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CARMEL TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MEETING MINUTES
Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014
Place: Dept. of Community Services Conference Room, 3rd Floor, Carmel City Hall.
Time: 9:00 a.m. (Approximate start times for each item are listed below.)
9:00 a.m. Docket No. 13120021 PP: Saddlebrook at Shelborne Sections 3 & 4, Primary Plat.
The applicant seeks primary plat approval to plat 48 lots on 40.25 acres, and also seeks the following waivers
from the Subdivision Control Ordinance:
Docket No. 13120022 SW: SCO Chptr 6.03.06 - Required minimum rights-of-way and roadway widths.
Docket No. 14010001 SW: ZO Chptr 6.03.15 - 400-ft required minimum radius for curvature measured
along a centerline for a feeder street or parkway. The site is zoned S-1/Residence and is located at 12121 N.
Shelborne Rd. Filed by Dennis Olmstead of Stoeppelwerth & Associates, Inc., on behalf of Leeds I, LLC.
Alyson Donica with Faegre Baker Daniels, Michael Stikeleather with Leeds, LLC, Carol Tucker with Asset
Midwest and Brian Robinson with Stoeppelwerth and Associates presented on behalf of the petitioner. Mr.
Stikeleather introduced the project, which will be a 48-lot subdivision located at the northeast corner of 121st
Street and Shelborne Road. The scope of the project will be to take the beautiful subdivision which is there
already, and extend it through the adjacent property. Mr. Robinson said this particular subdivision will extend
out to the existing roundabout at 121st Street and Shelborne Road, and actually tie into the roundabout. Mr.
Robinson said this is almost a completely wooded parcel of land, and the goal is to preserve as many trees as
possible with this project.
Greg Hoyes – Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office
- Comment letter sent. Project will require an extension of the existing drainage system of sections 1 & 2.
Joanie Clark – Vectren Energy
- Ms. Clark asked about the timeline for construction on this project. Mr. Stikeleather said they would like
to start phase 3 as soon as possible, while phase 4 will be market dependant. Phase 3 is the area east of the
creek and phase 4 is west of the creek.
Nick Redden – City of Carmel Engineering Department
- Letter sent. No further comments. Mr. Robinson said the developers would like to move further into the
design before they answer many of the engineering questions.
David Lucas – Hamilton County Highway Department
- This project is outside HCHD’s jurisdiction.
Shirley Hunter – Duke Energy
- Ms. Hunter said phase 3, which is located on the east side of the creek, will be a problem. There is a loop
feed through the current subdivision that Duke will not be able to tie into. Ms. Hunter said this should be
able to be worked out eventually. Mr. Robinson asked if infrastructure was available at the current stub-
street, which is Lost Springs Rd. since there are two houses currently there. Ms. Hunter said there
potentially could be service to be tapped into on that street, but she would need to do research. Ms. Hunter
said as construction gets closer, and the developer has the secondary plat, she will be able to give much
more detail.
Teresa Lewis – City of Carmel Utilities
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Chris Ellison – Carmel Fire Department
- As a result of the phasing of this project, Mr. Ellison wanted to confirm that fire apparatus will be able to
access the site, as well as turn around. Mr. Stikeleather confirmed that trucks would be able to access the
site and turn around. Mr. Ellison asked if Forest Ridge Drive will be complete by the time this project takes
place. Mr. Robinson said this street will be completed.
Daren Mindham – City of Carmel Urban Forestry
- Comment letter sent. No further comments.
David Littlejohn – City of Carmel Alternative Transportation
- Asked how the pedestrian path and common area will be constructed, specifically what materials will be
used. Mr. Robinson said asphalt will be used for this area. Mr. Robinson said regarding the sidewalk that
comes out to the roundabout, the developer has been working closely with the owner of the property to the
south, as well as the Carmel Engineering Department to get this sidewalk though this area, and his
understanding is Mike McBride has signed off on this plan and how it is laid out. Mr. Littlejohn said he
typically likes to see as much connectivity as possible.
Angie Conn – City of Carmel Planning & Zoning
- Review comment letter will be sent soon.
Alexia Donahue-Wold – City of Carmel Planning & Zoning
- Asked if developer could submit an 11”x17” of the plat for the variance, as well as a site plan showing a
typical house on the lot and how the driveway and garage will fit on the parcel.
9:15 a.m. Docket No. 13120025 DP/ADLS: KG Main LLC, Old Meridian and West Main. (Sophia Pointe?)
The applicant seeks Plan Commission site plan and design approval for a 5-story tall mixed use development on
5.3 acres, for commercial and multifamily uses. The site is zoned OM/SFA (Old Meridian District, Single
Family Attached) & OM/MU (Old Meridian District, Mixed Use. It is located at 12960 Old Meridian St., at
Main St. Filed by Paul Reis of Krieg Devault, LLP on behalf of Keystone Realty Group, LLC.
And:
(UV, DSV’s) KG Main LLC, Old Meridian and West Main.
The applicant seeks the following BZA use variance approval for a multifamily land use:
Docket No. 13120026 UV ZO Chptr: 20G.05.01.A & Appendix A: PERMITTED USES, MULTI-
FAMILY LAND USE REQUESTED.
The petitioner also seeks the following development standards variance approvals:
Docket No. 13120027 V ZO CHPTR 20G.05.04.B(1)(B) - MAX BLDG HEIGHT OF 55-FT
PERMITTED, PETITIONER ASKS FOR MAX. 89 FEET HEIGHT.
Docket No. 13120028 V ZO CHPTR 20G.05.04.B(2)(A)- MINIMUM FRONT SETBACK TO BE
10-FT MEASURED FORM THE RIGHT OF WAY. PETITIONER
Docket No. 13120029 V ZO CHPTR 20G.05.04.B(3)(B) - MAX BLDG FOOTPRINT OF 15,000 SQ
FT REQ'D; PETITIONER PROPOSES MAX 43,000 SQ FT.
Docket No. 13120030 V ZO CHPTR 20G.05.04.D(2)(D) - MULTI FAMILY USES IN THIS ZONE
MUST CONFORM TO ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS
LISTED IN THE MULTIFAMILY ZONE (ZO CHPTR 20G.05.02.D)
Docket No. 13120031 V ZO CHPTR 20G.05.02.D(2)- VERTICAL OFFSETS ARE REQUIRED
AT INTERVALS OF NOT GREATER THAN 50-FT FOR BUILDINGS
WITH CONTINUOUS FACADES OF 60-FT OR GREATER WIDTH;
PETITIONER WANTS OFFSETS AT INTERVALS OF GREATER
THAN 50-FT AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING ON FACADES AS
PER THEIR SUBMITTED ELEVATIONS
Docket No. 13120032 V ZO CHPTR 20G.05.02.D(3)-ALL SIDES OF ANY BLDG SHALL BE
BRICK, EXCLUSIVE OF WINDOW AREAS, GABLES, AND RECESSED
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AREAS, AND TRIMMED IN BRICK, WOOD, STONE OR PRECAST
CONCRETE; PETITIONER WANTS TO INCLUDE FIBER CEMENT
SIDING/PANELING
Docket No. 13120033 V ZO CHPTR 20G.05.02.D(4)-FOR ALL BUILDINGS THAT FACE A
PUBLIC STREET, THERE MUST BE AT LEAST ONE ENTRANCE ON
THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING; PETITIONER WANTS TO ONLY
ALLOW FOR ENTRANCES ON THE REAR AND SIDES OF THE
BUILDING.
Docket No. 13120034 V ZO CHPTR 2.09- COMPLIANCE WITH THE TRANSPORTATION
PLAN AND THOROUGHFARE PLAN; PETITIONER WANTS TO
DEVIATE FROM THE STREET SYSTEM LAID OUT.
Docket No. 13120035 V ZO CHPTR 20G.04.03.A-INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALK ALONG
MAIN STREET IS REQUIRED; PETITIONER STATES THAT THE
CITY OR THE CRC WILL DO THIS INSTEAD OF THEM.
Docket No. 13120036 V ZO CHPTR 20G.05.01.B - ALL DEVELOPED LAND IS TO BE
DIVIDED INTO SIDE BY SIDE ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY
DWELLINGS. PETITIONER WANTS TO DEVELOP AS
MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS, APARTMENTS.
Docket No. 13120037 V ZO CHPTR 20G.05.01.F(1)(B)- 45-FT MAX BLDG HEIGHT OF FRONT
ELEVATION; PETITIONER WANTS 89-FT.
Docket No. 13120038 V ZO CHPTR 20G.05.01.F(4): 35’ MAX BLDG WIDTH REQ'D; 200’
REQUESTED.
Docket No. 13120039 V ZO CHPTR 20G.05.01.F(2)(A)- MIN 4-FT FRONT SETBACK
MEASURED FROM THE R/W REQ'D; 0-FT PROPOSED.
Docket No. 13120040 V ZO CHPTR 20G.05.01(F)(3)(B) - NO PARKING OR DRIVEWAYS IN
THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS. PETITIONER WANTS PARKING AND
DRIVEWAY TO BE ALLOWED WEST OF THE MULTIFAMILY BLDG
Docket No. 13120041 V ZO CHPTR 20G.05.01.H(2)(A) - FOR ANY BLDG FACING A STREET,
THEY WANT TO PERMIT FIBER CEMENT SIDING/PANELING, IN
ADDITION TO BRICK AND STONE.
Docket No. 13120042 V ZO CHPTR 20G.05.01.H(2)(E) - ENTRANCE TO BE RECESSED FROM
FRONT WALL OF BLDG FACADE; PETITIONER WANTS TO
PERMIT A MULTIFMAILY BUILDING WITH ENTRANCES IN REAR
OF BLDG.
Docket No. 13120043 V ZO CHPTR 20G.05.01.H.2.F - FINISHED FIRST FLOOR LEVEL
SHALL BE 2-6 FT ABOVE SIDEWALK LEVEL. PETITIONER WANTS
TO PERMIT A MULTIFAMILY BLDG WITH PARKING ON THE
GROUND LEVEL, AND WITH UNITS ABOVE.
Docket No. 13120044 V ZO CHPTR 33.05.E(2)(B) - PARKING LOT INTERIOR PLANTINGS -
MINIMUM 1 SHADE TREE AND 5 SHRUBS FOR EVERY10
PARKING SPACES; 115 SHRUBS REQ'D PER LANDSCAPE PLAN.
PETITIONER WANTS ONLY TO PERMIT 59 SHRUBS PER
LANDSCAPE PLAN.
The site is zoned OM/SFA (Old Meridian District, Single Family Attached) & OM/MU (Old Meridian District,
Mixed Use. It is located at 12960 Old Meridian St., at Main St. Filed by Paul Reis of Krieg Devault, LLP on
behalf of Keystone Realty Group, LLC.
Ross Nixon with American Structurepoint, Brandon Bogan with CSO Architects, and David Pomader with
Keystone Development presented on behalf of the petitioner. Mr. Nixon said the site is at the southwest corner
of Main Street and Old Meridian Street. This project will be a mixed use development with retail, multi-
family, and a garage, along with an amenity and recreation area, and parking to the south of the building. Mr.
Nixon said there will be drive connections to both West Main Street, as well as Old Meridian Street. The site
area is 5.3 acres with 204 units. Mr. Nixon said utilities services surround the site on two sides.
Mr. Bogan said this will be a five-story building with parking on the east side of the first level, and retail on the
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west side of the first level. Above this, floors 2-5 will be residential will approximately 204 units. There will
also be an amenity center on the far west end of the building, which will serve the residents. Mr. Nixon said
the developers understand there will be improvements to West Main Street in the future, and they have an
agreement in place with the Carmel Redevelopment Commission, who will be responsible for the streetscape
portion of the project. For that reason, the streetscape portion of the project, which includes bike trails,
sidewalks, and landscaping, is not detailed on these drawings. The CRC and City of Carmel will be
responsible for designing what this streetscape will be at a later time. Mr. Nixon said the Keystone portion of
the project will only include tying into the existing roadway, and will try to minimize the work done in the
right-of-way, knowing these improvements are coming at a later time.
Greg Hoyes – Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office
- Comment letter sent. This project does not fall in one of Hamilton County’s watersheds, so the developer
will need to work with the City of Carmel on stormwater.
Joanie Clark – Vectren Energy
- Letter sent. Asked when this project would be starting. Mr. Bogan said the goal is for the project to start
in the late spring.
Nick Redden – City of Carmel Engineering Department
- Project is still being reviewed. Comments will be sent as soon as possible.
David Lucas – Hamilton County Highway Department
- This is outside HCHD’s jurisdiction. No comments.
Shirley Hunter – Duke Energy
- AutoCAD file will be required. Also, a service request will need to be completed, along with a breakdown
of each type of apartment unit, such as square footage and number of bedrooms.
Teresa Lewis – City of Carmel Utilities
- If this will be mixed-use retail and commercial, the developer will need to comply with the grease
interceptor standards.
Chris Ellison – Carmel Fire Department
- Drawings have been received. Mr. Ellison asked for the total square footage of this project. Mr. Bogan
said the project is approximately 250,000 square feet, on 1.1 acres. Mr. Bogan said this project will have a
3-hour fire separation at the garage, with wood construction above that. Mr. Ellison said he will need this
information to complete hydrant placement on the plans. Mr. Ellison asked if the structure, on floors 2-5,
will have continuous hallways that connect one stairwell to the other. Mr. Bogan said there are in fact
continuous hallways, but there are fire separations put in place to break up the square footages. Mr. Bogan
added that the fire department entry would most likely be the far west end of the building, which would
probably be the easiest access point. Mr. Ellison asked what type of ventilation would be found in the
parking area. Mr. Bogan responded that this area will contain natural ventilation. Mr. Ellison asked that
when final plans are submitted, that the designer indicates the type of fire suppression equipment that will
be used in the building.
Daren Mindham – City of Carmel Urban Forestry
- No comments.
David Littlejohn – City of Carmel Alternative Transportation
- Letter sent. No further comments.
Angie Conn – City of Carmel Planning & Zoning
- Comments will hopefully be sent by Friday January 17 for the DP/ADLS.
Alexia Donahue-Wold – City of Carmel Planning & Zoning
- Asked if there is a timeline for when the CRC will submit designs for the streetscape, and also if there is a
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letter from the CRC indicating that this part of the project will be their responsibility. Mr. Bogan said there
is a formal agreement between the CRC and Keystone from when the property was transferred, as this
agreement transpired when Sophia Square and the VFW projects were taking place.
9:30 a.m. Docket No. 13120023 DP Amend/ADLS Amend: Fidelity Keystone Office Park, Phase 2 (Bead Palace).
The applicant seeks site plan and design approval for a 3-story office building, parking area, and detention pond.
The site is zoned B-8/Business and is located at 580 E. Carmel Dr. Filed by Jamie Shinneman of Weihe
Engineers, on behalf of Himan Garg, land owner.
Brad Schoeff of Weihe Engineering and Paul Ewer of Quantum Architecture presented on behalf of the
petitioner. Mr. Schoeff said the actual name of this project is “580 Carmel”. The project is a 3-story building
just west of Keystone Avenue on Carmel Drive. Mr. Schoeff said this will be tucked behind existing
infrastructure that exists along the north side of Carmel Drive. This lot is the only empty lot remaining on this
business corridor. Mr. Schoeff said the adjoining property to the east is owned by a gentleman named Yeager,
who finds the project acceptable. Mr. Schoeff said have met with the owner several times regarding the project,
since they share infrastructure with him.
Greg Hoyes – Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office
- Drainage looks fine. The project will require an outlet permit.
Joanie Clark – Vectren Energy
- An AutoCAD file will be required. Ms. Clark asked the timeline for this project. Mr. Ewer said this
project would take place this summer and the developer would like to break ground as soon as possible.
Nick Redden – City of Carmel Engineering Department
- Project is still being reviewed. Comments will be sent as soon as possible.
David Lucas – Hamilton County Highway Department
- This project is outside of HCHD’s jurisdiction.
Shirley Hunter – Duke Energy
- Duke has not received any plans for this project. Developer will need to provide an AutoCAD file as well
as load information for the building. Ms. Hunter said she assumes this project will require three-phase
service. Mr. Ewer said this project will indeed require three-phase service. Ms. Hunter said if this is the
property just to the east of The Fountains, Duke does have equipment in this area. Mr. Schoeff said in the
northwest corner, there are transformers for telephone and electric, and in the southwest corner, all of the
services are on the property owner’s side. Ms. Hunter said the service at the southwest corner of the
property is only one phase, so this one will not work.
Chris Ellison – Carmel Fire Department
- Mr. Ellison asked for the square footage of the project. Mr. Ewer said this project will be just under
24,000 square feet, or about 8,000 square feet per floor. Mr. Ewer added that there will eventually be a
second phase that will be almost identical in size, and will be attached to this building in an “L” shape. Mr.
Ellison asked if the fire suppression system will be designed to handle this load or if the system will be
added on to the current building. Mr. Ewer said he will check on this. Mr. Ellison said he would like to see
a fire hydrant installed in the parking island in the far southwest corner of the parking lot, since the water
main runs adjacent to this location.
Daren Mindham – City of Carmel Urban Forestry
- Comments sent. The main comment was to provide a bufferyard on the west side of the property.
David Littlejohn – City of Carmel Alternative Transportation
- Letter sent. No further comments at this time.
Angie Conn – City of Carmel Planning & Zoning
- Comments will hopefully be sent by Friday, January 17.
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Alexia Donahue-Wold – City of Carmel Planning & Zoning
- Ms. Donahue-Wold said she would be able to help with any variances that are requested. Mr. Schoeff said
they have encountered a situation with the landscaping where they are trying to plan the project based on
the original concept plan for the Yeager property. Mr. Schoeff said he hopes a variance will not be
required.
9:40 a.m. Docket No. 13120020 Z: Bear Creek PUD Rezone with Primary Plat.
The applicant seeks approval to rezone 71.63 acres from S-1/Residence to PUD/Planned Unit Development.
The applicant also seeks primary plat approval for 93 lots with Common Area. The site is located at the
southeast corner of 146th St. and Little Eagle Creek Ave., at approximately 14501 Little Eagle Creek Ave.
Filed by Timothy Ochs of Ice Miller LLP, on behalf of Pulte Homes of Indiana LLC.
Tim Ochs with Ice Miller and Alan Rosenwinkel with Williams Creek Consulting presented on behalf of the
petitioner.
Greg Hoyes – Hamilton County Surveyor’s Office
- Comment letter sent. There are no major concerns with the PUD, but the flood study will need to be
extended across the northeast corner of the property.
Joanie Clark – Vectren Energy
- When developer comes back for construction, and AutoCAD file will need to be provided. Mr. Ochs said
the goal would be to commence construction in the second or third quarter of 2014. Ms. Clark added that
gas service is approximately 3,000 feet away from the property so the gas connection will need to be
examined.
Nick Redden – City of Carmel Engineering Department
- No comments regarding the rezone. Department has not had a chance to review the PUD ordinance but
they will review as soon as possible and submit comments to the developer.
David Lucas – Hamilton County Highway Department
- There are some issues with the rezone. Mr. Lucas said regarding the rezone, where it says “no right-of-
way will be dedicated, the department has had issues in the past with subdivisions such as Overbrook
Farms, and Mr. Lucas feels thoroughfare right-of-way is required. The requirement for thoroughfare plans
would be 85-feet within 500-feet of the intersection of Little Eagle Creek going east, and 75-feet beyond
that with a corner cut and 2 35-foot lanes at the intersection of Little Eagle Creek and 146th Street. Mr.
Lucas said the remaining right-of-way needed for the project would be for HCHD to negotiate with the
developer. Mr. Lucas asked what is planned for the area to the northeast of the development, and if it will
remain as green space. Mr. Rosenwinkel said at this time the plan is to leave this area alone. Mr. Lucas
said that section of 146th Street is the last section to be built so the County is still early in the design phase,
and drainage is being worked on for this area.
Mr. Lucas said there is the potential that the County would need some mitigation area, and the department
would need to see the plan for this area in the future. Mr. Lucas said he would like to bring up the
possibility that the County may potentially approach the developer for drainage and mitigation. The
last issue to discuss was regarding the frontage road. Mr. Lucas said the expectation is, as was the case
when the County worked with Overbrook Farms, that the frontage road would continue with the
development to the west. The issue with this would be the intersection with Little Eagle Creek, in that the
developer would need to move this far enough south as to not affect the intersection of 146th Street.
Mr. Lucas said the County would be open to looking at different designs for this, and said it would not
necessarily need to look like Towne Road and Ditch Road. Mr. Lucas said the bottom line is there would
probably need to be a frontage road along 146th Street.
Shirley Hunter – Duke Energy
- This project is in Boone County’s jurisdiction. Contact information was given to the petitioner.
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Daren Mindham – City of Carmel Urban Forestry
- Letter sent. No further comments.
David Littlejohn – City of Carmel Alternative Transportation
- Letter sent. No further comments.
Angie Conn – City of Carmel Planning & Zoning
- Comment letter should be sent by January 17th.
Alexia Donahue-Wold – City of Carmel Planning & Zoning
- No comments.