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Home My WebLink About12090092 Correspondence (2)1 Mishler, Nicholas F From:Foley, Amanda J Sent:Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:40 PM To:Mishler, Nicholas F; Duncan, Gary R Cc:Redden, Nick; Thomas, John G; Barnes, David R Subject:RE: Rinehart Farms Stable Nick, I went over, and Pam let me look at the plans you got. They are consistent with what we approved. Thanks, Amanda Foley Staff Engineer City of Carmel Department of Engineering 317-571-2309 (direct) afoley@carmel.in.gov From: Mishler, Nicholas F Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:05 PM To: Duncan, Gary R Cc: Foley, Amanda J; Redden, Nick; Thomas, John G; Barnes, David R Subject: Rinehart Farms Stable Gary, I finally received the application for the riding stable at Rinehart Farms, and there was a note to have the drainage OK’d by you. Do you have any issues with this project? Thanks, Nick Mishler Administrative Assistant Building & Code Services (317) 571-2489 Please consider the environment before printing this email 2 Mishler, Nicholas F From:Thomas, John G Sent:Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:05 PM To:Mishler, Nicholas F Subject:Automatic reply: Rinehart Farms Stable Thank you for your email, but I will out of the office until Monday, September 24th. I will respond as soon as possible upon my return. If you need immediate assistance please call the Engineering Department at 317-571-2441. Sincerely, John Thomas 3 Mishler, Nicholas F From:Blanchard, Jim E Sent:Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:42 AM To:Mishler, Nicholas F Subject:Re: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd That's correct. Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:11 AM, "Mishler, Nicholas F" <nmishler@carmel.in.gov> wrote: Jim, just to clarify, this project will go in as a residential addition and those fees will be charged for this? Thanks, Nick Mishler Administrative Assistant Building & Code Services (317) 571-2489 Please consider the environment before printing this email From: Blanchard, Jim E Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:24 PM To: Mishler, Nicholas F Cc: Conn, Angelina V Subject: Re: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Residential . Thank you Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2012, at 12:16 PM, "Mishler, Nicholas F" <nmishler@carmel.in.gov> wrote: 4 OK, would this be residential or commercial fees? Thanks, Nick Mishler Administrative Assistant Building & Code Services (317) 571-2489 Please consider the environment before printing this email From: Blanchard, Jim E Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:14 PM To: Conn, Angelina V Cc: Mishler, Nicholas F Subject: Re: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd If zoning is approved, I am ok with the rineharts applying for a building permit as this will not be open to the public and has been stated it will be used for private use only. Hope this helps any questions I will be in later Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:52 AM, "Conn, Angelina V" <Aconn@carmel.in.gov> wrote: Nick – I see what you are saying. I am hoping that Jim can make a determination on that, since it is related to the Building Code and State review and all that. (I am not familiar at all with building code aspects and laws…) 5 Thanks! Angie From: Mishler, Nicholas F Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:41 AM To: Conn, Angelina V; Blanchard, Jim E Subject: FW: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Angie, I’m not sure this letter eliminates any of the questions I had about the use of the property. It says the property will be private use only…to individuals and students paying for riding lessons. To me this is like McDonald’s saying they’re not commercial because they only sell food privately to their customers. I’ll let you guys decide on this one. I just don’t want to have the state come back to us and say it was my fault if it didn’t go through them. Thanks, Nick Mishler Administrative Assistant Building & Code Services (317) 571-2489 Please consider the environment before printing this email From: Kilmer, Roger A. [mailto:Roger.Kilmer@faegrebd.com] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:29 AM To: Conn, Angelina V Cc: Blanchard, Jim E; Mishler, Nicholas F Subject: RE: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd 6 Good morning, Angie. Attached is a letter from Richard Rinehart, owner of Rinehart Farm & Stables, addressing the concern expressed in your e-mail below. I will deliver the hard copy of the letter to your office today. We do hope this letter will allow Mr. Rinehart’s builder, Cleary Building Corp., to secure the permits required for construction without the requirement of a State stamp. Please advise if this letter is sufficient for that purpose. If there are any additional questions, please let me know. Thank you. Roger A. Kilmer Land Use Consultant roger.kilmer@FaegreBD.com Direct: 1 317 569 4891 Cell: 1 317 985 6738 FaegreBD.com Download vCard FAEGRE BAKER DANIELS LLP 600 E. 96th Street Suite 600 Indianapolis, IN 46240, USA 7 From: Conn, Angelina V [mailto:Aconn@carmel.in.gov] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:45 AM To: Kilmer, Roger A. Subject: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Hi, Roger – here is what we need you or the property owner to do: Send me an email and CC: Jim Blanchard and Nick Mishler (jblanchard@carmel.in.gov and nmishler@carmel.in.gov ) explaining the use of that building. We need to know that the horse stables are for a private use only (private rental of stalls for horses), and not open to the general public (such as a horse show or something like that). If the owner is comfortable with that, to show that they are a private facility, then he would not be required to get State approval. But once it becomes a commercial facility, then that is what triggers the State’s reviews of the building plans, if I understand correctly. Angie Conn, Planning Administrator City of Carmel Planning & Zoning Division Dept. of Community Services 1 Civic Square, 3rd Flr. Carmel, IN 46032 O: 317-571-2417 | F: 317-571-2426 | E: aconn@carmel.in.gov W: www.carmeldocs.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail 8 Mishler, Nicholas F From:Conn, Angelina V Sent:Friday, August 31, 2012 2:32 PM To:Kilmer, Roger A. Cc:Blanchard, Jim E; Mishler, Nicholas F Subject:Re: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Yes. Angie Conn On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:11 PM, "Kilmer, Roger A." <Roger.Kilmer@faegrebd.com> wrote: Angie, Based upon Nick’s e-mail below, since Mr. Rinehart has received the Special Exception and Variance – is he “good to go” for the building permit application? Thanks. Roger A. Kilmer Land Use Consultant roger.kilmer@FaegreBD.com Direct: 1 317 569 4891 Cell: 1 317 985 6738 FaegreBD.com Download vCard FAEGRE BAKER DANIELS LLP 600 E. 96th Street Suite 600 Indianapolis, IN 46240, USA From: Mishler, Nicholas F [mailto:nmishler@carmel.in.gov] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 4:14 PM To: Kilmer, Roger A. Cc: Conn, Angelina V; Blanchard, Jim E Subject: RE: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Roger, as long as you have zoning approval, our department is OK with taking in the building permit application. Thanks, Nick Mishler Administrative Assistant Building & Code Services (317) 571-2489 Please consider the environment before printing this email 9 From: Kilmer, Roger A. [mailto:Roger.Kilmer@faegrebd.com] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:29 AM To: Conn, Angelina V Cc: Blanchard, Jim E; Mishler, Nicholas F Subject: RE: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Good morning, Angie. Attached is a letter from Richard Rinehart, owner of Rinehart Farm & Stables, addressing the concern expressed in your e-mail below. I will deliver the hard copy of the letter to your office today. We do hope this letter will allow Mr. Rinehart’s builder, Cleary Building Corp., to secure the permits required for construction without the requirement of a State stamp. Please advise if this letter is sufficient for that purpose. If there are any additional questions, please let me know. Thank you. Roger A. Kilmer Land Use Consultant roger.kilmer@FaegreBD.com Direct: 1 317 569 4891 Cell: 1 317 985 6738 FaegreBD.com Download vCard FAEGRE BAKER DANIELS LLP 600 E. 96th Street Suite 600 Indianapolis, IN 46240, USA From: Conn, Angelina V [mailto:Aconn@carmel.in.gov] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:45 AM To: Kilmer, Roger A. Subject: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Hi, Roger – here is what we need you or the property owner to do: Send me an email and CC: Jim Blanchard and Nick Mishler (jblanchard@carmel.in.gov and nmishler@carmel.in.gov ) explaining the use of that building. We need to know that the horse stables are for a private use only (private rental of stalls for horses), and not open to the general public (such as a horse show or something like that). If the owner is comfortable with that, to show that they are a private facility, then he would not be required to get State approval. But once it becomes a commercial facility, then that is what triggers the State’s reviews of the building plans, if I understand correctly. Angie Conn, Planning Administrator City of Carmel Planning & Zoning Division Dept. of Community Services 1 Civic Square, 3rd Flr. Carmel, IN 46032 O: 317-571-2417 | F: 317-571-2426 | E: aconn@carmel.in.gov 10 W: www.carmeldocs.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail 11 Mishler, Nicholas F From:Kilmer, Roger A. [Roger.Kilmer@faegrebd.com] Sent:Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 PM To:Conn, Angelina V Cc:Blanchard, Jim E; Mishler, Nicholas F Subject:RE: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Angie, Based upon Nick’s e-mail below, since Mr. Rinehart has received the Special Exception and Variance – is he “good to go” for the building permit application? Thanks. Roger A. Kilmer Land Use Consultant roger.kilmer@FaegreBD.com Direct: 1 317 569 4891 Cell: 1 317 985 6738 FaegreBD.com Download vCard FAEGRE BAKER DANIELS LLP 600 E. 96th Street Suite 600 Indianapolis, IN 46240, USA From: Mishler, Nicholas F [mailto:nmishler@carmel.in.gov] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 4:14 PM To: Kilmer, Roger A. Cc: Conn, Angelina V; Blanchard, Jim E Subject: RE: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Roger, as long as you have zoning approval, our department is OK with taking in the building permit application. Thanks, Nick Mishler Administrative Assistant Building & Code Services (317) 571-2489 Please consider the environment before printing this email From: Kilmer, Roger A. [mailto:Roger.Kilmer@faegrebd.com] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:29 AM To: Conn, Angelina V Cc: Blanchard, Jim E; Mishler, Nicholas F Subject: RE: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Good morning, Angie. 12 Attached is a letter from Richard Rinehart, owner of Rinehart Farm & Stables, addressing the concern expressed in your e-mail below. I will deliver the hard copy of the letter to your office today. We do hope this letter will allow Mr. Rinehart’s builder, Cleary Building Corp., to secure the permits required for construction without the requirement of a State stamp. Please advise if this letter is sufficient for that purpose. If there are any additional questions, please let me know. Thank you. Roger A. Kilmer Land Use Consultant roger.kilmer@FaegreBD.com Direct: 1 317 569 4891 Cell: 1 317 985 6738 FaegreBD.com Download vCard FAEGRE BAKER DANIELS LLP 600 E. 96th Street Suite 600 Indianapolis, IN 46240, USA From: Conn, Angelina V [mailto:Aconn@carmel.in.gov] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:45 AM To: Kilmer, Roger A. Subject: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Hi, Roger – here is what we need you or the property owner to do: Send me an email and CC: Jim Blanchard and Nick Mishler (jblanchard@carmel.in.gov and nmishler@carmel.in.gov ) explaining the use of that building. We need to know that the horse stables are for a private use only (private rental of stalls for horses), and not open to the general public (such as a horse show or something like that). If the owner is comfortable with that, to show that they are a private facility, then he would not be required to get State approval. But once it becomes a commercial facility, then that is what triggers the State’s reviews of the building plans, if I understand correctly. Angie Conn, Planning Administrator City of Carmel Planning & Zoning Division Dept. of Community Services 1 Civic Square, 3rd Flr. Carmel, IN 46032 O: 317-571-2417 | F: 317-571-2426 | E: aconn@carmel.in.gov W: www.carmeldocs.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail 13 Mishler, Nicholas F From:Blanchard, Jim E Sent:Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:24 PM To:Mishler, Nicholas F Cc:Conn, Angelina V Subject:Re: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Residential . Thank you Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2012, at 12:16 PM, "Mishler, Nicholas F" <nmishler@carmel.in.gov> wrote: OK, would this be residential or commercial fees? Thanks, Nick Mishler Administrative Assistant Building & Code Services (317) 571-2489 Please consider the environment before printing this email From: Blanchard, Jim E Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:14 PM To: Conn, Angelina V Cc: Mishler, Nicholas F Subject: Re: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd If zoning is approved, I am ok with the rineharts applying for a building permit as this will not be open to the public and has been stated it will be used for private use only. Hope this helps any questions I will be in later Sent from my iPhone 14 On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:52 AM, "Conn, Angelina V" <Aconn@carmel.in.gov> wrote: Nick – I see what you are saying. I am hoping that Jim can make a determination on that, since it is related to the Building Code and State review and all that. (I am not familiar at all with building code aspects and laws…) Thanks! Angie From: Mishler, Nicholas F Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:41 AM To: Conn, Angelina V; Blanchard, Jim E Subject: FW: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Angie, I’m not sure this letter eliminates any of the questions I had about the use of the property. It says the property will be private use only…to individuals and students paying for riding lessons. To me this is like McDonald’s saying they’re not commercial because they only sell food privately to their customers. I’ll let you guys decide on this one. I just don’t want to have the state come back to us and say it was my fault if it didn’t go through them. Thanks, Nick Mishler Administrative Assistant Building & Code Services (317) 571-2489 15 Please consider the environment before printing this email From: Kilmer, Roger A. [mailto:Roger.Kilmer@faegrebd.com] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:29 AM To: Conn, Angelina V Cc: Blanchard, Jim E; Mishler, Nicholas F Subject: RE: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Good morning, Angie. Attached is a letter from Richard Rinehart, owner of Rinehart Farm & Stables, addressing the concern expressed in your e-mail below. I will deliver the hard copy of the letter to your office today. We do hope this letter will allow Mr. Rinehart’s builder, Cleary Building Corp., to secure the permits required for construction without the requirement of a State stamp. Please advise if this letter is sufficient for that purpose. If there are any additional questions, please let me know. Thank you. Roger A. Kilmer Land Use Consultant roger.kilmer@FaegreBD.com Direct: 1 317 569 4891 Cell: 1 317 985 6738 FaegreBD.com Download vCard 16 FAEGRE BAKER DANIELS LLP 600 E. 96th Street Suite 600 Indianapolis, IN 46240, USA From: Conn, Angelina V [mailto:Aconn@carmel.in.gov] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:45 AM To: Kilmer, Roger A. Subject: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Hi, Roger – here is what we need you or the property owner to do: Send me an email and CC: Jim Blanchard and Nick Mishler (jblanchard@carmel.in.gov and nmishler@carmel.in.gov ) explaining the use of that building. We need to know that the horse stables are for a private use only (private rental of stalls for horses), and not open to the general public (such as a horse show or something like that). If the owner is comfortable with that, to show that they are a private facility, then he would not be required to get State approval. But once it becomes a commercial facility, then that is what triggers the State’s reviews of the building plans, if I understand correctly. Angie Conn, Planning Administrator City of Carmel Planning & Zoning Division Dept. of Community Services 1 Civic Square, 3rd Flr. Carmel, IN 46032 O: 317-571-2417 | F: 317-571-2426 | E: aconn@carmel.in.gov W: www.carmeldocs.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail 17 18 Mishler, Nicholas F From:Blanchard, Jim E Sent:Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:14 PM To:Conn, Angelina V Cc:Mishler, Nicholas F Subject:Re: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd If zoning is approved, I am ok with the rineharts applying for a building permit as this will not be open to the public and has been stated it will be used for private use only. Hope this helps any questions I will be in later Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:52 AM, "Conn, Angelina V" <Aconn@carmel.in.gov> wrote: Nick – I see what you are saying. I am hoping that Jim can make a determination on that, since it is related to the Building Code and State review and all that. (I am not familiar at all with building code aspects and laws…) Thanks! Angie From: Mishler, Nicholas F Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:41 AM To: Conn, Angelina V; Blanchard, Jim E Subject: FW: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Angie, I’m not sure this letter eliminates any of the questions I had about the use of the property. It says the property will be private use only…to individuals and students paying for riding lessons. To me this is like McDonald’s saying they’re not commercial because they only sell food privately to their customers. I’ll let you guys decide on this one. I just don’t want to have the state come back to us and say it was my fault if it didn’t go through them. 19 Thanks, Nick Mishler Administrative Assistant Building & Code Services (317) 571-2489 Please consider the environment before printing this email From: Kilmer, Roger A. [mailto:Roger.Kilmer@faegrebd.com] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:29 AM To: Conn, Angelina V Cc: Blanchard, Jim E; Mishler, Nicholas F Subject: RE: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Good morning, Angie. Attached is a letter from Richard Rinehart, owner of Rinehart Farm & Stables, addressing the concern expressed in your e-mail below. I will deliver the hard copy of the letter to your office today. We do hope this letter will allow Mr. Rinehart’s builder, Cleary Building Corp., to secure the permits required for construction without the requirement of a State stamp. Please advise if this letter is sufficient for that purpose. If there are any additional questions, please let me know. Thank you. Roger A. Kilmer Land Use Consultant roger.kilmer@FaegreBD.com 20 Direct: 1 317 569 4891 Cell: 1 317 985 6738 FaegreBD.com Download vCard FAEGRE BAKER DANIELS LLP 600 E. 96th Street Suite 600 Indianapolis, IN 46240, USA From: Conn, Angelina V [mailto:Aconn@carmel.in.gov] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:45 AM To: Kilmer, Roger A. Subject: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Hi, Roger – here is what we need you or the property owner to do: Send me an email and CC: Jim Blanchard and Nick Mishler (jblanchard@carmel.in.gov and nmishler@carmel.in.gov ) explaining the use of that building. We need to know that the horse stables are for a private use only (private rental of stalls for horses), and not open to the general public (such as a horse show or something like that). If the owner is comfortable with that, to show that they are a private facility, then he would not be required to get State approval. But once it becomes a commercial facility, then that is what triggers the State’s reviews of the building plans, if I understand correctly. Angie Conn, Planning Administrator City of Carmel Planning & Zoning Division Dept. of Community Services 1 Civic Square, 3rd Flr. Carmel, IN 46032 21 O: 317-571-2417 | F: 317-571-2426 | E: aconn@carmel.in.gov W: www.carmeldocs.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail 22 Mishler, Nicholas F From:Conn, Angelina V Sent:Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:53 AM To:Mishler, Nicholas F Cc:Blanchard, Jim E Subject:RE: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Nick – I see what you are saying. I am hoping that Jim can make a determination on that, since it is related to the Building Code and State review and all that. (I am not familiar at all with building code aspects and laws…) Thanks! Angie From: Mishler, Nicholas F Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:41 AM To: Conn, Angelina V; Blanchard, Jim E Subject: FW: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Angie, I’m not sure this letter eliminates any of the questions I had about the use of the property. It says the property will be private use only…to individuals and students paying for riding lessons. To me this is like McDonald’s saying they’re not commercial because they only sell food privately to their customers. I’ll let you guys decide on this one. I just don’t want to have the state come back to us and say it was my fault if it didn’t go through them. Thanks, Nick Mishler Administrative Assistant Building & Code Services (317) 571-2489 Please consider the environment before printing this email From: Kilmer, Roger A. [mailto:Roger.Kilmer@faegrebd.com] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:29 AM To: Conn, Angelina V Cc: Blanchard, Jim E; Mishler, Nicholas F Subject: RE: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Good morning, Angie. Attached is a letter from Richard Rinehart, owner of Rinehart Farm & Stables, addressing the concern expressed in your e-mail below. I will deliver the hard copy of the letter to your office today. We do hope this letter will allow Mr. Rinehart’s builder, Cleary Building Corp., to secure the permits required for construction without the requirement of a State stamp. Please advise if this letter is sufficient for that purpose. If there are any additional questions, please let me know. 23 Thank you. Roger A. Kilmer Land Use Consultant roger.kilmer@FaegreBD.com Direct: 1 317 569 4891 Cell: 1 317 985 6738 FaegreBD.com Download vCard FAEGRE BAKER DANIELS LLP 600 E. 96th Street Suite 600 Indianapolis, IN 46240, USA From: Conn, Angelina V [mailto:Aconn@carmel.in.gov] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:45 AM To: Kilmer, Roger A. Subject: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Hi, Roger – here is what we need you or the property owner to do: Send me an email and CC: Jim Blanchard and Nick Mishler (jblanchard@carmel.in.gov and nmishler@carmel.in.gov ) explaining the use of that building. We need to know that the horse stables are for a private use only (private rental of stalls for horses), and not open to the general public (such as a horse show or something like that). If the owner is comfortable with that, to show that they are a private facility, then he would not be required to get State approval. But once it becomes a commercial facility, then that is what triggers the State’s reviews of the building plans, if I understand correctly. Angie Conn, Planning Administrator City of Carmel Planning & Zoning Division Dept. of Community Services 1 Civic Square, 3rd Flr. Carmel, IN 46032 O: 317-571-2417 | F: 317-571-2426 | E: aconn@carmel.in.gov W: www.carmeldocs.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail 24 Mishler, Nicholas F From:Kilmer, Roger A. [Roger.Kilmer@faegrebd.com] Sent:Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:29 AM To:Conn, Angelina V Cc:Blanchard, Jim E; Mishler, Nicholas F Subject:RE: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Good morning, Angie. Attached is a letter from Richard Rinehart, owner of Rinehart Farm & Stables, addressing the concern expressed in your e-mail below. I will deliver the hard copy of the letter to your office today. We do hope this letter will allow Mr. Rinehart’s builder, Cleary Building Corp., to secure the permits required for construction without the requirement of a State stamp. Please advise if this letter is sufficient for that purpose. If there are any additional questions, please let me know. Thank you. Roger A. Kilmer Land Use Consultant roger.kilmer@FaegreBD.com Direct: 1 317 569 4891 Cell: 1 317 985 6738 FaegreBD.com Download vCard FAEGRE BAKER DANIELS LLP 600 E. 96th Street Suite 600 Indianapolis, IN 46240, USA From: Conn, Angelina V [mailto:Aconn@carmel.in.gov] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:45 AM To: Kilmer, Roger A. Subject: Rinehart Stable; 14350 Ditch Rd Hi, Roger – here is what we need you or the property owner to do: Send me an email and CC: Jim Blanchard and Nick Mishler (jblanchard@carmel.in.gov and nmishler@carmel.in.gov ) explaining the use of that building. We need to know that the horse stables are for a private use only (private rental of stalls for horses), and not open to the general public (such as a horse show or something like that). If the owner is comfortable with that, to show that they are a private facility, then he would not be required to get State approval. But once it becomes a commercial facility, then that is what triggers the State’s reviews of the building plans, if I understand correctly. Angie Conn, Planning Administrator City of Carmel Planning & Zoning Division Dept. of Community Services 1 Civic Square, 3rd Flr. 25 Carmel, IN 46032 O: 317-571-2417 | F: 317-571-2426 | E: aconn@carmel.in.gov W: www.carmeldocs.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail 26 Mishler, Nicholas F From:Conn, Angelina V Sent:Friday, June 22, 2012 9:40 AM To:Mishler, Nicholas F Subject:Re: Rinehart Farms hold on ILP issuance Planning/zoning is ok, since the got Bza approvals a while ago. Angie Conn On Jun 22, 2012, at 9:29 AM, "Mishler, Nicholas F" <nmishler@carmel.in.gov> wrote: Hey Angie, do you know where this currently stands? Someone just brought plans in for an addition but didn’t have State Release info so I wasn’t able to take it in. I just want to get a feel for where it stands for when he comes back. Thanks, Nick Mishler Administrative Assistant Building & Code Services (317) 571-2489 Please consider the environment before printing this email From: Conn, Angelina V Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:52 AM To: Mishler, Nicholas F Cc: Druley, Elizabeth A; 'Kilmer, Roger A.' Subject: FW: Rinehart Farms hold on ILP issuance FYI – there is a ‘hold’ on this parcel in Pentamation, because of the Engineering Dept’s unresolved issues relating to drainage. It is related to this BZA docket that was recently approved: (V, SU Amend) Rinehart Stable. The applicant seeks the following special use amendment approval & development standards variance approval: Docket No. 11120008 SU ZO Chptr. 21.05 & 5.02 Special Use Expansion, Riding Stable. Docket No. 11120006 V ZO Chptr. 27.03 Curbed/paved parking area. The site is located at 14350 Ditch Rd. It is zoned S-1/Residence. Filed by Joseph Scimia of Baker & Daniels LLP, for Rinehart Farm, Inc. -Angie Conn, Planning Administrator From: Duncan, Gary R Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:14 AM To: Greg Ilko 27 Cc: Greg Hoyes; Thomas, John G; Conn, Angelina V Subject: RE: Rinehart Farms Review Letter G, We have not heard back from them. I understand that they received their development standards variance. I have requested that a hold be placed on the ILP until they respond to us. Gary From: Greg Ilko [mailto:gilko@crossroadengineers.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:58 PM To: Duncan, Gary R Cc: Greg Hoyes; Thomas, John G Subject: RE: Rinehart Farms Review Letter Gary, Did you hear back from them regarding this one? We never made any formal comments since nothing was submitted. Are they formalizing a resubmittal? G From: Duncan, Gary R [mailto:gduncan@carmel.in.gov] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:51 AM To: Greg R. Hoyes; 'roger.kilmer@bakerd.com' Cc: Conn, Angelina V; Barnes, David R; David E. Lucas; Greg Ilko; Thomas, John G; Redden, Nick Subject: RE: Rinehart Farms Review Letter Mr. Kilmer, Here are my review comments for this project. These comments are in addition to any comments issued by Nick Redden and John Thomas of my office. 1. The proposed expansion is less than 0.25-acres. However, the expansion is located within existing lawn area and the existing improvements on the property far exceed this threshold without an apparent stormwater management facility. When considering the storm water runoff from the existing improvements that leaves the site un-managed, the Department expects that the proposed expansion will result in or represents the potential to result in a Detriment (as defined in Carmel City Code Section 6-222) by resulting in “an increase in the amount of discharge” and is prohibited per Carmel City Code Section 6-227(a) (1). Stormwater management facilities shall be provided for the building expansion. The Department would be happy to meet and discuss options that would be considered to satisfy this requirement. 2. Further, due to the existing and expanded use of this property as a stabling facility, the City recognizes the increased potential for pollutants associated with animal waste to enter the City’s MS4 system. Pursuant to Carmel City Code 6-196, the Department requests an operation and maintenance manual be created for this project. This manual shall detail procedures and measures taken by the facility to prevent, control and reduce pollutants associated with the use of the property as a whole (not just the building expansion). This manual shall be in the format specified by the City’s SWPPP 28 requirements and shall be submitted for review and approval by the City. It shall also contain an Owner Acknowledgement Agreement signed by the property owner. The Department has examples of documents developed for other, similar uses within the City. 3. A right-of-way permit is required for construction equipment access from the right-of- way. 4. A construction phase erosion and sediment control plan shall be submitted to this office and approved prior to the start of construction activity. 5. The Department of Engineering also understands that a variance from the requirement to surface and curb the parking lot has been requested. Due to the fact that the parking lot is existing and there are no planned expansions of this parking area, the Department finds no engineering justification to deny the requested variance. Please let me know if you have any questions, Gary From: Greg R. Hoyes [mailto:Greg.Hoyes@hamiltoncounty.in.gov] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:47 AM To: 'roger.kilmer@bakerd.com' Cc: Conn, Angelina V; Barnes, David R; David E. Lucas; Duncan, Gary R; Greg Ilko; Thomas, John G Subject: Rinehart Farms Review Letter Roger Attached is my review letter for the Special Use and Variance Request for Rinehart Farms. If you have any questions, please let me know. Greg Hoyes, AC, CFM, CPESC Plan Reviewer Hamilton County Surveyor's Office One Hamilton County Square Suite 188 Noblesville, IN. 46060 Phone: (317) 776-8495 Fax: (317) 776-9628 Greg.Hoyes@hamiltoncounty.in.gov Website: www.hamiltoncounty.in.gov 29 Mishler, Nicholas F From:Kilmer, Roger A. [Roger.Kilmer@faegrebd.com] Sent:Monday, February 13, 2012 11:06 AM To:Conn, Angelina V; Mishler, Nicholas F Cc:Druley, Elizabeth A; Duncan, Gary R; gilko@crossroadengineers.com Subject:RE: Rinehart Farms hold on ILP issuance To All: Rinehart Farms is in the process of selecting an engineer to assist them with the needed drawings and studies related to the drainage comments Mr. Duncan and to assist with the ILP process. They understand that the drainage questions must be resolved prior to the issuance of the necessary ILP. Their intent is not to avoid or circumvent any portion of the approval process. If you need something from them immediately, please let me know and I will coordinate a response. Thank you. Roger A. Kilmer Land Use Consultant roger.kilmer@FaegreBD.com Direct: 1 317 569 4891 Cell: 1 317 985 6738 FaegreBD.com Download vCard FAEGRE BAKER DANIELS LLP 600 E. 96th Street Suite 600 Indianapolis, IN 46240, USA From: Conn, Angelina V [mailto:Aconn@carmel.in.gov] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:52 AM To: Mishler, Nicholas F Cc: Druley, Elizabeth A; Kilmer, Roger A. Subject: FW: Rinehart Farms hold on ILP issuance FYI – there is a ‘hold’ on this parcel in Pentamation, because of the Engineering Dept’s unresolved issues relating to drainage. It is related to this BZA docket that was recently approved: (V, SU Amend) Rinehart Stable. The applicant seeks the following special use amendment approval & development standards variance approval: Docket No. 11120008 SU ZO Chptr. 21.05 & 5.02 Special Use Expansion, Riding Stable. Docket No. 11120006 V ZO Chptr. 27.03 Curbed/paved parking area. The site is located at 14350 Ditch Rd. It is zoned S-1/Residence. Filed by Joseph Scimia of Baker & Daniels LLP, for Rinehart Farm, Inc. -Angie Conn, Planning Administrator From: Duncan, Gary R Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:14 AM To: Greg Ilko 30 Cc: Greg Hoyes; Thomas, John G; Conn, Angelina V Subject: RE: Rinehart Farms Review Letter G, We have not heard back from them. I understand that they received their development standards variance. I have requested that a hold be placed on the ILP until they respond to us. Gary From: Greg Ilko [mailto:gilko@crossroadengineers.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:58 PM To: Duncan, Gary R Cc: Greg Hoyes; Thomas, John G Subject: RE: Rinehart Farms Review Letter Gary, Did you hear back from them regarding this one? We never made any formal comments since nothing was submitted. Are they formalizing a resubmittal? G From: Duncan, Gary R [mailto:gduncan@carmel.in.gov] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:51 AM To: Greg R. Hoyes; 'roger.kilmer@bakerd.com' Cc: Conn, Angelina V; Barnes, David R; David E. Lucas; Greg Ilko; Thomas, John G; Redden, Nick Subject: RE: Rinehart Farms Review Letter Mr. Kilmer, Here are my review comments for this project. These comments are in addition to any comments issued by Nick Redden and John Thomas of my office. 1. The proposed expansion is less than 0.25-acres. However, the expansion is located within existing lawn area and the existing improvements on the property far exceed this threshold without an apparent stormwater management facility. When considering the storm water runoff from the existing improvements that leaves the site un-managed, the Department expects that the proposed expansion will result in or represents the potential to result in a Detriment (as defined in Carmel City Code Section 6- 222) by resulting in “an increase in the amount of discharge” and is prohibited per Carmel City Code Section 6-227(a) (1). Stormwater management facilities shall be provided for the building expansion. The Department would be happy to meet and discuss options that would be considered to satisfy this requirement. 2. Further, due to the existing and expanded use of this property as a stabling facility, the City recognizes the increased potential for pollutants associated with animal waste to enter the City’s MS4 system. Pursuant to Carmel City Code 6-196, the Department requests an operation and maintenance manual be created for this project. This manual shall detail procedures and measures taken by the facility to prevent, control and reduce pollutants associated with the use of the property as a whole (not just the building expansion). This manual shall be in the format specified by the City’s SWPPP requirements and shall be submitted for review and approval by the City. It shall also contain an Owner 31 Acknowledgement Agreement signed by the property owner. The Department has examples of documents developed for other, similar uses within the City. 3. A right-of-way permit is required for construction equipment access from the right-of-way. 4. A construction phase erosion and sediment control plan shall be submitted to this office and approved prior to the start of construction activity. 5. The Department of Engineering also understands that a variance from the requirement to surface and curb the parking lot has been requested. Due to the fact that the parking lot is existing and there are no planned expansions of this parking area, the Department finds no engineering justification to deny the requested variance. Please let me know if you have any questions, Gary From: Greg R. Hoyes [mailto:Greg.Hoyes@hamiltoncounty.in.gov] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:47 AM To: 'roger.kilmer@bakerd.com' Cc: Conn, Angelina V; Barnes, David R; David E. Lucas; Duncan, Gary R; Greg Ilko; Thomas, John G Subject: Rinehart Farms Review Letter Roger Attached is my review letter for the Special Use and Variance Request for Rinehart Farms. If you have any questions, please let me know. Greg Hoyes, AC, CFM, CPESC Plan Reviewer Hamilton County Surveyor's Office One Hamilton County Square Suite 188 Noblesville, IN. 46060 Phone: (317) 776-8495 Fax: (317) 776-9628 Greg.Hoyes@hamiltoncounty.in.gov Website: www.hamiltoncounty.in.gov 32 Mishler, Nicholas F From:Conn, Angelina V Sent:Monday, February 13, 2012 10:52 AM To:Mishler, Nicholas F Cc:Druley, Elizabeth A; 'Kilmer, Roger A.' Subject:FW: Rinehart Farms hold on ILP issuance FYI – there is a ‘hold’ on this parcel in Pentamation, because of the Engineering Dept’s unresolved issues relating to drainage. It is related to this BZA docket that was recently approved: (V, SU Amend) Rinehart Stable. The applicant seeks the following special use amendment approval & development standards variance approval: Docket No. 11120008 SU ZO Chptr. 21.05 & 5.02 Special Use Expansion, Riding Stable. Docket No. 11120006 V ZO Chptr. 27.03 Curbed/paved parking area. The site is located at 14350 Ditch Rd. It is zoned S-1/Residence. Filed by Joseph Scimia of Baker & Daniels LLP, for Rinehart Farm, Inc. -Angie Conn, Planning Administrator From: Duncan, Gary R Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:14 AM To: Greg Ilko Cc: Greg Hoyes; Thomas, John G; Conn, Angelina V Subject: RE: Rinehart Farms Review Letter G, We have not heard back from them. I understand that they received their development standards variance. I have requested that a hold be placed on the ILP until they respond to us. Gary From: Greg Ilko [mailto:gilko@crossroadengineers.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:58 PM To: Duncan, Gary R Cc: Greg Hoyes; Thomas, John G Subject: RE: Rinehart Farms Review Letter Gary, Did you hear back from them regarding this one? We never made any formal comments since nothing was submitted. Are they formalizing a resubmittal? G From: Duncan, Gary R [mailto:gduncan@carmel.in.gov] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:51 AM To: Greg R. Hoyes; 'roger.kilmer@bakerd.com' 33 Cc: Conn, Angelina V; Barnes, David R; David E. Lucas; Greg Ilko; Thomas, John G; Redden, Nick Subject: RE: Rinehart Farms Review Letter Mr. Kilmer, Here are my review comments for this project. These comments are in addition to any comments issued by Nick Redden and John Thomas of my office. 1. The proposed expansion is less than 0.25-acres. However, the expansion is located within existing lawn area and the existing improvements on the property far exceed this threshold without an apparent stormwater management facility. When considering the storm water runoff from the existing improvements that leaves the site un-managed, the Department expects that the proposed expansion will result in or represents the potential to result in a Detriment (as defined in Carmel City Code Section 6- 222) by resulting in “an increase in the amount of discharge” and is prohibited per Carmel City Code Section 6-227(a) (1). Stormwater management facilities shall be provided for the building expansion. The Department would be happy to meet and discuss options that would be considered to satisfy this requirement. 2. Further, due to the existing and expanded use of this property as a stabling facility, the City recognizes the increased potential for pollutants associated with animal waste to enter the City’s MS4 system. Pursuant to Carmel City Code 6-196, the Department requests an operation and maintenance manual be created for this project. This manual shall detail procedures and measures taken by the facility to prevent, control and reduce pollutants associated with the use of the property as a whole (not just the building expansion). This manual shall be in the format specified by the City’s SWPPP requirements and shall be submitted for review and approval by the City. It shall also contain an Owner Acknowledgement Agreement signed by the property owner. The Department has examples of documents developed for other, similar uses within the City. 3. A right-of-way permit is required for construction equipment access from the right-of-way. 4. A construction phase erosion and sediment control plan shall be submitted to this office and approved prior to the start of construction activity. 5. The Department of Engineering also understands that a variance from the requirement to surface and curb the parking lot has been requested. Due to the fact that the parking lot is existing and there are no planned expansions of this parking area, the Department finds no engineering justification to deny the requested variance. Please let me know if you have any questions, Gary From: Greg R. Hoyes [mailto:Greg.Hoyes@hamiltoncounty.in.gov] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:47 AM To: 'roger.kilmer@bakerd.com' Cc: Conn, Angelina V; Barnes, David R; David E. Lucas; Duncan, Gary R; Greg Ilko; Thomas, John G Subject: Rinehart Farms Review Letter Roger Attached is my review letter for the Special Use and Variance Request for Rinehart Farms. If you have any questions, please let me know. Greg Hoyes, AC, CFM, CPESC Plan Reviewer 34 Hamilton County Surveyor's Office One Hamilton County Square Suite 188 Noblesville, IN. 46060 Phone: (317) 776-8495 Fax: (317) 776-9628 Greg.Hoyes@hamiltoncounty.in.gov Website: www.hamiltoncounty.in.gov