4724 Northwestern Drive and is zoned I1/Industrial
Filed by Larry Kemper of Nelson and Frankenberger for David E. Hunter
Present for the Petitioner:
Larry Kemper with Nelson & Frankenberger, David Hunter with
Rocky Mountain Landscape Management, and Todd Vannatta with CTMT.
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Petitioner Overview:
Larry Kemper said that the property is located just South of 106 street
and West of Michigan Road. He said that the property is zoned I-1 Industrial. He said that
Rocky Mountain Landscape Management is a contract purchaser of the property. Larry Kemper
said that the property is currently occupied by a fertilizer supply company and that Rocky
Mountain Landscape Company would be using the property in a very similar way, but that they
would like to construct a mulch bin for outside storage, a bed for planting perennials, and also
they would like to change the signage.
Greg Hoyes, Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office:
He said that he faxed Larry Kemper a
letter. He said that the only issue they had was their forty-foot drainage easement.
Shirley Hunter, Cinergy:
She said that this property was in IPL’s jurisdiction.
Nick Redden, Carmel Engineering:
He said that this project was outside of the jurisdiction of
Carmel Engineering.
Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Department:
He said that with the nature of the proposed changes,
the Fire Department has no objection.
Scott Brewer, DOCS Urban Forester:
He said that he would like to see an actual plan of what
the petitioner is proposing. The petitioners gave him a copy of the plans. He said that he would
take a look at them and get back with the petitioners.
Matt Griffin, DOCS:
He said that as far as screening goes, the ordinance doesn’t necessarily
apply to the petitioner because they are not close to a residential area and Northwestern Drive is a
private drive. He said that if the petitioners offer mitigation that the neighbors request, he felt that
would meet the intent of the ordinance.
Greg Hoyes, Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office:
He commented that the petitioners needed
to keep landscaping out of the forty-foot drainage easement.
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9:40 a.m.Docket No. 06030007 TAC: Prudentia Building at the Village of West Clay
The applicant seeks to construct a 3 story office and retail building.
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The site is located near the NW corner of West New Market Street and Meeting
House Road and is zoned PUD.
Filed by Brandon Burke of Schneider Corporation for Prudentia Development
Present for the Petitioner:
Brandon Burke with the Schneider Corporation, Kevin Krulik and
Frank Rocciho with Brenwick, and Brian Schubert with Axis Architects.
Petitioner Overview:
Brandon Burke said that the proposed building is located in the Village
Center directly across from the meeting house. He said that the puzzle is a 3-story building with
basement. He said that it will be approximately 3100 square feet per floor. He said that the
basement and first floor has the potential for commercial or restaurant use, while the second floor
is office and the third floor is residential. He said that the building would have an approximate
total square footage of twelve thousand nine hundred square feet.
Brian Schubert added that in the last week, it has been determined that the basement will be
storage and mechanicals.
Greg Hoyes, Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office:
He said that he sent Brandon Burke a
comment letter. He said that the petitioners would need an outlet permit and revised plans once
the petitioner has addressed CrossRoads Engineering’s comments.
Shirley Hunter, Cinergy:
She clarified that she should deduct 3,100 square feet from the
approximate total of 12, 900 square feet. She said that Cinergy would need a new service request
AutoCad drawings. She said that Cinergy would need some conduit crossings. She said that she
would need to discuss the route to get power to the Prudentia Building.
Nick Redden, Carmel Engineering:
He said that he sent the petitioner a letter with Carmel
Engineering comments.
Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Department:
He said that he has not sent Brandon Burke a letter yet.
He clarified that the building would be fully sprinkled.
The petitioner commented that they were planning to locate the Knox box with them. He said
that the enunciator was going to go in the entry right inside the front door.
Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Department:
He said that was great and that there was a hydrant right
next to the proposed building site. He said that he would get the petitioners a letter out in the
next couple of days.
Scott Brewer, DOCS Urban Forester:
He commented that he had not sent the petitioners a
letter. He asked if the petitioners intended to do a landscape plan.
Brandon Burke
commented that he thought that the architect would be putting together a
landscape plan. He said that Brenwick is also working on the Southeast portion of the building,
which he noted would be a common area, landscape, walk-feature type area. He commented that
it would be similar to what was on the North of the Brenwick building.
Scott Brewer, DOCS Urban Forester:
He asked the petitioners about the intentions of a large
grassy square in the back of the building.
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Brandon Burke
said that was reserved at the moment for a courtyard for the restaurant tenant
and that after the tenant is decided, the petitioners will come back with the landscaping plan for
that.
Matt Griffin, DOCS:
He said that he only had a few comments and that he included them with
his docketing email. He said that when the petitioner has more finalized building elevations, the
Department of Community Services would like to see them. He said that the petitioner should
ensure that the HVAC is screened properly. He said that he had no other comments besides
those.
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9:50 a.m.Docket No. 06030008 Z: 1003 E. 106th Street Rezone
The applicant seeks a rezone from R3 to B5 to allow neighborhood scale
office/commercial use.
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The site is located 1003 E. 106 Street and is zoned R3 Residential/within the
Home Place Business District Overlay.
Filed by Michael Godfrey of Brunson and Company.
The Petitioner did not appear, therefore no comments were given.
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