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Carmel Technical Advisory Committee Minutes
June 21, 2006
CARMEL TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MINUTES
Date: June 21, 2006
Place: Department of Community Services Conference Room
3rd Floor - Carmel City Hall
Time: 9:00 AM
9:00 a.m.
Cingular Wireless Communications Tower
The applicant seeks the following special exception and development standards variance
approvals:
Docket No. 06040014 SE ZO Chapter 20H.02 Special Exception Uses
Docket No. 06040015 V ZO Chapter 25.13.1.B.i Distance from
Residential Property
Docket No. 06050009 V ZO Chapter 25.13.01.3 Tower landscape
requirements
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The site is located at Brookshire Golf Course, northwest of 116 St and Gray Rd. The
property is zoned P-1/Parks & Recreation. Filed by Jim Buddenbaum of Parr Richey
Obremskey & Morton.
Present for the Petitioner:
James Buddenbaum and Dave Dickson with Cingular
Wireless.
Petitioner’s Presentation: James Buddenbaum
introduced the project andsaid that
finding a site for a cell tower in Carmel is difficult. He said that the purpose is for
coverage and capacity of Carmel. He said that the Golf Course seemed like an obvious
site and that Cingular really needed a tower in the area. He said that the tower would
provide a source of revenue for the golf course. He said that the tower would be 135 ft tall
and that it would not be painted because the galvanized looks the most like the sky. He
said that the antennas would be slick mount and that the structure would be located on the
far side of the maintenance. He explained the necessity for the variance and special use
requests.
Greg Hoyes, Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office:
He said that he had not had the
chance to write the petitioners a letter, but that since it was not in one of their watersheds,
their office had no comment.
Chuck Shupperd, Vectren Energy:
He asked the petitioners if they were planning to
have a back-up system to that tower.
Jim Buddenbaum
said that in recent history they have used solid batteries and that
because of the noise created by the generators, they would probably use the solid batteries
this time as well.
Nick Redden, Carmel Engineering:
He said that they had no comments.
Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Department:
He said that they had no comments.
Scott Brewer, Carmel Urban Forester:
He clarified that the petitioners were not
anticipating changing anything about the path materials. He said that it was odd that they
were planting on the maintenance building side of the proposed tower. He said that he
would include in the variance that the petitioners would like to limit landscaping on that
particular side. He said that the petitioners would not be able to block the view of the
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tower from the maintenance shed, so it seemed silly to try. He said that he would
substitute the maple species presented with another type of tree that would be a little
heartier. He said that the Arborvitae should be fine for the other three sides. He said that
on the schedule the Japanese Yews were listed as 2.5” caliper and he thought that was a
mistake because that was the minimum size of a shade tree. He said that photographs
would really help the case and he provided the petitioner with his business card for future
discussions regarding the site.
Dave Dickson
said that they could be negotiable on the species. He said that they were
open to change the fencing type anyway. He said that they would like to get Scott
Brewer’s suggestions.
Matt Griffin, Carmel Department of Community Services:
He clarified that the tower
would not have strobe on it.
Christine Barton-Holmes, Carmel Department of Community Services:
She said that
she had no comments.
Angie Conn, Carmel Department of Community Services:
She said that the only
outstanding issue that she had was that the petitioners needed to get the Indiana Natural
Resources Commission approval letter to have the structure in a flood plain. She said that
if the petitioners would like to continue with the hearing, they should bring up the fact that
they do not have that letter initially and see how the Board of Zoning Appeals responds.
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9:10 a.m.
Cherry Creek Estates, Sec 1A, lot 4 - sales trailer
The applicant seeks the following use variance amendment approval:
Docket No. 06050010 UV Amend ZO Chapter 5.01 & 25.16 Permitted Uses
The site is located at 5882 Cherry Creek Blvd and is zoned S-1/Residence.
Filed by Ann Walker of Pulte Homes of Indiana, LLC.
Present for the Petitioner:
Ann Walker-Kloc and David Compton with Pulte Homes.
Petitioner’s Presentation: David Compton
said that they were requesting an extension
of time for a sales and marketing trailer in the Cherry Creek subdivision. He said that it is
removed when the homes are all sold. He said that the request is for the smaller of two
years or the completion of the neighborhood.
Greg Hoyes, Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office:
He said that he had no comments.
Chuck Shupperd, Vectren Energy:
He said that he had no comments.
Nick Redden, Carmel Engineering:
He said that they had no objections.
Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Department:
He said that he hadn’t had the time to prepare a
letter for the petitioner yet, but that he would. He said that he didn’t really have a big
problem with this except that there was a commitment made when the neighborhood was
originally approved that the petitioners would install the blue, reflective hydrant markers in
the middle of the streets perpendicular to the fire hydrants. He said that the petitioners
would have the blessing of the fire department for the extension of time if the hydrant
markers were installed as agreed to.
Dave Compton
said that he apologized for that. He said that Pulte has been working with
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Platinum properties on the project. He said that he would call Ken Brasseur immediately
following the meeting and ask him to get those hydrant markers installed ASAP.
Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Department:
He said that with that in mind, he said that the
Fire Department would not have any objections to the extension.
Scott Brewer, Carmel Urban Forester:
He said that he no objections.
Matt Griffin, Carmel Department of Community Services:
He said that he nothing
additional.
Christine Barton-Holmes, Carmel Department of Community Services:
She said that
she had no comments.
Angie Conn, Carmel Department of Community Services:
She said that she forwarded
the petitioner an email about illegal signs. She said that the petitioner needs to get those
issues taken care of. She said that she had no additional comments.
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9:20 a.m.
Docket No. 06050020 PP: Clay Creek
06050021 SW
SCO Chapter 6.03.07 Cul-de-sac Length – request to have cul de sac
in excess of 600 feet in length
06050022 SW
SCO Chapter 6.05.07 Orientation of Home – request to allow
dwellings to face internal street
06050023 SW
SCO Chapter 7.05.07 Clearing of greater than 15% of mature
woodlands.
The applicant seeks to plat 40 lots on 29.971 acres.
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The site is located on Hoover Road north of 116 Street and is zoned S1.
Filed by Charlie Frankenberger for MHE Development Co. LLC.
Present for the Petitioner:
Charlie Frankenberger with Nelson and Frankenberger, Gary
Merritt and Bob Stirling with ME Development.
Petitioner’s Presentation: Bob Stirling
introduced the project. He said that they were
working with Executive Homes to build a lot of the homes in the subdivision and that they
Charlie Frankenberger
would be custom homes. introduced the waivers requested. He
noted that they had planned a neighborhood meeting.
Greg Hoyes, Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office:
He said that he had sent the
petitioners a letter. He said that it would be a regulated drain subdivision and that it would
be required to meet the new Hamilton County Stormwater standards. He said that they
need to do a flood plain study on Clay Creek. He said that the Easement widths weren’t
wide enough on the Primary Plat.
Discussion ensued regarding the floodway fringe that possibly may surround the area.
Chuck Shupperd, Vectren Energy:
He said that they had gas in the area and that they
could extend their facilities when the petitioners were ready.
Mike McBride, Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office:
Nick Redden, Carmel Engineering:
He said that they were still reviewing the project and
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that they would get the petitioners their comments as soon as they were finished with their
review.
Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Department:
He said that he had not received any plans for the
project. He said that the plan showing the water distribution was the most important to
him, but that when he received those plans, he would provide the petitioners with his
comments.
Scott Brewer, Carmel Urban Forester:
He said that he sent Gary Merritt an email
yesterday. He gave the petitioners a copy of the email. He said that he needs a complete
landscape plan on the entire subdivision and that they had the information regarding the
correction in the woodland clearing.
Matt Griffin, Carmel Department of Community Services:
He said that there was
some sort of notion that the petitioners would explore putting in a stub street off of Black
Hawk. He said that if that were a possibility, it would be the preferred scenario. He said
that they would want to overlay the site plan on the aerial photo for the Plan Commission
packets. He said that they would put together a letter for the petitioners.
Christine Barton-Holmes, Carmel Department of Community Services:
She said that
the Commission might want to see the elevations of the houses as you are driving toward
the subdivision from the outside.
Discussion ensued regarding the paths along Meeting House Road.
Matt Griffin, Carmel Department of Community Services:
he said that he would touch
base with Karyn Ryg regarding the paths along Meeting House Road.
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9:30 a.m..
Docket No. 06060001 SP: Woods at Lion Creek Secondary Plat
The applicant seeks approval to plat 32 lots on 59.09 acres:
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The site is located north of 131 Street on West Road and is zoned S1/Residential.
Filed by Muno Henderson.
Present for the Petitioner:
Dave Barnes with Weihe Engineers, Jim Langston, and John
Edwards with Langston Development, and Muno Henderson with JC Developers.
Petitioner’s Presentation: Dave Barnes
introduced the project.
Greg Hoyes, Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office:
He said that he had sent the
petitioner a letter. He said that he needs a copy of the flood plain study. He said that the
petitioners need to label the bfps on the plans. He said that there were some clean up items
relating to the new standards.
Chuck Shupperd, Vectren Energy:
He said that he had met with the petitioners and that
there was a game plan. He said that he had no further comments at this time.
Mike McBride, Hamilton County Highway:
He said that the project was outside of
their jurisdiction.
Nick Redden, Carmel Engineering:
He noted that he had sent the petitioners a review
letter and that they may not have received it yet, but it included basically the same
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comments as last time. He said that he would send the petitioners a fax copy.
Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Department:
He gave the petitioners a copy of his review
letter. He clarified that the subdivision would be a gated community. He said that the Fire
Department would request two devices on the gate itself. He said that the first is an SOS
Device, which is a siren or a strobe light activation. He said that they would also ask for a
Knox Key Switch that their key will go in. He said that he gave the petitioners a copy of
their ladder truck specifications sheet for turning radii determination.
Scott Brewer, Carmel Urban Forester:
He clarified that the tree lawns for the street
trees would be outside of the sidewalk and that there would be a five ft. landscape
easement. He said that the petitioners need to specify the species on the landscape
schedule for the secondary plat. He said that the petitioners should substitute the White
Oaks because they don’t do well with root disturbance and will outgrow the five-foot lawn
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Matt Griffin, Carmel Department of Community Services:
He said that the ramps at
the intersection in the subdivision need to be noted as perpendicular not having people
cross the intersection diagonally. He said that there was a line-weight issue on the plat.
He said that the City likes to see the heavier line closer to the subdivision, so there is no
confusion where the Right-of –Way is. He said that he would put his comments into a
letter for the petitioners.
Christine Barton-Holmes, Carmel Department of Community Services:
She said that
she didn’t have any comments.
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9:40 a.m.
Docket No. 06060003 TAC: Moultrie Street
The applicant seeks to construct a 315-foot length of street, to be named Moultrie Street,
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connecting 131 Street to future commercial development within the Village of West Clay.
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The site is located south of 131 Street and is zoned PUD.
Filed by Brandon Burke of The Schneider Corporation for Brenwick Development Co.
Present for the Petitioner:
Brandon Burke and Jason Mathias with Schneider
Engineering, and Andy Kern with Brenwick Development.
Petitioner’s Presentation: Brandon Burke
introduced the project. He said that Moultrie
Street is located in the peripheral retail area.
Greg Hoyes, Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office:
He said that he sent Brandon Burke
a letter. He said that the petitioners should get the piece of the brendel replaced under the
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pavement along 131 street.
Chuck Shupperd, Vectren Energy:
He said that they could extend the facilities from
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131 Street to service this area.
Mike McBride, Hamilton County Highway:
He said that Hamilton County Highway
had no comments.
Nick Redden, Carmel Engineering:
He said that Carmel Engineering is still reviewing
the project and that when they completed their review they would get the petitioners a
comment letter.
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Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Department:
He said that he would be sending the petitioners a
letter. He said that there was a commitment when the project originally went through that
the petitioners were going to install the blue, reflective fire hydrant markers in the middle
of the streets perpendicular to the fire hydrants in the area. He said that to his knowledge
this has not been done out there, so he is reminding the petitioners that this needs to be
done. He said that he had no comments on the project other than that.
Brandon Burke
commented that they were currently working on completing those types of
details in several sections in the Village of West Clay. He said that he wasn’t sure exactly
what sections and would have to defer any further discussions on this to Brenwick.
Scott Brewer, Carmel Urban Forester:
He said that he did not receive any landscape
plans for this. He said that he would appreciate receiving those plans soon.
Brandon Burke
explained that they were still looking at what the street tree requirements
were going to be.
Discussion ensued regarding the PUD landscape requirements for the Commercial areas.
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Matt Griffin, Carmel Department of Community Services:
He clarified that 131
Street does not have paths yet.
Discussion ensued regarding the history of the paths and the future road improvements in
the Village of West Clay.
Christine Barton-Holmes, Carmel Department of Community Services:
She said that
she had no comments.
Angie Conn, Carmel Department of Community Services:
She said that she had no
comments.
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9:50 a.m.
Docket No. 06060004 Z: 122 & Pennsylvania Rezone
The applicant seeks to rezone 27.41 acres from R1 and M3 to B3 to allow for medium-
density commercial office development.
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The site is located on the northeast corner of 122 Street and Pennsylvania Street.
Filed by Paul Reis of Bose McKinney & Evans LLP for Panattoni Development.
Present for the Petitioner:
Paul Reis with Bose, McKinney, & Evans representing
Panattoni Development.
Petitioner’s Presentation: Paul Reis
said that they are rezoning the parcels to the B-3
district. He said that they will be back at TAC next month to collect the comments for the
DP/ADLS and they were anticipating building three office buildings on the site.
Greg Hoyes, Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office:
He said that he had no comments on
the rezoning.
Chuck Shupperd, Vectren Energy:
He said that they had no comments.
Mike McBride, Hamilton County Highway:
He said that they project was not in their
jurisdiction.
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Nick Redden, Carmel Engineering:
He said that they had no comments on the rezoning
at this time.
Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Department:
He said that he had no comments on the rezoning.
Scott Brewer, Carmel Urban Forester:
He clarified the boundaries of the rezoning. He
clarified that Paul Reis would be sending him an additional copy of the landscape plan.
Matt Griffin, Carmel Department of Community Services:
He said that he had no
comments.
Christine Barton-Holmes, Carmel Department of Community Services:
She said that
she would reserve her comments for ADLS.
Angie Conn, Carmel Department of Community Services:
She said that she had no
comments.
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10:00 a.m.
Docket No. 06060005 DP: Block G, West Carmel Marketplace
The applicant seeks site plan approval for a proposed commercial retail building.
Elevations and an ADLS/DP Amend application will be submitted at a later date.
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The site is located at 99 Street and North Michigan Road and is zoned B2/B3.
Filed by Chris Laystrom of Woolpert Engineering for Duke Construction.
Present for the Petitioner:
Chris Laystrom with Woolpert, Inc., and Kathy Berger and
Greg Thompson with Duke Construction.
Petitioner’s Presentation: Chris Laystrom
said that they are looking at moving forward
with Parking lot, site plan, drainage, and landscaping approval. He said that they were not
seeking approval for the building yet.
Greg Hoyes, Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office:
He said that he sent the petitioners a
comment letter and that there really weren’t any major issues with it.
Chuck Shupperd, Vectren Energy:
He said that he had no comments.
Mike McBride, Hamilton County Highway:
He said that it appears that the only
activity that the petitioners have planned in the right of way is the approach. He said that
he his first impression is that the radii isn’t very long on it. He clarified that the
petitioner’s expect all of their commercial deliveries to come off of Commerce Drive. He
said that he needed a project review application to be submitted. He gave the petitioners a
blank application and said that he would issue a formal review letter when he received that
application back.
Nick Redden, Carmel Engineering:
He said that this project was outside of their
jurisdiction.
Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Department:
He gave the petitioners a copy of the Fire
Department’s review letter and business cards. He said that he wants the petitioners to set
up a meeting with the Fire Department to discuss the Fire Department connections. He
said that it appears from the plans that there are two different water systems that go into
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the building.
Chris Laystrom
said that Duke hasn’t worked out yet whether they will have one or two
tenants occupying the building. He said that he had shown it as two for now.
Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Department:
He said that they were going to request a Knox
Box and the Fire Department Connection caps for the sprinkler Siamese. He clarified that
there would not be a basement.
Scott Brewer, Carmel Urban Forester:
He said that he hasn’t had time to send a review
letter yet, but that he would get the review finished by next week.
Matt Griffin, Carmel Department of Community Services:
He said that the petitioners
would need to show a pedestrian connection or some sort of delineation into the site
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possible connecting from 99 street. He said that since there is now a new City bike-
parking requirement, they would need to see the bike parking noted on the plans
somewhere.
Christine Barton-Holmes, Carmel Department of Community Services:
She said that
she would have more comments for the petitioners at the ADLS stage, but that she had no
comments right now.
Angie Conn, Carmel Department of Community Services:
She said that she had no
comments.
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10:10 a.m.
Docket No. 06060006 PP: Little Farm Subdivision
The applicant seeks to divide one parcel into two parcels, to allow for the construction of
two, two-family dwellings. A variance has been granted to allow for reduced lot size.
The site is located at 10506 Combs Avenue and is zoned R3.
Filed by Shahpor Shahbahrami.
Present for the Petitioner:
Shahpor Shahbahrami
Petitioner’s Presentation: Shahpor Shahbahrami
introduced the project.
Greg Hoyes, Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office:
He gave the petitioner his comment
letter. He said that the site is under the jurisdiction of Hamilton County. He said that
there is a large offsite drainage area that passes through it. He said that the Primary Plat
doesn’t comply with Indiana Code 36.9.27.69.5, which is the drainage code. He said that
they need more information regarding how the drainage will be addressed and that the
Hamilton County Surveyor will not sign off on the County review sheet and the
Commission will not approve the plat without that.
Chuck Shupperd, Vectren Energy:
He said that they would be ready to extend their gas
facilities when and if the petitioner needs gas service to the duplex.
Mike McBride, Hamilton County Highway Department:
He said that their review is
not complete. He said that the petitioner needed to fill out an application and pay the
application fee. He said that in subdividing land, the County requires the petitioner to
dedicate the Right of Way pursuant to the County’s Thoroughfare plan, which would be a
30 feet half on Combs Avenue. He said that for an eighty-five foot frontage, they would
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require a single drive to the site. He said that the County ordinance requires 200 ft.
separation between driveways. He said that if the lot is less than 200 ft. they have to allow
the petitioner to have access to their property, but that they do not have to allow the
petitioner to have two driveways on the property. He said that previous practice does not
dictate what is done in the current. He said that the ordinance dictates what is done in the
current.
Nick Redden, Carmel Engineering:
He said that this is outside of their jurisdiction.
Gary Hoyt, Carmel Fire Department:
He said that they didn’t have any comments.
Scott Brewer, Carmel Urban Forester:
He gave the petitioner his business card and
said that he thought that the Home lace Overlay would apply on the landscaping standards
for the site. He said that he would look through that ordinance to see what would apply to
this site in particular.
Matt Griffin, Carmel Department of Community Services:
He said that he would put
together a letter for the petitioner with some bullet points of comments on the plat. He said
that he wanted to talk to the petitioner about the process of getting the Mylar submitted
and the Secondary Plat phase of this project.
Christine Barton-Holmes, Carmel Department of Community Services:
She said that
at the meeting to discuss the secondary plat phase, they could possibly discuss how to
remedy the driveway situation as well.
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